FOR MORE ON DONALD TRUMP'S REELECTION, HE HAS WON BOTH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND THE POPULAR VOTE FOR THE FIRST REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE TO DO SO IN 20 YEARS.

WHAT MADE HIM SO SUCCESSFUL, CONSIDERED THAT THE POLLSTERS CALLED IT THE CLOSEST RACE IN AMERICAN HISTORY?

OUR NEXT GUEST HAS SPENT MONTHS TRAVELING THE COUNTRY, SPEAKING WITH VOTERS IN KEY SWING STATES.

THE NEW YORK TIMES POLITICS REPORTER, ALSO HOST OF THE RUN- UP OF PODCAST.

HE JOINS US TO TALK ABOUT HOW VOTERS VOTED THIS TIME AND WHAT MADE IT SO DIFFERENT FROM 2020.

JOINING US.

DONALD TRUMP RETOOK THE PRESIDENCY LAST NIGHT BUT GOING THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT BATTLEGROUND STATES AND FLIPPING THEM BACK.

TOOK BACK WISCONSIN, TAKE BACK GEORGIA.

LET'S TALK ABOUT PENNSYLVANIA.

A PLACE WHERE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS SPENT SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO WIN.

DONALD TRUMP WON THAT.

>> I THINK THAT WAS FOR THE TERM CAN PAINT THE CROWN IN THE JEWEL.

THEY KNEW THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN SUNBELT STATES, RUST BELT DATES, PLACES THAT ARE PRIORITIZING IMMIGRATION.

THE DATA HAD TOLD THEM THERE WAS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

WHERE THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAD AN IMPENETRABLE WALL WAS IN THOSE MIDWESTERN STATES, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA.

PARTICULARLY IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS WERE THEY WERE PUSHING THE IDEA THAT LATEBREAKING UNDECIDED VOTES WERE GOING TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATS.

I THINK WHAT WE SAW THOUGH WAS A KIND OF NATIONAL STORY INCLUDING PENNSYLVANIA BUT CONSISTENT EVERYWHERE ELSE.

IT'S AN UNPOPULAR ADMINISTRATION AND AN UNPOPULAR DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THEY WERE PAYING FOR IT UP AND DOWN THE BOARD.

WE HAD BOB CASEY A POINT OR TWO AHEAD OF KAMALA HARRIS.

THAT SPEAKS TO HOW THERE WAS IN 2020 A DROP OFF.

A LOT OF THAT CAME FROM RURAL AREAS.

WE SAW DONALD TRUMP RUN UP THE NUMBERS OUTSIDE THE CITIES.

HARRIS WAS FRANKLY UNABLE TO MAKE IT UP IN THE SUBURBAN AND URBAN AREAS.

THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PHILADELPHIA ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND FRANKLY, COULD NOT MAKE UP A GAP THAT WAS LARGER THAN THEY EXPECTED.

>> YOU WENT OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO WERE KNOCKING ON DOORS FOR SOME OF YOUR REPORTING.

WHAT WERE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HEARD LIKE IT?

>> WE REFOCUSED ON PHILADELPHIA, PARTICULARLY WITH LOW PROPENSITY VOTERS.

WE WENT OUT AND INTENTIONALLY CHOSEN OUTSIDE GROUP BECAUSE WE WANTED THEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE HONEST ABOUT SOME OF THE STRUGGLES DEMOCRATS WERE HAVING IN THESE COMMUNITIES HEADING INTO THE ELECTION.

FRANKLY, I THINK WE SAW SOME OF THIS PLAY OUT BUT IT WAS NOT A TURNOUT PROBLEM AMONG SOME OF THESE CITIES.

PLACES LIKE MILWAUKEE COUNTY IN WISCONSIN.

BUT YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP INCREASED HIS VOTE CHAIR WHICH SPEAKS TO A PERSUASION POINT THAT THERE IS SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO FRANKLY JUST FOUND HIM MORE APPEALING THIS TIME AND I THINK THAT ACTUALLY TRACKED WITH SOME OF THE CANVASSING THAT WE WENT OUT AND SAW.

WE RAN INTO FOLKS HERE TALKING ABOUT TRUMP ON THE ECONOMY.

MOSTLY, THERE WAS A DISTASTE WITH DEMOCRATS.

A FEELING THAT THE PARTY HAD LEFT THEM BEHIND AND BECOME A SYMBOL OF THE STATUS QUO.

FRANKLY, THE MANTLE OF CHANGE THAT THE DEMOCRATS LEFT ON THE TABLE IN THIS ELECTION, DONALD TRUMP SEIZED IT.

>> MENTIONED MILWAUKEE AND YOU DID SOME REPORTING IN MADISON, WISCONSIN AS WELL.

THE COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT YOU SPOKE WITH, WHAT WERE THEIR CONCERNS?

>> WE WENT TO FOOTBALL GAMES TO LOOK AT THE GENDER GAP AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.

THE DATA WAS TELLING US YOUNG WOMEN WERE GOING MORE AND MORE DEMOCRATIC AS YOUNG MEN WERE GROWING MORE INTERESTED IN AT THE PLACE WHERE MADISON IS LAST NIGHT, SOME OF THAT WE THINK WILL PROBABLY START TO BEAR OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE GENDER BREAKDOWN SPLIT JUST YET.

YOU SAW DONALD TRUMP DO BETTER, WHICH SPEAKS TO SOME OF THOSE YOUNGER MEN.

GETTING PULLED CLOSER AND CLOSER.

THEY WERE REALLY EXPLICIT THAT TRUMP WAS A MODEL OF MASCULINITY, NOT JUST THE BUSINESSMAN, BUT EVEN THE BULLYING AND INSULTING STYLE WAS FRANKLY, FOR SOME OF THEM, THE POINT OF DONALD TRUMP THAT HE OFFENDED SO MANY OTHERS IN THEIR LIVES.

THEY WERE TRYING TO THUMB THEIR NOSE AT THE ESTABLISHMENT, EVEN WOMEN IN THEIR LIVES.

THEY LIKE THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A VEHICLE FOR THAT.

I THINK THE TRUMP STRATEGY ON HIS ARMY OF YOUNG MEN WERE ARMY OF BROSE, PODCASTER'S AS ELON MUSK AND AIDAN ROSS WERE SHOUTING OUT ON STAGE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

THE SAME GROUP THEY TALKED ABOUT ON THE SHOW, A PODCAST WITH A BUNCH OF FOLLOWERS, THEY WERE IN MADISON THE DAY THAT WE WERE THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP TO THIS PLACE TO REGISTER TO VOTE JUST TO GET A PICTURE WITH IT THEN.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT HAS HAPPENED ON THE YOUTUBE TIK-TOK GENERATION OF YOUNG MEN WHO FEEL AS IF HAVING THIS VERSION OF MASCULINITY IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THEM BY CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS HAS BEEN DOING IS BASHING THE IDEA.

THE IDEA THAT MASCULINITY WAS TOXIC CAME UP OVER AND OVER.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS UNIVERSAL.

A LOT OF YOUNG MEN SAID THEY WERE VOTING FOR HARRIS, FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF DETECTING ABORTION RIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT TOWARDS REPUBLICANS AMONG YOUNG MEN.

AT LEAST YOU CAN SAY THAT THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN LAST NIGHT THINKS THAT HELPS THEM WIN.

>> REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WERE LITERALLY ON THE BALLOT IN MULTIPLE STATES.

ISSUE THAT GALVANIZED SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE LEFT.

TO THAT PAN OUT?

>> I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY SAY THAT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WAS NOT PRIORITIZED ABOVE OTHER ISSUES.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF THE LEFT.

WHAT WE SEE IS THAT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WERE MEANT TO TRY TO CUT THROUGH PARTICULARLY IN THE SUBURBS, PARTICULARLY TO GIVE PEOPLE INFORMATION STRUCTURE TO VOTE FOR HARRIS AND TRY TO CAST DONALD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS LARGELY IS EXTREME.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS TRUE THROUGHOUT OUR TRAVELS IS THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD DONALD TRUMP HAD A DIFFERENT POSITION ON ABORTION RIGHTS AND THE REST OF THE PARTY.

THEY WOULD SAY THAT OFTEN AS A REASON TO SUPPORT SOME ABORTION RIGHTS.

THEY DID NOT THINK TRUMP WAS LIKE AN X ESSENTIAL THREAT TO THE FREEDOM AND STILL SUPPORT HIM AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

I THINK WE SAW SOME OF THAT YESTERDAY.

I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT THE SPECIAL ELECTIONS WE SAW FROM DEMOCRATS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS WERE FALSE OR SOMETHING, WHO VOTE IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ARE JUST PRIORITIZING THE TOP OF THE BALLOT OVER EVERYTHING ELSE.

FRANKLY, THE DEMOCRATIC ARGUMENTS THAT ABORTION RIGHTS COULD OUTDO THE ECONOMY WOULD OVERCOME INFLATION, WOULD OVERCOME PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ABOUT IMMIGRATION, THAT CLEARLY DID NOT PAN OUT TO BE TRUE.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING, WHERE BOTH PARTIES GO NEXT YEAR, TOO.

DONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE FLIRTED WITH A DIFFERENT ABORTION POSITION AND THE REST OF THE PARTY BUT THE ECOSYSTEM IS ANTIABORTION IN A WAY THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE MEDIAN VOTER IN THE COUNTRY.

I THINK BOTH SIDES OF HIS KIND OF AN OPEN QUESTION GOING FORWARD.

BUT DEMOCRATS THOUGHT IT WAS A SECRET ELECTORAL SAUCE THAT IT DID NOT TURN OUT TO BE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF STATES IN PARTICULAR.

GEORGIA IN 2020, WERE FAMOUSLY DONALD TRUMP WAS ASKING THE THEN SECRETARY OF STATE TO FIND THE 12,000 VOTES.

AND HERE WE ARE LAST NIGHT AND MARGIN OF 100,000.

HOW DO YOU ASSESS THAT?

>> IT IS A CONSISTENT STORY.

THE RURAL COUNTIES OF THOSE STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY REALLY DID TURN OUT.

THERE IS A TYPE OF VOTER IN THIS COUNTRY THAT COMES OUT FOR DONALD TRUMP AND BASICALLY NO ONE ELSE.

I THINK WE HAD HINTS OF THAT BEFORE.

IT WAS A BIG STORY IN 2020.

THERE WAS AN IDEA, AND I THINK I HAVE THIS QUESTION, ABOUT WHETHER TRUMP WAS A CANDIDATE WHO COULD KIND OF SUMMON THAT MASS TURNOUT AGAIN, AND THIS VERSION OF DONALD TRUMP, COMPARED TO PREVIOUS ONES.

WHERE TRADITIONALLY REPUBLICANS HAD DONE WELL.

NOT ONLY WHAT BIDEN DID IN 2020, WHAT RAFAEL WERE NOT DEAD IN THE SENATE RACE.

BEING ABLE TO PICK UP SOME OF THOSE FOLKS.

IS THE KIND OF MAINTAINED THE GROWTH IN CITIES.

I THINK AS WE SEE IN THOSE BATTLEGROUND STATES, THE NUMBERS DID NOT ADD UP.

THEY DID NOT PERSUADE ENOUGH PEOPLE.

EVEN AS THEY RAISED THE TURNOUT, SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE SEEMING TO BE PERSUADED BY DONALD TRUMP.

HE HAS A BIGGER SHARE OF FOLKS EVEN IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS.

IT'S NOT JUST THE RURAL TURNOUT, THE SUBURBAN EQUATION OR HIS ABILITY TO PICK OFF SOME BLACK AND LATINO WORKING-CLASS VOTES.

IT THAT HE DID EACH OF THEM THIS TIME.

I THINK IT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT STORY THAN 2016.

KIND OF TOLD YOURSELF IN 2016 THIS WAS A STORY THAT WAS ONLY ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE'S WEAKNESS.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY IT'S ALSO A STORY OF HIS ELECTORAL STRENGTH.

>> THAT STRENGTH IS ALSO ON DISPLAY IN NORTH CAROLINA.

I WONDER WAS HURRICANE HELENE AN EVENT THAT CHANGED THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE?

>> WE WERE OUT IN , PARTICULARLY WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA WERE A LOT OF THE STORM DAMAGE WAS.

IT WAS EARLY DAYS OF VOTING AND THERE WERE RUMORED FEARS THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TURN OUT THE SAME NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE.

THEY TOLD US THEY FELT IT HAD THE OPPOSITE EFFECT.

BECAUSE THE HURRICANE HAD STRUCK SOME OF THESE AREAS, AND FRANKLY THE MISINFORMATION OR I WOULD SAY THE NARRATIVE WAS HIGH THAT THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR AND STATEHOUSE HAD ABANDONED THEM.

THEY WERE TRYING TO USE IT AS A MOTIVATING PIECE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED.

EVEN IN THE PLACES WHERE WE WERE, EARLIER FLOATS WERE WHERE THEY WANTED IT TO BE EVEN AS THE RECOVERY WAS STILL HAPPENING.

I THINK THERE IS SOMETIMES A PRESUMPTION THAT WOULD STOP FOLKS FROM COMING OUT BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICAL CONCERNS.

WHEN REPUBLICANS WERE SAYING NO, IT IS MOTIVATING MORE PEOPLE TO COME OUT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SUCH A TALKING POINT IN THE MEDIA AND FROM DONALD TRUMP.

WE KNOW THOSE THINGS WERE NOT BASED IN FACT.

HE WAS CALLING AND SAYING THAT FEMA WORKERS HAD NO MONEY.

THE DEMOCRATS WERE NOT COMING TO THESE AREAS, THAT THEY WERE LETTING PEOPLE KIND OF STARVE.

THAT WAS NOT THE TRUTH.

BUT IT DID SET IN.

SO MUCH SO THAT WHEN WE WERE GOING TO EARLY POLLING LOCATIONS, FOLKS WERE REPEATING THOSE MESSAGES BACK TO US.

IN NORTH CAROLINA, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT REPUBLICANS MIGHT BE STRUGGLING THERE UNIQUELY, AS DEMOCRATS COULD POSSIBLY SEIZE.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION, EVEN AS THE STATE REJECTED THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEY GENERAL CANDIDATE.

THERE WAS CLEARLY STILL A LOT OF FOLKS WHO SPLIT THE BALLOT BETWEEN JOSH NINE FOR GOVERNOR AND DONALD TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT.

>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT MICHIGAN RIGHT NOW AS WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.

TRUMP LEADS BY ABOUT 100,000 VOTES.

AGAIN, WHICH 100,000 IS UP FOR INTERPRETATION.

IS AT THE UNION VOTE, THE ARAB- MUSLIM VOTE, WHICH HE THINKS BY THE WAY IN ONE OF HIS ACCEPTANCE SPEECHES.

>> AND LOOKING AT DEARBORN AND A COUPLE OTHER MAJORITY ARAB AREAS.

WE DID SEE HIM GROW WHILE DEMOCRATS DROPPED OFF.

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HUNDRED THOUSAND EXACTLY COMES FROM.

IF IT WAS A STORY JUST ABOUT MICHIGAN, WE COULD SAY THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE ADMINISTRATION'S POLICY IN PALESTINE AND GAZA.

I GUESS I DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A NATIONAL STORY.

IT SEEMS LIKE MICHIGAN WAS SWEPT IN WITH IT.

THE CENTER RACE, TAMMY BALDWIN IN WISCONSIN.

THESE PEOPLE WERE STILL THOUGHT TO BE AHEAD.

REALLY, IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE SENSE OF MALAISE.

LET ME SAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ONE THING THAT SHOWS UP IN SOME OF THE MODELS IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF SOMETHING THAT WE SAW IN POLLING THAT WAS KIND OF QUESTIONED IT TO BE TRUE.

DEMOCRATS GOT BETTER IN LOW TURNOUT, HIGHER EDUCATION ELECTIONS.

MORE PEOPLE VOTING MIGHT BE BETTER FOR DONALD TRUMP.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT POURED OUT IN THIS ELECTION.

IT WAS NOT FOLKS STAYING AT HOME THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE.

IT'S THAT AS MORE PEOPLE CAME, THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WAS A DIFFERENT VOTER FOR THIS CYCLE AND IT DIFFERENT FROM MIDTERMS, WERE INCREDIBLY MORE LIKELY TO VOTE FOR TRUMP AND KAMALA HARRIS.

I JUST THINK THAT THERE WAS A FEELING THAT APATHY WAS THE ONLY THING THAT COULD GET TRUMP ELECTED, WHEN IN REALITY, HE WAS ABLE TO SUMMON MORE FOLKS, AND I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE FAILURE OF THE IMAGINATION TO BELIEVE HE COULD GET THAT MOVEMENT TOGETHER.

>> WHEN THE DEMOCRATS GO BACK TO TRY TO DO POSTMORTEM, WHAT IS THE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO CONFRONT?

IS IT JUST SORT OF STRUCTURALLY, DO YOU GO BACK LONG ENOUGH AND SAY JOE BIDEN DECIDING TO RUN AGAIN FOR OFFICE KIND OF TIED THIS CANDIDACY TO THE ADMINISTRATION, OR, YOU KNOW, A LONG LIST OF THINGS HERE.

WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO TO TRY TO RECONFIGURE THEMSELVES TO HAVE A BETTER SHOT NEXT TIME AROUND?

>> I THINK WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THE CORE ASSUMPTIONS THAT DEMOCRATS RESTED THE LAST FOUR YEARS ON HAVE BEEN PROVEN FALSE.

THEY CANNOT GOOD POLICY THEIR WAY INTO ELECTORAL SUCCESS.

DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT INHERENTLY UNACCEPTABLE.

DEMOCRACY WAS NOT A UNIQUE UNITING ISSUE.

ABORTION RIGHTS WERE NOT A UNIQUE UNITING ISSUE AND IT CAME TO THE PRESIDENCY.

SOME OF THE THINGS DID JUST NOT POUR OUT.

BUT I WOULD SAY ALL OF THAT IS PROBLEM, WHICH IS INSULATING THEMSELVES FROM THE REALITY OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S UNPOPULARITY AND THE FEELING AMONG THE PUBLIC THAT JOE BIDEN WAS NOT SET TO SERVE A SECOND TERM.

FOR THEM TO IGNORE THAT EVIDENCE AND FOR TWO YEARS TO TIE THEMSELVES MORE CLOSELY TO BIDEN TO BLOCK OUT THAT IDEA, ALL OF THAT BECOMES THE BIGGEST FACTOR.

TAKE THIS, FOR EXAMPLE.

ONE KAMALA HARRIS HAD THE CANDIDATES WHICH AND SHE WAS BEING ASKED HER TO CLARIFY POSITIONS FROM 2019 TO 2024, THERE WAS A SENSE THAT THIS RESTED ON THE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE AS A FLIP-FLOP HER.

PUTTING THAT IN SOME OF THE PUBLIC.

A LOT OF DEMOCRATS HAVE RECALIBRATED WHERE THEY WERE FROM THE 2019 PRIMARY UNTIL NOW.

A LOT OF THEM KIND OF SEE THE PRIMARY IS WILDLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REST OF THE ELECTORATE WAS.

DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD AN OPEN PRIMARY IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS.

IT IS THE WHOLE PARTY IT DOES NOT FALL ON AN INDIVIDUAL KAMALA HARRIS.

EVEN IF SHE WOULD HAVE WON A PRIMARY THAT JOE BIDEN STEPPED OUT OF, IT WOULD ALLOW AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NEW MESSAGE AND FOR THE CANDIDATE COMING INTO THE GENERAL ELECTION TO BE COMFORTABLE AT SOME DISTANCE FROM BIDEN.

THERE REFUSAL TO DO THAT EVERY STEP YEARS AGO OR EVEN AFTER THE CANDIDATE SWITCH WHERE SHE DID NOT WANT TO BREAK ON THINGS LIKE GAZA OR INFLATION.

ALL OF THAT NOW LOOKS SO MUCH WORSE IN RETROSPECT.

THE DEFERENCE TO BIDEN LOOKS WORSE IN RETROSPECT.

TO BORROW THE HARRIS PHRASE, THIS ELECTION EXISTS IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE THINGS AROUND IT.

THAT BUILD UP TO THIS MOMENT MATTERED JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE IN MY OPINION THAN THE LAST 2 TO 3 MONTHS.

>> LET ME ASK YOU SIMILARLY ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

AT THIS POINT, THERE HAVE BEEN A STEADY DRUMBEAT OF REPUBLICANS FOR THE LAST 4 TO 6 YEARS SAYING THAT DONALD TRUMP AT THIS POINT, IS THIS NOT COMPLETELY HIS PARTY?

>> OH, YEAH, THE QUESTION IS PASSED.

I THINK IT IS HIS POLITICS.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WILL RECALIBRATE IN RELATION TO DONALD TRUMP.

I THINK THAT WE --I JUST THINK THAT IF THERE WAS ANYONE WHO THOUGHT THAT THE PARTY OF YESTERYEAR WAS RETURNING, THEY SHOULD PUT THAT NOTION --IN MY OPINION IT WAS THAT BEFORE.

NOW CERTAINLY.

THEY WILL TAKE THIS AS A LESSON THAT YOU DO NOT NEED NIKKI HALEY ON THE TRAIL IF YOU HAVE ELON MUSK.

YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN KIND OF RALLY THIS ARMY OF IDEOLOGY AND OF TRADITIONAL REPUBLICANS WILL COME OVER TO YOU AND YOU DON'T NEED TO PLACATE THE WEIGHT OF THE PARTY.

IF YOU ARE A TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE, IF YOUR MITCH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE TIME, THE ABILITY TO SEE THIS ABERRATION IS GONE BECAUSE HE WILL REENTER THE WHITE HOUSE AND HE WILL DO SO WITH A CONGRESS THAT HAS BEEN RESHAPED IN HIS IMAGE AND THAT IS KIND OF A UNIFORM PARTY AROUND HIM IN A WAY THAT WAS NOT EVEN TRUE WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT EIGHT YEARS AGO.

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