>> CONGRESSMAN BANKS' >> CONGRESSMAN BANKS' VACCINATION STATUS.

VACCINATION STATUS.

GOV.

HOLCOMB INSISTS THE STATE GOV.

HOLCOMB INSISTS THE STATE FAIR IS SAFE.

FAIR IS SAFE.

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ENDING AUGUST 6TH, 2021.

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INDIANA CONGRESSMAN JIM BANKS INDIANA CONGRESSMAN JIM BANKS RECENTLY TOLD FORT WAYNE JOURNAL RECENTLY TOLD FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE REPORTER NIKI KELLY THAT GAZETTE REPORTER NIKI KELLY THAT HE RECEIVED THE COVID-19 HE RECEIVED THE COVID-19 VACCINE BUT HE WON'T TELL OTHERS VACCINE BUT HE WON'T TELL OTHERS TO GET IT.

TO GET IT.

>> >> BANKS TOLD KELLY THAT HE WASN'T BANKS TOLD KELLY THAT HE WASN'T HIDING HIS VACCINATION STATUS, HIDING HIS VACCINATION STATUS, BUT THAT NO ONE HAD ASKED BEFORE BUT THAT NO ONE HAD ASKED BEFORE SHE DID.

SHE DID.

AND HE SAYS THAT BECAUSE HE'S AND HE SAYS THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT A DOCTOR OR A PASTOR, HE NOT A DOCTOR OR A PASTOR, HE DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S IN ANY DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S IN ANY POSITION TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO POSITION TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO REGARDING THE VACCINE.

REGARDING THE VACCINE.

OTHER REPUBLICAN LEADERS AT THE OTHER REPUBLICAN LEADERS AT THE STATE LEVEL HAVE BEEN OUTSPOKEN STATE LEVEL HAVE BEEN OUTSPOKEN ABOUT URGING PEOPLE TO GET ABOUT URGING PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED, NOTABLY GOV.

ERIC VACCINATED, NOTABLY GOV.

ERIC HOLCOMB, WHO MAKES A CASE FOR HOLCOMB, WHO MAKES A CASE FOR THE VACCINE AT MANY OF THE THE VACCINE AT MANY OF THE PUBLIC EVENTS HE ATTENDS.

PUBLIC EVENTS HE ATTENDS.

>> >> DOES CONGRESSMAN BANKS HAVE A DOES CONGRESSMAN BANKS HAVE A DUTY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET DUTY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET THE COVID VACCINE?

THE COVID VACCINE?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT GREGORY STOWERS.

DEMOCRAT GREGORY STOWERS.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

LAWMAKERS.

AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON SMITH.

SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN, IS BANKS TRYING MIKE O'BRIEN, IS BANKS TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?

TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK ALL >> I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK ALL THESE GUYS ARE IN A DIFFERENT THESE GUYS ARE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION.

UNFAIR TO COMPARE TO POSITION.

UNFAIR TO COMPARE TO THE GOVERNOR, HE OVERSEES AN THE GOVERNOR, HE OVERSEES AN ENTIRE AGENCY WHOSE JOB IT IS TO ENTIRE AGENCY WHOSE JOB IT IS TO COORDINATE AND DISTRIBUTE THE COORDINATE AND DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINE, DISTRIBUTE TESTS, VERY VACCINE, DISTRIBUTE TESTS, VERY DIFFERENT ROLES IN THIS.

I THINK DIFFERENT ROLES IN THIS.

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON CIRCUMSTANCE.

IT DEPENDS ON CIRCUMSTANCE.

LINDSEY GRAHAM WE SAW WAS VERY LINDSEY GRAHAM WE SAW WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN, SPOKEN TO THE FORMER OUTSPOKEN, SPOKEN TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, ENCOURAGED HIM PRESIDENT TRUMP, ENCOURAGED HIM TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED.

NOT ACCUSING YOU OF VACCINATED.

NOT ACCUSING YOU OF GOTCHA JOURNALISM.

THE POINT IS GOTCHA JOURNALISM.

THE POINT IS TO GET HIM A BIT.

THIS KIND OF TO GET HIM A BIT.

THIS KIND OF LIKE SET-UP MAKES THAT WORSE.

IT LIKE SET-UP MAKES THAT WORSE.

IT CAUSES THOSE PEOPLE TO JUST KIND CAUSES THOSE PEOPLE TO JUST KIND OF DIG IN, IF NOT DEFEND THEM, OF DIG IN, IF NOT DEFEND THEM, IT'S BIZARRE THAT THE POLITICS IT'S BIZARRE THAT THE POLITICS ARE KIND OF LIKE GENERALLY, IF ARE KIND OF LIKE GENERALLY, IF WE'RE TALKING GENERAL TERMS, WE'RE TALKING GENERAL TERMS, GENERALLY BASE REPUBLICANS WHO GENERALLY BASE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SUSPICIOUS OF IT, OR ARE SUSPICIOUS OF IT, OR UNWILLING TO GET IT FOR WHATEVER UNWILLING TO GET IT FOR WHATEVER REASON.

A LOT F IT IS POLITICS.

REASON.

A LOT F IT IS POLITICS.

NO ONE DESERVES MORE CREDIT THAN NO ONE DESERVES MORE CREDIT THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE FEDERAL PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

GOVERNMENT.

>> DR. FAUCI SAID THAT THIS >> DR. FAUCI SAID THAT THIS WEEK.

WEEK.

>> UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP AND THE >> UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP AND THE RED TAPE THEY BROKE THROUGH, RED TAPE THEY BROKE THROUGH, MOVING THIS VACCINE TO MARKET AS MOVING THIS VACCINE TO MARKET AS FAST AS THEY COULD.

NOW IT'S THE FAST AS THEY COULD.

NOW IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WOULD DIE FOR SAME PEOPLE WHO WOULD DIE FOR THEM.

WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE THEM.

WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY DIE FROM AND DON'T HAVE TO.

FROM AND DON'T HAVE TO.

>> DOES CONGRESSMAN BANKS HAVE A >> DOES CONGRESSMAN BANKS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY YES, I GOT RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY YES, I GOT IT, YOU SHOULD GET IT, TOO.

IT, YOU SHOULD GET IT, TOO.

>> I THINK HE CERTAINLY DOES.

>> I THINK HE CERTAINLY DOES.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUTSPOKEN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OUTSPOKEN DEMOCRATS WHO WOULD SAY YES, AND DEMOCRATS WHO WOULD SAY YES, AND A LOT OF QUIETER REPUBLICANS WHO A LOT OF QUIETER REPUBLICANS WHO WOULD ALSO SAY YES.

I THINK AT A WOULD ALSO SAY YES.

I THINK AT A HIGHER LEVEL, IT IS A QUESTION HIGHER LEVEL, IT IS A QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP.

HIS CONSTITUENTS OF LEADERSHIP.

HIS CONSTITUENTS ELECTED HIM TO LEAD.

AND LEADERS ELECTED HIM TO LEAD.

AND LEADERS HAVE TO DO TOUGH THINGS.

BUT HAVE TO DO TOUGH THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE ASPIRATIONS ARE WHEN YOU'RE ASPIRATIONS ARE OUTWEIGHING YOUR REALITIES, THAT OUTWEIGHING YOUR REALITIES, THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THAT'S WHAT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FINDING.

WE'RE FINDING.

>> DO YOU THINK -- HE'S WALKING >> DO YOU THINK -- HE'S WALKING A KIND OF FINE LINE POLITICALLY A KIND OF FINE LINE POLITICALLY HERE.

DO YOU THINK FOR HIM THIS HERE.

DO YOU THINK FOR HIM THIS IS THE RIGHT LINE TO WALK?

IS THE RIGHT LINE TO WALK?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA.

THAT'S UP TO >> I HAVE NO IDEA.

THAT'S UP TO HIS CONSTITUENTS.

IT IS NOT UP HIS CONSTITUENTS.

IT IS NOT UP TO ME.

I HONESTLY HAD NOT TO ME.

I HONESTLY HAD NOT PLANNED TO ASK HIM THAT.

POPPED PLANNED TO ASK HIM THAT.

POPPED INTO MY HEAD LAST MINUTE.

I WAS INTO MY HEAD LAST MINUTE.

I WAS INTERVIEWING HIM FOR ANOTHER INTERVIEWING HIM FOR ANOTHER STORY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

MY STORY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

MY TWITTER NOTIFICATIONS ARE A TWITTER NOTIFICATIONS ARE A FREAKIN' MESS RIGHT NOW.

I WILL FREAKIN' MESS RIGHT NOW.

I WILL SAY ONE THING HE SAID WAS SAY ONE THING HE SAID WAS REPEATEDLY I'M NOT A DOCTOR, NOT REPEATEDLY I'M NOT A DOCTOR, NOT MY JOB TO TELL THEM.

I SEE HIM MY JOB TO TELL THEM.

I SEE HIM SAYING FOLLOW THE SCIENCE ON SAYING FOLLOW THE SCIENCE ON MASKS, NOT SAYING FOLLOW THE MASKS, NOT SAYING FOLLOW THE SCIENCE ON VACCINATIONS.

SCIENCE ON VACCINATIONS.

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ASKING >> I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION.

BUT IS HE HURT THIS QUESTION.

BUT IS HE HURT POLITICALLY BY SAYING, YES, I POLITICALLY BY SAYING, YES, I GOT VACCINATED?

GOT VACCINATED?

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ANSWERING >> I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M ANSWERING THIS QUESTION.

YES, I THINK TO A THIS QUESTION.

YES, I THINK TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WITH SOME OF HIS CERTAIN EXTENT WITH SOME OF HIS CONSTITUENTS.

THE BIZARRE WORLD CONSTITUENTS.

THE BIZARRE WORLD WE FIND OURSELVES.

DOES HE HAVE WE FIND OURSELVES.

DOES HE HAVE AN OBLIGATION?

AN OBLIGATION?

I THINK CERTAINLY AS AN ELECTED I THINK CERTAINLY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL WHOSE OWN FEDERAL OFFICIAL WHOSE OWN FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE THE ONES WHO ARE AGENCIES ARE THE ONES WHO ARE STRONGLY RECOMMENDING THESE, STRONGLY RECOMMENDING THESE, PRESUMABLY HE BELIEVES IN THE PRESUMABLY HE BELIEVES IN THE CDC AND THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES CDC AND THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES FOR HEALTH.

AND PRESUMABLY HE FOR HEALTH.

AND PRESUMABLY HE WOULD WANT THEM TO WEIGH IN WITH WOULD WANT THEM TO WEIGH IN WITH WHAT HIS OWN AGENCIES SAY.

I WHAT HIS OWN AGENCIES SAY.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE SAME RELUCTANCE HAVEN'T SEEN THE SAME RELUCTANCE SINCE HE'S NOT A PHYSICIAN TO SINCE HE'S NOT A PHYSICIAN TO WEIGH IN ON ANY NUMBER OF WEIGH IN ON ANY NUMBER OF ISSUES, INCLUDING REPRODUCTIVE ISSUES, INCLUDING REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ISSUES WITH WOMEN AND SO HEALTH ISSUES WITH WOMEN AND SO FORTH.

THERE IS SORT OF A FORTH.

THERE IS SORT OF A SELECTIVITY PERHAPS SELECTIVITY PERHAPS >> MORE CONTROVERIAL... >> MORE CONTROVERIAL... >> AS LONG AS THEY HAVE -- LET >> AS LONG AS THEY HAVE -- LET ME SAY ONE THING.

FRANK -- WHO ME SAY ONE THING.

FRANK -- WHO IS A LOT SMARTER ABOUT THESE IS A LOT SMARTER ABOUT THESE THINGS THAN I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAN I, ONE OF THE GENIUSES OF POLITICAL OPINION, GENIUSES OF POLITICAL OPINION, READING THE TEA LEAVES AND READING THE TEA LEAVES AND ADVISING ANY NUMBER OF ADVISING ANY NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS FOR PROBABLY 20, 30 REPUBLICANS FOR PROBABLY 20, 30 YEARS, AND HE HAS BEEN DOING YEARS, AND HE HAS BEEN DOING WORK ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHY WORK ON THIS ISSUE ABOUT WHY AREN'T PEOPLE GETTING THE AREN'T PEOPLE GETTING THE VACCINE, AND WHAT NEEDS TO VACCINE, AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO GET THE HAPPEN FOR THEM TO GET THE VACCINE.

AND HE SAYS THAT VACCINE.

AND HE SAYS THAT WHETHER IF YOU ARE LOCAL -- YOUR WHETHER IF YOU ARE LOCAL -- YOUR CONGRESSMAN OR EVEN YOUR US CONGRESSMAN OR EVEN YOUR US SENATOR WEIGHS IN, OR THE SENATOR WEIGHS IN, OR THE PRESIDENT, DOESN'T MATTER.

IT PRESIDENT, DOESN'T MATTER.

IT REALLY -- HIS RESEARCH SHOWS HAS REALLY -- HIS RESEARCH SHOWS HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT YOU ALREADY TO BE SOMEBODY THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING RELATIONSHIP HAVE AN EXISTING RELATIONSHIP WITH FROM THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

WITH FROM THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

HIS ARGUMENT BEING YOUR PERSONAL HIS ARGUMENT BEING YOUR PERSONAL PHYSICIAN, THAT YOUR FAMILY'S PHYSICIAN, THAT YOUR FAMILY'S PHYSICIAN FOR YOUR CHILD'S PHYSICIAN FOR YOUR CHILD'S PEDIATRICIAN OR PHARMACIST.

HE PEDIATRICIAN OR PHARMACIST.

HE HAS BEEN BEG PHYSICIANS AND HAS BEEN BEG PHYSICIANS AND PHARMACISTS TO PRODUCE SHORT PHARMACISTS TO PRODUCE SHORT VIDEOS THAT THEY CAN DISTRIBUTE VIDEOS THAT THEY CAN DISTRIBUTE TO THEIR CUSTOMER BASE OR THEIR TO THEIR CUSTOMER BASE OR THEIR PATIENT BASE BEGGING PEOPLE TO PATIENT BASE BEGGING PEOPLE TO DO THIS.

HE'S ABOUT TO COME OUT DO THIS.

HE'S ABOUT TO COME OUT WITH A REPORT IN THE NEXT WEEK WITH A REPORT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO.

HERE'S YOUR LITTLE OR SO.

HERE'S YOUR LITTLE HEADS-UP.

HEADS-UP.

>> I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE >> I'VE SEEN SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, TOO.

THE TRICK HERE IS NUMBERS, TOO.

THE TRICK HERE IS HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL HAVE A HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL HAVE A PERSONAL -- PERSONAL -- >> EVEN IF WEIGHED IN MIGHT NOT >> EVEN IF WEIGHED IN MIGHT NOT MATTER.

MATTER.

>> >> GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB SAYS HE'LL GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB SAYS HE'LL BE MONITORING INDIANA'S COVID-19 BE MONITORING INDIANA'S COVID-19 DATA AS THE STATE FAIR IS DATA AS THE STATE FAIR IS UNDERWAY.

BUT HE'S CONVINCED IT UNDERWAY.

BUT HE'S CONVINCED IT WILL BE SAFE.

THE STATE FAIR WILL BE SAFE.

THE STATE FAIR TYPICALLY DRAWS NEARLY A MILLION TYPICALLY DRAWS NEARLY A MILLION PEOPLE OVER ITS TWO-AND-A-HALF PEOPLE OVER ITS TWO-AND-A-HALF WEEKS.

AND INDIANA IS IN THE WEEKS.

AND INDIANA IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHARPEST SPIKE IN MIDDLE OF THE SHARPEST SPIKE IN DAILY COVID CASES SINCE THE DAILY COVID CASES SINCE THE PANDEMIC'S EARLIEST DAYS.

PANDEMIC'S EARLIEST DAYS.

>> >> THE FAIR DOESN'T HAVE ANY THE FAIR DOESN'T HAVE ANY MANDATED COVID RESTRICTIONS FOR MANDATED COVID RESTRICTIONS FOR ITS GUESTS.

BUT HOLCOMB SAYS, IF ITS GUESTS.

BUT HOLCOMB SAYS, IF PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL MORE PEOPLE WANT TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, THEY'RE FREE TO COMFORTABLE, THEY'RE FREE TO WEAR A MASK.

WEAR A MASK.

>> GOV.

ERIC HOLCOMB: THAT IS >> GOV.

ERIC HOLCOMB: THAT IS ONE WAY TO ADD ANOTHER EXTRA ONE WAY TO ADD ANOTHER EXTRA LAYER OF NOT JUST PEACE OF MIND, LAYER OF NOT JUST PEACE OF MIND, BUT SAFETY.

BUT SAFETY.

>> >> THE CDC RECENTLY ISSUED GUIDANCE THE CDC RECENTLY ISSUED GUIDANCE THAT EVEN VACCINATED PEOPLE THAT EVEN VACCINATED PEOPLE SHOULD WEAR MASKS INDOORS IN SHOULD WEAR MASKS INDOORS IN AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT SPREAD - AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT SPREAD - WHICH INCLUDES MOST OF INDIANA.

WHICH INCLUDES MOST OF INDIANA.

MUCH OF THE STATE FAIR - THOUGH MUCH OF THE STATE FAIR - THOUGH NOT ALL OF IT - IS OUTDOORS.

NOT ALL OF IT - IS OUTDOORS.

>> >> GREGORY STOWERS, SHOULD WE BE GREGORY STOWERS, SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATE FAIR CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATE FAIR AND A COVID SPIKE?

AND A COVID SPIKE?

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE >> I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE TO SAY YES TO THIS.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY YES TO THIS.

I WOULD HAVE TO SAY YES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TO SAY YES.

WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR VACCINATION RATE, I THINK WE'RE VACCINATION RATE, I THINK WE'RE UNDER 50% RIGHT NOW AROUND THE UNDER 50% RIGHT NOW AROUND THE STATE.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS A STATE.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS A POLITICAL ISSUE.

I THINK THIS IS POLITICAL ISSUE.

I THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE OF REALITIES.

AN ISSUE OF REALITIES.

UNFORTUNATELY OUR GOVERNOR IS IN UNFORTUNATELY OUR GOVERNOR IS IN A REALLY TOUGH SPOT, WHICH PUTS A REALLY TOUGH SPOT, WHICH PUTS US ALL IN A TOUGH SPOT.

COMES US ALL IN A TOUGH SPOT.

COMES DOWN TO LEADERSHIP, WE NEED DOWN TO LEADERSHIP, WE NEED LEADERS TO PRESS US AND DO LEADERS TO PRESS US AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT.

WHAT'S RIGHT.

>> OBVIOUSLY WE WERE ALL LOOKING >> OBVIOUSLY WE WERE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THE STATE FAIR BEING FORWARD TO THE STATE FAIR BEING BACK AFTER THE FIRST -- IT WAS BACK AFTER THE FIRST -- IT WAS CANCELED FOR THE FIRST TIME CANCELED FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE WORLD WAR II LAST YEAR SINCE WORLD WAR II LAST YEAR OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EARLIER DAYS OF THE PANDEMIC.

EARLIER DAYS OF THE PANDEMIC.

AND THIS SPIKE HAS HAPPENED AND THIS SPIKE HAS HAPPENED REALLY CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF REALLY CLOSE TO THE BEGINNING OF IT.

BUT ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT IT.

BUT ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT THERE AREN'T ANY SORT OF THERE AREN'T ANY SORT OF RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE?

RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE?

BEYOND, WELL, MAYBE WEAR A MASK?

BEYOND, WELL, MAYBE WEAR A MASK?

>> I DON'T THINK I AM.

I WENT TO >> I DON'T THINK I AM.

I WENT TO A WHITE SOX GAME IN CHICAGO, A WHITE SOX GAME IN CHICAGO, WE'RE COMING OUT OF -- COUNTY WE'RE COMING OUT OF -- COUNTY FAIRS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FAIRS, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHERING IN SMALLER AREAS, GATHERING IN SMALLER AREAS, COUNTY FAIRS, AND COUNTY FAIR COUNTY FAIRS, AND COUNTY FAIR GROUNDS.

IF THIS WERE AT SOME GROUNDS.

IF THIS WERE AT SOME KIND OF OUTLIER BASED ON WHAT KIND OF OUTLIER BASED ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN DO, GO TO A OTHER PEOPLE CAN DO, GO TO A CONCERT, BASEBALL GAME, OR CONCERT, BASEBALL GAME, OR VICTORY FIELD, WHATEVER, THEN, VICTORY FIELD, WHATEVER, THEN, YEAH, WOULD BE LIKE UNUSUAL.

YEAH, WOULD BE LIKE UNUSUAL.

UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SHUTTING DOWN INDOOR ACTIVITIES, SHUTTING DOWN INDOOR ACTIVITIES, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD LOOK I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD LOOK AT SHUTTING OUTDOOR, THINGS AT SHUTTING OUTDOOR, THINGS LARGELY OUTDOOR.

MOST OF THE LARGELY OUTDOOR.

MOST OF THE FAIR IS.

MAYBE CUT DOWN ON FAIR IS.

MAYBE CUT DOWN ON PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITH PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITH TURKEY LEGS OR SOMETHING, I TURKEY LEGS OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.

DON'T KNOW.

>> MIGHT AS WELL CANCEL THE >> MIGHT AS WELL CANCEL THE FAIR.

FAIR.

>> YOU CAN'T EAT THE TURKEY LEG >> YOU CAN'T EAT THE TURKEY LEG WITH THE MASK ON.

WITH THE MASK ON.

>> IS THE FACT THAT THE FAIR, A >> IS THE FACT THAT THE FAIR, A LOT OF THE FAIR, NOT ALL OF IT, LOT OF THE FAIR, NOT ALL OF IT, BUT A LOT OF THE FAIR IS BUT A LOT OF THE FAIR IS OUTDOORS, MAYBE HELP THIS OUTDOORS, MAYBE HELP THIS SITUATION?

SITUATION?

>> I THINK IT DOES HELP THE >> I THINK IT DOES HELP THE SITUATION.

BUT I THINK IT GOES SITUATION.

BUT I THINK IT GOES BEYOND THE SURROUNDING.

AND BEYOND THE SURROUNDING.

AND AGAIN A QUESTION LIKE THIS IS AGAIN A QUESTION LIKE THIS IS TOUGH BECAUSE IT INVITES A LOT TOUGH BECAUSE IT INVITES A LOT OF GENERALIZATIONS AND SWEEPING OF GENERALIZATIONS AND SWEEPING STATEMENTS.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME STATEMENTS.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MAKING SWEEPING STATEMENTS.

FOR MAKING SWEEPING STATEMENTS.

BUT THE FAIR TENDS TO ATTRACT A BUT THE FAIR TENDS TO ATTRACT A LARGELY RURAL CROWD.

THAT'S WHAT LARGELY RURAL CROWD.

THAT'S WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

IT IS ABOUT.

>> INDIANA AGRICULTURAL.

>> INDIANA AGRICULTURAL.

>> BUT -- AND THAT'S AN AUDIENCE >> BUT -- AND THAT'S AN AUDIENCE THAT WAS NOT WEARING MASKS TO A THAT WAS NOT WEARING MASKS TO A LARGE DEGREE EVEN AT THE HEIGHT LARGE DEGREE EVEN AT THE HEIGHT OF THE REDDEST OF RED MAPS, WHEN OF THE REDDEST OF RED MAPS, WHEN THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS IN THERE WERE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE, WHEN LOCAL HEALTH PLACE, WHEN LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS WERE MANDATING IT, DEPARTMENTS WERE MANDATING IT, AND THEY SAID THAT'S NOT FOR ME.

AND THEY SAID THAT'S NOT FOR ME.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT AND IT'S NOT I DON'T BELIEVE IT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED.

>> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED.

>> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED I >> IT WOULDN'T HAVE MATTERED I DON'T THINK.

IT IS JUST THE DON'T THINK.

IT IS JUST THE SITUATION HERE AND NOBODY IS SITUATION HERE AND NOBODY IS GOING TO REVERSE NOW.

GOING TO REVERSE NOW.

>> WORRIED ABOUT GOING, NOT >> WORRIED ABOUT GOING, NOT WORRIED ABOUT VACCINATED -- YOU WORRIED ABOUT VACCINATED -- YOU DIDN'T MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET DIDN'T MAKE AN EFFORT TO GET VACCINATED IN THE LAST EIGHT VACCINATED IN THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS.

MONTHS.

>> IF YOU'RE VACCINATED THEN -- >> IF YOU'RE VACCINATED THEN -- >> THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF DEEP >> THE ATTRACTIVENESS OF DEEP FRIED VACCINES... FRIED VACCINES... >> THIS IS -- THIS GOES TO A >> THIS IS -- THIS GOES TO A LARGER QUESTION GOVERNOR LARGER QUESTION GOVERNOR HOLCOMB'S DECISION, THROUGH HOW HOLCOMB'S DECISION, THROUGH HOW MANY MONTHS OF THE PANDEMIC HE MANY MONTHS OF THE PANDEMIC HE PFOLLOWED CDC GUIDANCE, WHETHER PFOLLOWED CDC GUIDANCE, WHETHER IT WAS IN THE ORDERS HE ISSUED IT WAS IN THE ORDERS HE ISSUED FOR THE STATE OR EVEN IN HIS OWN FOR THE STATE OR EVEN IN HIS OWN PERSONAL BEHAVIOR.

AND FOR THE PERSONAL BEHAVIOR.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME HE'S REALLY NOT DOING FIRST TIME HE'S REALLY NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.

THAT ANYMORE.

>> YEAH, HE'S NOT.

HE DID NOT >> YEAH, HE'S NOT.

HE DID NOT REIMPOSE MASKS FOR STATE REIMPOSE MASKS FOR STATE BUILDINGS WHEN WERE PREVIOUSLY BUILDINGS WHEN WERE PREVIOUSLY REQUIRED, HE'S NOT PERSONALLY REQUIRED, HE'S NOT PERSONALLY WEARING MASKS.

I WOULD LOVE TO WEARING MASKS.

I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM HIM WHY THIS TIME HE HEAR FROM HIM WHY THIS TIME HE IS -- IS -- >> BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE >> BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT GET THIS.

OPPORTUNITY TO NOT GET THIS.

>> YEAH, BUT THE CDC IS STILL >> YEAH, BUT THE CDC IS STILL SAYING IF YOU'RE VACCINATED.

SAYING IF YOU'RE VACCINATED.

>> IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A YEAR >> IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A YEAR AGO.

IF HE'S GOING TO SAY I'M AGO.

IF HE'S GOING TO SAY I'M FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE, GREAT, FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE, GREAT, PEOPLE NEED TO FOLLOW THE PEOPLE NEED TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.

PEOPLE -- IF YOU'RE SCIENCE.

PEOPLE -- IF YOU'RE UNVACCINATED FOLLOW THE CDC UNVACCINATED FOLLOW THE CDC PROTOCOLS.

AS INDIVIDUALS.

IT IS PROTOCOLS.

AS INDIVIDUALS.

IT IS NO LONGER WE'RE GOING TO SHUT NO LONGER WE'RE GOING TO SHUT DOWN FROM TOP DOWN.

SAYING DOWN FROM TOP DOWN.

SAYING WEEKS, MAKING KIND OF LIGHT OF WEEKS, MAKING KIND OF LIGHT OF IT, IT IS SERIOUS, WE'RE NOT IT, IT IS SERIOUS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND DISMANTLE GOING TO GO BACK AND DISMANTLE THE ECONOMY WHEN YOU DON'T FEEL THE ECONOMY WHEN YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE GETTING A VACCINE FOR LIKE GETTING A VACCINE FOR WHATEVER REASON.

WHATEVER REASON.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT ALERTS.

ALERTS.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: WILL THE INDIANA STATE FAIR WILL THE INDIANA STATE FAIR CAUSE A SPIKE IN COVID-19 CASES?

CAUSE A SPIKE IN COVID-19 CASES?

A YES, B, NO A YES, B, NO LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB REIMPOSE A SHOULD GOV.

HOLCOMB REIMPOSE A STATEWIDE MASK MANDATE IN K-12 STATEWIDE MASK MANDATE IN K-12 SCHOOLS?

SCHOOLS?

75% SAY YES, JUST 25% SAY NO.

75% SAY YES, JUST 25% SAY NO.

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AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

INDIANA OFFICIALS ARE GIVING INDIANA OFFICIALS ARE GIVING REGIONS AROUND THE STATE AN REGIONS AROUND THE STATE AN ADDITIONAL MONTH TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL MONTH TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS FOR UP TO 50 MILLION PROPOSALS FOR UP TO 50 MILLION DOLLARS FOR ECONOMIC DOLLARS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

GOVERNOR ERIC DEVELOPMENT.

GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB EXTENDED THE DEADLINE HOLCOMB EXTENDED THE DEADLINE THIS WEEK TO THE END OF THIS WEEK TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER FOR THE REGIONAL SEPTEMBER FOR THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC ACCELERATION AND ECONOMIC ACCELERATION AND DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE - CALLED DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE - CALLED READI.

READI.

>> >> THE 500 MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM THE 500 MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN MAY.

IT AIMS TO LAUNCHED IN MAY.

IT AIMS TO EXPEDITE SMALL- AND LARGE-SCALE EXPEDITE SMALL- AND LARGE-SCALE PROJECTS IN COMMUNITIES THAT PROJECTS IN COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, WOULD IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE, AND RETAIN AND ATTRACT WORKERS AND RETAIN AND ATTRACT WORKERS TO THE AREA.

TO THE AREA.

91 OF THE 92 COUNTIES IN THE 91 OF THE 92 COUNTIES IN THE STATE ARE PARTICIPATING.

STATE ARE PARTICIPATING.

FAYETTE COUNTY IS THE ONLY ONE FAYETTE COUNTY IS THE ONLY ONE NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE 18 NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THE 18 REGIONAL GROUPS IDENTIFIED.

REGIONAL GROUPS IDENTIFIED.

PROPOSALS WILL BE REVIEWED PROPOSALS WILL BE REVIEWED OCTOBER THROUGH NOVEMBER WITH OCTOBER THROUGH NOVEMBER WITH THE FIRST-ROUND SELECTIONS THE FIRST-ROUND SELECTIONS ANNOUNCED IN DECEMBER.

ANNOUNCED IN DECEMBER.

>> >> JON SCHWANTES, WHEN YOU HEAR JON SCHWANTES, WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT A DEADLINE GETTING PUSHED ABOUT A DEADLINE GETTING PUSHED BACK, IS YOUR FIRST THOUGHT THAT BACK, IS YOUR FIRST THOUGHT THAT THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH THEY DIDN'T GET ENOUGH APPLICATIONS?

APPLICATIONS?

THAT WOULD BE PRETTY SURPRISING THAT WOULD BE PRETTY SURPRISING FOR THIS PROGRAM, WOULDN'T IT?

FOR THIS PROGRAM, WOULDN'T IT?

>> ONE WOULD THINK IT IS PRETTY >> ONE WOULD THINK IT IS PRETTY SURPRISING GIVEN THAT A LOT OF SURPRISING GIVEN THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND COUNTIES THAT BUSINESSES AND COUNTIES THAT ENCOURAGE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE ENCOURAGE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE COMING OUT, EMERGING FROM, WE COMING OUT, EMERGING FROM, WE HOPE, THE EPIDEMIC, AND TRYING HOPE, THE EPIDEMIC, AND TRYING TO REBOUND IN A STRONG FASHION.

TO REBOUND IN A STRONG FASHION.

SO YOU WRO THINK THAT THE FOCUS SO YOU WRO THINK THAT THE FOCUS IS THERE, THERE IS A WIDESPREAD IS THERE, THERE IS A WIDESPREAD AWARENESS THAT THIS MONEY WAS AWARENESS THAT THIS MONEY WAS OUT THERE AND THESE GRANTS WERE OUT THERE AND THESE GRANTS WERE AVAILABLE.

MAYBE THE GOVERNOR IS AVAILABLE.

MAYBE THE GOVERNOR IS SUGGESTING HE WANTS ALL 92 SUGGESTING HE WANTS ALL 92 COUNTIES TO -- FAYETTE COUNTY COUNTIES TO -- FAYETTE COUNTY COME IN, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

COME IN, FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.

THAT SOUNDS A LOT BETTER THAN 91 THAT SOUNDS A LOT BETTER THAN 91 OUT OF 92.

I'M BEING SOMEWHAT OUT OF 92.

I'M BEING SOMEWHAT FACETIOUS.

YOU WOULD THINK THERE FACETIOUS.

YOU WOULD THINK THERE SHOULD BE HUGE DEMAND FOR THIS.

SHOULD BE HUGE DEMAND FOR THIS.

AND IF IT'S NOT, SHAME ON AND IF IT'S NOT, SHAME ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICIALS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICIALS ACROSS THE STATE, I GUESS.

ACROSS THE STATE, I GUESS.

>> SO THIS HARKENS BACK TO THE >> SO THIS HARKENS BACK TO THE REGIONAL CITY'S INITIATIVE KIND REGIONAL CITY'S INITIATIVE KIND OF BASED ON THAT, NOT EXACTLY OF BASED ON THAT, NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, REGIONAL CITIES WAS THE SAME, REGIONAL CITIES WAS VERY POPULAR.

DO WE EXPECT THIS VERY POPULAR.

DO WE EXPECT THIS WILL BE JUST AS POPULAR?

WILL BE JUST AS POPULAR?

>> I WOULD THINK SO.

MAYBE THEY >> I WOULD THINK SO.

MAYBE THEY SAW A COUPLE APPLICATIONS THAT SAW A COUPLE APPLICATIONS THAT WEREN'T FLESHED OUT QUITE WEREN'T FLESHED OUT QUITE ENOUGH.

I'M NOT SHUFR WITH READI ENOUGH.

I'M NOT SHUFR WITH READI WHAT THE MATCHING REQUIREMENTS WHAT THE MATCHING REQUIREMENTS ARE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ARE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A PROBLEM MAYBE GETTING THE SORT A PROBLEM MAYBE GETTING THE SORT OF PUBLIC SECTOR AND PRIVATE OF PUBLIC SECTOR AND PRIVATE SECTOR BUY-IN TOGETHER.

SO SECTOR BUY-IN TOGETHER.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS NEXT MONTH WILL HOPEFULLY THIS NEXT MONTH WILL RESULT IN SOME BETTER RESULT IN SOME BETTER APPLICATIONS.

APPLICATIONS.

>> LET'S HOPE THIS DOESN'T TURN >> LET'S HOPE THIS DOESN'T TURN INTO AN INDY GO SITUATION.

THERE INTO AN INDY GO SITUATION.

THERE IS A GENERAL SENTIMENT AROUND IS A GENERAL SENTIMENT AROUND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHEN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WHEN GOVERNOR HOLCOMB PROPOSED THIS GOVERNOR HOLCOMB PROPOSED THIS AND OBVIOUSLY THEY PUT A LOT OF AND OBVIOUSLY THEY PUT A LOT OF MONEY TOWARDS IT WHEN WE HAD ALL MONEY TOWARDS IT WHEN WE HAD ALL OF THIS MONEY TO SPEND THAT WE OF THIS MONEY TO SPEND THAT WE LIKED REGIONAL CITIES, THIS IS A LIKED REGIONAL CITIES, THIS IS A MORE ADVANCED TAKE ON IT, THIS MORE ADVANCED TAKE ON IT, THIS IS A GOOD THING.

BUT I HEARD IS A GOOD THING.

BUT I HEARD SOME PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATS SAY SOME PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATS SAY WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO IS DECIDING HOW THIS MONEY IS IS DECIDING HOW THIS MONEY IS SPENT.

THAT IT'S NOT JUST BIG SPENT.

THAT IT'S NOT JUST BIG BUSINESS, THAT IT'S YOU'RE BUSINESS, THAT IT'S YOU'RE GETTING MORE COMMUNITY, SMALL GETTING MORE COMMUNITY, SMALL BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY-BASED BUSINESSES, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS, HOW DO WE MAKE ORGANIZATIONS, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

SURE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> FIRST OFF TO YOUR INITIAL >> FIRST OFF TO YOUR INITIAL QUESTION, I KIND OF THOUGHT QUESTION, I KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AS A COLLEGE STUDENT ABOUT THIS AS A COLLEGE STUDENT WHERE YOU WALK IN A CLASS AND A WHERE YOU WALK IN A CLASS AND A PROFESSOR WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE PROFESSOR WOULD SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL DEADLINE, AND WOULD YOU HAVE DEADLINE, AND WOULD YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN THE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN THE CLASSROOM SAY, WHEW.

BASED ON MY CLASSROOM SAY, WHEW.

BASED ON MY RESEARCH FOR READI GRANTS, IT RESEARCH FOR READI GRANTS, IT WAS INSTITUTED TO REALLY STAND WAS INSTITUTED TO REALLY STAND IN THE GAP.

I THINK IT IS REALLY IN THE GAP.

I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THE TIME IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO BE MEASURED ABOUT HOW WE TO BE MEASURED ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH THAT, AND AS WE LOOK AT APPROACH THAT, AND AS WE LOOK AT A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT A LOT OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY PRESIDENT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN AS A RESULT OF THAT, I JOE BIDEN AS A RESULT OF THAT, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY MEASURE TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY MEASURE HOW WE STAND IN THE GAP, HOW WE HOW WE STAND IN THE GAP, HOW WE PROVIDE FOR EQUITABLE SOLUTIONS PROVIDE FOR EQUITABLE SOLUTIONS FOR DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND FOR DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT REALLY THE ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT REALLY THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE WAYS THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE WAYS THAT THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE DISTRIBUTED.

DISTRIBUTED.

>> REGIONAL CITIES, IT WAS >> REGIONAL CITIES, IT WAS REALLY ENDED UP BEING A ONE-TIME REALLY ENDED UP BEING A ONE-TIME THING, THIS IDEA THEY FOUND SOME THING, THIS IDEA THEY FOUND SOME MONEY WHICH AT THE TIME WAS TAX MONEY WHICH AT THE TIME WAS TAX AMNESTY PROGRAM, AND THEN IT WAS AMNESTY PROGRAM, AND THEN IT WAS JUST GONE.

IS THIS GOING TO BE JUST GONE.

IS THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE WHILE WE HAVE THIS ANOTHER ONE WHILE WE HAVE THIS MONEY NOW WE'LL SPEND IT ON THIS MONEY NOW WE'LL SPEND IT ON THIS AND IT WILL GO AWAY AND WE'LL DO AND IT WILL GO AWAY AND WE'LL DO FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

IS THERE A FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS WAY TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS MORE SUSTAINABLE?

MORE SUSTAINABLE?

>> I THINK WE'VE HAD A HISTORY >> I THINK WE'VE HAD A HISTORY IN INDIANA ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH IN INDIANA ON BOTH SIDES, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, HAVE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF THESE TYPES OF HAD A HISTORY OF THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS SHALL INDIANA FUND, 25 PROGRAMS SHALL INDIANA FUND, 25 YEARS AGO, WE'VE HAD VERSIONS OF YEARS AGO, WE'VE HAD VERSIONS OF THIS, PARTICULARLY THEY TEND TO THIS, PARTICULARLY THEY TEND TO COME UP WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD AND COME UP WHEN TIMES ARE GOOD AND REVENUES ARE STRONG, WHICH IS REVENUES ARE STRONG, WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

I DON'T THINK HOW IT SHOULD BE.

I DON'T THINK YOU READ ANYTHING IN THE YOU READ ANYTHING IN THE DEADLINE OTHER THAN THERE IS A DEADLINE OTHER THAN THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS.

THERE LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS.

THERE IS 91 COUNTIES, FOR THOSE IS 91 COUNTIES, FOR THOSE PARTNERING WITH OTHER COUNTIES, PARTNERING WITH OTHER COUNTIES, MUNICIPALITIES, NON-PROFITS, MUNICIPALITIES, NON-PROFITS, CORPORATIONS, THAT TAKES A LOT CORPORATIONS, THAT TAKES A LOT OF COORDINATION AND TIME, WHY OF COORDINATION AND TIME, WHY NOT GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO MAKE NOT GIVE THEM MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE BEST SURE THEY HAVE THE BEST APPLICATION PUT FORWARD.

APPLICATION PUT FORWARD.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FOLKS >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FOLKS TALK ABOUT WITH REGIONAL CITIES TALK ABOUT WITH REGIONAL CITIES WAS TRYING TO GET INDIANA WAS TRYING TO GET INDIANA COMMUNITIES TO STOP THINKING COMMUNITIES TO STOP THINKING QUITE SO SMALL IN TERMS OF HOW QUITE SO SMALL IN TERMS OF HOW THEY PARTNER TOGETHER.

IT WAS THEY PARTNER TOGETHER.

IT WAS VERY CITY VERSUS CITY, COUNTY VERY CITY VERSUS CITY, COUNTY VERSUS COUNTY.

THE WHOLE POINT VERSUS COUNTY.

THE WHOLE POINT WAS, NO, WE WANT YOU TO WORK WAS, NO, WE WANT YOU TO WORK MUCH MORE COLLECTIVELY.

THEY'RE MUCH MORE COLLECTIVELY.

THEY'RE DOING THAT AGAIN PERHAPS ON DOING THAT AGAIN PERHAPS ON BIGGER SCALE, CERTAINLY WITH BIGGER SCALE, CERTAINLY WITH MORE MONEY.

SO IS THAT MAYBE THE MORE MONEY.

SO IS THAT MAYBE THE BIGGEST LASTING IMPACT OF A BIGGEST LASTING IMPACT OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS IS FORCING PROGRAM LIKE THIS IS FORCING THESE COMMUNITIES TO GO, WELL, THESE COMMUNITIES TO GO, WELL, HEY, I DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE HEY, I DON'T HAVE TO COMPETE WITH MY NEIGHBOR QUITE SO MUCH?

WITH MY NEIGHBOR QUITE SO MUCH?

>> IT WOULD BE A GREAT BYPRODUCT >> IT WOULD BE A GREAT BYPRODUCT OF THIS PROCESS THAT PEOPLE OF THIS PROCESS THAT PEOPLE START TO THINK THAT WAY.

BUT START TO THINK THAT WAY.

BUT THAT PROBABLY IS A BIT THAT PROBABLY IS A BIT POLYANDISH.

YOU MENTION THE POLYANDISH.

YOU MENTION THE FUND, AND A FORMAL FASHION, THEY FUND, AND A FORMAL FASHION, THEY ARE ALWAYS DEPLETED WHEN THE ARE ALWAYS DEPLETED WHEN THE TIMES TURN SOUTH.

SO THAT MIGHT TIMES TURN SOUTH.

SO THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THERE, THEN YOU ALSO BE AN ISSUE THERE, THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT THIS NOTION OF LOOK AT THIS NOTION OF TERRITORITY, YOU SEE IT IN THE TERRITORITY, YOU SEE IT IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

IF LAWMAKERS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

IF LAWMAKERS ARE SAYING WE WANT YOU TO THINK ARE SAYING WE WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE STATE OR ABOUT A ABOUT THE STATE OR ABOUT A REGION, WHAT DO YOU TELL THE REGION, WHAT DO YOU TELL THE LAWMAKERS WHO DON'T WANT TO DO LAWMAKERS WHO DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR INDIANAPOLIS SOMETHING FOR INDIANAPOLIS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMEHOW THE BECAUSE THAT'S SOMEHOW THE ENEMY, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE ENEMY, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE STATE CAPITOL AND PROBABLY WOULD STATE CAPITOL AND PROBABLY WOULD RAISE THE TIDE THAT LIFTS ALL RAISE THE TIDE THAT LIFTS ALL BOATS.

WE SEE THE FIEFDOMS AND BOATS.

WE SEE THE FIEFDOMS AND THIS INFIGHTING REGARDLESS OF THIS INFIGHTING REGARDLESS OF PARTY IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

PARTY IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

SO FOR THEM TO PROCLAIM IT AS SO FOR THEM TO PROCLAIM IT AS WE'VE MOVED PAST THAT, IT'S TIME WE'VE MOVED PAST THAT, IT'S TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO JOIN HAND IN A FOR EVERYBODY TO JOIN HAND IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER, IT IS NOT COLLECTIVE MANNER, IT IS NOT REALLY REALISTIC.

REALLY REALISTIC.

>> PERHAPS WE MAY HAVE >> PERHAPS WE MAY HAVE UNDERESTIMATED HOW DIFFICULT UNDERESTIMATED HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS TO GET ALL THESE REGIONS THAT IS TO GET ALL THESE REGIONS TO WORK TOGETHER.

GREAT CONCEPT.

TO WORK TOGETHER.

GREAT CONCEPT.

YOU LOOK AT HAMILTON COUNTY, YOU LOOK AT HAMILTON COUNTY, MARION COUNTY, Y'ALL HAVE MARION COUNTY, Y'ALL HAVE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.

I THINK DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO TO KEEP THAT IS SOMETHING ALSO TO KEEP IN MIND.

IN MIND.

>> ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO >> ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD, WHICH IS TO DIFFERENTIATE ADD, WHICH IS TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM REGIONAL CITIES, I ASKED FROM REGIONAL CITIES, I ASKED HIM A SUSTAINABILITY QUESTION.

HIM A SUSTAINABILITY QUESTION.

IT WAS THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN IT WAS THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY FOR THAT AND THERE WAS NO SECOND FOR THAT AND THERE WAS NO SECOND ROUND.

THIS ONE THEY BUILT IN A ROUND.

THIS ONE THEY BUILT IN A LOT OF MONEY, THAT FIRST ROUND LOT OF MONEY, THAT FIRST ROUND REALLY WILL HAVE A SECOND ROUND.

REALLY WILL HAVE A SECOND ROUND.

>> TO BE FAIR, UNDER REGIONAL >> TO BE FAIR, UNDER REGIONAL CITIES, IT WAS LIKE A HUGE CITIES, IT WAS LIKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO JUST LIKE TWO AMOUNT OF MONEY TO JUST LIKE TWO PROJECTS.

THIS ARE MUCH SMALLER PROJECTS.

THIS ARE MUCH SMALLER INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, TARGETED INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, TARGETED PROJECTS.

SO THEY DID -- PROJECTS.

SO THEY DID -- >> MORE MONEY FOR EVEN MORE >> MORE MONEY FOR EVEN MORE PROJECTS.

PROJECTS.

>> BUT SMALLER PROJECTS.

>> BUT SMALLER PROJECTS.

>> RIGHT, SMALLER PROJECTS.

>> RIGHT, SMALLER PROJECTS.

INDIANA HAD TO PAY MORE THAN 800 INDIANA HAD TO PAY MORE THAN 800 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN A FAILED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE PUBLIC FROM ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE PUBLIC FROM GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE GETTING INFORMATION ABOUT THE DRUGS IT USES FOR LETHAL DRUGS IT USES FOR LETHAL INJECTION.

INJECTION.

>> >> THE PAYOUT CAME AT THE END OF A THE PAYOUT CAME AT THE END OF A SIX-YEAR-LONG LAWSUIT, FILED BY SIX-YEAR-LONG LAWSUIT, FILED BY WASHINGTON, D.C. ATTORNEY WASHINGTON, D.C. ATTORNEY KATHERINE TOOMEY.

SHE HAD FILED KATHERINE TOOMEY.

SHE HAD FILED A RECORDS REQUEST IN 2014, A RECORDS REQUEST IN 2014, SEEKING DETAILS ABOUT THE DRUGS SEEKING DETAILS ABOUT THE DRUGS INDIANA USES IN LETHAL INDIANA USES IN LETHAL INJECTIONS.

INJECTIONS.

BEYOND THE 800 THOUSAND IN LEGAL BEYOND THE 800 THOUSAND IN LEGAL FEES, THE STATE ALSO DISCLOSED FEES, THE STATE ALSO DISCLOSED THAT ALL OF ITS LETHAL INJECTION THAT ALL OF ITS LETHAL INJECTION DRUGS ARE EXPIRED AND IT HASN'T DRUGS ARE EXPIRED AND IT HASN'T PURCHASED ANYMORE.

PURCHASED ANYMORE.

>> >> NIKI KELLY, LAWMAKERS STEPPED NIKI KELLY, LAWMAKERS STEPPED INTO THIS ISSUE IN THE MIDDLE OF INTO THIS ISSUE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CASE, DID THEY NOT?

THE CASE, DID THEY NOT?

>> YEAH.

THEY ACTUALLY WON A >> YEAH.

THEY ACTUALLY WON A COURT RULING IN '16, THE PERSON COURT RULING IN '16, THE PERSON SUING, AND IN '17 AT 2:00 A.M., SUING, AND IN '17 AT 2:00 A.M., IN THE MORNING, THE LEGISLATURE IN THE MORNING, THE LEGISLATURE PUT IN A RETROACTIVE STATE LAW.

PUT IN A RETROACTIVE STATE LAW.

>> DID THEY PUT THAT INTO THE >> DID THEY PUT THAT INTO THE BUDGET?

BUDGET?

>> YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

>> YEAH, I BELIEVE SO.

SOMEWHERE, ALONG THE WAY, THE SOMEWHERE, ALONG THE WAY, THE JUDGE SAID YOU'RE TRYING TO GET JUDGE SAID YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND MY ORDER, THE SUPREME AROUND MY ORDER, THE SUPREME COURT AGREED AND THEY FOINLT COURT AGREED AND THEY FOINLT FINISHED UP.

I THINK WE NEED TO FINISHED UP.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEXT STEP, DO WE LOOK AT THE NEXT STEP, DO WE STILL HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY STILL HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY HERE?

HERE?

WE HAVEN'T PUT ANYONE ON SINCE WE HAVEN'T PUT ANYONE ON SINCE '13.

WE HAVEN'T EXECUTED ANYONE '13.

WE HAVEN'T EXECUTED ANYONE SINCE 2009.

WE HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE SINCE 2009.

WE HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE THERE, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE THERE, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE EXHAUSTED THEIR APPEALS FOR EXHAUSTED THEIR APPEALS FOR YEARS.

AND THEY'RE JUST SITTING YEARS.

AND THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE THERE >> THIS IS NOW VERY PUBLIC >> THIS IS NOW VERY PUBLIC INFORMATION, WHICH IS THAT THE INFORMATION, WHICH IS THAT THE STATE CAN'T USE THE DRUGS IT STATE CAN'T USE THE DRUGS IT HAS, AND IT HASN'T ORDERED ANY HAS, AND IT HASN'T ORDERED ANY MORE.

THERE IS EFFECTIVELY NOT A MORE.

THERE IS EFFECTIVELY NOT A DEATH PENALTY AT THE MOMENT IN DEATH PENALTY AT THE MOMENT IN INDIANA.

IF YOU WERE PROSECUTOR, INDIANA.

IF YOU WERE PROSECUTOR, YOU LIKE HAVING AS MANY TOOLS IN YOU LIKE HAVING AS MANY TOOLS IN YOUR BAG AS YOU CAN, RIGHT?

YOUR BAG AS YOU CAN, RIGHT?

>> A HELL OF A TOOL.

>> A HELL OF A TOOL.

>> IT IS.

DO YOU REALLY STILL >> IT IS.

DO YOU REALLY STILL HAVE THAT TOOL ANYMORE?

HAVE THAT TOOL ANYMORE?

>> I SUPPOSE YOU COULD USE THAT >> I SUPPOSE YOU COULD USE THAT AS A BLUDGEON -- WHO KNOWS IF AS A BLUDGEON -- WHO KNOWS IF THE STATE WILL GO TO A THE STATE WILL GO TO A GUILLOTINE OR HANGING, THERE ARE GUILLOTINE OR HANGING, THERE ARE SOME WHO WOULD LINE UP TO ALTER SOME WHO WOULD LINE UP TO ALTER THAT BILL.

THE SAD THING, THERE THAT BILL.

THE SAD THING, THERE IS ANY NOTION THAT THIS IS ANY NOTION THAT THIS INFORMATION ISN'T PUBLIC, ALL OF INFORMATION ISN'T PUBLIC, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE STATE OF THE THINGS THAT THE STATE OF INDIANA DOES AS A GOVERNMENT, INDIANA DOES AS A GOVERNMENT, PAVING ROADS, RUNNING SCHOOLS, I PAVING ROADS, RUNNING SCHOOLS, I MEAN, YOU NAME IT, THE ONE THING MEAN, YOU NAME IT, THE ONE THING THAT SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE A THAT SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE A UNIQUE POWER AND AUTHORITY UNDER UNIQUE POWER AND AUTHORITY UNDER OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS TO END OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS TO END SOMEONE'S LIFE.

AND THE NOTION SOMEONE'S LIFE.

AND THE NOTION THAT THAT IS SOMEHOW HAS TO BE A THAT THAT IS SOMEHOW HAS TO BE A SECRET, AMONG ALL OF THESE OTHER SECRET, AMONG ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS IS INSANE.

AND MY THINGS IS INSANE.

AND MY APOLOGIES -- I AM A FIRST APOLOGIES -- I AM A FIRST AMENDMENT ABSOLUTIST AND A AMENDMENT ABSOLUTIST AND A PUBLIC RECORDS ABSOLUTIST, SO I PUBLIC RECORDS ABSOLUTIST, SO I GUESS I WON'T APOLOGIZE TO GUESS I WON'T APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE ANYONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE ARE A FEW FRIENDS OF MINE WHO ARE A FEW FRIENDS OF MINE WHO HAVE APPARENTLY FALLEN INTO HAVE APPARENTLY FALLEN INTO CONFUSION ON THIS ISSUE.

BUT MY CONFUSION ON THIS ISSUE.

BUT MY CLARITY IS INTACT.

THIS IS -- IF CLARITY IS INTACT.

THIS IS -- IF ANYTHING SHOULD BE PUBLIC, IT IS ANYTHING SHOULD BE PUBLIC, IT IS THIS.

THIS.

>> NIKI, WHY WAS THIS >> NIKI, WHY WAS THIS CONTROVERSIAL IN -- WHY WAS THIS CONTROVERSIAL IN -- WHY WAS THIS SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO SHIELD FROM THE PUBLIC?

SHIELD FROM THE PUBLIC?

>> I THINK THERE WAS A MOVEMENT >> I THINK THERE WAS A MOVEMENT ACROSS THE NATION WHEN THEY ACROSS THE NATION WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THE MANUFACTURER OF FOUND OUT THE MANUFACTURER OF THE DRUGS, THEN THERE WOULD BE THE DRUGS, THEN THERE WOULD BE LIKE A BOYCOTT AGAINST THAT LIKE A BOYCOTT AGAINST THAT MANUFACTURER.

SO THE MANUFACTURER.

SO THE MANUFACTURERS DIDN'T WANT TO BE MANUFACTURERS DIDN'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS BEING PART OF AN IDENTIFIED AS BEING PART OF AN EXECUTION.

EXECUTION.

>> WHAT A SHAME.

>> WHAT A SHAME.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW I'M GOING >> ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THE FUNDAMENTAL TO ASK YOU THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, SHOULD WE STILL HAVE QUESTION, SHOULD WE STILL HAVE THE DEATH PENALTY IN INDIANA?

THE DEATH PENALTY IN INDIANA?

>> I'M A CONSERVATIVE, I DON'T >> I'M A CONSERVATIVE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD.

I DON'T TRUST THINK WE SHOULD.

I DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THIS THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THIS RIGHT.

RIGHT.

>> THE MOST CRITICAL.

THE MOST >> THE MOST CRITICAL.

THE MOST CRITICAL THING.

IT'S A PERSON'S CRITICAL THING.

IT'S A PERSON'S LIFE.

AND IF ANY GOVERNMENT HAS LIFE.

AND IF ANY GOVERNMENT HAS EVER GOTTEN IT WRONG, WE KNOW EVER GOTTEN IT WRONG, WE KNOW THIS ONE AND OTHERS HAVE.

THEN THIS ONE AND OTHERS HAVE.

THEN THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT POWER.

THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT POWER.

>> SAME QUESTION.

>> SAME QUESTION.

>> I'M GOING TO DEFLECT ON THIS >> I'M GOING TO DEFLECT ON THIS THE GOVERNMENT GETTING IT WRONG.

THE GOVERNMENT GETTING IT WRONG.

IT IS A MORAL PIECE FOR ME.

IT IS A MORAL PIECE FOR ME.

>> BUT I DO THINK IT'S WRONG, >> BUT I DO THINK IT'S WRONG, AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO RID AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO RID OURSELVES IN INDIANA OF IT.

LIKE OURSELVES IN INDIANA OF IT.

LIKE I SAID, I WILL SORT OF DEFLECT I SAID, I WILL SORT OF DEFLECT ON THE GOVERNMENT PIECE.

ON THE GOVERNMENT PIECE.

>> AND LASTLY, NIKI, IS THERE >> AND LASTLY, NIKI, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ANY CHANCE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TAKES AWAY THE DEATH PENALTY?

TAKES AWAY THE DEATH PENALTY?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, >> I DON'T KNOW.

LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SURE -- AT SOME POINT, I'M NOT SURE -- AT SOME POINT, SOMEONE, THESE PEOPLE SITTING SOMEONE, THESE PEOPLE SITTING THERE UNDER EXECUTION DATE, YOU THERE UNDER EXECUTION DATE, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE YEARS, MAYBE THEY KNOW, FOR FIVE YEARS, MAYBE THEY CAN ARGUE, LOOK, CAN WE JUST CAN ARGUE, LOOK, CAN WE JUST CONVERT THIS TO LIFE WITHOUT CONVERT THIS TO LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE?

PAROLE?

>> THAT'S EASY FOR LAWMAKERS WHO >> THAT'S EASY FOR LAWMAKERS WHO NEVER WANT TO GO ON RECORD NEVER WANT TO GO ON RECORD VOTING AGAINST THE DEATH VOTING AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR PENALTY, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

NOBODY IS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

NOBODY IS BEING EXECUTED.

THEY CAN SAY I'M BEING EXECUTED.

THEY CAN SAY I'M BEHIND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

BEHIND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

>> >> FINALLY, THE OLYMPICS ARE COMING FINALLY, THE OLYMPICS ARE COMING TO AN END, A VERY DIFFERENT TO AN END, A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE IN TOKYO THIS YEAR EXPERIENCE IN TOKYO THIS YEAR AMID COVID-19 LIMITATIONS.

BUT AMID COVID-19 LIMITATIONS.

BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME NEW SPORTS, THERE WERE ALSO SOME NEW SPORTS, INCLUDING SKATEBOARDING AND INCLUDING SKATEBOARDING AND SURFING.

SURFING.

MIKE O'BRIEN, IF YOU COULD ADD A MIKE O'BRIEN, IF YOU COULD ADD A SPORT TO THE OLYMPIC GAMES, WHAT SPORT TO THE OLYMPIC GAMES, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

WOULD IT BE?

>> NIKI AND I HAVE THE SAME ONE, >> NIKI AND I HAVE THE SAME ONE, I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL IT FROM I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL IT FROM HER, ESPECIALLY SINCE I ACCUSED HER, ESPECIALLY SINCE I ACCUSED HER OF -- JOURNALISM, YOU SHOULD HER OF -- JOURNALISM, YOU SHOULD GET A LETTER THAT YOU'VE BEEN GET A LETTER THAT YOU'VE BEEN SELECTED AS A CITIZEN OF THE SELECTED AS A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES.

A PUBLIC SERVICE, UNITED STATES.

A PUBLIC SERVICE, YOU GOT TO BE IN THE OLYMPICS.

YOU GOT TO BE IN THE OLYMPICS.

>> INITIALLY I HEARD THIS, MAYBE >> INITIALLY I HEARD THIS, MAYBE ONLINE SHOPPING.

ONLINE SHOPPING.

>> THAT IS COMPETITIVE.

>> THAT IS COMPETITIVE.

>> BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER LAST >> BUT, YOU KNOW, AFTER LAST WEEKEND, WITH SOME BUDDIES, ANY WEEKEND, WITH SOME BUDDIES, ANY OF Y'ALL EVER PLAYED SPADES?

OF Y'ALL EVER PLAYED SPADES?

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN >> A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN UECKER.

UECKER.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

>> CORNHOLE TOURNAMENTS.

>> CORNHOLE TOURNAMENTS.

>> I LIKE THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

>> I LIKE THAT.

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