>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, REACTION TO PROPOSED HOUSING BILLS THAT TAKES SOME ZONING AUTHORITY AWAY FROM CITIES AND THE SO-CALLED TAMALE BILL VETOED BY GOVERNOR HOBBS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

FIVE MEMBERS OF A FAR RIGHT GROUP CALLED THE PROUD BOYS WERE CONVICTED TODAY OF SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY OF THE ATTACK ON JANUARY 6th, 2021.

THE FORMER'S LEADER ALONG WITH OTHERS WERE FOUND GUILTY TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP IN POWER BY LEADING A MOB TO ATTACK THE CAPITOL.

FOUR OF THE FIVE DEFENDANTS WERE FOUND GUILTY TO OBSTRUCT THE CERTIFICATION OF AN ELECTION.

ALL WERE CONVICTED OF INTERFERING WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

THE CONSPIRACY ACCOUNTS ALONE COULD RESULT IN PRISON SENTENCES OF UP TO 50 YEARS.

>>> THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT TODAY ORDERED KARI LIKE TO PLAY $50,000 FOR CLAIMING THE BALLOTS TO INSERTED IN THE MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTIONS.

THE SANCTION WAS APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THERE WAS UNEQUIVOCAL SANCTIONS TO THE COURT.

THE 35,000 PLOT CLAIM, I SHOULD SAY.

THEY DID NOT ORDER LIKE TO PAY FEES TO GOVERNOR KATIE HOBBS AND FEONTES.

>>> A MEGADONOR PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF BOARDING SCHOOL TUITION FOR ONE OF THOMAS' GRAND NEPHEWS AND THIS IS THE SAME G.O.P DONOR THAT PAID FOR UNDISCLOSED LUXURY VACATION TRIPS FOR THOMAS AND HIS WIFE.

HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS SUPPOSED TO REPORT THOSE TRIPS AND NO COMMENT FROM THOMAS ON THE TUITION ALLEGATIONS, BUT DEMOCRATS ON CAPITOL HILL, THEY ARE COMMENTING.

>> I HOPE THAT CHIEF JUSTICE THOMAS UNDERSTANDS SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AND THE REPUTATION OF THE SUPREME COURT IS AT STAKE HERE AND THE CREDIBILITY OF THE COURT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FUTURE DECISIONS IS AT STAKE AND HIS REPUTATION IS THE LEADER OF THIS COURT.

IT IS REALLY AN ISSUE, AS WELL.

TED >> Ted: THEY ARGUED THEY AREN'T REPORTED TO PAY GIFTS THAT AREN'T A SON, DAUGHTER, STEPSON OR STEP DAUGHTER.

>>> THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR GAS IS DOWN DOWN TO $3.57, THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, A BARGAIN IN THE PHOENIX AREA WHERE PRICES ARE AT OR NEAR $4 A GALLON FOR REGULAR.

STILL PRICES ARE FALLING AND TRIPLE A REPORTS THE PRICE OF OIL IS $20 A BARREL.

THERE'S A PRE-SUMMER LOW AND THUS LOWERING PRICES.

>>> THE TOY MAKER HASBRO UNVEILS THREE ICONIC BOARD GAMES TO BETTER SUIT OLDER ADULTS.

SCRABBLE, TRIVIAL PURSUIT AND THE GAME OF LIFE FOR THE GAME PLAYING EXPERIENCE FOR SENIORS BY BIGGER PIECESES REMEMBER TO SEE AND HOLD AND LARGER WORDING ON GAME BOARDS AND CONTENT.

THAT'S MORE RELATABLE TO AN OLDER DEMOGRAPHIC.

>>> LAST WEEK, DURING OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE, WE HEARD FROM THE REPUBLICAN SPONSOR OF THREE BILLS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HELP ADDRESS THE STATE'S HOUSING CRISIS.

THE LEGISLATION INCLUDES REMOVING SOME ZONING DECISIONS FROM LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES.

TONIGHT, TO GET THE OTHER SIDE, WE WELCOME THE HIGH GROUND PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND THE PRESIDENT OF ROUND'S CONSULTING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

A LOT TO GO OVER HERE.

REPRESENTATIVE STEVE KAISER LAST WEEK, THE OVERRIDING BILL DIDN'T MAKE IT AND HE CUT IT DOWN TO THREE THINGS.

THE IDEA IS TO HELP WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE BILLS?

>> YEAH, FIRST OFF, TED, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.

I REPRESENT -- I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE LEAGUE OF ARIZONA CITIES AND TOWNS, REPRESENTING ALL 91 91 JURISDICTIONS.

THE BILL DIDN'T TACKLE AFFORDABILITY AND THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS IN THERE ON BENEFITS TO DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WHICH CREATES AN IMBALANCE IN OUR VIEW BETWEEN THE RIGHTS OF THE RESIDENTS VERSUS DEVELOPMENTS AND THAT TILTS IN THE FAVOR OF DEVELOPERS.

>> Ted: JIM, I WANT YOUR COMMENT AS WE GO THROUGH THEM.

SB2536, SAYING THE ZONING PROCESS REMAINS, THE CITY JUST NEEDS TO ACT IN 180 DAYS.

VALID?

>> SO AS WRITTEN, THE BILL ACTUALLY REQUIRES CITIES TO APPROVE ZONING CHANGES FROM ANY ZONING TYPE TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL, ZONES AGRICULTURAL, THE BILL AS WRITTEN REQUIRES IT TO BE REZONED TO RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE PROVIDED AN ALTERNATIVE THAT STILL REQUIRES THE COMPLETION OF THE ZONING PROCESS IN 180 DAYSES BUT ALLOWS THE CITY TO IDENTIFY IF THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE CONVERTED OR NOT.

>> Ted: HE SAYS THE CITY CAN APPROVE OR REJECT ANY PROJECT, IS THAT WRONG?

>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BILL SAYS.

IF HE'S INTEND ON AMINUTESSING AMEND THE BILL, I REQUIRES ALL CITIES TO CHANGES.

>> Ted: 180 DAYS HERE AND IN GENERAL, ECONOMIC-BASED STONING.

ZONING.

YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> MY THOUGHT IS THIS ENTIRE PROCESS IS GOING FROM THE BOTTOM UP AND IT SHOULD BE THE TOP DOWN.

WE DID A PEER REVIEW FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE REPORTS AND JUST TO QUALIFY THIS, WE DO MORE WORK FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO HELP PROJECTS GET THROUGH.

SO WE SEE BOTH SIDES.

BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS, NONE OF THE REPORTS IDENTIFIED THE CAUSE OF THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY ISSUE WHICH HAD TO DO TO GET US THROUGH COVID.

WE HAD MASSIVE SPENDING AND NOW THEY'RE INCREASING AND EVERYTHING WAS OUT OF WHACK.

NOW IF YOU LOOK AT CHANGES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, IN SOME CASES, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE WASN'T JUST A BIG COLLUSIONARY ACT TO SAY WE WON'T ALLOW DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.

MOST IS BROADER MACROECONOMIC.

IN OUR EXPERIENCE, PART OF IT HAS DO WITH ZONING REFORM RELATED TO TIMING.

A LOT IS CONSISTENCY AT THE CITY LEVEL AND INFORMING POLICY MAKERS.

I'VE SEEN MORE PROJECTS GET HUNG UP BECAUSE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID WE DON'T WANT A THREE-STORY MULTIUNIT.

WE WANT TWO AND LET'S EXTEND THIS FURTHER.

WE NEED THAT TO BE MORE CONSISTENT.

DO WE NEED THE STATE IMPOSING THAT OR IT'S IN THEIR ECONOMIC BEST INTERESTS TO DO THIS?

>> Ted: THAT'S WHERE WE GET BACK TO LEGISLATION, BECAUSE IT'S THE STATE SAYING TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF ZONING SINGLE FAMILY OCCUPATION WITH THE SB2536 AND A ZONE CREATED BY CITIES.

HE SAYS THAT CITIES CAN PICK WHERE THESE ZONES ARE.

AGAIN, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SO, IN HIS DRAFT, THAT IS CORRECT AND I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE CITIES HAVE ALSO OFFERED SINGLE ROOM OCCUPATIONS.

WE HAVE OFFERED CONCEETAS AND DUPLEXESA TRIPLEXES.

WE DON'T SUPPORT THE PRE-EMITY MEASURESPREEMPTIVEMEASURES.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT A TROLLEY CAR?

THE CHALLENGE A HALF MILE, IT GRANTS GREATER PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR REZONING AND CALL BUY-RIGHT ZONING.

IN SOUTH CENTRAL PHOENIX, OUR MINORITY COMMUNITIES WORKED ON A PLAN WITH THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS TO ENSURE THEY WENT GENTRIFIED OUT AND BUSINESSES WEREN'T MOVED AWAY AND THE LEGISLATION IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE OR WILL BE PUT IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE UPENDS THAT PROCESS.

>> Ted: THAT'S 1161 AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ONE.

THIS OTHER BILL ADDRESSES WHAT THE LAWMAKER CALLS MISSING MIDDLE, DUPLEXES AND TRIPLEXES AND THIS SORT OF THING.

IS THAT A NEED IN THE PHOENIX AREA?

ARE WE MISSING THAT COMPONENT OF HOUSING?

>> WE NEED MORE FLEXIBILITY.

I THINK THE CITIES CAN ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL TYPES AND KEEP THEIR ECONOMIC PLAN INTACT.

THE DETAILS OF THE WILLS ARE CHANGING AND THE DESCRIPTIONS HAVE BEEN CHANGING.

PEOPLE ARE SAYING TOO MANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

I KNOW CITIES WHERE THERE ARE TOO MAYBE AND LET'S NOT HAVE ANY IS JUST DUMB.

SEEING OK, IF HOUSING COMES IN, THEN THAT PREEMPTS MAYBE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT LAND THAT THE CITIES HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.

I'M SORRY, BUT THE HOME BUILDERS HAVE BEEN NEVER NEVER BEEN IN ANY LOCATION PROJECT.

SO THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT THE HOME BUILDERS KNOW AND WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE CITY AND WE CAN'T RELY ON THE HOME BUILDERS NOT BUILDING IN A CERTAIN LOCATION.

THE HOLD HOME BUILDERS ARE GIVEN A HARD TIME.

>> Ted: THE MAYORS DON'T WANT TO LOSE CONTROL OVER DEVELOPERS.

IS THERE A POINT THERE?

>> FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

WHAT ARE MAYORS OTHER THAN REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CONSTITUENTS.

THEY'RE HEARING FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE ASKING FOR THIS LEGISLATION NOT TO BE PASSED.

Mr. KAISER AND ALL PURSUING THIS HAVE HEARD FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS.

PROMISE ARIZONA, I REFERENCED THEM EARLIER HAS PUT A LETTER OUT TO THE LEGISLATURE NOT TO PURSUE THIS LEGISLATION.

HOME ARIZONA, A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS HAS AGREED TO WORK WITH THE INEFFICIENCIES, THEY'VE SENT LETTERS TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Ted: HE SAYS, BASICALLY, THAT THE CITIES HAVE A MAFIA STYLE GRIP AND NOT FOR HIS BILLS BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF THE CITIES.

>> I WOULD ARGUE THAT'S NOT TRUE AND WE HAVE 80,005 HIM 80,005 HURRICANE 80,500 UNITS AND THEY'RE NOT BUILT AND THAT ON TOP OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND 12,000 UNITS RENT-TO-OWN OR SOLD TO RENTALS AND THEY'RE DIMINISHING THE HOUSING STOCK.

>> Ted: I WANT YOUR COMMENT HERE AND SAYS BILLS ARE NEEDED BECAUSE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IN THE PHOENIX AREA IS OFF KILTER AND DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> IT'S OFF BUT NOT THE DESCRIPTION OF WHY.

MACRECONOMICS, FINANCES, WE COULD BE BUILDING HOMES ALL OVER AND IT'S NOT PENCILING OUT.

COST OF INPUT, IT'S HIGH.

A LOT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ADD TO THE VOLUME AND THEN YOU DO SEE SOME OF THIS RELIEF TRICKLE DOWN LOWER, IT CAN BE HELPED.

WHAT WE'RE MISSING ARE THE MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT GETTING MORE OF THOSE IN, BUT WE CAN'T TAKE A DRACONIAN APPROACH TO IT.

IF THEY DO IT, I'LL TALK TO AS FEW AS PEOPLE POSSIBLE, ALMOST ALL THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

WE NEED IN BETWEEN.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS TOPS.

HE SAYS LOOSEN REGULATION AND THE MARKET WILL FOLLOW.

>> THE TRUTH IS, THAT NOTHING IN THE LEGISLATION ACTUALLY PRESENTS THE TOOLS TO CREATE MORE.

WE'VE BEEN PUSHING.

>> Ted: GOOD TO HAVE YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, BEYOND THE POLITICS OF THE SO-CALLED TAMALE BILL VETOED BY GOVERNOR HOBBS.

GOVERNOR HOBBS RAISEDEYEBROWS SELLING HOMECOOKED ITEMS THAT IS TRADITIONALLY SOLD BY FAMILIES AND STREET VENDORS AND HAD SUPPORT FOR PASSAGE AND NOT ENOUGH NO OVERRIDE THE GOVERNOR'S VETO AND IT WAS BASED ON HIT CONCERNS.

FOR MORE, WE WELCOME THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ARIZONA PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU, WILL.

WE'RE NOT TALKING COVID, WHICH IS REFRESHING AND WHAT DID THIS LEGISLATION CALL FOR?

>> WE HAVE A COTTAGE INDUSTRY FOOD LAW IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW.

IT STARTED IN 2011.

I WORKED WITH SENATOR CAVANAGH ON THAT 12 YEARS AGO.

THIS IS BRAD'S JAMS AND JELLIES.

YOU SEE THIS AT FARMER'S MARKETS NOW.

WHAT THE BILL WOULD HAVE DONE IS EXPAND THE KINDS OF FOODS THAT VENDORS COULD MAKE AT HOME AND SELL AT FARMER'S MARKETS, THINGS LIKE THAT TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE TAMALES.

THEY BECAME THE POSTER FOOD FOR THIS.

YOU COULD EXPAND IT TO THINGS LIKE TAMALES, BEANS AND CHEESE BURRITOS AND THINGS THAT NEED TIME AND TEMPERATURE CONTROLS.

IT EXCLUDED FISH AND SHELLFISH.

>> Ted: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE CURRENT LAW DOESN'T NEED TIME AND TEMPERATURE.

THE CHEFS HAVE TO HAVE TRAINING THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AND THIS IS THE CURRENT LAW.

THIS EXPANDS IT TO, WHAT DIFFERENT FOODS IN.

>> FOODS?

>> IT WASN'T THAT IT EXPANDED TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL FOODS THAT NEED REFRIGERATION BUT IT REQUIRES SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS LIKE TIME AND TEMPERATURE CONTROLS LIKE TRANSPORTATION SO YOU COULD ONLY TRAVEL TWO HOURS IF YOU HAVE A FOOD LIKE A BURRITO OR TAMALE AND YOU COULD MOVE IT ONCE.

YOU HAVE TO DO THE FOOD HANDLER'S CARD LIKE YOU DO NOW.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER.

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS, PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEKEND IN PARKING LOTS ALL ACROSS ARIZONA, YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE SELLING THESE TAMALES AND THEY'RE IN THEIR SHADOWS AND NOT BROUGHT INTO THE REGULATORY NET SO THEY'RE OFF THE GRID.

THIS WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM INTO THE GRID SO THAT IT'S MORE -- SO IT'S BETTER REGULATED.

>> Ted: THE NEW LAW WHICH WAS VETOED AND WE MAY SEE A VERSION POP UP LATER ON, BUT IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOUR CERTIFICATE.

YOU HAVE TO SEW LABELS AGAIN AND ALL OF THAT IS EXPANDED, AS WELL, TRUE?

>> SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SELL TAMALES AND IF THE BILL WERE TO PASS, YOU COULD DO IT IN THE OPEN, RIGHT, AT THE FARMER'S MARKET AND YOU WOULD HAVE LABELS.

WHERE IT WAS CREATED, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR CERTIFICATE LIKE THE PERSON SELLING BREAD WHICH IS THE COTTAGE INDUSTRY THING.

I FELT LIKE IT DID A GOOD JOB BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE FOLD LIKE TAMALES PUTTING BETTER REGULATIONS IN PLACE AND ENSURE THEY'RE TAKING THE FOOD HANDLER'S CLASS.

THAT WAY, NOT ONLY DO YOU IMPROVE THE FOOD SAFETY COMPONENT OF IT, BUT IMPORTANTLY, IT'S THE OTHER ASPECT OF PUBLIC HEALTH THAT I WAS SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT.

IT HELPS PEOPLE EARN EXTRA MONEY ON THE SIDE THIS IMPROVES TO MAKE A GOOD LIVING BY THEIR FAMILY, BUY BETTER FOOD FOR THEMSELVES AT HOME AND GET THINGS EXTRA STUFF FOR SCHOOL CALLED THE ESSENTIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH.

AND THAT IS WHAT DOMINATES PUBLIC HEALTH.

PUBLIC HEALTH IS MORE THAN JUST GERMS.

IT'S HELPING PEOPLE TO HAVE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE WHICH MAYBE MONEY HELPS YOU DO THAT.

>> Ted: I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ADAMANT ABOUT THIS, ECONOMICS, MAKING A LIVE AND GETTING MONEY, THAT RAISINGS YOUR HEALTH PROFILE AND JUST BY GETTING OUT SHADOWS AND SELLING A TAMALE OR WHATEVER, THAT HELPS WITH MONEY AND LIFTS THAT TIDE.

>> IT'S A FOUNDATIONAL ASPECT OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

PUBLIC HEALTH IS THE SOCIAL DETERMINANT AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF A FAMILY'S HEALTH STATUS, IT'S INCOME.

IT'S INCOME.

THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A WAY TO HELP A LOT OF FAMILIES.

SO I MEAN, I AM FOR THIS.

MY BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WE DIDN'T TAKE A POSITION ON THIS BILL, SO THIS IS MY OPINION, NOT MY NONPROFIT.

>> Ted: YOU THINK THE GOVERNOR DID THE WRONG THINK BY VETO?

>> I DO.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THIS WILL CONVINCE HER OR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH THIS IS OK AS FAR AS BAD-BORNE FOOD-BORNE ILLNESSS?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THEY SIGNED UP AGAINST THE BILL.

IF I WAS THE DIRECTOR, I WOULD HAVE BEEN URGING HER TO SIGN IT.

I'M NOT THE DIRECTOR.

>> Ted: LET'S MAKE YOU THE DIRECTOR AND HOW COULD YOU IMPROVE ON THIS BILL TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SIGN?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO HER ABOUT THE BIGGEST PIECES OF ANGST AND FIX THAT.

I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS THAT PUT THE TEAM OVER THE LIKE LINE TO SAY TO VETO THIS.

I WOULD HAVE TO KNOW THAT FIRST AND YOU CAN CRAFT, OK, THAT'S THE ISSUE AND LET ME FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BUILD BOUNDARIES AROUND THAT.

>> Ted: TELL HER TO WATCH TO SEGMENT AND SHE CAN GET THE INFORMATION SHE NEEDS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU WILL.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> THE JAIL'S CLOSURE.

TODAY, THIS IS DRY AND VISITORS ARE WELCOMED TO TAKE AN EERY STEP DOWN AND BACK INTO ARIZONA HISTORY.

♪♪ >> Ted: HOMELESS I.D., A LOCAL NONPROFIT GROUP PROVIDING REPLACEMENT SERVICES FOR THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

THE GOAL IS TO GET TEN THOUSAND I.D.ES TO THOSE WITHOUT HOMES.

THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR JOINS US NOW.

>> GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Ted: GIVE ME A BETTER DEFINITION OF THE HOPELESS HOMELESS I.D.

PROJECT.

>> THIS IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING RESOURCES FROM WHICH PEOPLE CAN END HOMELESSNESS BY PROVIDING DOCUMENTS, STATE I.D.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN I.D., YOU CAN'T GET HOUSING AND ONE CLIENT SAID THE ONLY THING YOU CAN GET WITHOUT AN I.D.

IS ARRESTED.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN I.D.

TO BE A MEMBER OF SOCIETY AND PEOPLE HOMELESS, PEOPLE WHO END UP HOMELESS OR COMING INTO HOMELESSNESS LACK THOSE IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS.

>> Ted: ONLY FULL-TIME PROVIDER?

>> OTHERS WHO PROVIDE SERVICES AND THE ONLY FULL-TIME PROVIDER IF THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND PROVIDED 12,000 DOCUMENTS, MORE THAN 12 US TO DOCUMENTS LAST YEAR.

>> Ted: SO TALK TO US ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS COMMON SENSE.

YOU DON'T HAVE AN I.D., GOOD LUCK GETTING A JOB, GOOD LUCK RENTING ANY KIND OF A PLACE, CORRECT?

>> YES, TRUE.

>> Ted: SO HOW DO YOU HELP?

LET'S SAY I COME TO YOU AND I'M UNSHELTERED AND LOSTING, ROUGH TIME FOR ME.

>> YES.

>> Ted: I CALM TO COME TO YOU AND HOW DO YOU FIGURE OUT WHO I AM?

>> IF YOU HAD AN I.D.

IN ARIZONA BEFORE AND YOU LOST IT, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS IF WE LOST OUR DRIVERS LICENSE.

WE GET IN THE SYSTEM, WE PUT IN OUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER AND A WEEK OR TEN DAYS LATER, A NEW I.D., NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE SHOWS UP IN THE MAIL.

FOR MANY CLIENTS, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER OR $12.

AND SO, IN THOSE CASES, SIMPLE, RELATIVELY QUICK.

IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN I.D.

IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA BEFORE, CAN'T GET AN I.D.

WITHOUT AN I.D.

AND YOU START WITH A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND WE WORK WITH CLIENTS TO GET THE NECESSARY INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO GET THE BIRTH CERTIFIED AND CERTIFICATE AND SECONDARY PIECE OF INFORMATION TO QUALIFY FOR THE STATE I.D.

LAST YEAR WE PROVIDED FOUR THOUSAND BIRTH CERTIFICATES FROM ALL 50 STATES, AND A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE BORN, CITIZENS BORN ON A MILITARY BASE.

>> Ted: AGAIN, OBTAINING THE DOCUMENTS, SECURING THE DOCUMENTS, ALL PART OF THE PROCESS?

>> YES.

>> Ted: THE ONE THOUSAND VOICES CAMPING,CAMPAIGN, WHAT IS THIS?

>> IT GREW OUT OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.

ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A THOUSAND PEOPLE SUPPORTING US THROUGH THE ARIZONA TAX CREDIT SYSTEM, WE COULD FUND OUR ENTIRE OPERATION FOR A YEAR.

THOSE DAYS, WE WERE DOING 7500 DOCUMENTS AND OUR BUDGET WAS $400,000.

SO A THOUSAND TAX CREDITS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT.

THAT THOUSAND RATTLED AROUND FOR AWHILE.

THE ARIZONA TAX CREDIT SYSTEM IS, I THINK, MISUNDERSTOOD BY A LOT OF PEOPLE.

OF A 100% OF TAXPAYERS, 5% USE THE TAX CREDIT.

95% ELIGIBLE TO SUPPORT A NONPROFIT USE IT.

SO THINKING ABOUT THIS THOUSAND AND RATTLING THAT AROUND AND THIS IS NOT JUST A DONOR FUNDRAISERRING CAMPAIGN.

ALTHOUGH, WE WANT TO RAISE FUNDS, BUT WE BEGAN THINKING ABOUT THE THOUSANDA THE CONCEPT OF THE TAX CREDIT AS YOUR VOICE IN GOVERNMENT.

YOU'RE TELLING THE GOVERNMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE $400 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND SHIFT IT TO THE HOMELESS I.D.

FUND AND THE HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS, WHATEVER YOUR FAVORITE NONPROFIT MIGHT BE IN THE CHARITY SPACE.

BY DOING THAT, YOU'RE EXERCISING YOUR VOICE.

BY THINK BUILDING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T AWARE OF THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON DOWNTOWN ON THE HUMAN SERVICE CAMPUS AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEING ON THE NEWS, STORYING ABOUT HOMELESSNESS TODAY, IT'S TIME TO EDUCATE PEOPLE.

SO WE TOOK THAT THOUSAND, THE CONCEPT OF A THOUSAND VOICES AND SAID, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT HOMELESSNESS IS, WHAT HOMELESSNESS IS NOT AND HOW THEY CAN GET INVOLVED AND HELPED AND THAT'S WHAT THE CAMPAIGN IS.

>> Ted: WHAT REACTION HAVE YOU HAD?

>> IT'S A ROLLING START AND WE'RE HERE AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR US, TO GET THE PUBLICITY.

WE'VE HAD WELL-PLACED ARTICLES AND PEOPLE SIGNING UP TO JOIN THE CAMPAIGN.

>> Ted: WE HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT.

THE OVERWRITING MESSAGE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU DO WHEN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE?

>> WE HAVE TO END HOMELESSNESS.

HOMELESSNESS CAN BE ENDED AND WE HAVE TO START THERE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO END UNLESS WE UNDERSTAND IT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND IT UNLESS WE TALK ABOUT IT.

WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT HOMELESSNESS, WHAT IT IS AND HOW TO FIX IT PUP.

>> Ted: RICK MITCHELL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: I'M.

YOU HAVETED SIMONS.THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!

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