>>> NOW, AS WE HEARD WITH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LOOMING THE ABILITY TO PROCESS THIS INFLUX AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS CAUSING CONCERN.

THE MAYOR OF THE BORDER TOWN EAGLE PASS IS EXTENDING THE CITY'S EMERGENCY DISASTER DECLARATION AS THOUSANDS CROSS INTO TEXAS.

A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE MIGRATION POLICY INSTITUTE JOINS US TO DISCUSS WHERE THIS GOES NEXT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

JUST RECENTLY WE HAD THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCE TPS, TEMPORARY PROTECTION STATUS -- PROTECTIVE STATUS TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO HAD COME ACROSS OUR BORDER FROM VENEZUELA BEFORE AUGUST.

WHAT DOES TPS MEAN FOR ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS?

>> TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE STATUS IS A PROVISION OF THE LAW ORIGINALLY IN 1990 WHICH ALLOWS THE U.S. TO SUSPEND THE DEPORTATION AND PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION FROM A COUNTRY WE HAVE DESIGNATED IS UNSAFE TO GO TO.

IT'S MEANT FOR POLITICAL TURMOIL, CLIMATE CRISES, EARTHQUAKES, AND BEEN USED A NUMBER OF TIMES SINCE 1990.

THIS IS THE MOST ITERATION OF THAT.

VENEZUELA IS A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THE NEW MIGRATION FLOWS.

WE'RE ABOUT 7.2 MILLION VENEZUELANS WHO HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY SINCE THE POLITICAL CRISIS THERE.

AND THEY'RE BOUND TO ABOUT 16 CARIBBEAN AND SOUTH CARIBBEAN COUNTRIES.

AFTER COVID HIT MANY OF THOSE COUNTRIES THEY STARTED MIGRATING TO THE U.S.

IT'S A MORE RECESS CRISIS FOR THE U.S.

BUT A MORE BIG CRISIS.

FOR THOSE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BE GIVEN PROTECTION.

THE IDEA OF HAVING CUT OFF IT SHOULD NOT PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR MORE PEOPLE TO COME BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T GUARANTEE MORE PEOPLE TO BE COVERED.

>> DOES THAT WORK, THOUGH?

RIGHT NOW WE'RE HEARING REPORTS THERE ARE THOUSANDS MORE PEOPLE BASICALLY TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DARION GAP, THIS AREA NORTH OF PANAMA TO COME INTO MEXICO AND ONTO THE UNITED STATES.

IS THAT SIGNAL BEING SENT LOUD AND CLEAR?

BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE HEARING AT THE SAME TIME WHILE THEY'RE HEARING ABOUT A GAP IS, WOW, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF VENEZUELANS GOT THIS PROTECTIVE STATUS SO MAYBE THERE'LL BE ANOTHER PROTECTIVE STATUS FOR ME IF THERE'S A NEW DEADLINE SAY SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE DILEMMA THE ADMINISTRATION FACES.

THEY'VE TRIED TO CREATE CARROTS AND STICKS IN MIGRATION POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION.

THEY'VE ALLOWED VEN SWALE WANS TO ENTER THE PROGRAM CALLED THE PAROLE PROGRAM THAT IF YOU'RE SPONSORED BY A U.S. CITIZEN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY FLY INTO THE U.S. FROM ABROAD.

THERE ARE THOSE SPOTS AVAILABLE.

I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO USE THOSE AS COMING UNLAWFULLY INTO THE COUNTRY.

YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT STAKE IS GOING TO BE DETERMINE BY HOW ROBUST OUR ENFORCEMENT IS.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHICH PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW COOPERATIVE MEXICO IS GOING TO BE.

BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING TO RETURN PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO MEXICO.

AND IF MEXICO DOESN'T ALLOW THEM BACK, THEN WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.

AND SO I THINK THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH MEXICO ARE IN HIGH GEAR.

AND THEN ENFORCEMENT MEASURES WILL DECIDE HOW EFFECTIVE THE DETERRENT IS.

>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT I GUESS TO TAKE A STEP BACK WHAT QUALIFIES AS AN ASYLUM SEEKER?

BECAUSE WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER ASKING FOR ASYLUM.

YOU KNOW, THE SENATE WILL SAY WELL THEY'VE BEEN COACHED TO SAY THAT, AND THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO HEAR THEIR PLIGHT WILL SAY THEY'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING IN FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES.

BUT WHAT IS IT TECHNICALLY THAT QUALIFIES WITHIN THE CATEGORY OF WHAT ASYLUM IS FOR INUNITED STATES?

>> SURE THE VENEZUELAN TPS IS DIFFERENT FROM ASYLUM.

ASYLUM IS ANOTHER ROUTE FOR PEOPLE TO COME.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT ASYLUM IS GENERALLY THE DEFAULT MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO COME TO THE UNITED STATES ENTER.

AND SOME PEOPLE RIGHTLY SAY THEY GO AND WELCOME ASYLUM.

THE BORDER CHALLENGE IN THE PAST WAS ABOUT SINGLE MEXICAN MALES SNEAKING THROUGH THE BORDER AND LOOKING FOR WORK, NOW WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM COUNTRIES ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH FAMILIES WHO COME AND SEEK ASYLUM.

NOW ASYLUM IS OUR COMMITMENT BOTH UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW AND NATIONAL LAW, WHICH MEANS WE CAN'T REMOVE A PERSON WHO CLAIMS THAT THEY'RE IN THE FEAR OF FACING PERSECUTION.

BUT THOSE PERSECUTION GROUNDS ARE VERY NARROW.

THEY CAN BE ON THE BASIS OF YOUR RACE, RELIGION, SOCIAL GROUP, POLITICAL OPINION.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR PROBLEM IS.

IT'S NOT OUR ASYLUM SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

IT JUST IS BACKLOGGED.

IT TAKE YEARS FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR PROCESS CLAIM -- THEIR CLAIM PROCESS.

THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DON'T DESERVE IT GET IT FOR A LONG TIME AND PEOPLE WHO DESERVE IT ARE CLOGGING THE SYSTEM.

WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ASYLUM SYSTEM, MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND FAIR AT THE SAME TIME.

>> YOU KNOW, THE ASYLUM SYSTEM IN SPECIFIC AND THEN EVEN MORE BROADLY HOW WE PROCESS INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TRYING TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE UNITED STATES, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR DECADES NOW, BUT IF THERE'S BEEN A WAY TO SUMMARIZE HOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACHED IMMIGRATION IN THIS CHALLENGE, WHAT'S THAT BEEN?

>> I WOULD SAY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO ESTABLISH INCENTIVES AND DISINCENTIVES.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO DEFINE THE BORDER CRISIS AS ONE OF OPTICS, THAT THIS IS THE SPECTER OF HOARDS OF PEOPLE IN A MISMANAGED WAY TRYING TO ENTER THE U.S. AND JUST DOES NOT LOOK GOOD ON TELEVISION CAMERAS.

SO THEY TRIED TO CREATE ORDER IN THE SYSTEM.

IN THE PROCESS WHAT HAS HAPPENED THEY'VE ALLOWED LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE TO COME IN AN ORDERLY WAY, WHICH THEN HAS DOWNSTREAM EFFECT ON CITIES AND STATES.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE SEEN EXHIBITED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

SO I THINK THEY AT SOME POINT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AN ORDERLY WAY.

THEY'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH THIS CBP APP ONE THROUGH WHICH PEOPLE CAN GET APPOINTMENTS.

THEN THEY'VE TRIED TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH PORTS OF ENTRY.

WE HAVE TO REALLY GET THE ASYLUM SYSTEM GOING IN A ROBUST WAY SO THAT WE SCREEN PEOPLE AT THE BORDER AND LET PEOPLE TO PROCESS THEIR APPLICATIONS INSIDE THE U.S., NOT BEFORE A CLOGGED IMMIGRATION COURT SYSTEM BUT BEFORE ASYLUM OFFICERS WHO ARE OFFICERS OF THE USCIS, AND THAT PROCESS COULD TAKE MONTHS.

>> I'M SITTING IN THIS CONVERSATION IN NEW YORK CITY, AND NEW YORK IS FACING A TREMENDOUS CRUSH OF HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE USING RESOURCES.

THE CITY'S MAYOR, ERIC ADAMS, HAS HAD TO, YOU KNOW, WALK BACK COMMENTS EXPRESSING SOME OF HIS FRUSTRATION BEFORE.

GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT IT'S DOING TO A PLACE LIKE NEW YORK OR EVEN ANOTHER MAJOR CITY IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF VENEZUELANS OR MIGRANTS THAT FIND THEIR WAY HERE?

>> THAT'S THE QUESTION ON A LOT OF PEOPLES MINDS, THAT WHY DID THIS PRESENT CHAPTER OF MIGRATION TO A PLACE LIKE NEW YORK BECOME SO DIFFERENT THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST?

AND 1THEN,000 MIGRANTS HAVE COME TO NEW YORK CITY IN THE LAST 16 MONTHS.

100,000 PEOPLE IN A CITY OF 8 MILLION WHICH HAS A HUGE HISTORY OF ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS AND CELEBRATING IS NOT A LARGE NUMBER.

WHAT MAKES THIS CHAPTER DIFFERENT IS THEY CAME IN A VISIBLE TARGETED, CONCENTRATED WAY.

INITIALLY DRIVP BY POLITICAL MOTIVE BY SOUTHERN GOVERNMENTS, AND THEN WE REALIZE THAT NEW YORK CITY HAS THIS CONSENT DECREE FROM 1981, WHICH PROVIDES HOUSING FOR EVERYONE AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

NOW, THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN OUR HISTORY BEFORE.

WHEN IMMIGRANTS COME, THEY'RE ORGANICALLY INTEGRATED INTO THE SOCIAL FIBER AND ECONOMY OF THE CITY.

AND THEY'VE GENERALLY SEEN THEREFORE THE NET BENEFIT.

ALMOST ALL BENEFIT AT NO COST BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE THEIR LABOR.

THEY PROVIDE TAX CONTRIBUTION AND TAKE VERY LITTLE PUBLIC BENEFITS.

IN THIS CASE IT BECAME A DRAIN ON THE PUBLIC BENEFITS BECAUSE OF HOUSING.

AND NEW YORK IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSING MARKETS, SO IT BECAME, YOU KNOW, THE NEW YORK CITY MAYOR SAYS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ABOUT $12 BILLION IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND THAT IS A LARGE TICKET, AND THAT'S SORT OF WHAT'S GOTTEN PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

>> SO WHERE SHOULD THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN LIE, SO THE CITY'S MAY, THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE BOTH UNDERSTANDS THE BENEFITS THESE HUMAN BEINGS PROVIDE TO THE ECONOMY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME $12 BILLION DOESN'T MATERIALIZE OUT OF THIN AIR, AND I CAN SEE THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OR THE STATE SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, I DON'T WANT TO FOOT PART OF THAT BILL.

>> I THINK THERE ARE TWO POLICY THINGS THAT ONE MUST ADDRESS FROM HERE.

ONE IS AS I SAID ABOUT THE ASYLUM REFORM, THAT'S CRITICAL.

I THINK THAT WILL PROBABLY AFFECT.

BUT IN NEW YORK CITY I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH THE CONSENT DECREE OF 1981.

WHICH I BELIEVE -- LISTEN, I'M NOT A HOUSING EXPERT.

I'M AN IMMIGRATION EXPERT, SO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.

I DON'T THINK THAT DECREE WEZ MEANT FOR THIS POPULATION.

THAT WAS MEANT FOR HOMELESS MEN DYING FROM FROSTBITE.

SO IT'S CLEAR PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS THE INTENDED POPULATION OF DECREE WAS.

SO PEOPLE SHOULD NOT GET EASY ACCESS TO CITY SHELTER.

THEY SHOULD INTEGRATE THROUGH FAMILY NETWORKS, FAMILIAL AND SOCIAL NETWORKS FROM THEIR VILLAGES AND COUNTRIES.

THAT PEOPLE HAVE HISTORICALLY RELIED ON.

>> DO YOU SEE THE STEPS THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS TAKEN TO EXTEND TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE STATUS TO VENEZUELANS EASING ANY OF THOSE PRESSURES ON, SAY, THE CITY OF NEW YORK?

BECAUSE AT THIS POINT THESE FOLKS WILL NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN THE SHADOWS OR LIVE IN THE SHELTERS.

AND THEY PERHAPS WILL BE ALLOWED TO GAINFULLY EMPLOY THEMSELVES AND BECOME, I GUESS, THE CITY'S HOPING THEY ARE LESS OF A BURDEN ON THE CITY.

>> YEAH, THAT'S THE SECOND I THINK POLICY ISSUE THE ADMINISTRATION IS FOCUSED ON.

I THINK HERE THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WAS SLOW TO ACT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THIS IS NOT ANOTHER CHAPTER IN AMERICAN IMMIGRATION HISTORY, THAT THIS IS A CRISIS.

AND WE SHOULD HAVE TREATED IT LIKE THE WAY WE TREAT THE REFUGEE CRISIS.

WHEN REFUGEES COME TO OUR COUNTRY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES WHERE THEY GO.

WE DECIDE TO SEND PEOPLE EITHER THEY HAVE FAMILIES OR THEY HAVE RICHER PLACES WHERE THEY CAN GET EASILY INTEGRATED WHERE THE HOUSING MARKET IS LOW, AND I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD SAY AT THE BORDER IF WE'RE GOING TO TRAIN THESE PEOPLE, WE'RE GOING TO PROCESS THEM AT THE BORDER, AND AT THE BORDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DECIDE WHICH CITIES AND WHICH STATES THEY GOTO.

ONCE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDES IT'S GOING TO BE NOT NEW YORK CITY, NOT SAN FRANCISCO BUT GOING TO GO TO PLACES WHERE THE HOUSING MARKET IS NOT AS EXPENSIVE.

IF WE DO THAT I THINK THERE'LL BE A COORDINATED RESPONSE AND NEW YORK WILL NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE BURDEN THAT IT DOES.

>> WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLACES, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE MOST OF THE MIGRANTS ARE COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES, TEXAS BEARS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF THAT STRAIN.

THERE ARE STATES OF EMERGENCY THAT HAVE BEEN DECLARED IN SEVERAL TOWNS ACROSS TEXAS NOW.

HOW MUCH OF THAT IS POLITICAL OR PRACTICAL CAN BE DEBATED, BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT'S THE GIANT PORT OF ENTRY, THE GIANT LAND BORDER WHERE THIS CROSSING IS HAPPENING.

I WONDER BECAUSE OF THAT AND THE ACTIONS OF GOVERNOR ABBOTT FROM TEXAS, THE ACCELERATED POLITICAL NATURE OF THIS CONVERSATION, IS THIS A SITUATION NOW WHERE GOVERNOR ABBOTT BY WILL OF HIS ACTIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF IS WINNING THAT ARGUMENT AGAINST A KATHY HOCHUL OF NEW YORK OR AN ERIC ADAMS?

>> I THINK GOVERNOR HOCHUL ACTUALLY ADMITTED LAST WEEK THAT HE HAD WON THE ARGUMENT.

I THINK HE DID FIND THE OPENING WORDS HERE.

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN POLITICALLY MOTIVATED INITIALLY, BUT HE DID STRIKE THE MESSAGE THAT THIS IS A CRISIS, AND I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INSTEAD OF TREATING THIS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN VERSUS DEMOCRAT, BORDER CITIES VERSUS INSIDE BLUE CITIES, THE PRESIDENT AS I SAID EARLIER SHOULD HAVE CONVENED IF NOT ALL 50 GOVERNORS, AT LEAST THE GOVERNORS OF IMPACTED STATES.

SAY, LOOK, WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT PLACE, LET'S DO THIS TOGETHER.

WE KNOW THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A FOOD FIGHT.

AND THEN ALLOCATED FEDERAL RESOURCES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN SO THAT THIS WOULD BECOME A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY AS AGAINST THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ONLY SOUTHERN STATES WHICH ARE IMPACTED IN THE INITIAL STAGES OF MIGRATION AND NEW YORK WHICH IS IMPACTED AS THE DESTINATION STATE.

WE'VE ENDURED.

THE ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD DIFFICULTY EVEN CALLING IT A CRISIS, AND THAT ITSELF IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T AGREE ON THE VOCABULARY, HOW WILL YOU AGREE ON THE SOLUTION?

>> IS IT SOMETHING BORDER TOWNS IN TEXAS CAN DO, THE LOCALITIES IN TEXAS CAN DO DIFFERENTLY TO DEAL WITH WHAT THEY'RE FACING?

>> I THINK RECOGNIZE NOW THE LOCALITIES IN TEXAS, TEXAS WAS ALWAYS A RECEPTACLE BECAUSE OF WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS.

MOST OF THEM DON'T STAY IN TEXAS.

SO THE IMPACT ON TEXAS IS SHORT-TERM, BUT IT CAN BE SEVERE FOR A SMALL TOWN.

THAT'S WHY I THINK THE PRESSURE SHOULD BE LET OFF THESE -- THESE RECEPTION CITIES.

AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD ESTABLISH RECEPTION CENTER ALL ACROSS THE BORDER IN MY OPINION.

THEY SHOULD BE RUN LIKE CAMPUSES WHICH IS ALL GOVERNMENT, ALL AGENCIES FROM DHS TO EVEN DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE TO HHS WHICH PROCESSES KIDS, AND IN THOSE CAMPUSES YOU SHOULD HAVE LEGAL SERVICE PROVIDERS SO IT LOOKS LIKE ALL GOVERNMENT PLUS PRIVATE SECTOR RESPONDS.

IF WE DO IT, THEN WE CAN HAVE REASONABLY GOOD HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND A GOOD -- SET GOOD POLICY TO RESETTLE THEM WHERE WE THINK IT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GO.

IF THEY HAVE A FAMILY CONNECTION, THAT'S WHERE THEY GO FIRST.

IF THEY DON'T HAVE A FAMILY CONNECTION, THEN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THOSE RECEPTION CENTERS DECIDES WHERE THEY SHOULD BE HEADED.

>> YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS THEORETICALLY LIKE IT SHOULD WORK, AND THIS IS ALL SORT OF ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF AN ORDERLY PROCESS.

"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" ESTIMATED ANOTHER 130,000 PEOPLE WERE CROSSING THROUGH THE DARION GAP.

THAT MEANS THAT SURGE IS COMING TO THE UNITED STATES.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

HOW MANY POSSIBLE SORT OF INFORMATION TAKERS DO YOU HAVE AT THE BORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS THIS JUST SHEER VOLUME OF HUMAN BEINGS?

>> YEAH, I MEAN NONE OF WHICH SHOULD BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS IS NOT A BIG CRISIS.

I MEAN THAT'S -- I THINK ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS A BIG CRISIS WOULD HELP.

SO YOU GET MEXICO INVOLVED IN A MUCH DIFFERENT WAY, IN PEOPLE COMING FROM SOUTH OF MEXICO TO NORTHERN MEXICO.

I MEAN PART OF THIS IS MEXICO'S ISSUE.

PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH MEXICO, THEN YOU REALLY DO ENGAGE PEOPLE -- COUNTRIES IN THE REGION TO SAY, LOOK, IF PEOPLE ARE TRULY FLEEING PERSECUTION OR CONDITIONS FOR SAFETY, THAT'S A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST ONE MAGIC BULLET GOING TO DO IT.

WE HAVE TO DO IT IN A BIG WAY AND IN A VERY CONCERTED WAY WHERE DIPLOMACY HELPS.

BUT I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY CONGRESS HAS BEEN -- MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ESPECIALLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE BUSY USING THE NARRATIVE OR BORDER CRISIS AS A POLITICAL SLOGAN, BUT THEY'LL NOT LIFT A FINGER IN APPROVING MORE APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE BORDER PATROL OR THE ASYLUM OFFICERS.

WE NEED THOUSANDS MORE ASYLUM OFFICERS.

WE NEED THOUSANDS MORE JUDGES.

THEY'RE AS IMPORTANT TO THIS FIGHT AS WE HAVE TROOPS AT THE BORDER.

AND YOU NEED DETENTION FACILITIES.

YOU NEED THESE PROCESSING CENTERS NOW TO BE ESTABLISHED AT A WAR FOOTING.

THAT NEEDS MONEY AND AT THE SCALE OF MONEY CONGRESS CAN ONLY APPROPRIATE AND THEY STOP USING IT AS A POLITICAL PLOY AND FINDING SOLUTIONS, WE MIGHT GET TO A DIFFERENT PLACE.

>> SENIOR FELLOW FROM THE MIGRATION POLICY INSTITUTE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.