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>> CATHY: IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL LEARN ABOUT WORLD EXPOS AND T.H.C.

EDIBLES.

AND WE'LL HAVE A LIVE DEBATE IN STUDIO WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY.

PLUS, MARY LAHAMMER BRINGS US SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM A CONGRESSIONAL DEBATE.

>> Mary: E'LL TAKE YOU DOWN TO MANKATO FOR A DEBATE IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, FEATURING A REMATCH OF THE CANDIDATES WHO JUST FACED OFF MONTH AGO IN A SPECIAL ELECTION.

>> >> ONE OF MY GOALS IN RUNNING IS TO BE A LESS PARTISAN PERSON.

>> THE POLITICS OF PUNCHING EACH OTHER IN THE FACE VERBALLY IS NOT THE WAY TO GOVERN.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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ONE GREATER MINNESOTA REPORTING ON "ALMANAC" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY THE OTTO BREMER TRUST, WHOSE MISSION IS INVESTING IN PEOPLE, PLACES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR REGION.

ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IS PROVIDED BY THE BLANDIN FOUNDATION, WORKING TO STRENGHTEN RURAL MINNESOTA.

>> CATHY: LATER IN THE HOUR, WE'LL LOOK AT WORLD EXPOS AND BRING YOU A LIVE DEBATE WITH THE TWO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY.

BUT FIRST UP, HERO PAY CHECKS.

>> ERIC: AFTER MONTHS OF LEGISLATIVE DEBATE AND AN APPLICATION WINNOWING PROCESS, CHECKS TO MINNESOTA'S COVID HERO WORKERS STARTED ARRIVING THIS WEEK.

HERE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT ALL WORKS, MINNESOTA'S CURRENT COMMISSIONER OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY, NICOLE BLISSENBACH.

COMMISSIONER, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

HOW DO YOU VET $1.2 -- 1.2 MILLION APPLICATIONS.

>> VERY TIME-CONSUMING AND VERY CAREFULLY.

IT WAS A VERY BIG PROGRAM BUT WE'RE ONORED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AND INDUSTRY TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF IT.

>> Cathy: HOW FRAUD-PROOF WAS THE PROCESS, DO YOU THINK?

>> FRAUD WAS TOP OF MIND THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

WE HAD A LOT OF FRAUD PREVENTION STRATEGIES THAT WE INCORPORATED THROUGHOUT THE VERIFICATION CHECKS.

AS THE APPLICATIONS CAME IN AND THROUGHOUT THE APPEALS PROCESS, AS WELL.

>> Eric: THE EARLY PREDICTIONS WERE SOMETHING LIKE 660,000 APPLICANTS THAT WOULD GET THE MONEY AND OF COURSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIGGER CHECK.

WHAT DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE MILLION OR SO THAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP BEING THE NUMBER?

>> YEAH, I THINK WHAT IT DOES REINFORCE IS JUST HOW MANY THE SHEER NUMBER OF WORKERS THAT WERE ON THE FRONT LINES THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC.

IT WAS THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA LAID OUT IN THE LEGISLATION WAS REALLY HARD TO PREDICT, SO A LONGER TIMEFRAME, IT WAS THE ENTIRE PEACETIME EMERGENCY AND SOME OF THE THINGS, LIKE ABLE TO WORK AT HOME, YOU KNOW, IN-PERSON, CLOSE PROXIMITY ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T HAVE DATA ON SO JUST SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE REALLY OUT THERE WORKING DURING THAT PEACETIME EMERGENCY, DOING THE WORK THAT NEEDED TO KEEP MINNESOTA RUNNING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THOSE PEOPLE.

>> Cathy: WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COLLECTION, WHICH INDUSTRIES WERE MOST REPRESENTED IN THE NUMBER OF CHECKS THAT WENT OUT?

>> YES, SO I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS BUT HEALTH CARE WAS A BIG INDUSTRY THROUGHOUT, RETAIL, AND THEN FOOD, GROCERY, FOOD PROCESSING WERE ALL AREAS THAT WERE -- WE SAW HIGH APPLICATIONS IN.

WE WILL BE DOING A FULL REPORT THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO THE LEGISLATURE AFTER WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE MONEY OUT TO EVERYBODY AND DO A FULL LOOK AT THE PROGRAM AND WRITE THAT UP.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU STILL SENDING CHECKS OUT?

>> SO, IT -- I KNOW IT'S EASY TO SAY CHECKS, IT'S BEEN ACH DEPOSITS AND PRE-PAID DEBIT CARDS.

WE HAVE HAD ALMOST A MILLION SUCCESSFUL TRANSFERS ALREADY HAPPEN.

WE DID HAVE SOME COME BACK SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO UPDATE THEIR BANK ACCOUNT INFORMATION, THAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT WEEK.

>> Eric: THERE HAVE BEEN SOME POLITICAL PUSHBACK THAT THIS -- THESE CHECKS ARRIVED, WHAT, THREE WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION.

WAS THERE A POLITICAL COMPONENT TO WHERE YOU HAD TO WIND YOUR WAY OR... >> YOU KNOW, IF I COULD HAVE CONTROLLED THE TIMING, THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LOT SOONER THAN IT DID.

THIS HAS BEEN TWO YEARS IN THE MAKING, REALLY.

THE FRONT-LINE WORKER PAY WORKING GROUP MET PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRETY OF LAST SUMMER TO TRY TO COME TO A COMPROMISE AND WE DIDN'T GET THERE SO THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WHEN IT WAS AGREED UPON AND THE $500 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED TO THE PROGRAM AND WE WERE GIVEN THE GO-AHEAD TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM, WE TOOK IT AND RAN WITH IT, WE KNEW WE WANTED TO GET THE MONEY OUT AS QUICK AS OSSIBLE AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT IN ABOUT FIVE MONTHS.

>> Cathy: WHAT WERE SOME OF THE BIGELOW GIST PARTICULAR CALL CHALLENGES FOR YOU?

>> REALLY, THE TIMING.

WE KNEW WE WANTED THE MONEY OUT TO PEOPLE SO THE LEGISLATION HAD A 45-DAY APPLICATION PERIOD.

WE KNEW WE HAD TO DO THAT.

HAD 15' DAY APPEAL PERIOD, WE KNEW WE HAD TO COMPLY WITH THOSE TIMELINES SO JUST MAKING SURE WE BUILT A YSTEM THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BUILD IN ALL THE VERIFICATION CHECKS BUT NOT CREATE TOO MANY OBSTACLES FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY, SO WE COULD GET THEM THEIR MONEY.

>> Eric: WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING IT DONE.

APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

>> THANK YOU.

WE'RE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRAM.

>> Eric: THANKS VERY MUCH.

>> Cathy: THANKS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ERIC: THE WORLD'S FAIR USED TO BE A BIG DEAL, AND MINNESOTA IS TRYING TO LAND THE ENORMOUS EVENT NOW KNOWN AS THE WORLD EXPO.

AS MARY LAHAMMER SHOWS US, AN INTERNATIONAL DELEGATION FINISHED THE WEEK IN D.C. AFTER MANY DAYS EXPLORING AMERICA'S BID CENTERED HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES.

>> Mary: THE WORLD EXPO BUS AND ENTOURAGE OUTSIDE THE MINNESOTA STATE CAPITOL SIGNALED SOMETHING BIG IS UNDERWAY.

>> WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS, WE'VE SHOWN THAT MINNESOTA IS EXPO READY, MINNESOTA HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS.

>> Mary: A TEN-YEAR, BIPARTISAN EFFORT BY MINNESOTA SUPPORTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS WHERE EVERY SINGLE MEMBER, EVERY MEMBER OF HE FEDERAL DELEGATION WELCOMED THIS EXPO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SIGNED ON.

SENATOR KLOBUCHAR TOLD THE DIGNITARIES OUR STATE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD PRINTS BOB DYLAN POST-IT NOTES, PACE MAKERS, HAZELDEN TREATMENT AND I THE MAYO CLINIC AND NOW THEY HOPE A WORLD EXPO IN 2027.

>> IT'S NOW KNOWN AS THE WORLD EXPO AND IN THE U.S., WE USED TO CALL IT THE WORLD'S FAIR.

>> YOU'VE GOT THE HALF DOZEN BEST AMERICAN MURAL PAINTERS FROM THE TURN OF THE SCENT RE.

>> Mary: JAW-DROPPER BY THE WAY, THAT REALLY IS.

>> THIS IS BIG, THIS IS BIG.

>> Mary: DURING THE RESTORATION OF THE MINNESOTA STATE CAPITOL, WE LEARNED HOW THE BUILDING'S ART WORK WAS INSPIRED BY THE CHICAGO WORLD'S FAIR IN 1893 SO AS THE CURRENT DELEGATION TOURED THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE, THEY LEARNED FROM OUR DOCUMENTARY, THE CONNECTION TO THE PAST.

>> THIS IS THE URN OF THE CENTURY, THIS IS ALLEGORICAL STUFF.

>> Mary: THE HOME WORLD EXPO COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAY IT WILL COST ABOUT $1.5 BILLION TO PREPARE THE STATE TO HOST THE EVENT BUT IT WILL BRING IN $2.5 BILLION.

>> THIS WILL RESULT IN NET ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO OUR STATE, OUR REGION AND THE UNITED STATES.

>> Mary: THE SECRETARY GENERAL SAID CITIZENS BUILD THE SOUL OF AN EXPO AND WITH MINNESOTA'S HISTORY, LEADING THE WORLD IN HEALTH CARE, AND LEADING THE NATION IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT, ORGANIZERS SAY WE ARE WELL-SUITED FOR AN EVENT THAT COULD BRING 14 MILLION PEOPLE TO THE AREA.

>> WE HAVE SEEN A LOCAL STATE AND WE'RE SEEING THE FEDERAL SUPPORT RIGHT HERE IN MINNESOTA, AND THIS IS WHAT BRINGS TOGETHER A PROJECT TO MAKE A GREAT EXPO.

IT'S CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HOST SUCH A SUCCESSFUL EVENT.

>> IT'S MORE IMPORTANT NOW THAN EVER THAT WE HOLD THESE, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND COMMON GROUND AND A PLACE TO JOIN TOGETHER AND AGAIN, AS ALL THE SPEAKERS SAID, HEALTHY PEOPLE, HEALTHY PLANET, THAT'S THE AIR WE BREATH.

♪♪ >> CATHY: LAST MONTH, MINNEAPOLIS NAMED A NEW POLICE CHIEF, AND ST. PAUL ISN'T FAR BEHIND.

YESTERDAY WAS THE FINAL PUBLIC FORUM WHERE CITIZENS COULD MEET THE FIVE FINALISTS FOR CHIEF OF THE CAPITAL CITY POLICE FORCE.

FOUR OF THE FIVE FINALISTS CURRENTLY WORK FOR THE ST. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE CITY HASN'T HIRED AN OUTSIDER FOR THE JOB SINCE FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT WAS PRESIDENT.

HERE TO FILL US IN ON THE PROCESS, ST. PAUL PIONEER PRESS REPORTER MARA GOTTFRIED.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YA.

WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: WHEN YOU ATTENDED THE FORUMS, WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT FOLKS HAD?

WHAT WERE THEY ASKING?

>> YEAH, SO ATTENDED AND COVERED THE FORUM THAT WAS ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

THERE WERE ABOUT -- I COUNTED ABOUT 80 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.

MOST OF THE QUESTIONS, THE INITIAL QUESTIONS WERE ASKED BY THE MAYOR AND HIS STAFF AND THEN THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY AUDIENCE MEMBERS, AS WELL.

BUT I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE THEMES WERE ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, ABOUT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, AND RECRUITMENT AND RETENSION OF OFFICERS WAS ALSO A BIG THING.

>> Eric: THAT RETENTION OF THE OFFICERS, MARA, MUST BE SOMETHING THAT IS PERVASIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROFESSION.

YOU HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME, FINDING OFFICERS AND THEN KEEPING THEM IN THE FOLD.

DID THEY HAVE NY SOLUTIONS TO THAT OR... >> I THINK THEY HAD VARYING APPROACHES.

THERE ARE SOME -- St. PAUL HAS SOME FEEDER PROGRAMS AND SOME OF THE FINALISTS TALKED ABOUT ENCOURAGING THAT KIND OF WORK TO GET OFFICER IN.

>> Cathy: WHAT HAS MAYOR CARTER -- HAS HE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT WHAT HE'S LOOKING FOR IN A POLICE CHIEF?

>> HE HASN'T SAID WHETHER HE'S LOOKING FOR AN OUTSIDER OR AN INSIDER.

HE HAS SAID THAT THE IVE FINALISTS THAT HE HAS A DIFFICULT CHOICE AHEAD OF HIM.

>> Cathy: UH-HUH.

I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OUTSIDER, WHAT O WE KNOW ABOUT THAT PERSON?

>> YEAH, SO THAT'S JACQUELINE BAILEY DAVIS, SHE'S A PHILADELPHIA POLICE STAFF INSPECTOR, AND SHE HAS, AS ALL THE FINALISTS DO, THEY ALL CAME UP THROUGH THE RANKS IN THE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.

>> Cathy: SO THE ONE OUTSIDER BUT IT DOESN'T COME AS A BIG SURPRISE, RIGHT, THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ON THE LIST OF FINALISTS?

>> RIGHT, THERE'S USUALLY -- I THINK LAST TIME AROUND, SIX YEARS AGO, THERE WAS ONE OUTSIDE FINANCIALIST, AS WELL, SO SOMETIMES THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO OUTSIDE PEOPLE BUT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY HAVE NOT HIRED SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE FOR DECADES.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE SENSE OF THE NEED FOR A NEW DIRECTION IN St. PAUL POLICE?

THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE THE VISIBILITY AND THE VISIBLE PROBLEMS THAT MINNEAPOLIS POLICE HAVE.

WHAT WOULD YOUR SENSE -- DO THREE NEED A NEW DIRECTION OR... >> WELL, THOSE -- THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UMM AT THE FORUM THAT I ATTENDED, AS WELL, SO THE PHILADELPHIA INSPECTOR POSITIONED HERSELF AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD BRING ABOUT CHANGE AND THE INTERNAL CANDIDATES TALKED ABOUT St. PAUL'S TRADITION OF WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY DID NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS MAJOR CHANGE AGENTS BUT KEEPING THINGS ALONG THE SAME PATH.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU CONTRAST MINNEAPOLIS AND St. PAUL FOR OUR VIEWERS?

I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE IS -- SO MANY OUTSTATE VIEWERS, AS ERIC SAID, MINNEAPOLIS HAS THIS REPUTATION, St. PAUL SEEMS TO BE MUCH QUIETER, IS IT HOW IT'S RUN OR WHAT?

>> WELL, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING TO THAT POINT, ONE OF THE FINALISTS -- ONE OF THE INTERNAL FINALISTS HAD POINTED OUT THAT St. PAUL, SHE DESCRIBED St. PAUL AS LONG BEING FORWARD-THINKING, SHE GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF THE St. LOUIS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND NAACP IN St. PAUL HAVING AN AGREEMENT THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR 21 YEARS ABOUT EQUITABLE POLICING.

THERE WAS RECENTLY AN UPDATE SIGNED TO THAT AGREEMENT BUT SHE USED THAT S AN EXAMPLE OF -- SHE SAID THAT WAS COMMANDER PAMELA BERGEN, SHE SAID IT'S 21 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS CONVERSATION OF WHAT IS AND ISN'T WORKING SO SHE USED THAT TO UNDERCORE NOT THE DIFFERENCE, NECESSARILY, IN MINNEAPOLIS BUT JUST WHAT THE SITUATION IN St. PAUL IS.

>> ric: WHAT'S THE TIMELINE IN THE PROCESS NOW MOVING FORWARD?

>> SO, MAYOR MELVIN CARTER, THE St. PAUL MAYOR, IS IN THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING THE FINALISTS.

HIS PRESS SECRETARY TELLS ME THAT HE EXPECTS TO NAME HIS CHOICE IN EARLY NOVEMBER, AT THE LATEST, AND THEN THE APPOINTMENT IS SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

>> Cathy: RIGHT.

>> ric: SO WHEN MIGHT THE NEW PERSON BE IN PLACE, THE END OF THE YEAR, I SUPPOSE, OR... >> YES, I THINK BY THE INDEPENDENT OF THE YEAR.

>> Cathy: IS THERE A GUT FEEL AMONG ANYONE, IS THERE A FRONT-RUNNER?

>> THAT'S HARD TO SAY, I THINK IT DEPENDS WHO YOU TALK TO.

IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW, ESPECIALLY THE INTERNAL CANDIDATES KNOW THEM AND MIGHT BE ROOTING FOR THEIR FAVORITE.

>> Cathy: I MEAN, AS A LONG-TIME REPORTER AND YOU DO A GREAT JOB ON YOUR BEAT, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT GOOD SOURCES IN THE St. PAUL POLICE DEPARTMENT.

CAN YOU SHARE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE RANK AND FILE ARE THINKING ABOUT?

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY.

I MEAN, IT DEPENDS WHO YOU TALK TO, IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN ON THE JOB FOR LONGER OR NEWER PERSON.

>> Eric: MARA, GREAT TO HAVE YOU OVER AND YOU CAN SEE YOUR STUFF AN TWICE.COM, RIGHT?

>> YES, THANK YOU.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

>> CATHY: EARLIER THIS YEAR, LAWMAKERS TOOK A STEP TOWARDS CANNABIS LEGALIZATION IN THE STATE.

THE APPROVED EDIBLES MADE FROM THC, AS LONG AS IT CAME FROM HEMP, WHICH IS FEDERALLY LEGAL.

THC IS THE CHEMICAL THAT CAN GIVE YOU THAT "HIGH" FEELING.

BOTH MARIJUANA AND HEMP COME FROM CANNABIS, CONTAIN THC, AND ARE GENETICALLY SIMILAR.

MANY EXPECT LAWMAKERS TO REIN IN THE INDUSTRY IN THE NEXT SESSION.

ONE GREATER MINNESOTA REPORTER KAOMI LEE TAKES A LOOK.

>> IN THE WANING DAYS OF THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, A BIPARTISAN COMMITTEE APPROVED AN ITEM IN THE LARGE OMNIBUS BILL.

IT SENT SHOCK WAVES ACROSS THE STATE.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[Chorus of ayes].

AYE.

>> THAT DOESN'T LEGALIZE MARIJUANA, WE DIDN'T JUST DO THAT, DID WE?

>> OH, ARE YOU KIDDING?

OF COURSE YOU HAVE.

>> IT'S ALL IN THE FINE PRINT.

>> JUST KIDDING.

NEXT, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT, OKAY?

>> AND WITH THAT, STATE LAWMAKERS LEGALIZED HEMP-DERIVED THC, AN INTOXICATING CHEMICAL FOUND IN CANNABIS.

AS OF JULY 1, THE NEW LAW ALLOWS FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGES WITH UP TO FIVE MILLIGRAMS OF THC PRESERVING AND 50 MILLION GAMES PER PACKAGE.

IT'S THE FIRST STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO DO SO, AND IT'S ALREADY UPUPENDED THE STATE'S BURGEONING CANNABIS INDUSTRY.

I-A FUN SEE WHEN THEY SAY DON'T TELL MY CHILDREN BUT THE STIGMA IS THERE UT SLOWLY, IT'S GETTING BROKEN DOWN.

>> Reporter: THIS RETIRED NURSE OPENED HER GRAND RAPIDS SORT SELLING CBD PRODUCTS THREE YEARS AGO, SHE WANTED TO HELP WITH CONDITIONS LIKE CHRONIC PAIN.

NOW MOST OF HER BUSINESS COMES FROM SELLING THE NEWLY LEGALIZED GUM' HE HADDIBLES, ALSO CALLED DELTA 9.

>> I GIVE OUT A LOT OF SAMPLES, A LOT OF SAMPLES TO PEOPLE.

BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, IF YOU DON'T TRY IT, YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S A BAD THING IF YOU HAVE NOT TRIED IT.

EACH GUMEE LOOKS LIKE THAT.

>> UNDER THE YEAR, YOU CAN'T SELL TO ANYONE UNDER 21 AND PACKAGES NEED TO BE CHILD-PROOF AND NOT MARKETED TO THEM.

BUT APART FROM THAT, THERE ARE FEW OTHER RULES.

SHE DOESN'T NEED A LICENSE, NOR DOES HER SUPPLIER.

>> IT IS THE WILD, WILD WEST AND IT'S DEFINITELY A BUYER BEWARE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO FIND A STORE, A COMPANY THAT YOU REALLY TRUST.

>> Reporter: SHE BUYS FROM YOUR HOMETOWN HEMP COMPANY IN BLACK DUCK, LIKE GROWERS AROUND THE STATE, IT RACED TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE'S NEW THC HE HADDIBLES MARKET.

>> IT HAS TO BE DERIVED FROM A CAN CANNABIS PLANT THAT HAS LESS THAN .3% HC.

THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HEMP AND MARIJUANA.

>> Reporter: HIS COMPANY IS NOW CHURNING OUT 70,000 THC GUMMIES, OR 7,000 PACKAGES A WEEK.

THEY HAD PRODUCT ON THE SHELVES A MONTH AFTER THE LAW TOOK EFFECT AND HE SAYS RESPONSE WAS OVERWHELMING.

THEY'RE NOW ON TRACK TO GROSS HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON GUMMIES A YEAR ALONE BUT HE SAYS IT'S MORE THAN AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> I SAW THE USEFULNESS IN IT, MYSELF, I'M A DIABETIC, I HAD ISSUES WITH CANNABIS AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING HAT HELPED ME.

IN MY EARLY 20s, I STARTED USING IT DAILY FOR THE MEDICINAL BENEFITS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ITS OWN VOICE BUT IT NEEDS ONE.

>> Reporter: THE FARM BILL OF 2018 MADE HEMP FEDERALLY LEGAL BUT THE FDA HAS NOT APPROVED CANNABINOIDS, LIKE CBD OR THC, IN FOOD OR BEVERAGES.

HOWEVER, FEDERAL AGENCIES HAVE BACKED OFF WHEN STATES HAVE CANNABIS LAWS.

MINNESOTA'S SUPPORTERS FOR ADULT USE MARIJUANA LEGALIZATION ARE HOPEFUL.

>> THIS IS SORT OF A FORM OF A BABY STEP TOWARDS LEGALIZATION.

I THINK WHAT REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS ARE SEEING IS THAT THEIR CONSTITUENTS LIKE THIS AND THE SKY HASN'T FALLEN.

>> Reporter: HE EXPECTS LEGISLATORS TO COME BACK AND WORK ON REGULATIONS AND ENFORCEMENT IN JANUARY.

SO FAR, ENFORCEMENT WAS LEFT TO THE STATE BOARD OF PHARMACY WITHOUT ANY NEW FUNDING.

>> WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE A CANNABIS CONTROL BOARD, A NEW AGENCY SIMILAR TO OUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA AGENCY THAT REGULATES THAT PROGRAM.

WE NEED SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR HEMP-DERIVED THC PROBLEMS EVEN AT THE VERY MINIMUM AND I THINK REPUBLICANS WOULD AGREE ON THAT.

>> Reporter: BUT REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF CANNABIS WILL NOT COME EASY.

PLANT BIOLOGIST GEORGE WEGLAND HAS BEEN STUDYING THE NECESSITY GET PARTICULARS OF THE PLANT FOR TWO DECADES.

>> WHAT WE'RE FINDING THAT BREEDERS ARE PRODUCING NEW CANNABIS VARIETIES UNLIKE ANYTHING WE'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE AND IT'S THOSE VARIETIES NOW THAT ARE FEEDING INTO SOME OF THESE NEW EMERGING CANNABIS MARKETS.

AND FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S KIND OF A NIGHTMARE.

>> Reporter: AND ALTHOUGH HEMP IS LEGAL, HIS LAB HAS FOUND PRODUCT CLAIMS ON PACKAGING ARE NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE.

>> HERE ISEE ONE THAT I PICKED UP N WISCONSIN.

>> Reporter: THIS LABEL SAYS IT'S NOT MARIJUANA AND HAS LESS THAN .3% THC.

>> YOU LOOK UP THE Q.R.

CODE AND THE RESULT FOR THIS PARTICULAR SAMPLE PRODUCT WAS .4.

SO EVEN BY THE COMPANY'S OWN TEST RESULTS, IT WASN'T WHAT THE LABEL SAID IT WAS.

>> Reporter: OKAY.

AND THIS IS -- >> SO TESTING EXISTS, IT'S JUST CAN YOU TRUST THE LABEL.

>> Reporter: IN FACT, HE SAYS MOST OF THEIR WORK HAS SHOWN HYPO TENNESSEE CBD CANNABIS WAS REALLY A HEMP MARIJUANA HYBRID.

AND ALL THIS COULD PUT LEGALIZATION OF ADULT USE MARIJUANA BACK UP FOR DEBATE NEXT SESSION.

>> DESPITE WHAT THE WEATHER SAYS, IT'S FALL!

THAT SPECIAL TIME IN MINNESOTA WHEN THE SNOW AND LEAVES FALL, REVEALING A CORNUCOPIA OF YARD WORK.

ARE YOU RAKING?

SHOVELING?

SALTING?

ALL OF THE ABOVE!

BECAUSE THE SUMMER SUN HAS FLED TO A BARREN LAND KNOWN AS CALIFORNIA.

NOW, SURE, IT'S A LITTLE COLDER BUT FALL HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST TIME OF YEAR!

FALL HAS THE BEST COLORS, THE BEST SPORTS, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE BEST GOURDS!

OH, MY GOURD-NESS, THERE ARE SO MANY GORGEOUS GROUND-BREAKING GREGARIOUS GOURDS GUIDING GROUPS GALORE THIS FALL!

THESE INCREDIBLE FRUITS ONLY SHOW UP ONE TIME OF YEAR, AND I LOVE IT!

I LOVE THE PUMPKIN.

PUMPKINS ARE ESSENTIALLY THE JOHN LENNON OF GOURDS.

THEY TEND TO STAND IN FRONT AND ARE A LITTLE OVER MENTIONED BUT WHO CAN BLAME THEM?

PUMPKIN SEEDS, PUMPKIN SPICE; HOWEVER YOU SLICE THEM, PUMPKINS ARE DELICIOUS.

ALSO, WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THEM, YOU CAN USE THEM AS DECORATION.

DO YOU REALIZE PUMPKINS ARE THE ONLY FOOD WE TAXIDERMY?

BECAUSE THEY'RE INCREDIBLE!

BUT THERE'S ALSO SQUASH.

IF PUMPKINS ARE JOHN, THEN SQUASH IS THE PAUL MCARTNEY OF GOURDS.

SURE, THEY'RE LESS FLASHY, BUT THEY GET THINGS DONE.

PUT SQUASH IN ANYTHING AND IT JUST COMES OUT BETTER!

AND ISN'T THAT THE AWE-INSPIRING POWER OF GOURDS?

THEY MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER, BE THEY HOLIDAY DISHES, DECORATIONS, AND EVEN THE ONE SEASON WHERE EVERYTHING STARTS TO DIE A LITTLE.

SO PICK UP A GOURD AND HAVE A HAPPY FALL, EVERYONE!

- >> CATHY: WEIMING LU, WHO DIED EARLIER THIS MONTH AT AGE 92, HAD MANY TALENTS.

HE WAS AN URBAN PLANNER FAMED FOR HIS WORK IN DALLAS AND THE TWIN CITIES.

IN DALLAS, HIS WORK HELPED SAVE THE HISTORIC TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY BUILDING.

IN MINNEAPOLIS, HE PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NICOLLET MALL AND BUTLER SQUARE PROJECTS.

BUT MANY CONSIDER HIS CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT THE SENSITIVE RE-IMAGINING OF THE LOWERTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD OF ST. PAUL.

HIS VISION OF MELDING HISTORIC LIVING SPACES AND ARTIST LOFTS, WITH AN URBAN PARK AND FARMER'S MARKET, IS HIS LASTING LEGACY.

WEIMING LU WAS ALSO AN ARTIST WHO WAS SKILLED IN CHINESE CALLIGRAPHY.

A FEW YEARS BACK, WEIMING LU TALKED ABOUT HIS HIS WORK AND ART ON TPT'S MINNESOTA ORIGINAL PROGRAM.

[TRAIN BELLS CHANGING] >> ART HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, AFTER I MOVED TO MINNESOTA, I'VE BEEN ENJOYING SO MUCH THE CREATIVE WILL HERE.

♪ FLUTE MUSIC ♪ THE CHINESE CALIGRAPHY HAS THREE SOLID YEARS OF HISTORY BUT SOMETIMES TOO CONFINED, NOT WILLING TO TRY NEW THINGS.

I GUESS I HAVE - TRIED TO DO IT IN AMERICA, NO ONE CAN STOP ME.

♪ FLUTE MUSIC ♪ I GREW UP IN SHANGHAI, MOVED TO TAIWAN AND THEN FINISHED MY COLLEGE AND COME TO MINNESOTA QUITE EARLY, 1953.

I DID STUDY HERE STRUCTURE ENGINEERING AND GOT MY MASTER.

THEN I DISCOVERED MY CONTINUING INTEREST IN CITY PLANNING BUT I'M ALSO BEEN ENJOYING MY CHINESE CALIGRAPHY.

THOUGH IT WAS WRITTEN BY EMPEROR, BEAUTIFULLY, BUT SADLY RECALLED THE COUNTRY HE LOST ALREADY, SO I WROTE THIS PERSON ARTICLE -- AND NAMED IT RUNNING STAR AS USUAL PRACTICE.

I ENJOY THE STYLE, VERY PICTORIAL.

THIS IS WATER, SO YOU CAN EE, THIS IS CARRIAGES.

CALIGRAPHY IS SOMETHING THAT ARTISTIC TWENTY TO NEED THE SKILL, REALLY, THE CHINESE CALIGRAPHY IS REALLY DEVELOPED FROM THE HEART.

YOUR EXPRESSION, YOUR OWN PORTRAIT, YOUR OWN FEELING, YOUR EMOTION AND PLUS YOUR SKILL, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES YEARS AND DECADES OF HANDLING THE BRUSH, NK, WATER, THE PAPER, TO COME OUT WITH SOMETHING TO SATISFY YOU.

♪♪ >> ERIC: IT'S BEEN A TUMULTUOUS TIME FOR POLITICS IN SOUTHERN MINNESOTA FOLLOWING THE DEATH OF CONGRESSMAN HAGEDORN EARLIER THIS YEAR.

CONTESTED CONVENTIONS, PRIMARIES, A SPECIAL ELECTION AND NOW A REMATCH IN A GENERAL ELECTION JUST MONTHS LATER.

MARY LAHAMMER, WITH THE HELP OF PHOTO JOURNALIST SCOTT TROTMAN, TAKES US TO MANKATO FOR A DEBATE WITH THE LEADING CONTENDERS.

>> Mary: JEFF HE HAD INCH GEAR ARRIVED EARLY TO THE DARK HALL PREPARED.

>> WATCHED THEM FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> HOW ARE YA?

I THOUGHT YOU WERE WITH -- >> THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE.

>> CONGRESSMAN BRAD FINSTAD RECENTLY WON THE SPECIAL ELECTION AGAINST ETTINGER SO HE HAS SOME ADVANTAGES OF INCUMBENCY BUT THIS IS A REMATCH.

[ Applause ] >> HE HAD A 27-YEAR CAREER WITH HORMEL FOOD AND HAD THE CHANCE TO BE THE CO OF THE COMPANY FOR 27 YEARS WHERE I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 20,000 EMPLOYEES AND AN ANNUAL BUDGET OF $10 MILLION.

>> THERE IS A CERTAIN BROTHERHOOD WHEN YOU DECIDE TO RUN FOR SIX ELECTIONS IN SIX MONTHS WHEN NLY THOSE IN IT CAN REALIZE WHAT IT IS.

WE PROUDLY FARM WITH MY BROTHER AND HIS FAMILY AND WE'RE BRINGING IN THAT FIFTH GENERATION OF FARMERS TO RURAL BROWN COUNTY.

>> FINSTAD'S CHALLENGER, ETTINGER JUST RELEASED HIS FIRST TV COMMERCIAL, AND IT FOCUSES ON ABORTION AND HEALTH CARE, LIKE MOST, IT'S INTERESTING IN THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT WHICH IS HOME TO 40,000 HEALTH CARE EMPLOYEES OF THE MAYO CLINIC.

>> FINSTAD WOULD MAKE CRIMINALS OUT OF DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS.

>> Mary: ONE NOTE OF THIS IS THE GENERALLY RESPECTFUL TONE OF THE CANDIDATES IN WHAT HAD BEEN A COMPETITIVE KICKED.

>> ONE OF THE GOALS IN RUNNING IS TO BE A LESS PARTISAN PERSON AND TALKING WITH KJOME DEAN PHILLIPS IN THE CITY WHEN I DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT TO ENTER THE GRACE, HE MENTIONED HE WAS PART OF A GROUP CALLED THE PROBLEM.

SO'S CAUSE CAW.

>> AND TRYING TO HAVE SOUND BITES TO GET ON FOX NEWS OR CNN IS NOT THE WAY TO GOVERN.

>> Mary: BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, THESE TWO ARE DEFINITELY DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN ITH STRONGLY CONTRASTING VIEWS.

>> DO NO HARM.

LESS GOVERNMENT, NOT MORE GOVERNMENT.

THE ANSWERS TO OUR PROBLEMS LIE RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD, RIGHT HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, THE BEST FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS OUR MOST LOCAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

THINGS GET DONE IN THE TOWNSHIPS, THINGS GET DOWN IN OUR COUNTIES, THINGS GET DONE IN OUR CITIES N OUR COMMUNITIES.

THE FURTHER AWAY FROM WE, THE PEOPLE, OUR GOVERNMENT GETS, THE LESS INFORMED, THE LESS EDUCATED AND THE LESS IMPACTFUL WE CAN BE.

>> ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE PARTICIPANTS IN MAKING OUR SOCIETY BETTER.

NO, SIR OF THE SENIORS I TALK TO ARE APPRECIATIVE THAT WE HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY PROGRAM THAT IS NOT AIL COUNTY-BASED PROGRAM OR A STATE-BASED PROGRAM OR THAT MEDICARE IS AVAILABLE ON A NATIONAL BASIS.

>> Mary: THIS PSYCHIATRIC IS AG AND FOOD COUNTRY SO THOSE FISHES ARE PROMINENT.

>> I DON'T HAVE BRAD'S BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF FARM PRODUCTION, LEARLY, AS A MULTI-GENERATION FARMER, THAT'S AN AREA HE KNOWS FAR BETTER THAN I DO.

I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE, MAYBE MORE THAN BRAD, IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AG EQUATION, WHICH IS OUT TO CONSUMERS.

FORMER CONGRESSMAN Mr. HAGEDORN USED TO SAY, IN AGRICULTURE, YOU NEED TO GET BIG OR GET OUT AND I JUST REJECT THAT.

I THINK WE NEED SCALE PLAYERS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONSUMERS WHO ARE ABSOLUTELY INTERESTED IN THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE BUT I ALSO KNOW FROM MY TIME AT HORMEL, THERE'S PLENTY OF CONSUMERS THAT ARE NTERESTED IN NICHES.

>> THANK YOU, JEFF, FOR ADVOCATING FOR MY SMALL FAMILY FARM.

DURING YOUR LEADERSHIP AT HORMEL AND JENNY O, ALWAYS SAW THE LARGEST DECREASE OF FAMILY FARMS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE TURKEY AND HOGG OPERATIONS UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP, SO THAT IS THE FACTS AND THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENED, UNFORTUNATELY.

>> Mary: AND THE AGRICULTURE ECONOMY IS DEPENDENT ON IMMIGRATION AND INCREASED DIVERSITY IN THE REGION.

>> PRESIDENT BUSH WAS IN FAVOR OF COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM AND IT JUST COULDN'T GET DONE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE THING DONE THROUGH THE HOUSE.

SO ULTIMATELY, WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.

>> I THINK 80% OF US, 80% OF US IN THIS COUNTRY, 80% OF US IN THIS ROOM PROBABILITY WOULD AGREE THAT HOW ABOUT A WALL WITH A DOOR AND THAT DOOR GETS OPENED AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS, TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR WORKFORCE.

THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON IMMIGRANTS.

♪♪ >> ERIC: WE RARELY DO DEBATES ON "ALMANAC" FOR CITY OR COUNTY RACES.

AFTER ALL, WE ARE A STATEWIDE PROGRAM.

BUT WE MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR THE RACE FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY.

MIKE FREEMAN IS STEPPING DOWN FROM THE JOB AFTER 16 YEARS, AND TWO CANDIDATES WANT HIS HIGH-PROFILE JOB.

MARY MORIARTY IS THE FORMER CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER OF HENNEPIN COUNTY.

SHE WAS THE TOP VOTE GETTER IN THE AUGUST PRIMARY.

MARTHA HOLTON DIMICK IS A FORMER HENNEPIN COUNTY JUDGE AND PROSECUTOR.

SHE CAME IN SECOND IN THE PRIMARY.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

THANKS FOR DEBATING.

I WANT TO ASK YOU BOTH THIS QUESTION.

I SAW THE RACE CHARACTERIZED, MARY MORIARTY, AS BETWEEN A PROGRESSIVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM PLATFORM AND A TRADITIONAL LAW AND ORDER PLATFORM.

DO YOU SEE IT IN THOSE TERMS?

>> WELL, WHAT I SEE IS THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY HAS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, AND THAT IS IN PART BECAUSE OF THE FAILED POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR DECADES.

WE NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WHAT I BRING TO THIS RACE IS A DATA-BASED APPROACH.

I LOOK AT RESEARCH.

>> athy: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, DATA-BASED APPROACH.

>> LOOKING AT WHAT WORKS.

THE SYSTEM HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR CERTAIN PROSECUTORIAL PRACTICES AND WE KNOW FROM DATA ELSEWHERE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PRACTICES THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS THAT DON'T INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY, AND INCARCERATE A LOT OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE.

SO DATABASE TO ME MEANS KEEPING DATA ON RACE AND GENDER AND MAKING SHARE THAT THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE OFFER AS PROSECUTORS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING, THAT RECIDIVISM ISN'T AS HIGH AS IT IS NOW, BECAUSE RECIDIVISM -- THE RATE AT WHICH PEOPLE COME BACK S ABOUT 30%, WHEN PEOPLE ARE PUT ON PROBATIONS AND IT'S ABOUT 40% WHEN PEOPLE ARE SENT TO PRISON.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS NOT WORKING TO KEEP US SAFE AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT.

>> Cathy: AND HOW WOULD YOU CREEP PEOPLE SAFE AND ET MAKE SOME REFORMS IN THAT OFFICE?

>> WELL, SEE, I'M GLAD WE'RE PUTTING THE FOCUS ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

I'VE HAD PUBLIC SAFETY AS MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY EVER SINCE I GOT INTO THIS RACE IN FEBRUARY.

AND IN AUGUST, WE WERE BOTH INTERVIEWED BY A JOURNALIST FROM THE "ECONOMIST," AND THIS JOURNALIST REQUESTED OR ASKED US WHAT WAS OUR TOP PRIORITY.

AND I KNOW MY OPPONENT SAID HER TOP PRIORITY WAS HOLDING POLICE ACCOUNTABLE AND PROMOTING ALTERNATIVES TO POLICING.

MINE WAS, WE HAVE TO REDUCE VIOLENT CRIMES.

AND SO -- AND I KNOW THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT.

THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT ISSUES.

BUT ONLY ONE IS THE PURVIEW OF THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.

>> IT IS NOT, ACTUALLY.

POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.

POLICE OFFICERS WILL TELL YOU THAT THE WAY THEY SOLVE A LOT OF CRIMES IS BY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.

WE KNOW THAT MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ONLY APPREHENDING ABOUT 10% OF PEOPLE IN CAR-JACKINGS.

WE KNOW FROM AN ARTICLE IN THE REFORMER LAST YEAR THAT ONLY 2 IN TEN PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOT OR WHO DO A SHOOTING ARE CAUGHT BY M.P.D.

WE KNOW THAT THE MURDER CLOSURE RATE IS DOWN IN THE 30s, SO WE KNOW THAT POLICE NEED TRUST IN PEOPLE IN RELATIONSHIPS, SO HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, WHICH I BELIEVE IN, BOTH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND POLICE OFFICERS, WILL HELP WITH THAT TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE US SAFER BECAUSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WILL COOPERATE WITH POLICE OFFICERS.

>> Cathy: CREE BUTTAL.

>> NOW, WE HAVE A SERIOUS CRIME ISSUE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND HENNEPIN COUNTY IN THE LAST YEAR, OKAY?

WE STARTED OUT WITH A 43 HOME SIDES IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS ALONE, AND CONTRARY TO WHAT MY OPPONENT BELIEVES, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD POLICE OFFICERS AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE GOOD PROSECUTION.

I'VE DONE ABOUT PROSECUTION BEFORE, WE CAN DO IT AGAIN.

I DID IT AS THE COMMUNITY PROSECUTOR IN THE 19 -- IN THE LATE 1990s, WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN BRINGING THE CRIME RATE DOWN THEN, WHEN I LEFT THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THERE WERE 7 HOMICIDES IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS, LAST YEAR WE HAD 46.

WE DID IT ONCE BEFORE BY COLLABORATING WITH ALL OF OUR JUSTICE PARTNERS AND WE CAN DO IT AGAIN.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO BRING THAT CRIME RATE DOWN AND GOOD PROSECUTION AND GOOD POLICE WORK WORKED THEN.

>> Cathy: THE CRIME RATE PEOPLE LOOK TO -- YOU MENTIONED CAR-JACKINGS AND THAT GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, OBVIOUSLY.

THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG JUVENILES THAT ARE COMMITTING THIS CRIME, RIGHT?

>> YES.

>> Cathy: COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC AND I WAS TALKING TO A MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICER ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND HE SAID IT'S A REVOLVING DOOR.

>> YEP.

>> Cathy: WHERE THESE IDS COMMIT A CRIME BUT THEY KNOW THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES SO THEY JUST GO BACK OUT ON THE STREETS.

SO MY QUESTION IS HERE, THERE ISN'T A HENNEPIN COUNTY HOME SCHOOL ANYMORE SO HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE REVOLVING DOOR AND YET HELP THESE YOUNG PEOPLE?

>> CAN I JUST -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO START THIS DISCUSSION.

>> >> WELL, I DIDN'T GET TO RESPONDS TO THE PREVIOUS- >> Eric: GO AHEAD.

>> YEAH, BECAUSE I WAS ACCUSED, WHICH IS NOT TRUE OF NOT WANTING TO PROSECUTE VIOLENT CRIME AND I WAS ACCUSED OF NOT WANTING TO HAVE GOOD POLICE WORK.

QUITE THE CONTRARY.

AS HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY, MY JOB IS TO PROSECUTE VIOLENT CRIME AND TO DO THAT WE NEED GOOD POLICE, WOULD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS REPORT, WE HEARD THEIR PROSECUTOR SAYING IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO PROSECUTE VIOLENT CRIME.

>> Eric: THAT'S A CITY ISSUE, NOT A COUNTY ISSUE, RIGHT?

YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER MINNEAPOLIS P.D.

>> I DID NOT HAVE INJURES DEPICTION OVER MINNEAPOLIS P.D.

BUDGET BUT HERE'S WHAT I HAVE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT E HAVEN'T SEEN FROM THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR FROM MY OPPONENT.

AND THAT IS THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FLAGGING VIDEO AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PARTNERING WITH POLICE LEADERSHIP SO THAT PEOPLE -- POLICE OFFICERS ARE BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

AND I'LL TELL YOU A SPECIFIC STORY -- >> Cathy: WE NEED TO GET BACK TO MY QUESTION HERE.

>> COULD YOU REPEAT IT, PLEASE?

>> Cathy: SURE.

TALKING ABOUT JUVENILE CRIME.

>> YES.

>> Cathy: SPECIFICALLY SOME OF THE KIDS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN CAR-JACKINGS.

SO BECAUSE WE'RE COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, SO MUCH UPHEAVAL, THERE'S NO MORE HENNEPIN COUNTY HOME SCHOOL, I'M WONDERING HOW DO YOU CLOSE THIS PERCEIVED REVOLVING DOOR OF ARE YOUNG JUVENILE OFFENDERS WHO KEEP OFFENDING, THINKING THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES.

HOW OH DO YOU CLOSE THAT REVOLVING DOOR YET TRY TO HELP THEM.

>> OKAY.

THE COUNTY HOME SCHOOL CLOSED WITHOUT A PLAN AND THE PROBLEM WITH OUR CHILDREN -- WE ARE FAILING OUR CHILDREN, AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE JUVENILE CRIME AS FAR AS THE CAR-JACKINGS ARE GOING, WE'RE SENDING THE REAL SERIOUS JUVENILE CRIMINALS OUT TO RED WING AND WE'RE SENDING ANOTHER GROUP OUT TO UTAH.

THAT DOESN'T HELP US ADDRESS THE ISSUES WITH THESE CHILDREN, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COLLABORATE BOTH ON THE STATE AND ON THE LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF GETTING A TEMPORARY PLACEMENT FOR THESE CHILDREN WHERE THEY CAN FEEL SAFE, WHERE THE COMMUNITIES CAN FEEL SAFE AND WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THEY STRUGGLE WITH.

THE ISSUES HAT THEY STRUGGLE WITH ARE TRAUMA, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, AND DRUG ADDICTION.

AND SO THIS IS VERY -- IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE GIVING THEM THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THE SITUATION BUT IT HAS TO BE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, NOT OUT IN RED WING, THEIR COMMUNITIES AREN'T IN UTAH OR RED WING.

WE NEED COMMUNITIES WITHIN -- WE NEED HELP AND LOCATIONS AND HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY SO THAT WE CAN NOT ONLY WORK WITH THE CHILDREN AND GET THEM THE RESOURCE THAT IS THEY NEED BUT WE'RE ALSO INCORPORATING THE FAMILY AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY TO REENTER THEM.

>> Eric: OKAY, JUVENILE JUSTICE.

>> UH-HUH.

WE'VE BEEN FAILING OUR YOUTH FOR DECADES.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVING OUR YOUTH THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.

THEY COME TO US WITH TRAUMA, THEY COME WITH US WITH CHEMICAL USE.

>> Eric: WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ADDRESS IT?

>> WHAT I WOULD DO TO ADDRESS IT IS TAKE DIFFERENT APPROACHES.

I WOULD LOOK AT YOUTH FROM AN ADOLESCENTS BRAIN DEVELOPMENT PER PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SCIENCE.

WE KNOW THAT MANY YOUTH AGE OUT BUT WHAT WE THEY WOULD TO DO IS ACTUALLY PROVIDE SERVICES TO YOUTH IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SECURITY.

HENNEPIN COUNTY HAS, FOR YEARS, CENTER KIDS OUT OF STATE AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS CERTIFIED CHILDREN AS ADULTS AND SENT THEM TO ADULT PRISON.

AND THEY COME BACK OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, SO WE ARE NOT SERVING THEM WELL.

WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOUTH WITH TRAUMA-BASED SERVES ATTENTION, WE NEED TO PROVIDE YOUTH WITH SPECIFICALLY TAILORED PROGRAMS WHEN THEY'RE IN A NONVIOLENT CRIMES, WHICH WE ARE NOT DOING NOW, SO THERE IS A LOT WE CAN DO.

I HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I WOULD BE ADVOCATING FOR BETTER CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE PROGRAMS THAT EAL WITH THE ISSUES THAT YOUTH BRING TO US.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING, HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH PROSECUTING AN OFFICER WHO COMMITS A CRIME?

>> THE SAME WAY I WOULD APPROACH ANYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME, ON THE SAME LEVEL, ON THE SAME -- IF THERE IS A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, THEN THAT OFFICER GETS CHARGED JUST AS ANYONE ELSE WOULD.

IT DEPENDS ON THE CRIME, REALLY, ACTUALLY.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET MIXED UP THE FACT THAT WE SOMETIMES CONFLICT SOME OF OUR CASES OUT.

IF WE'VE GOT AN OFFICER WITH A D.W.I.

OR HAS A DOMESTIC ABUSE ISSUE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THAT CASE.

WE'RE GOING TO SEND THAT CASE OUT BUT IF IT COMES TO AN OFFICER THAT AS A SERIOUS MISCONDUCT, AND I HOPE, AND PRAY THERE ISN'T, ANOTHER POLICE SHOOTING, WE'LL KEEP THAT CASE.

WE KNOW HOW TO CHARGE OUR CASES.

WE KNOW THE LAW AND WE KNOW HOW TO -- >> Cathy: YOU WOULDN'T FARM IT OUT TO THE STATE.

NO, NO, I THINK THAT WAS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

I WOULD KEEP THAT CASE AND I WOULD -- I WOULD CHARGE THAT CASE, OR CHARGE OR MAKE THE CHARGING DECISION IN THAT CASE, UT I WOULD WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE.

A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE GET SO WORKED UP AND THEY WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE AN ANSWER RIGHT AWAY AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS COUNTY ATTORNEYS HAVE RUN INTO PROBLEMS.

>> Cathy: HOW WOULD YOU PROSECUTE A POLICE OFFICER, SAY, IF IT WAS A HIGH-PROFILE SHOOTING?

RIGHT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THERE'S SO LITTLE TRUST IN THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THAT THE CHAUVIN CASE HAD TO BE TAKEN AWAY AND GIVEN TO THE A.G. IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF PROSECUTION BY THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

MY OPPONENT TELLS A STORY ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS A PROSECUTOR THERE, THAT A POLICE OFFICER BROUGHT ER A CASE AND WANTED A BLACK MAN CHARGED WITH ASSAULTING THE POLICE OFFICER.

MY OPPONENT SAYS SHE SAW THE BOOKING PHOTO AND THOUGHT THAT THE POLICE OFFICER HAD BEAT UP THE BLACK MAN.

YET, SHE DID NOT CHARGE THAT OFFICER, SHE DID NOT CONFRONT THE OFFICER ABOUT WHAT HE AD DONE.

SHE SAYS SHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T TELL HIM THE TRUTH AND SAID THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROOF TO GO FORWARD WITH THE CASE OF ASSAULT AGAINST THE COOP BECAUSE THE SCRATCH WAS NOT SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE IN THE POSITION WE ARE IN, THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHEN MY OPPONENT WAS THERE, DID NOT CHARGE POLICE OFFICERS WITH ASSAULTING BLACK MEN AND WHEN I'VE HEARD HER TELL THAT STORY, I HAVE ASKED MYSELF BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T TELL THE POLICE CHIEF, SHE DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY ABOUT IT, HOW MANY OTHER BLACK MEN DID THAT POLICE OFFICER ASSAULT IN HIS CAREER?

>> I SPOKE THIS MORNING TO A PERSON WHO HAS JUST COME OUT OF THE BEING INCARCERATED AND HE ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN A SIMILAR SITUATION AND I SHARED WITH HIM THIS STORY.

I'VE SHARED THIS STORY WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.

I'M NOT ASHAMED OF WHAT I DID.

THIS WAS IN THE 19 -- IN THE LATE 1990s TO THE EARLY 2000s, IT WAS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO THEN.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FULL COMPLEMENT OF POLICE OFFICERS, HE COMES -- THIS OFFICER DID COME IN AND WANTED TO CHARGE THIS YOUNG MAN WITH ASSAULT ON THE POLICE OFFICER.

FOR SOME REASON, I WANTED TO SEE THE BOOKING PHOTO, FOR SOME SUSPICIOUS REASON, SO I LOOKED AT IT AND IT LOOKED LIKE HE HAD BEEN ASSAULTED BY THE POLICE.

I THOUGHT THE BEST THING TO DO THEN, BECAUSE THIS IS 20, 25 YEARS AGO, WAS NOT TO CHARGE THE CASE.

NOT TO HIDE OR NOT TO, YOU KNOW, PROHIBIT MYSELF FROM REPORTING IT.

THAT WAS MY ANGLE, THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE BEST THING TO DO AT THAT TIME.

NOW, THE SITUATION HERE IS -- I MEAN, MARY AND I HAVE BOTH RUN LAW OFFICES, WE BOTH HAVE.

AND AS A RESULT OF MY RUNNING ONE LAW OFFICE, I WAS PROMOTED AND ELEVATED AND APPOINTED TO THE BENCH.

AS A RESULT OF HER RUNNING HER LAW OFFICE, SHE WAS OUSTED BECAUSE SHE RAN A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT.

SO IF WE WANT TO START CRITICIZING DIFFERENT PEOPLE HERE, THAT WASN'T MY ANGLE HERE BUT I SHARED THIS STORY NOT BECAUSE I WAS ASHAMED OF WHAT I DID BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I THOUGHT I COULD LEARN FROM IT AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT NOW.

>> YEAH, I'M ACTUALLY THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO RAN A LARGE LAW OFFICE.

SHE WAS DEPUTY CHIEF AT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO SHE DID NOT RUN A LAW OFFICE.

I RAN THE SECOND LARGEST PUBLIC LAW OFFICE IN THE TATE WHICH WAS THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE.

I AM EXTREMELY PROUD OF THE WORK I DID AS CHIEF PUBLIC DEFENDER.

IN FACT, THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR STATE COURTS DID A MULTI-YEAR DATABASE STUDY ON OUR OFFICE AND FOUND US TO BE ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC DEFENDERS' OFFICES IN THE COUNTRY.

THE PUBLIC DEFENDER UNION HAS ENDORSED ME FOR THIS PARTICULAR POSITION.

THE UNION SUPPORTED ME WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET REAPPOINTED.

I GOT A GLOWING LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM FORMER CHIEF MADIERA AIR DONE DO ASKING I BE REAPPOINTED.

WHY I LOST MY JOB WAS BECAUSE OF POLITICS.

IT WAS BECAUSE I HAD THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AND TALK ABOUT POLICIES OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT WERE HURTING OUR CLIENTS, OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW.

THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO DIFFERENT AS HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY.

I HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT HAVE HUGE CONSEQUENCES.

>> Eric: WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON, I THINK BOTH HAD A SHOT AT THAT.

THE WAR ON DRUGS.

>> WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE LOW-LEVEL MARIJUANA CASES BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON NOW IS FENTANYL, BECAUSE FENTANYL IS KILLING TOO MANY OF OUR YOUTH AND TOO MANY OF OUR PEOPLE.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT -- WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DO TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAW BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OPIOID CONSEQUENCES ARE A LOT MORE SEVERE THAN FENTANYL AND FENTANYL IS 50 TIMES MORE POTENT AND IT'S KILLING MORE PEOPLE BUT WE HAVE TO GO TO THE LEGISLATURE SO WE CAN UP THE CONSEQUENCES FOR FENTANYL.

AS FAR AS OUR LOW-LEVEL DRUGS, NO, AND MOST OF OUR DRUG ADDICTS ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM DRUG ADDICTION, THEY GO THROUGH OUR COURT -- DRUG COURT AND THEY'VE ALSO HAVE ALTERNATIVES AND AS FAR AS I CAN SAY, THE DRUG OURT THAT WE HAVE, MENTAL HEALTH COURT AND VETERANS COURT, THEY'RE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB, AND THE RECIDIVISM RATE ON THOSE CASES IS VERY, VERY LOW, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

>> Eric: WAR ON DRUGS?

>> YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE WAR ON DRUGS WAS ACTUALLY A WAR ON BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE.

WE KNOW THAT.

THAT'S BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.

IT CAUSED A LOT OF DAMAGE TO COMMUNITIES, TO FAMILIES, AND WE NEED TO NOT ONLY STOP FOLLOWING THOSE FAILED PRACTICES FROM DECADES AGO, BUT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT A PUBLIC HEALTH APPROACH TO SUBSTANCE USE.

ONE THING THAT PEOPLE GET CONFUSED IS THAT ACTUALLY THERE ISN'T A STRICT LINE BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE USING AND SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE SELLING, SO WE HAVE TO GET THAT OUT OF THEIR MIND.

WHAT I HEAR MY OPPONENT SAYING IS SHE WANTS LONGER SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE -- >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, MARY.

THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID.

>> LONGER SENTENCES FOR DRUG CRIMES.

SHE SAID GO TO THE LEGISLATURE AND GET LONGER -- >> THAT WAS FOR FENTANYL ADDICTION.

LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION STRAIGHT, MARY.

>> Eric: ONE AT A TIME.

>> I KNOW.

FOR SUBSTANCE USE, WHETHER IT'S FEND NATURAL OR NOT, WE DO NOT NEED LONGER SENTENCES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION.

I HAPPEN TO BE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE GAVE I DON'T RECALL HEALTH COMMITTEE IN HENNEPIN COUNTY FOR SIX YEARS, THAT WAS THE COMMITTEE TASKED WITH - LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE.

I WAS ON THE STEERING COMMITTEES FOR ALL OF THE DRUG COURT, THE VETERANS COURT AND THAT SORT OF THING.

IT IS NOT EVERYBODY WHO HAS AN ADDICTION THAT GETS TO GO TO THOSE COURTS AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

>> Cathy: ANOTHER QUESTION.

HOW DO YOU ENVISION WORKING WITH THE NEW COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN MINNEAPOLIS, CEDRIC ALEXANDER?

>> I'VE MET WITH -- I ET CEDRIC, NOT PERSONALLY BUT I'VE MET HIM AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, I'M VERY IM RESSED WITH HIM.

I THINK HE'S GOT A TREMENDOUS BACKGROUND AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB COORDINATING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND 9-1-1.

I THINK WE'LL WORK FINE TOGETHER.

>> Cathy: MINNEAPOLIS SEEMS TOO MUCH A NEW SYSTEM THEY'RE WORKING ON?

>> YES.

>> Cathy: HOW WILL YOU WORK WITH THAT?

>> YES.

ONE OF MY JOBS AS HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY AS I MENTIONED BEFORE IS TO PROSECUTE VIOLENT CRIME AND WE NEED GOOD POLICE WORK TO DO THAT SO I WILL PART ENGINEER WITH CEDRIC ALEX DETERMINE AND THE NEW NEW POLICE CHIEF AND OTHER POLICE CHIEFS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS HERE.

IN FACT, THE OTHER NIGHT I WAS AT A COMMUNITY SAFETY MEETING IN NEW HOPE WHERE IT HAD NEW HOPE, ROBBINSDALE AND CRYSTAL CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY SO I VERY MUCH WANT TO PARTNER WITH POLICE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE MOOR EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> Eric: CASH BAIL.

>> ASH BAIL.

I AM A PROPONENT -- PROPONENT OF CASH BECAME.

AS A JUDGE, IF A DEFENDANT COULDN'T PAY THE REQUISITE AMOUNT OF BAIL, I WOULD ASK THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY HOW MANY CAN HE AFFORD TO PAY.

AND SO I WOULD THEN REDUCE THE AMOUNT, SO THESE INDIVIDUALS COULD GET OUT.

I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH CASH BAIL IS WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE FREEDOM FUND AND THE FREEDOM FUND HAS BEEN POSTING BAIL, IT WAS SET UP SPECIFICALLY AFTER THE RIOTS.

>> Eric: RIGHT.

>> ASSIST PEOPLE, THE 500 PEOPLE THAT WERE ARRESTED SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO POST BAIL AND WHAT IT'S MORPHED INTO IS IT'S NOW PAYING FOR VIOLENT CRIME NALLS TO GET OUT.

IT'S NOW POSTING BAIL, I KNOW BECAUSE AS A JUDGE, ONE OF MY -- ONE OF MY BENEFITS WHO I SET BAIL VERY, VERY HIGHWAY, THEY POSTED HIS BILL AND HE GOT OUT AND COMMITTED ANOTHER CRIME.

I HAD ANOTHER COLLEAGUE, ANOTHER JUDGE WHO ALSO HAD A SERIOUS PERSON IN CUSTODY, THEY POSTED HIS HIGH BAIL, HE WENT OUT AND HE KILLED SOMEBODY.

>> Eric: CASH AIL.

>> YEAH.

CASH BAIL IS ACTUALLY A RIGHT THAT'S ENSHRINED IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RISK, SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY GETS CHARGED WITH A CRIME WHETHER IT'S LOW-LEVEL CRIME OR VIOLENT CRIME, THEY CAN GET OUT IF THEY HAVE THE MEANS TO DO SO.

IF YOU'RE POOR AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO SO, YOU STAY IN.

AND WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH THAT IF YOU STAY IN, EACH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME BECAUSE YOUR LIFE IS DESTABILIZED, SO THE BIG PROBLEM WITH BAIL IS ACTUALLY IT'S ABOUT WEALTH.

PEOPLE WITH MONEY GET OUT, PEOPLE WITHOUT MONEY DON'T.

AND THE -- I THINK PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS, PEOPLE WITH MONEY CAN POST BAIL ON VIOLENT OFFENSES AND THEY DO EVERY DAY.

SO THE IDEA THAT A POOR PERSON CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY BAIL THEM OUT AND THAT THEY WILL COMMIT A NEW CRIME DEFIES THE RESEARCH.

AND WHAT I WOULD DO, ACTUALLY, AS HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY IS MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ABILITY TO PAY A THRESHOLD THERE, SO IF SOMEBODY IS A DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY, THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS OR BAIL BUT WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT IT ISN'T BASED ON WEALTH.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, THE CHAUVIN TRIAL WAS INTERESTING FOR MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE IT ALLOWED FOLKS TO SEE A TRIAL, RIGHT, AND WE HAD CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM AND BEING MEMBERS OF THE MINNESOTA MEDIA, WE'VE LONG WANTED TO HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY IN COURTROOMS.

I'M CURIOUS, AS A JUDGE, OULD YOU -- AND IF YOU ARE -- IF YOU WIN AND YOU BECOME HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU WANT -- >> I'M NOT A JUDGE ANYMORE.

I RETIRED.

>> Cathy: RIGHT, CORRECT.

WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THOUGH, AND IF YOU BECOME HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY, WOULD YOU WANT MORE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM?

>> I THINK CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM REALLY CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF WHAT HAPPENS IN A COURTROOM.

PEOPLE START ACTING DIFFERENTLY.

THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES DIFFERENTLY.

I THINK WHAT THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOW WHERE WE HAVE CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE, OKAY, AND THEN IF THEY DON'T, WE ALLOW CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM DURING SENTENCING, ONLY AFTER IF THERE IS A CONVICTION AND WE MOVE ON TO SENTENCING.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS -- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE, TOO, IS THAT I LEFT MY JUDGE-SHIP TO RUN FOR HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY BECAUSE I LIVE OVER NORTH AND I'VE LIVED OVER NORTH FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND IN THE LAST 2 YEARS, WE'VE HAD OVER 90 HOMICIDES IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS ALONE, OKAY?

AND QUITE A FEW OF THE VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN.

THAT DID IT FOR ME.

SO I'M RUNNING BECAUSE I CARE MORE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY AND I KNOW I CAN MAKE MORE CHANGES OFF THE BENCH THAN I CAN ON.

AND IF I CAN JUST GO BACK TO BAIL FOR ONE SECOND -- >> Eric: REAL QUICK.

>> BAIL IS BASED ON YOUR FLIGHT RISK AND ALSO ON THE LEVEL OF THE CRIME AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WILL REAPPEAR IN COURT.

ERIC GOT A MINUTE LEFT.

MAYBE CAMERAS IN THE COURTS?

>> YEAH, AS YOU KNOW, I DID COMMENTARY ON THE CHAUVIN TRIAL AND I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY SHOULD ONLY BE THERE FOR SENTENCING BECAUSE WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY GOT TO SEE IS WHAT HAPPENS, HE EVERYDAY INJUSTICES AND THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN COURT.

AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

NOT JUST THE SENSATIONALISTIC SENTENCING OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO I WILL FOLLOW UP AND SAY I AM THE DFL-ENDORSED CANDIDATE, ENDORSED BY ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON AND OVER 50 LEGISLATORS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS, I AM THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO'S ENDORSED BY PRO-CHOICE GROUPS.

I AM A MOMS DEMAND GUNS ENSE CANDIDATE AND I WANT EVERY PRECINCTS IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS.

>> Eric: REAL QUICK, YOUR ENDORSEMENT REAL QUICK.

>> MY ENDORSEMENT WERE MPPOA,.

>> >> Eric: MINNEAPOLIS PEACE OFFICERS.

>> I'VE ALSO BEEN ENDORSED BY 30 MAYOR AND THAT'S 80% OF HENNEPIN COUNTY.

ALONG WITH DON SAMUELS AND OTHER NODRIES THAT YOU WOULD SEE IF YOU LOOKED AT MY WEBSITE, MARTHA FOR HENNEPIN.COM.

>> Eric: THANK YOU BOTH.

GOOD LUCK TO BOTH OF YOU.

THANK YOU FOR COMING OVER.

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