>> THE HOUSE PURSUES IMPEACHMENT.

BRAUN ENDORSES AND GETS ENDORSED.

PLUS, A NEW HEAD OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER AND MORE.

FROM THE TELEVISION STUDIOS AT WFYI, IT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 15, 2023.

>> INDIANA WEEKLY REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF THE INDIANA BROADCASTING STATIONS.

>> THIS WEEK, U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER KEVIN MCCARTHY ANNOUNCED THE HOUSE WILL INITIATE AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AGAINST PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, THOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE YET TO UNCOVER ANY WRONGDOING BY THE DEMOCRAT.

SOME OF THE MORE CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE GOP CAUCUS HAD BEEN PUSHING FOR IMPEACHMENT SINCE BEFORE BIDEN WAS SWORN IN MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO.

MCCARTHY HAD SO FAR RESISTED THOSE CALLS, BUT NOW ALLEGES BIDEN LIED ABOUT HIS PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE OF HIS FAMILY'S FOREIGN BUSINESS DEALINGS.

HOUSE COMMITTEES HAVE INVESTIGATED BIDEN'S SON HUNTER FOR MONTHS, BUT HAVE NOT UNCOVERED ANY DIRECT FINANCIAL CONNECTION BETWEEN HUNTER'S BUSINESS DEALINGS AND THE PRESIDENT.

DESPITE MCCARTHY'S MOVE, SOME ON THE FAR RIGHT ARE STILL ARGUING POTENTIAL IMPEACHMENT ISN'T MOVING FAST ENOUGH, WITH FLORIDA CONGRESSMAN MATT GAETZ EVEN THREATENING TO MAKE A MOVE TO OUST MCCARTHY FROM THE SPEAKERSHIP.

EVEN IF IMPEACHED, IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY BIDEN WILL BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

DOING SO WOULD REQUIRE TWO-THIRDS OF THE SENATE TO CONVICT HIM - A CHAMBER CONTROLLED BY DEMOCRATS.

HOW DOES MCCARTHY'S IMPEACHMENT MOVE IMPACT THE PRESIDENT AND HOUSE REPUBLICANS?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN CHRIS MITCHEM JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF THE INDIANA CAPITAL CHRONICLE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE BUREAU CHIEF BRANDON SMITH.

ANN DELANEY, ULTIMATELY, DO YOU THINK BIDEN WILL BE IMPEACHED?

>> NO, NO.

>> REALLY?

>> I DON'T THINK KEVIN McCARTHY THINKS THAT EITHER BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE PUT IT TO A VOTE, WHICH HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

IF YOU NEED MORE EVIDENCE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN WASHINGTON AND MAYBE IN INDIANA THAT THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY THEIR RIGHT-WINGED NUTS, THIS IS IT.

YOU HAVE THE MARJORIE GREENS.

THEY DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN IS PRESIDENT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION.

THEY CAN PUSH MCCARTHY TO DO THIS, SO HE LOOKS LIKE THERE WILL BE AN ACTUAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT JOE BIDEN DID WAS WRONG.

ULTIMATELY, IT IS GOING TO FAIL, BUT IT IS GOING THE PUT MODERATE REPUBLICANS IN A BAD POSITION.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BACKFIRE.

>> KEVIN McCARTHY SEEMS LIKE HE IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE HERE.

HE HAS MODERATE RELATIONSHIP REPUBLICANS THEN HE HAS HIS FAR RIGHT FLANK WHO STILL REPRESENT HAPPY.

WHAT IS KEVIN MCCARTHY TO DO HERE?

>> YOU CAN SAY HE IS STUCK BETWEEN AN IMPEACHMENT AND A HARD PLACE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS FROM THE FAR RIGHT GOING THROUGH WITH THE INQUIRY AND ALSO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL POTENTIAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THAT PART OF THE PARTY WANT HIM TO CUT THE DRASTIC SPENDING.

I THINK HE HAD TO CHOOSE ONE OF THESE TO KEEP THE OTHER SIDE AT BAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE SITUATION HELPS ANYBODY.

I REMEMBER WHEN IMPEACHMENTS USED TO MEAN SOMETHING AND, OBVIOUSLY, THE DEMOCRATS STARTED IN 2016 WITH VERY LITTLE INFORMATION.

NOW, ACCORDING TO THEM THE STNDARD AND REPUBLICANS ARE ADOPTING IT NOW, THE STANDARD IS NO LONGER YOU VIOLATED A STATUTE AND YOU ARE A CRIMINAL AND YOU SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.

OUR PARTY DID SOMETHING OR YOU DID SOMETHING OUR PARTY DOESN'T LIKE AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THE IMPEACHMENT TO OPEN UP MORE INVESTIGATIONS AND USE IT AS POLITICAL FODDERS.

DEMOCRATS STARTED IN 2016.

>> WE DON'T KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP.

>> BUT THE IMPEACHMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

>> NOT THE FIRST ONE, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IMPACTS JOE BIDEN, THE IMPEACHMENTS, PLURAL OF DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T SEEM TO AFFECT DONALD TRUMP VERY MUNICIPAL.

HOW DOES THIS AFFECT JOE BIDEN AS HE LOOKS AHEAD TO 2024?

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTION MARKS ABOUT HIS RE-ELECT IEBILITY, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK RELATED TO THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

>> IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN WERE PLANNING ON THIS FOR MONTHS.

THEY ALREADY WERE -- THIS WAS HARDLY A SURPRISE.

SO, THEIR STRATEGY, IN SIMPLE TERMS IS, YOU KNOW, DISMISS, SORT OF IN AS IF IT IS A JOKE OR COMPARTMENTALIZE AND TRY TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE MESSAGE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION FRANKLY HAD TROUBLE CONVEYING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, I KNOW BREAD AND MILK IS STILL EXPENSIVE, GAS IS MORE THAN WHAT WE WANT TO PAY, BUT THE ECONOMY, BY THE TRADITIONAL MEASUREMENTS THAT ECONOMISTS LOOK LIKE IS PRETTY HEALTHY.

HE CAN'T LOOK AT HELPING AVERAGE HOOSIERS THEN THAT HELPS HIM.

IF HE CAN COMPARTMENTALIZE, IF HE CAN, IN FACT, TREAT IT AS A GNAT, A FLY, A SIDE SHOW.

I DO THINK REPUBLICANS RUN A RISK, HERE, TOO, NOT ONLY THE REASON MENTIONED ABOUT THE MODERATE, BUT IF REPUBLICANS ARE SEEN AS FOCUSING ALL OF THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION ON THIS, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT, WE SEE NO EVIDENCE YET.

THE THREE COMMITTEES ARE CHARGED TO DO THIS INQUIRY WERE ALREADY INVESTIGATING BEFOREHAND.

>> THERE IS NOTHING NEW HAPPENING.

>> NO NEW EVIDENCE.

SO, WITH REPUBLICANS ARE SEEN AS JUST NOT KEEPING THEIR EYE ON THE ECONOMIC BALL AND WHAT VOTERS SENT THEM THERE TO DO, THEN IT COULD HAVE BACKLASH FOR PEPREPRESENT REPRESENTS.

>> IT DOES FEEL LIKE IF THERE IS A WILDCARD, THE IMPEACHMENT OF DONALD TRUMP.

REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO TIE HUNTER BIDEN, THERE IS SMOKE, THERE IS FIRE.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF INDIRECT EVIDENCE THERE.

>> IT STRONGLY APPEARS THAT HE PROBABLY BROKE THE LAW AT LEAST IN SOME WAY, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM JOE BIDEN HAVING DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

>> FRANKLY, IT IS NOT INDIRECT EVIDENCE AGAINST HUNTER BIDEN.

HE HAS BEEN INDICTED ON MULTIPLE CHARGES.

THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WONDER IF THIS IS GOING TO DO THE SAME THING THAT WE'VE SEEN ON TRUMP SIDE, WHICH IS REALLY JUST GIN THE BASE UP.

EVERY TIME TRUMP GETS INDICTED, HIS NUMBERS GO UP.

>> ON THE HUNTER BIDEN THING, DID HE DO SOMETHING HE SHOULDN'T?

ABSOLUTELY, BUT CHECKING THE WRONG BOX TO GET A GUN WHEN REPUBLICANS WANT TO ISSUE THEM AT BIRTH AND HANDING IT BACK IN AFTER 11 DAYS DOES NOT SEEM THE KIND OF CONDUCT.

>> IT IS A BROKEN LAW.

>> IT IS A BROKEN LAW.

>> I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT THOUGH.

>> NOT TO BE PROSECUTED FOR ANYBODY.

>> THAT IS FOR EVERYBODY SAYING HE IS GETTING SPECIAL TREATMENT.

>> I THINK JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO GET IMPEACHED BECAUSE KEVIN MCCARTHY CANNOT WRITE A CHECK THAT CANNOT BE CASHED.

HOW BAD WILL IT LOOK YOU SAY, WE'RE GOING TO IMPEACH THIS PRESIDENT.

>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE VOTES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS THE VOTES.

>> IF HE HAS THE VOTES THEN WHY DIDN'T HE CALL FOR AN IMPEACHMENT?

>> NANCY PELOSI DID IS SAME THING.

>> SHE HAD THE VOTES.

>> SHE STILL WAITED A WHILE.

A NONIMPEACHMENT LOOKS LIKE AN EXONERATION.

>> THAT IS GOOD.

I WANT YOU TO VERIFY THAT WHEN HE DOESN'T GET IMPEACHED.

>> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEED BACK.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION, DOES PRESIDENT BIDEN DESERVE TO BE IMPEACHED?

LAST WEEK WE ASK YOU IF A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE CAN WIN THE 2024 RACE FOR GOVERNOR?

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

U.S.

SENATOR MIKE BRAUN PICKED UP A MAJOR ENDORSEMENT FOR HIS CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR THIS WEEK, AND MADE AN ENDORSEMENT OF HIS OWN, BACKING CONGRESSMAN JIM BANKS TO REPLACE HIM IN THE SENATE.

CLUB FOR GROWTH, A NATIONAL CONSERVATIVE ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION, ANNOUNCED IT IS ENDORSING BRAUN IN THE CROWDED REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR INDIANA'S OPEN GOVERNOR'S SEAT.

THE GROUP'S PRESIDENT, DAVID MCINTOSH - A FORMER INDIANA CONGRESSMAN WHO RAN AN UNSUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN FOR GOVERNOR IN 2000 - CALLED BRAUN A "PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FIGHTER."

CLUB FOR GROWTH PREVIOUSLY BACKED BRAUN IN HIS 2018 U.S. SENATE BID.

AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN PLAY IN INDIANA POLITICS THIS YEAR, RUNNING AN ATTACK AD AGAINST FORMER GOVERNOR MITCH DANIELS AS HE MULLED A POTENTIAL SENATE BID AGAINST CONGRESSMAN JIM BANKS.

BRAUN THIS WEEK ALSO ANNOUNCED U.S. SENATE SEAT HE'S LEAVING OPEN WITH HIS RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

>> NORMALLY IT IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE IT TENDS TO COME WITH A LOT OF MONEY.

THERE IS SO MUCH MONEY IN THIS RACE.

DOES THIS ENDORSEMENT LACK SOME OF THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE HAVE?

>> IN THE POLITICAL ACTIVISM SENSE, IT DOES NOT.

ONE OF THEIR TALKING APPOINTMENTS IS YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR ADS AND YOU SAW THAT WITH MITCH DANIELSS.

THIS GIVES MIKE BRAUN CARTE BLANCHE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO.

I THINK THEY HAD OVER $60 MILLION IN THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE AND THAT WAS NOT A PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE.

THAT GIVES HIM CARTE BLANCHE TO SAY, HEY, THEY ENDORSED ME, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY ENDORSE THIS MESSAGE.- YOU HAVE SEEN THEM ALL ON THE DIFFERENT TV AIRWAYS OF CRAZY COMMERCIALS THAT A PERSON RUNNING FOR OFFICE CAN SEPARATE HIMSELF FROM BECAUSE HE DOESN'T >> I THINK CLUB FOR GROWTH CARRIES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WAIT, I WOULD THINK WITH REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS.

>> YOU HAVE THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTERS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS WHO THIS MIGHT CARRY SOME WEIGHT WITH SPLIT IN THIS ENDEAVOR ALREADY.

>> I THINK THAT IS WHY IT IS A BIGGER DEAL, RIGHT?

>> IT MIGHT COALESCE.

>> AS AN OUTSIDER, THIS WORKS INTO YOUR MESSAGE.

THIS IS MORE OF THE SAME.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IF YOU WANT EMPHASIS ON ECONOMIC GROWTH AND NOT ON THE SOCIAL ISSUES AND NOT ON THE STUFF THAT DIVIDES US, YOU DON'T GO WITH HIM.

I'M NOT SURE THE MONEY CARRIES A LOT OF WEIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE SO MANY HEAVY HITTERS THAT CAN WRITE CHECKS OF THEIR OWN TO COUNTER THAT, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT EXCEPT FOR THE TV STATIONS.

>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ENDORSEMENT.

TECHNICALLY THERE IS ANOTHER REPUBLICAN RUNNING, JOHN RUSS, SO JIM BANKS IS CERTAINLY THE ASSUMED NOMINEE.

I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY -- MIKE BRAUN IS GOING TO CHANGE THAT RACE.

DOES JIM BANKS ENDORSE IN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE?

>> IF I WERE HIM, I WOULDN'T.

HE HAS BEEN ENDORSED BY SUSAN CROUCH AN MIKE BRAUN AND I THINK IT IS BEST TO STAY OUT OF IT.

WE KNOW JIM BANKS LIKES TO TAKE POSITIONS.

HE IS NOT AFRAID TO TAKE POSITIONS.

>> HE LIKES TO MIX THINGS.

>> MAYBE WE WILL SEE THAT IN THE COMING FUTURE.

>> WOULD A JIM BANKS' ENDORSEMENT HAVE AN IMPACT?

>> NEGATIVE.

>> IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, NOT REPRESENT REPRESENT PRIMARY.

>> AT THE GENERAL MARGINAL.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE A RACE THAT IS SO SPLINTERED, I GUESS, I HAVE SAID BEFORE, LEADING IN THE MONEY RACE IS NEVER A BAD THING.

GETTING ENDORSEMENTS, 99% OF THE TIME IS NEVER A BAD THING.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, YEAH.

>> EXACTLY THE SORT OF RACE WHERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALK ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MAJOR CANDIDATES, PERCENTAGE POINTS.

>> ENDORSEMENTS MATTER WHEN VOTERS, PRIMARY VOTERS DON'T KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE.

THEY KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE.

THEY ALREADY LINED UP, I THINK BEHIND WHICH ONE THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT.

>> MAYBE NOT YET WITH SOME OF THE.

>> MAYBE NOT.

MAYBE NOT.

>> ENDORSEMENTS CAN BE A FLASH IN THE PAN, YOU GET US TALKING ABOUT IT OR YOU GET A HEADLINE OR TWO IN A GIVEN WEEK AND THAT DOESN'T DO MUCH MAYBE.

IF THE CLUB FOR GROWTH IS GOING TO SUSTAIN IT IN TERMS OF GROUND SUPPORT, IN TERMS OF ONGOING FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT IS THE KIND OF THING, MORE THAN RAISING A FLAG SAYING, WE LIKE THIS PERSON.

>> IT WILL BE VERY NICE TO SEE THE CLUB FOR GROWTH -- >> I DON'T THINK HE IS GOING TO DISPATCH HIS VOLUNTEERS TO WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

>> YOU CAN ARGUE IF SOW ZAYN CROUCH GOT THIS ENDORSEMENT, IT IS A BIGGER DEAL.

WITH BRAUN.

>> IT IS MORE MORE ABOUT WHO HE IS NOT ENDORSING THAN WHO HE IS ENDORSING.

>> SUZANNE CROUCH HAS TWO CONGRESSIONAL ENDORSEMENTS.

>> I GRANT YOU ABOUT THE NEWS IS A DEPARTURE FROM THE NORM.

IF JENNIFER MCCORMICK GOT THE ENDORSEMENT THEN IT IS NEWS.

>> THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE NAMED ITS NEW LEADER THIS WEEK, AFTER LONGTIME PRESIDENT AND CEO KEVIN BRINEGAR ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT LAST YEAR.

VANESSA GREEN SINDERS WILL STEP INTO THE ROLE, BEGINNING NEXT MONTH.

SINDERS HAS WORKED FOR TWO DECADES ON POLICY IN WASHINGTON, DC.

THAT INCLUDES LEADING THE LOBBYING WORK OF A HOTEL TRADE GROUP AND CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS.

SHE'S ONLY LIVED IN INDIANA FOR A YEAR, MOVING HERE WITH HER HUSBAND, A HOOSIER NATIVE.

AND SHE SAYS ONCE SHE STARTED NETWORKING, SHE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CHAMBER POSITION.

VANESSA GREEN SINDERS: I WANTED MY NEXT PROFESSIONAL MOVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON MY COMMUNITY, AS MOST OF MY ROLES IN D.C.

WERE MORE NATIONALLY FOCUSED.

>> SINDERS SAYS HER FOCUS AS SHE TAKES THE HELM WILL BE ON COLLABORATION AND ACTING ON FEEDBACK.

VANESSA GREEN SINDERS: I THINK THE CHAMBER HAS A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE IN PROVIDING THE RESOURCES AND SUPPORT TO THE STATE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WORKFORCE IS BEST POSITIONED, THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE BEST POSITIONED.

>> SINDERS IS THE FIRST WOMAN TO BE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER.

>> JON SCHWANTES, CONSIDERING HER PREDECESSOR'S TRACK RECORD, WHAT ARE REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS AT THE HEAD OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER?

>> KEVIN DID A LOT OVER TWO DECADES OF LEADERSHIP.

HE WAS A CONSTANT FORCE IN THAT ORGANIZATION, SO SHE HAS A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW.

WHAT IS TOUGH FOR HER, SHE INHERITS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS STILL A HUGE HEAVYWEIGHT, A FORCE IN THE STATE HOUSE, BUT IT IS MORE NUANCED THAN IT USED TO BE.

USED TO BE WHAT IS GOOD FOR GENERAL MOTORS IS GOOD FOR AMERICA.

BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE MAKEUP OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUSES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY BUSINESS IS ALWAYS RIGHT, WE'VE SEEN THE SCHISM COME UP OVER EMPLOY RIGHTS AND VACCINATIONS AND SMOKING AND GUNS.

IT IS NOT JUST IF IT IS GOOD FOR BUSINESS, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN THE CHAMBER, WHETHER IT IS REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, WHETHER IT IS CHOICE OF LIFESTYLE.

>> THE CIVIL RIGHTS PROTECTIONS.

>> HATE CRIMES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, IT IS NOT A SLAM DUNK ANYMORE.

IT IS MORE NUANCED AND IT WILL BE UP TO HER TO TRY TO KEEP HER CAUCUS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

THAT IS NOT A MONOLITHIC ENTITY EITHER.

I'M GUILTY OF THIS, VERY MUCH THIS SIDE IS OVER HERE, THIS SIDE IS OVER THERE.

>> BLACK AND WHITE.

>> NOW EVERYTHING IS MUCH MORE NUANCED.

>> THE CHAMBER IS ONE OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS OF THE STATE HOUSE.

WHILE IT WILL BE A NEW LEADER, IT IS NOT LIKE SHE IS BRINGING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE ORGANIZATION.

THE LEADERSHIP TEAM UNDERNEATH HER IS PRETTY STEADY AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME -- >> AS FAR AS WE KNOW.

SHE MIGHT WANT TO -- >> THAT'S TRUE.

THERE HAS BEEN TRANSITIONS THERE, BUT IN TERMS OF THEIR ADVOCACY AT THAT TIME STATE HOUSE, DO YOU EXPECT MUCH TO CHANGE, AT LEAST INITIALLY?

>> PROBABLY NOT.

THEY HAD A SYSTEM ALREADY TO COME UP WITH THEIR AGENDA ITEMS AND USED THEIR SENIORVICE PRESIDENTS AND IN CERTAIN AREAS, EDUCATION, TAXATION, TO COME ONE THAT, SO THAT WILL PROBABLY GENERALLY BE THE SAME PROCESS.

I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING, BECAUSE I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE NAMES THAT APPLIED FOR THAT JOB AND THEY ARE BIG HITTERS.

I FIND IT INTERESTING AND IMPRESSIVE THAT THEY WENT WITH SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE MUCH INDIANA HISTORY, ONLY A YEAR IN THE STATE.

SHE HAS A LOT OF LEARNING TO DO ABOUT PERSONALITY AND ISSUES AND CONTEXT, BUT I THINK THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL ON THE CORE REGULATION ALLEGATION AND TAXATION.

>> THE QUALITY IN PLACES SORT OF THING.

>> RIGHT.

>> THE THINGS THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO INDIANA.

>> TO THE POINT SHE IS RELEVANTLY NEW TO INDIANA.

HER HUSBAND HAS A LOT OF ROOTS HERE.

HE IS A NATIVE HOOSIER.

NO QUESTION THAT HER RESUME, I MEAN THIS IS THE SORT OF PERSON WHO SHOULD LEADAL STATE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

BUT FOR THE INDIANA EXPERIENCE, THERE IS NOT MUCH THERE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT DECISION BY THE INDIANA CHAMBER?

>> THEY WERE IMPRESSED BY HER RESUME AND I HEARD GOOD THINGS ABOUT HER ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW HER.

IT SEEMS THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE THERE, BUT SHE KNOWS ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT SHE NEEDS TO LEARN, ESPECIALLY GOING INTO THE SESSION.

SO, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M GLAD THEY HAVE A WOMAN LEADING IT, FRANKLY AND I HOPE SHE'S MODERATE ON THE SOCIAL ISSUES AND CAN KEEP PUSHING THE AGENDA IN THE INDIANA GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

IT ISN'T ONLY ABOUT TAX YAGS.

IT IS LARGELY ABOUT EDUCATION, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUNG PEOPLE AND DOCTORS WHO ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO LIVE IN A STATE THAT IS BACKWARDS TO THEIR APPROACH IN SOCIAL ISSUES.

>> IN TERMS OF THE INDIANA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE LEADERSHIP, THE SEARCH COMMITTEE MADE UP OF FOLKS AT THAT TIME TOP OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THE CHAMBER IS MADE UP OF MEMBERS ACROSS THAT ARE, AS JON POINTED OUT, INCREDIBLY DIVERSE.

>> OBVIOUSLY, SHE WAS VETTED.

SHE MAY NOT HAVE A LOT OF INDIANA EXPERIENCE, BUT SHE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE LINGO OF ADVOCACY.

SHE RAN HER OWN CONSULTING FIRM HERE AND DIFFERENT STAFF IN D.C. SHE KNOWS THAT LINGO AND ANY ASSOCIATION, I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE ONLY HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POLITICAL CAPITAL.

WHEN YOU START VEERING INTO THE SOCIAL ISSUES, JUST BY PROXY OF% HOW POLITICAL CAPITAL WORKS, YOU LOSE INFLUENCE WITH THE OTHER STUFF THAT HAS TO DO WITH WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND TAXES.

WHEN YOU SEE THESE LARGE EMPLOYERS START GOING TOWARDS CARING ABOUT THE SOCIAL ISSUE, THEY HAVE A BIG VOICE IN THE CHAMBER.

I THINK IT IS UP TO HER ON HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE THAT BALANCE WHILE TRYING TO BE REALLY IMPACTFUL.

>> SHE MENTIONED IN THE INTERVIEW WITH ME, THE WORD COLLABORATION CAME UP MULTIPLE TIMES FROM HER, SO THAT IS SOMETHING.

>> AS LONG AS THE STAFF PREPARED FOR HER ON THE PRONUNCIATION TO INDIANA CITIES.

AS LONG AS SHE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT CARAMEL.

>> YEAH.

>> NAILS ON A CHALKBOARD.

>> THIS WEEK MARKS A SOLEMN ANNIVERSARY - IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO THAT INDIANA LOST ITS GOVERNOR.

FRANK O'BANNON, MORE THAN SEVEN YEARS INTO HIS TIME AS GOVERNOR, PASSED AWAY ON SEPTEMBER 13, 2003 AFTER A STROKE A FEW DAYS EARLIER.

THE CORYDON NATIVE HAD SERVED 18 YEARS IN THE STATE SENATE AND EIGHT YEARS AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR BEFORE WINNING TWO TERMS TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN OFFICE INCLUDED TAX REFORM AND PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, AS WELL AS CREATING THE FIRST STATEWIDE COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY, IVY TECH.

NIKI KELLY, YOU WERE COVERING INDIANA POLITICS AT THE TIME THIS HAPPENED.

WHAT STANDS OUT FOR YOU AROUND THE IMMEDIACY WHEN HE DIED?

>> I REMEMBER EVERY MOMENT OF THAT WEEK AND HOW SAD AND STRESSFUL IT WAS.

TRY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO COVER HIM.

ONE THING WE NOTICED, HE CARRIED A POINT AND SHOOT CAMERA AROUND AND HE WOULD TAKE PICTURES ALL OVER.

NO MATTER WHAT.

THAT IS ONE THING I REMEMBER ABOUT HIM.

I REMEMBER A PRESS CORP.

MEMBER WHOSE DOG DIED, HE SENT THEM A BEREAVEMENT LETTER FOR THE DOG.

WE WERE COVERING HIM AND SOMETIMES WE DIDN'T AGREE AND HE DIDN'T LIKE THE STORIES, SOMETIMES, BUT YOU KNOW, HE WAS CONGENIAL AND RESPECTFUL AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL TRY TO REMEMBER OVER THE SADNESS.

>> JON, YOUR MEMORIES.

>> WARM MEMORIES.

COVERED HIM FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

WHEN HE WANTED TO BE GOVERNOR THE FIRST TIME AROUND AND WAS EDGED ASIDE BY EVAN AND ANN DELANEY AND OTHERS.

HE WAS A GENTLEMAN ALWAYS.

LET ME PAY AN ULTIMATE COMPLIMENT, HE WAS A HOOSIER, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

I DON'T HAVE HIS MANY QUALITIES AND CHARACTERISTICS, BUT HE WAS GENUINE, DOWN HOME IN A GOOD WAY, HE WAS KIND AS NIKI ALLUDED.

BEEN RELEASED, THE LAST POLITICIAN, THIS IS A REFERENCE TO JOE BIDEN.

IT IS A COMPLEMENTARY TITLE, I WOULD SAY IF THE TITLE HADN'T BEEN STOLEN, YOU COULD SAY THAT ABOUT FRANK O'BANNON AND IT IS A GOOD THING.

HE WAS BEND STEEPED IN INDIANA POLITICS THROUGH HIS LEGISLATIVE SERVICE AND SO FORTH, HE WAS ABOUT GETTING THINGS DONE AND HE KNEW HOW TO GET IT DONE.

PUBLIC IT WAS WAS HIS BYE WORD AND KNEW HOW TO GET IT DONE.

308 TICKS WAS NOT DIRTY.

IT WAS ABOUT SERVING HOOSIERS AND HE DID IT WELL.

>> 16 YEARS IN THE STATE SENATE.

>> AND THEN A GOVERNOR AND NEARLY EIGHT YEARS, ALL OF THAT IS TRUE AND THE OTHER THING IS HE WAS HELD IN VARY HIGH REGARD BY THE REPUBLICANS.

PEOPLE LIKED HIM.

HE WAS GENUINE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A LOT OF THE POLITICIANS WE SEE TODAY.

HE WASN'T EMBARRASSED THAT HE WAS A PUBLIC SERVANTED AND DONE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

WHAT HE STAID, IT GAVE HIM A BETTER APPRECIATION FOR HOW THINGS WORKED AND HOW TO GET THINGS DONE.

THE COMMUNITY COLLEGIATE SYSTEM BY ITSELF IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT AND HE GOT IT DONE.

>> DO YOU THINK FRANK O'BANNON, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE HE SERVED.

IS IVY TECH THE BIGGEST, LASTING MONUMENT TO FRANK O'BANNON OR DO YOU THINK HE HAS AN IMPACT IN THE STATE?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST ONE.

THERE WAS SOME EDUCATION IMPROVEMENTS, K-12 EDUCATION IMPROVEMENTS MADE UNDER HIM, BUT I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST ONE THAT IS IN HIS LEGACY.

>> AND THE LAST DEMOCRAT TO WIN THE GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION IN THE STATE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> WHO ELSE HAS HAD AUTONOMIC UKULELES AT HIS INAUGURATION.

HE GOT ALONG WELL WITH THE MEDIA.

THATTHAT WAS A A SPECIALTY OF HIS.

HAD THE FORESIGHT TO BE BORN AND RAISED IN THE INDIANA CAPITAL.

THAT IS PLANNING THINGS OUT.

>> I DID WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP HE HAD WITH THE PRESS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S OF A TIME GONE BY OR DO YOU STILL SEE THAT IN GOVERNORS TO THIS DAY?

>> I STILL SEE IT SOME.

YEAH, ALL GOVERNORS DISAGREE FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT WE GENERALLY TREAT EACH OTHER FINE.

I THINK FRANK O'BANNON MAYBE TOOK IT A LITTLE FURTHER.

ONCE A YEAR, WE WOULD GET INVITED TO THE STATE HOUSE, AND HE WOULD GIVE AWAY LITTLE TRINKETS HE HAD GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE AND THEY WERE JOKEY KIND OF THINGS PURCHASE I HAVE A USS O BANNON HAT IN MY OFFICE.

>> BEFORE HE WAS A POLITICIAN, HE WAS A MULTIGENERATIONAL NEWSPAPER OWNER.

IT WAS IN THE BLOOD.

>> YEAH.

>> THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN CHRIS MITCHEM, JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS AND NIKI KELLY CHRONICLE.

YOU CAN FIND INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW'S PODCAST AND EPISODES AT WFYI.ORG/IWIR OR ON THE PBS APP.

I'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT TIME BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

>> THE OPINIONS EXPRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

INDIANA WEEKLY REVIEW IS A WFYI PRODUCTION WITH THE INDIANA PUBL