[MUSIC] >> A DISCONNECT WITH HOUSING RESOURCES.

THE BMV CLOSING OFFICES BECAUSE OF STAFFING ISSUES.

PLUS, INCREASINGLY CROWDED REPUBLICAN FIELD FOR STREET TREASURER AND MORE ON INDIAN WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 10, 2021.

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>> THIS WEEK AN ESTIMATED 93,000 HOOSIER HOUSEHOLDS ARE BEHIND IN THE RENT YET LESS THAN 20 PERCENT OF THEM HAVE RECEIVED EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE THROUGH THE STATE AND LOCAL PROGRAMS.

THE HOOSIER HOUSING NEEDS COALITION SAYS INDIA NEEDS WHEN IT CALLS AND ALL OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO HELPING PEOPLE AVOID EVICTION.

PROSPERITY INDIANA'S ANDREW BRADLEY SAYS THAT INCLUDES DIRECT, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

>> PARTNER WITH PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, TO BLANKET THE HARDEST HIT AREAS.

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>> BRADLEY SAYS THE RESPONSE THE STATE HASN'T BEEN PROPORTIONAL TO THE PROBLEM.

IN OTHER HOUSING ADVOCATES FO INSTANCE CALLED FOR A TASK FORCE ON THE ISSUE LAST YEAR, WHICH NEVER HAPPENED.

>> NOT TO BE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT IT, BUT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN GOVERNOR HOLCOMB TO THAT EMERGENCY RENTAL ASSISTANCE IS AVAILABLE?

>> HOUSING REMAINS BY FAR THE BIGGEST NEED THAT PEOPLE REQUEST HELP FOR WHEN THE CALL INDIANA 211.

>> HAS THE GOVERNMENT ENOUGH TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO HOUSING RESOURCES?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL.

DEMOCRAT, ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES HOST OF INDIANA LAAKERS AND NIKI KELLY STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATEHOUSE REPORTER BRANDON SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE STATE?

>> THERE WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO NOTED A $91 MILLION NUMBER.

THAT WAS NUMBER THE STATE PAID TO THE CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS TO ADDRESS AND UNDERFUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS AND PUT DOLLARS AND NCE RESOURCES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

9000 RENTERS ARE WORKING WITH LANDLORDS EVERY DAY DOING OUTREACH WITH LANDLORDS TO CONNECT THEM WITH TENANTS WHO HAVE FALLEN BEHIND, SEVERELY FALLEN BEHIND AND ARE AT RISK OF BEING EVICTED.

THEY ALSO INVESTED IN SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE TO EXPAND FROM THREE MONTHS-12 MONTHS AMOUNT OF RELIEF THAT THESE RUNNERS HAVE WHICH IS WELL BEYOND WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED WITH THIS RELIEF.

THERE'S A LOT MORE TO DO, PARTICULARLY AS WE MOVE BEYOND ENHANCE AND EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS THIS PAST WEEKEND WE SEE HOPEFULLY PEOPLE GET BACK TO WORK.

PEOPLE CONTINUE TO SLIP WITH TIMELY RENT PAYMENTS WE WILL CONNECT WITH THOSE PEOPLE AND HAVE A GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO THIS.

IT'S PART OF THE REASON THE STATE BROUGHT THE 211 SYSTEM ITSELF INTO STATE GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING A STANDALONE NONPROFIT LAST YEAR.

TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO CALL INTO 21 FOR ANY REASON WITH ALL THE RESOURCES THE GOVERNMENT HAS.

>> THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THE STATE CAN DO TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

HAVE THEY DONE ENOUGH?

>> THEY HAVE DONE VIRTUALLY NOTHING.

NOT JUST THE TASK FORCE, MY HUSBAND EVEN HAD A MEETING ON THIS IN JUNE.

THE STATE IS DONE VIRTUALLY NOTHING.

THANK HEAVENS, THE CITY IS MORE ORGANIZED AND ABLE TO GET THAT 91 MILLION OUT WHERE IT IS NEEDED.

THE STATE IS BASICALLY INCOMPETENT.

IT'S NOT JUST IN THIS.

IF YOU HAVE UNEMPLOYMENT, IT TAKES SEVEN MONTHS TO GET A HEARING.

SEVEN MONTHS!

THAT IS INCOMPETENCE ON ITS FACE.

PART OF THIS IS THE RESULT OF THE REPUBLICAN MANTRA YOU HAVE TO SHRINK STATE GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE SHRUNK IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S NECESSARY FOR THEM TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE THE KIND OF EMERGENCY THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE THANKS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUTTING MONEY IN HERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERSONNEL TO DO IT.

THEY ARE COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT.

I THINK THEY SHOULD GIVE ALL THE MONEY TO THE CITY AND THAT THE CITY HANDED OUT.

AT LEAST THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN CONTRAST TO THE STATE OF INDIANA.

>> NIKI KELLY WE SAW THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTHPOINT GETTING A MESSAGE ACROSS THE STATE ABOUT TESTING RESOURCES ABOUT SUPPORT, CERTAINLY ABOUT THE VACCINES AND ONCE THOSE BECAME AVAILABLE.

WE SAW THEM USE A VARIETY OF OUTLETS TO DO THAT, EVEN USING THE EMERGENCY BROADCASTING SYSTEM IN SOME CASES.

WE TALK ABOUT VACCINE CLINICS.

NOTHING LIKE THAT HAS GONE ON WITH RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND YET RENTAL AND HOUSING NEEDS ARE THE NUMBER ONE NEED WHEN PEOPLE CALL INDIANA 211.

HAS THE STATE'S RESPONSE TO THIS PROBLEM BEEN PROPORTIONAL TO THE SCOPE?

>> YOU COULD CERTAINLY SAY THAT WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT MONEY.

A VERY COMPREHENSIVE AWARENESS AND EDUCATION CAMPAIGN.

I WANT TO POINT OUT JUST BECAUSE 20 PERCENT HAVE BEEN HELP WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY MORE APPLIED VERSUS WHO IS NOT ELIGIBLE.

ALSO, MOST OF THESE PROGRAMS REQUIRE THE LANDLORD TO BE ON BOARD.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A BUNCH WHERE THE PERSON WANTS TO HELP WITH THE LANDLORD SAYS NO, I JUST WANT THEM OUT.

IT'S NOT AS EASY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE.

THERE COULD BE OTHERREASONS THEY ARE NOT BEING HELPED.

>> THE HOUSING ADVOCATES TALKED ABOUT IN ALL GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO THIS.

HOW BIG OF A ROLE -WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT THIS ON THE SHOW.

BUT HOW BIG OF A ROLE DOES THE COURT SYSTEM HAVE TO PLAY IN MAKING SURE THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING CONNECTED TO RESOURCES?

>> THINK IT PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE BECAUSE IN MANY CASES IT'S THE LAST GUARDRAIL OR THE LAST SAFETY VALVE BEFORE PEOPLE ARE IN FACT EVICTED PUT OUT ON STREETS.

THERE ARE PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE COURTS HAVE ESSENTIALLY SET UP SYSTEMS OPERATIONS ONE OR TWO DOORS DOWN THE HALL SO THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS APPEARING BEFORE A DGE AND MEETS THE VARIOUS CRITERIA FOR ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS WAS TOLD BY THE JUDGE JUST TWO DOORS DOWN AND WILL START THE PROCESS THERE.

THAT IS NOT HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.

AGAIN, THIS IS MESS BUT A MESS JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE.

IT PROVES THAT GOVERNMENT IS NOT VERY GOOD AT GIVING OUT MONEY.

IT'S BETTER AT PERHAPS COLLECTING MONEY.

IT'S USED TO COLLECTING TAXES BUT DISTRIBUTING IT IN A SHORT TIMEFRAME.

AND IT IS EVERYWHERE.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.

IF YOU JURISDICTIONS HAVE FOCUSED ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF LANDLORD SO THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

THEY SAY DO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TENANTS WHO ARE BEHIND IN THE RENT?F SO, LET'S PUT 10 OR 20 OF THEM TOGETHER AND PUT THROUGH AN ASSISTANCE SCHEME THAT HELPS THOSE INDIVIDUALS RATHER THAN DOING IT ON A ONE BY ONE BASIS ON BEHALF OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE BEHIND.

IS THAT THE ANSWER?

THERE IS NO ONE ANSWER.

IT IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT ALL ASPECTS OF GOVERNMENT ON BOARD.

>> THE HOUSING CRISIS CERTAINLY IS NOT NEW AND IS NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON.

MY GUESS IS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AT SOME POINT.

BEGINNING THIS WEEK, b11 MOTOR VEHICLE OFFICERS THROUGHOUTHE STATE WILL BE CLOSED UNTIL OCTOBER 2 DUE TO STAFFING SHORTAGES.

STAFF THIS OFFICER BEING REASSIGNED BECAUSE THE AGENCY HAS HAD TROUBLE FILLING 60-80 POSITIONS.

ADDING TO THAT, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 10-50 PERCENT OF THE WORKFORCE IS CONSISTENTLY OUT DUE TO COVID-19 PRECAUTIONS.

B&B CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER KEVIN GARVEY SAID THE AGENCY HAD DECIDE BETWEEN TEMPORARY CLOSING A FEW OFFICES IN KEEPING WAIT TIMES DOWN OR KEEP ALL THE OFFICES OPEN BUT MAKE THEM WAIT THROUGH LONG LINES.

> I WOULD RATHER MAKE THESE SMALL, TEMPORARY CLOSURES AND PROVIDE MORE HOOSIER WITH THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE THEY ARE USED TO GETTING FROM US.

>> GARVEY SAYS THE AGENCY IS HAVING TO COMPETE FOR WORKERS AS MANY EMPLOYERS HAVE STARTED TO RAISE THE WAGES.

HE ARGUED THAT DESPITE HAVING A STARTING WAGE AT $30.50 PER HOUR THE STATE MAY OFFER BENEFITS LIKE HEALTHCARE AND PENSIONS THAT SIMILAR EMPLOYERS DON'T.

ANN DELANEY, WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE SHORTAGE OF WORKERS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WERE TALKING ABOUT IT IN RELATION TO OPERATION OF GOVERNMENT ITSELF.

HOW SIGNIFICANT AN ISSUE DOES THIS PRESENT?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE ONLY THE TEMPORARY CLOSURES.

HE PROBLEM IN INDIANA HAS BEEN UNDER THE REPUBLICANS, THEY DON'T VALUE STATE EMPLOYEES.

THEY DON'T CONCERN THEMSELVES WITH STATE EMOYEES.

WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF STATE EMPLOYEES IN INDIANA WERE MAKING LESS THAN HALF THE MEDIAN FEDERAL INCOME.

THIS BMV PERSON TALKS ABOUT $13.50 AS IF IT'S A GREAT WAGE.

IT'S NOT.

YOU CAN MAKE MORE THAN THAT AT BUFFALO WILD WINGS!N TOP OF THAT YOU CAN GET BENEFITS.

NO YOUNG PERSON STARTING OUT IS WORRIED ABOUT TIRE MEANT YET.

BENEFITS AND SALARY ARE WHAT DRIVE IT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYBODY THAT FRANKLY WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE FOR $13.50 PER HOUR.

THANK HEAVEN THOSE WAGES ARE GOING UP.

IS BEEN STAGNANT IN THE STATE FOR TOO LONG.

I'M HAPPY IT'S GOING UP AT THE STATE HAS TO CATCH UP.

WE HAVE TO OFFER COMPETITE WAGES AND $13.50 IS NOT WORTH THAT.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRIVATE SECTOR RESPONDING TO WORKER SHORTAGES.

EMPLOYERS WILL RESPOND TO WORKER SHORTAGES IN PART SOMETIMES BY RAISING WAGES.

DOES THE STATE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING?

>> THEY HAVE TO IF THEY WANT TO COMPETE.

IT'S A PROBLEM ACROSS STATE GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE RECORD OPENINGS.

WE CAN MAKE IT ANECDOTAL.

EVERYONE WATCHING OR LISTENING IS EXPERIENCING THIS EVERY DAY WHETHER IT'S SERVICES THEY GET -EVERYTHING IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY IS SUFFERING RIGHT NOW.

WITH ENHANCEMENT LIMIT GOING AWAY WE SEE AN UPTICK IN THESE POSITIONS BEING FILLED.

THE STATE PAYS OUT EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS THE LAST 18 MONTHS.

A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WERE MAKING A LOT MORE MONEY NOT WORKING.

WE ALIGN THE INCENTIVES TO STAY HOME AND THAT WAS NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC HEALTH FOR A TIME AND IT'S NOT ANYMORE.

THERE ARE WAYS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

THE PRESIDENT CAME OUT STARTED A HAMMER EMPLOYERS FOR EMPLOYEES TO MAKE THE PERSONAL DECISION TO NOT GET VACCINATED IS A WONDER TO ME.

THE INCENTIVE HAS TO BE FOR PEOPLE TO GET VACCINATED.

ALL OF THESE INCENTIVES ARE ALIGNED.

SCRATCH OFF LOTTERY TICKETS NOTWITHSTANDING FOR THEM TO GO AND DO THAT AND GET BACK TO WORK.

>> I WILL NOTE FOR OUR AUDIENCE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE BIDEN VACCINE MANDATE A LOT MORE NEXT WEEK ON THE SHOW.

WE ARE GETTING REPORTERS IN INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCAST FEEDBACK STATE LEADERS ON THE ISSUE TODAY AND THROUGH NEXT WEEK.

WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK.

NIKKI KELLY ON THE BMV ISSUE WE LOOKED AT SALARIES AND GOT pSALARY INFORMATION FROM THE BMV.

DO YOU THINK IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE POSITION IN TERMS OF THAT SALARY AND BENEFIT PACKAGE?

>> I WAS TRYING TO TALK MY DAUGHTER INTO APPLYING.

[LAUGHTER] $13.50 IS THE LOWEST -THE BASE.

ON DUTIES AND RESPONSE EPENDING ABILITIES.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT INSURANCE AND PAID HOLIDAYS.

THAT'S A LOT.

IF YOU WORK AT BUFFALO WILD WINGS YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT.

I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST MONEY.

HOPEFULLY, SOME PEOPLE WILL NOW REALIZE THESE ARE OPEN AND THEY CAN APPLY.

>> ON THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKETPLACE, IF THE STATE DOES HAVE TO LOOK RECENT SALARIES AND NOT JUST BMV BUT ACROSS STATE GOVERNMENT FOR EMPLOYEES YOU THINK LAWMAKERS ARE READY TO OPEN THE PURSESTRINGS FOR THAT TOO.

>> THEY CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO.

THIS IS A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO PRIDE THEMSELVES ON SHEPHERDING THE STATE IN A VERY FRUGAL MANNER.

BEING VERY FRUGAL WITTAX DOLLARS.

THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.

YOU HAVE TO FUNCTION AS A STATE GOVERNMENT.

THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF STATE GOVERNMENT WHERE IT MIGHT BE INVISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF STAFFING.

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NEXUS POINTS WHERE THE STATE OF INDIANA AND STATE GOVERNMENT INTERACTS ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH HOOSIER'S IN A VERY HANDS ON FASHION.

HOOSIER'S WOULD NOTICE THE COMPLAINTS WOULD START, THE PHONES WOULD BRING IN THE MAILBOXES WOULD FILL, THE EMAIL INBOXES WOULD FILL AND LAWMAKERS WOULD ULTIMATELY GO ALONG.

THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.

>> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ONE QUICK THING, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME CONCERNED THAT THESE TEMPORARY CLOSURES AND IT BEING FULL-TIME.

THAT THE STATE WILL SAY, THAT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL, NOW WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY.

>> STAY TUNED CERTAINLY ON THAT.

TIME NOW FOR REVIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSED AN UNSCIENTIFIC ONLINE POLL.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION IS IS THE AVERAGE INDIANA STATE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE UNDERPAID?

A: YES, BE CALLER NO.

LAST WEEK WE ASKED IF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WILL OVERTURN LEGALIZED ABORTION?

ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION TWO MONTHS AGO.

TWO MONTHS AGO 22 PERCENT OF YOU SAID YES.

NOW, 36 PERCENT OF YOU SAY YES AND 64 PERCENT SAY NO.

IF YOU LIKE TO TAKE PART IN THE POLL GO TO WFYI.ORG/ IW IR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

THE CITY CLERK OF FORT WAYNE JOINED A GROWING LIST OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES VYING TO BECOME THE NEXT INDIANA STATE TREASURER.

ABOUT NINE MONTHS BEFORE THE MAJOR STATE POLITICAL PARTIES WILL CHOOSE THEIR NOMINEES AT THE STATE CONVENTIONS.

THE 2022 RACE FOR STATE TREASURER IS EXPECTED TO BE A CROWDED ONE.

AT LEAST ON THE GOP SIDE.

AS CURRENT TREASURER KELLY MITCHELL IS TERM LIMITED UNABLE TO RUN AGAIN.

THE 2022 RACE FOR STREET TREASURER IS EXPECTED TO BE A CROWDED ONE AT LEAST ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE AS CURRENT TREASURER KELLY MITCHELL IS TERM LIMITED UNABLE TO RUN AGAIN.

FORT WAYNE'S LANA KEESLING IS NOW THE FOURTH GOP CANDIDATE TO ANNOUNCE THE CAMPAIGN.

LANA KEESLING A FORMER SMALL BUSINESS OWNER HAS BEEN CITY CLERK SINCE 2015.

ENTER CANDIDATES VYING TO BECOME THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE: A COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADER DANIEL ELLIOTT, FORMER GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATIVE SPOKESPERSON PETE SEAT AND SUSIE JAWORSKI JESUS.

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NO DEMOCRAT HAS ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY.

NIKKI, HOW CONCERN IS IT TO HAVE DEMOCRATS NOT TO HAVE A CANDIDATE YET.

>> NOT TO CONCERNING.

IF YOU START EARLY YOU FIGHT IT OUT.

I SAY THEY WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME BY THE END OF YEAR AND THAT'S FINE.

>> JON SCHWANTES, IT'S EITHER 1980 OR 1976 THE LAST TIME A DEMOCRAT WON THE STATE TREASURERS RACE.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE COMPETITIVE ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE ALREADY.

TO THE NUMBER OF CANDIDATES IN THE REPUBLICAN FIELD MAKE SENSE?

>> DO I GET BONUS POINTS?

JACK WAS DAD.

HE WORKED IN THE WELSH ADMINISTRATION.

TOM, HIS SON ACTUALLY WAS THE TREASURER.

YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.

THE FATHER-SON TEAM.

DID I PASS THE TEST?

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SURPRISING THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD LINE UP FOR THIS JOB.

WE STIPULATED A MOMENT AGO THAT SALARIES AND STATE GOVERNMENT ARE NOT GREAT.

THAT APPLIES CERTAINLY TO RANK AND FILE WORKERS.

IT WILL NOT GET ANYBODY RICH.

EVEN IF YOU ARE ELECTED IN OFFICEHOLDER YOU CAN MAKE MORE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.EOPLE SEE THIS PERHAPS AS A STEPPINGSTONE TO HIGHER OFFICE.

IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY TURN OUT THAT WAY.

PEOPLE KEEP TRYING AND I THINK THERE'SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR BEING IN THE HEART OF IT ALL AND STATE GOVERNMENT.

DEMOCRATS WILL GET SOMEONE EVENTUALLY.T WON'T BE AN EMPTY SPOT ON THE BALLOT.

>> SOMEBODY POSTED THIS QUESTION TO ME IN LIGHT OF THE NEWS THAT THERE'S ANOTHE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

DOES THE POLITICAL PARTY OF THE INDIANA STATE TREASURER MATTER?

>> WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION THESE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES INCLUDING ATTORNEY GENERAL 10 TO FILE THE BASELINE WHICH REFLECTS THE BASE OF THE PARTY AND WHERE IS IN THAT STATE.

DEMOCRATS HAD A HARD TIME FINDING A CANDIDATE FOR SENATE GOVERNORUNTIL 2020.

HAD TO CHANGE THE RULES AND EXPAND THE TIMEFRAME TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY TO STEP INTO THAT ROLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WILL SEE A CANDIDATE FOR TREASURER BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

YOU MAY SEE THE WEEK OF THE CONVENTION OR AT THE CONVENTION WHEN THEY FINALLY HAVE WHOEVER SHOWS UP TO BE TAPPED TO THE TREASURER CANDIDATE.

THE CLOSEST ELECTION WE HAD IN RECENT MEMORY WAS IN 2006 WHICH WAS A GREAT YEAR FOR DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY AND A REALLY TOUGH YEAR FOR PUBLICANS IN INDIANA.

>> ANN DELANEY, MIKE JUST TALKED ABOUT WE MIGHT NOT SEE A TREASURER CANDIDATE UNTIL VERY CLOSE TO THE CONVENTION.

IS THAT A REFLECTION OF HOW TOUGH THIS RACE WILL BE FOR A DEMOCRAT STATEWIDE?> IT'S A REFLECTION OF THE FACT THAT THIS OFFICE IS MINUSCULE.

IT'S NOT IMPORTANT AT ALL.

THE ONLY REASON YOU HAVE SO MUCH COMPETITION AMONG THE REPUBLICANS IS THAT KELLY MITCHELL SHOWED THEM THAT YOU CAN USE IT TO REWARD YOUR FRIENDS AND RAISE MONEY.

THEY ARE NOW THINKING MAYBE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT OFFICE AFTER ALL.

WE WILL HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR TREASURER BUT FRANKLY, LIKE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SECRETARY OF STATE SHOULD ALL BE APPOINTED OFFICES.

THEY REALLY SHOULD.T'S A WASTE OF MONEY TO HAVE THEM ON THE BALLOT.

>> A STUDY LOOKING AT SCHOOL CHOICE IN INDIANA SUGGESTS COMPETITIONS SPURRED BY VOUCHERS LIMITS PUBLIC SCHOOL PERFORMANCE OVER TIME.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S TUTTLE REPORTS THE STUDY FOCUSES ON VOUCHER PARTICIPATION IN PRIVATE SCHOOL DENSITY RUN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND USES EIGHT YEARS OF STATE SCHOOL CHOICE AND TEST PERFORMANCE DATA.

>> YUSUF CANBOLAT IS A DOCTORAL STUDENT AT INDIANA UNIVERSITY AND IS THE RESEARCHER BEHIND THE STUDY.

HE SAYS FINDING SUGGESTS A PRIVATE SCHOOL COMPETITION LOWERS PUBLIC SCHOOLS PROFICIENCY RATES OVER TIME.

>> IN THE LONG TERM, COMPETITION HARMS PUBLIC SCHOOLS DUE TO THE DEPARTURE OF THE RELATIVELY HIGH ACHIEVING STUDENTS.

>> HE SAYS THAT'S ONE REASON WHY IT'S VITAL FOR POLICYMAKERS TO CONSIDER THE CONTEXT SCHOOL CHOICE WORKS WITHIN -ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF INCOME AND OTHER DISPARITIES AMONG DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

BUT YUSUF CANBOLAT SAYS MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED ON THE HOW THE LOSS OF HIGH ACHIEVING STUDENTS AECTS CLASSROOMS TOO.

>> JON SCHWANTES, DOES NOT LIKE THIS CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT DOCTOROLICY IN INDIANA REALISTICALLY?

>> I'M NOT SURE IT DOES.

FANS WILL REMAIN FANS AND DETRACTORS WILL REMAIN DETRACTORS.

I'M SURE TO FIND STUDY AND I'M GLAD THERE IS RESEARCH PROVIDING DATA FOR DECISION MAKERS.

THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WHERE I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DRAWN THE SAME CONCLUSION EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF THE STUDY.

YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE SET NUMBER OF STUDENTS, SOME OF THEM -WHO HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE MOTIVATED TO GET THE MEN OF THE PROGRAM, THEY LEAVE AND THE MONEY GOES WITH THEM.

LEFT BEHIND ARE THOSE PERHAPS TO FOR WHATEVER REASON ARE NOT AWARE OF THOSE OPONS OR ARE NOT MOTIVATED TO GET THOSE OPTIONS OR ANY CASES HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS THAT PROHIBIT THEM FROM PASSING TESTS THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GAIN ADMISSION TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING WE ARE SORRY, WE DON'T WANT YOU IN OUR SCHOOL.

YOU DON'T MEET OUR STANDARDS.

E ARE OBLIGATED OF COURSE TO TRAIN YOU.

SMALLER POOL, LESS MONEY.

YOU COULD ASSUME THIS IS THE OUTCOME.

>> WHEN INDIANA'S VOUCHER SCHOOL WAS CREATED AND CERTAINLY IN THE YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN BUILT AS IT'S GOOD FOR STUDENTS AND PARENTS AND SCHOOLS BECAUSE IT WILL FORCE MORE COMPETITION FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS ACROSS THE BOARD HAVING TO COMPETE WITH PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

NIKI KELLY, DOES THE STUDY UNDERCUT THAT?

DOES IT MATTER IF IT DOES?

>> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS.

THIS IS NOT A SHOCKING THING.

I THINK LIKELY, THE RESULT OF AT HAPPENS WHICH IS THAT THEY CAN CHERRY PICK.

THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.

THEY CAN CHERRY PICK THE STUDENTS THAT THEY THINK WILL DO BETTER IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

IF YOU TAKE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITH THE HIGHER TEST SCORES OUT, OBVIOUSLY THE PROFICIENCY OVERALL REMAINS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL WILL DROP.

>> ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS FROM THAT STUDY IS THE STUDENTS THAT USE THE VOUCHERS AND MOVE DON'T IMPROVE THEIR PERFORMANCE.

WHICH IS THE RATIONALE BEHIND THIS.

IT WAS GOING TO TAKE STUDENTS FROM POOR PERFORMING SCHOOLS, FAILING SCHOOLS AND MOVE THEM INTO SCHOOLS WHERE THEY WILL DO SO MUCH BETTER.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY ARE NOT DOING ANY BETTER.

THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BUILT ON A HOUSE OF CARDS.

>> THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

YOU'RE TAKING KIDS OUT OF A POOR PERFORMING SCHOOL AND PUTTING THEM IN A BETTER PERFORMING SCHO IF THEY WHERE A B STUDENT BEFORE THEY'RE IN A GOING TO BE A B STUDENT IN A BETTER PERFORMING SCHOOL.

>> THEY ARE NOT PERFORMING ANY BETTER.

[CROSSTALK] THEY ARE NOT PERFORMING ANY BETTER ON THE STANDARD TESTS THAT YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT AS BEING IMPORTANT ON PERFORMANCE.

IT IS THE MEASURE.

IT'S NOT THE LETTER BE IT'S THE TESTING.

AND THEY ARE NOT DOING ANY ETTER.

>> FINALLY, INDIANA'S DIVISION I FOOTBALL TEAMS GOT OFF TO A MOSTLY GOOD START LAST WEEK.

PURDUE AND NOTRE DAME ALL ONE IS WEAKER AGAINST FLORIDA STATE.

THE HOOSIER'S LOST IN A DROPPING BY IOWA.

HOWEVER, THE MOST VIRAL MOMENT OF THE GAME CAME FROM AN IMAGE OF ONE OF THE HOOSIER FOOTBALL PLAYERS JERSEYS WHICH READ NOT INDIANA ACROSS THE CHEST BUT INDINIA.

SHOULD THAT FIRST SEASON COUNT?

>> NO.

I FEEL SORRY FOR WHOEVER PUT THAT JERSEY TOGETHER.

HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL.

I THINK INDIANA'S PERFORMANCE GOING FORWARD LL BE MUCH BETTER.

>> MIKE FORGETS THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE.

>> ARE EXPECTING HIGH HOPES?

ARE EXPECTING THINGS TO IMPROVE?

>> I HOPE SO.

I THINK THE NOTRE DAME GAME MIGHT BE THE BEST OF THE SEASON.

RIGHT OUT OF WEEK ONE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD GAME BUT IT WOUND UP THAT WAY.

I'M GLAD IT WENT THE WAY IT DID AND NOTRE DAME ONE.

>> NIKKI, AT THIS POINT THIS IMAGE WAS SO POPULAR.

MAYBE NOT THE REASON WE HELPED.

SHOULD THEY JUST CHANGE THE JERSEYS FROM ONE WEEK TO INDINIA JUST FOR FUN?

>> PROBABLY NOT.

[LAUGHTER] MENTIONED THE PERSON WHO PUT THE JERSEY TOGETHER NOT NOTICING BUT ALSO THE PERSON WHO SAW THE PICTURE AND DECIDED TO TWEET IT WITHOUT NOTICING!

[LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS ORIGINALLY TWEETED BY THE IE HOOSIER TWITTER ACCOUNT.

LONG AGO ARE THE DAYS OF COPYWRITING.

>> WE WILL SEE HOW IDAHO IS SPELLED.

I'M PREDICTING THAT INDINIA OR INDIANA WILL KICK IDAHO SPOT.

>> THAT IS INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN, MIKE O'BRIEN.

JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

NIKI KELLY OF THE FOUR MAIN TERMINAL GAZETTE.

IF YOU'D LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS PROGRAM YOU CAN FIND IT AT WFYI .ORG/IW IR OR STARTING ON MONDAY YOU CAN STREAM IT.

YOU CAN GET ON DEMAND AT XFINITY OR ON THE WFYI APP.

'M BRANDON SMITH OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

STAY SAFE, STAY HEALTHY AND GET VACCINATED IF YOU CAN ENJOY THIS NEXT TIME.

A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

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