>>> COLLEGE STUDENTS JUGGLING MULTIPLE RESPONSE ABILITIES MIGHT FIND A SHORTCUT THROUGH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE APPS LIKE JIM AND KAY MABIE .

BUT THERE'S ALSO CONCERN THAT SHORTCUTS SHEET STUDENTS OUT OF A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.

THIS TECHNOLOGY TEACHERS HAVE HAD TO GRAPPLE WITH AS CHATGPT HAS BECOME A FLASHPOINT FOR SOME SCHOOLS.

JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE HANDLING IT IN THEIR CLASSROOM ARE NINA WE , ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF INSTRUCTION AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY, AND RUSSELL JOHNSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE UNDERGRADUATE RELIGIOUS STUDIES PROGRAM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO.

THANKS TO YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US.

NINA, YOU'VE ALLOWED YOUR STUDENTS TO USE CHATGPT.

WHY?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS OF CHATGPT , AND PROVIDE THEM WITH HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE DISCOVERING WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE.

I HAVE FOUND THAT MY STUDENTS ARE DISCOURAGED BY THE PROMINENCE OF CHATGPT FOR PROFESSIONALS, CEOS, AND ACADEMIC FIELDS, AND THEY SOMETIMES DOUBT THEIR OWN MARKET ABILITY.

SO I FIND IT ENCOURAGING TO ALLOW THEM TO CRITIQUE WHAT CHATGPT PRODUCES COMPARED TO THE ROLE INSIDE, AND WALK AWAY WITH A REAFFIRMED CONFIDENCE THAT THEY STILL HAVE THINGS TO CONTRIBUTE.

>> HOW HAVE THEY BEEN USING IT?

>> I DESIGN ASSIGNMENTS WHERE THEY REQUEST THAT CHATGPT CREATE A SHORT ESSAY, AND THEN I PROVIDE THEM WITH A VERY DETAILED LIST OF GUIDELINES ACCORDING TO WHICH THEY CRITIQUE THE ESSAY.

THEY CRITIQUE IT FOR FLUENCE, INCLUSIVITY, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER CRITERIA .

AND THEN I ASK THEM TO GRADE THE ASSIGNMENT.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO READ WHAT STUDENTS COME UP WITH, AND I THINK THEY WALK AWAY ENCOURAGED , AND SEEING THAT THEY STILL CAN OUTPERFORM CHATGPT , EVEN THOUGH IT IS, QUITE FRIENDLY, A POWERFUL TOOL.

>> IT IS.

RUSSELL JOHNSON, YOU WROTE A COLUMN SAYING CHATGPT IS CALLING A, QUOTE, CRISIS IN HIGHER EDUCATION.

IS ALLOWING CHATGPT THE CORRECT WAY TO GO ABOUT ALLEVIATING, YOU KNOW, STUDENT SCHEDULES IF THEY ARE USING THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MUCH TO DO?

>> I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ALLOWING CHATGPT IS THE BEST RESPONSE TO THAT PROBLEM, ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT WE SHOULD BE RESPONDING TO.

IN PART BECAUSE WHAT STUDENTS ARE DOING IF THEY'RE USING CHATGPT TO WRITE THE PAPERS WHEN IT'S NOT AN ASSIGNMENT THAT INVOLVES CHATGPT IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHORTCUTTING THE LEARNING PROCESS THAT COMES FROM WRITING ITSELF.

WE ASSIGN STUDENTS TO WRITE SHORT PAPERS NOT BECAUSE THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF ESSAYS IN THE WORLD AND WE NEED MORE OF THEM, BUT BECAUSE THE PRACTICE INVOLVED IN FORMULATING AN INTERPRETATION , COMING UP WITH AN ARGUMENT, DEFENDING IT , PERSUADING SOMEONE WHO MIGHT NOT ALREADY AGREE WITH YOUR POSITION, THAT'S THE KIND OF WORK THAT STUDENTS WILL NEED TO DO FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT WRITING, YOU KNOW, FIVE PAGE PAPERS.

>> DO YOU HAVE A CLASSROOM POLICY ON IT, LIKE, RIGHT THIS PAPER AND DON'T USE CHATGPT?

>> I TELL THEM NOT TO DO IT, BUT FOR ME, I TRY AND NOT SO MUCH THREATEN PUNISHMENT ABOUT IT.

LIKE, LET THEM KNOW THAT , HERE'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS ASSIGNMENT .

HERE'S WHY I THINK IT MATTERS , WHY I'M HOLDING YOU ACCOUNTABLE TO COMPLETE THIS, WHY I THINK IT'S VALUABLE, AND ALSO HUMANIZING IN THE SENSE OF REMINDING THEM THAT I HAVE TO GRADE THESE PAPERS.

AND SO I'M GOING TO BE SPENDING A HALF HOUR OF MY LIFE TRYING TO GIVE YOU CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK ON SOMETHING THAT YOU WROTE, BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES MORE CLEARLY.

AND SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WRITTEN BY A ALGORITHM , NOW, YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STUDENTS DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS RECOGNIZE ABOUT THE WRITING PROCESS.

>> WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE COST OF HIGHER ED AS WELL, AND IF YOU ARE PAYING TO BE AT A SCHOOL TO LEARN, THEN CHATGPT, YOU'RE CHEATING YOURSELF OUT OF THAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.

NINA, HOW DO YOU THINK IT CAN BE USEFUL TO LEARN, BUT NOT PLAGIARIZING?

>> IT IS TEMPTING TO USE CHATGPT AS A SHORTCUT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE OVERBOOKED.

THEY'RE SO AMBITIOUS.

THEY PURSUE SO MANY THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS AN EDUCATOR , AND REDESIGN THE WAY WE TEACH IN ORDER TO HELP STUDENTS CONTINUE LEARNING AND AVOID THE TEMPTATION TO TAKE A SHORTCUT AND JUST USE CHATGPT TO CREATE AN ASSIGNMENT.

I DO A LOT MORE THINGS IN CLASS, IN REAL TIME , DURING SMALL GROUP WORK .

STUDENTS RESPOND TO EACH OTHER'S WRITING .

EYEBROWS A VARIETY OF TRAINING SOURCES TO FIND TECHNIQUES THAT ALLOW ME TO HELP STUDENTS LEARN , EVEN WHILE THERE IS AN IS A SHORTCUT AVAILABLE.

>> SOME TEACHERS USE CHATGPT HIMSELF, RIGHT, TO MAYBE CREATE A PROMPT , OR THEY COULD USE IT TO CREATE A PROMPT, AND I KIND OF DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IS CHATGPT BESTING ME ON THIS ONE?

IS IT EVER BENEFICIAL FOR YOU?

>> I HAVE ATTENDED A LOT OF TRAINING SESSIONS WHERE IT'S RECOMMENDED, AND THE WAY TO ALLEVIATE THE BURDEN OF EXPENSIVE TEACHING.

I PERSONALLY DO NOT ENJOY USING CHATGPT.

I LIKE WRITING , LEARNING TO WRITE WELL.

I FIND IT EASIER TO WRITE A GOOD PROMPT MYSELF .

BUT I HAVE PLAYED AROUND WITH IT.

IT IS POSSIBLE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S , IT'S BETTER THAN MY OWN PROMPTS, BUT I CAN SEE THE, THE POWER OF THE TOOL.

>> RUSSELL, HOW DO YOU THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL BE USED IN THE FUTURE?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE USED -- SO WHAT IT'S VERY GOOD AT HIS RESULTS.

AND SOMETIMES, IT CAN COME UP WITH WRITING THAT IS , IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY PARTICULARLY CREATIVE OR PARTICULARLY ORIGINAL.

SO I GET EMAILS, YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, COME TO L.L.

BEAN.COM AND CHECK OUT OUR NEW FALL FASHIONS, AND THAT'S NOT THE SORT OF EMAIL THAT A HUMAN BEING NEEDS TO KEEP WRITING EVERY WEEK.

THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, THE RESULTS, THEY'RE ALREADY THERE.

WE JUST NEED TO CONVEY THE INFORMATION AS CLEARLY AS POSSIBLE.

WHERE IT'S GOING TO FALL SHORT, AMONG HIS OTHER LIMITATIONS, IS WHEN THE PROCESS MATTERS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WRITING A POEM, WRITING AN ARGUMENT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THE PROCESS OF GIVING OUT WHAT YOU THINK, WHAT YOU BELIEVE, AND MAKING THAT CLEAR, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHATGPT CAN'T REPLACE, BUT IT ALREADY IS, FOR INSTANCE, IN COMPUTER PROGRAMMING, HELPING PEOPLE GET TO THE RESULTS QUICKER WHEN THAT'S ALL THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, AND THAT'S FINE.

>> WE GOT ABOUT 20 SECONDS LEFT, NINA.

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FUTURE OF CHATGPT USE WILL