>> "ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.

>> Eric: BEEN ANOTHER WEEK OF INTENSE NATIONAL FOCUS ON MINNESOTA WITH A NONLETHAL SHEETING BY AN I.C.E.

AGENT IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS, MORE I.C.E.

AGENTS BEING SENT TO THE STATE, CALLS FOR LOCAL OFFICIALS FOR PROTESTS AND DEMONSTRATIONS TO BE PEACEFUL AND A PRESIDENT TRUMP THREAT TO INVOKE THE INSURRECTION ACT IN MINNESOTA.

WE'VE GATHERED LEGAL EXPERTS AND OTHERS TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TONIGHT TO THE WEEK'S NEWS.

MARY LAHAMMER CONTINUES TO TRACK THE STORY AS WELL.

>> WE'LL EXPLORE THE COMPLICATED LEGAL ISSUES IN THE AGGRESSIVE IMMIGRATION ACTION IN MINNESOTA.

>> IF YOU HAVE TRAINED MPD OFFICER HAT'S WE PAY TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS, COME UP WITH A PLAN, TRY THAT PLAN TO SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT.

WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THE NARRATIVE.

>> THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC" "ALMANAC."

"ALMANAC."

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>> Eric: WE HAVE A VERY FULL SHOW FOR YOU TONIGHT AND JUST LIKE LAST WEEK, IT WILL BE HEAVY AT TIMES.

THE EYES OF THE NATION REMAIN FOCUSED ON MINNESOTA AS AGGRESSIVE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT CONTINUES.

ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT A NON-LETHAL I.C.E.

AGENT SHOOTING IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS LED THE AGENT AN THE PERSON TO SEEK SOME MEDICAL ATTENTION, THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

AND LAST WEEK'S FATAL USE OF FORCE, OBSERVER HAVE DIFFERENT NARRATIVES ABOUT THE SHOOTING.

>> Cathy: MINNESOTA ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON AND HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY MARY MORIARTY WILL JOIN US SHORTLY.

ALSO HERE TONIGHT, FORMER U.S.

ATTORNEY THOMAS HEFFELFINGER, ST.

PAUL MAYOR KAOHLY HER, AND JAYLANI HUSSEIN FROM CAIR MINNESOTA.

FIRST, HERE'S A QUICK LOOK A SOME OF THIS WEEK'S ONGOING CITIZEN OPPOSITION IN THE TWIN CITIES.

GATHERED BY ALMANAC REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER.

[ HORNS BEEPING ] [ SHOUTING ] >> YOU HAVE NO JURY DICTION OVER AMERICAN CITIZENS.

[ BLEEP) (SHOUTING ] >> WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BE HERE [ MUSIC PLAYING ] [ WHISTLES BLOWING ] [ GROUP SINGING ] >> THIS LITTLE LIGHT OF MINE I'M GONNA LET IT SHINE LET IS SHINE, LET IT SHINE [ GROUP SINGING ] >> LET IT SHINE, LET IT SHINE LET IT SHINE [ CLAPPING ] [ SINGING CONTINUES ] >> LET IT SHINE, LET IT SHINE >> WE COME TOGETHER BECAUSE OUR WHOLE STATE IS BEING TERRORIZED RIGHT NOW BY I.C.E.

I.C.E.

IS TEARING FAMILIES APART, I.C.E.

IS BRUTALIZING PEOPLE, I.C.E.

IS HUNTING DOWN OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING FROM TARGET YET.

AND WE REALLY NEED TARGET TO STAND WITH US AND TO SAY I.C.E., GET OUT OF MINNESOTA NOW.

>> I.C.E.

OUT!

♪ >> Eric: WHILE THE TOP JOB IN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS A POLITICAL APPOINTMENT, THE ASSISTANTS THAT DO THE LEGAL WORK ARE OFTEN CAREERISTS SO THE RESIGNATION OF SIX ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS EARLIER THIS WEEK IS RARE.

TOM HEFFELFINGER HELD THE TOP SPOT AS MINNESOTA'S U.S.

ATTORNEY ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS DURING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCIES.

WELCOME BACK.

WILL WE GET WORD FROM THE MAJOR NEWS NETWORKS THAT THE DOJ HAS STARTED A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO MAYOR FREY AND GOVERNOR WALZ.

AND FOR IMPEDING LAW ENFORCEMENT'S EFFORTS DURING THE SURGE.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH U.S.

ATTORNEY IS DOING IT.

AND YOU'D KNOW THAT BY SEEING THE LETTER OR THE SUBPOENA.

IF IT'S THE U.S.

ATTORNEY FROM MINNESOTA, Mr.

ROSEN, THEN HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MAKING THAT DECISION TO DO THAT.

HOWEVER, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DECISION TO GO AFTER THE PRESIDENT, SO HE ALMOST CERTAINLY GOT TO THAT DIRECTION FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OR FROM THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.

AND I WANT TO SEE THOSE THINGS.

>> Cathy: AND THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION, WE SHOULD SAY THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION HAVE SAID THEY HAVE NOT SEEN ANY SUBPOENA AT THIS POINT.

>> THAT MEANS THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING SHARED WITH OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS WAS LEAKED AND IT'S A CRIME.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A CHANGING SITUATION AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU HOUGHT WHEN YOU FIRST HEARD OF THOSE SIX VERY WELL KNOWN, TALENTED ATTORNEYS IN THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN THEY ALL DECIDED TO LEAVE EN MASS.

>> CLEARLY THE GROUP FOUND A RED LINE THEY WOULDN'T CROSS.

THEY WERE BEING ASKED TO DO SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO.

BECAUSE THOSE WERE ALL AND STILL ARE ALL OUTSTANDING LAWYERS, THEY ARE OUTSTANDING PROSECUTORS, AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA WAS A REAL GIFT.

MY FIRST REACTION WAS WHAT A LOSS, WHAT A LOSS TO LOSE SIX EXPERIENCED PROSECUTORS.

WHEN WE NEED EVERY -- BECAUSE ANY ONE OF THEM OR ALL OF THEM TOGETHER COULD HAVE -- ON THE SHOOTING, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO DO THAT.

>> Cathy: WE SHOULD SAY -- >> FROM THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> Cathy: YES.

WE SHOULD SAY THAT THERE'S JOE THOMPSON WHO WAS THE HEAD OF THE, YOU KNOW, HE -- IN MINNESOTA.

ANOTHER ATTORNEY WAS HEADING UP THE VANCE BELTER CASE, ALLEGED ASSASSIN OF SPEAKER HORTMAN.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE HIGH PROFILE PROSECUTIONS IF YOU LOSE TALENT LIKE THAT?

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO BE AN OPTIMIST HERE.

ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS GENERALLY REALLY WANT THOSE JOBS.

AND WHEN YOU GET A CADRE OF ASSISTANT U.S.

ATTORNEYS THEY'RE ALL PRETTY DARN GOOD.

AND SO I'M GOING TO BE AN OPTIMIST AND SAY THAT WE LOSE SIX, WE'LL REPLACE THEM WITH SIX OTHERS.

IT'S NOT QUITE THAT SIMPLE BECAUSE IT TAKES LOT OF WORK TO DEVELOP THE SKILLS TO INVESTIGATE A MURDER CASE, FOR EXAMPLE.

OR A SIGNIFICANT INTERNATIONAL FRAUD.

AND SO, YES, WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE UP TO SPEED S THE PEOPLE THAT JUST LEFT.

>> Eric: WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH I.C.E.

DURING YOUR TERMS IN OFFICE?

>> VERY LITTLE.

WE DIDN'T DO MUCH VER -- AND -- THAT'S NOT TRUE.

WE HAD A LOT OF WORK ON THE CANADIAN BORDER.

I DID A LOT OF FLYING OVER THE CANADIAN BORDER WITH MINNESOTA AND THE LIKE.

IT WAS REALLY A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

GREAT RELATIONSHIP.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SIX THAT HAVE LEFT.

NOW THAT THEY'RE GONE I'M WONDERING ABOUT MORALE IN THE OFFICE.

WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT REALLY SHAKES THE OFFICE UP AND I WONDER HOW YOU REPAIR MAYBE OME WORRIED INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT.

>> THAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.

BECAUSE THERE IS A BRUISE ON MORALE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY ASKING THEMSELVES, SHOULD I LEAVE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME?

AND IT MAY EXPLAIN WHY A COUPLE PHONE CALLS I'VE MADE OVER THERE CASE RELATED I CAN'T GET ANSWERED.

BUT IT REALLY DOES HURT THE MORALE OF THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> Eric: THE METRO SURGE END, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS -- I.C.E.

IS GOING TO REMAIN IN MINNESOTA, -- 49 STATES WITH I.C.E.

-- THAT'S -- NEVER HAPPENED -- >> THERE WON'T BE 49 -- THERE WON'T BE 4,000 I.C.E.

AGENTS -- AROUND MINNESOTA BUT THERE WILL BE I.C.E.

AGENTS DOING THE WORK.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS IT WILL JUSTING FEWER.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU HELP US OUT, I BELIEVE IT WAS PAM BONDI -- OR MAYBE -- THERE'S SO MANY NAMES ND PLACES AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUBBLED UP IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I THINK IT WAS DHS SECRETARY KRISTI NOEM WHO SAID THAT -- IT WAS PAM BONDI WHO SAID THAT THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR A -- RIGHTS CASE.

>> THAT WAS DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> Cathy: AS YOU SAY, IT'S HARD TO KNOW -- KIND OF A MOVING TARGET HERE.

IS THAT TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGENT ROSS CASE AND RENEE GOOD?

COULD RENEE GOOD'S FAMILY GO FOR A CIVIL RIGHTS CASE?

>> YES, BUT THE -- MAKES A STATEMENT, I ASK MY QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU KNOW?

THERE'S NO INVESTIGATION BEEN COMPLETED.

NEITHER BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA OR BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND WHEN HE'S MAKING A STATEMENT THAT THERE'S NO BASIS FOR A CASE, HOW DO YOU KNOW?

YOU NEVER MAKE A DECISION LIKE THAT UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE, AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE THAT STATEMENT.

>> Cathy: HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING QUITE LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> NO.

I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE GIVING OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT A GOOD INVESTIGATION WOULD REVEAL WHEN THERE'S BEEN NO GOOD INVESTIGATION.

>> Eric: INSURRECTION ACT IN THE -- THE PRESIDENT SAID NOT NOW BUT I GOT IT IF I NEED IT.

>> AND HE PROBABLY IS RIGHT, HE PROBABLY HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

IT WOULD REALLY HURT ALL OF US.

IT WILL HURT MINNESOTA, AS IF WE HAVEN'T BEEN HURT ENOUGH.

>> Eric: APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> Cathy: APPRECIATE IT.

♪ >> Cathy: AMONG THE FLURRY OF LEGAL ACTIVITY RELATING TO THE I.C.E.

OPERATIONS IN MINNESOTA AND THE KILLING OF RENEE GOOD, A LAWSUIT HAS BEEN FILED BY THE STATE AND CITIES OF MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL TO REMOVE I.C.E AGENTS FROM MINNESOTA.

A PORTAL HAS BEEN CREATED BY THE STATE AND HENNEPIN COUNTY FOR OBSERVERS TO SHARE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT FATAL SHOOTING.

NOW, OUR NEXT TWO GUESTS WOULD BE KEY IN ANY STATE OR COUNTY CHARGES BROUGHT AGAINST I.C.E.

AGENTS FOR THE SHOOTING DEATH OF RENEE GOOD.

KEITH ELLISON IS MINNESOTA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL.

JOINING HIM TONIGHT, HENNEPIN COUNTY ATTORNEY MARY MORIARTY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

I KNOW YOU'RE BOTH BUSY.

I HAVE TO START WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL ELLISON, WELL, YOU KNOW THE NEWS.

YOU'RE THE STATE'S ATTORNEY, ARE YOU THE GOVERNOR'S ATTORNEY BY THE WAY?

>> IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, YEAH.

>> Cathy: MAJOR NEWS MEDIA REPORTING THAT THE GOVERNOR AND MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR FREY RE UNDER DOJ INVESTIGATION FOR ALLEGEDLY IMPEDING I.C.E.

AGENTS THROUGH THE USE OF THEIR LANGUAGE AND WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE BASIC WEAPONIZATION OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

WE'VE SEEN IT ALREADY, TISH JAMES IS A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE AND NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL, JAMES COMEY, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE CASES.

SADLY THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

PEOPLE USING THEIR AUTHORITY TO SORT OF ACCUSE PEOPLE OF NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY WHEN IT'S ON NOT, DOESN'T SEEM TO ME IN ANY WAY BASED IN REALITY.

WHAT IS A MAYOR AND GOVERNOR SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE A DRAMATIC SURGE THAT IS DEPRESSING OUR ECONOMY, IMPEDING KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, DRIVING UP LOCAL COSTS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY NOTHING ABOUT THIS?

OF COURSE THEY DO.

AND SO IF THEY'RE IN TROUBLE FOR SPEAKING UP, CRITICIZING I.C.E., THEN AND THE PRESIDENT, THEN I THINK THERE'S LITERALLY MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SAME BOAT.

I DON'T THINK -- I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING THAT AMOUNTS TO A LEGITIMATE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

>> Eric: DURING YOUR CAREERS BOTH OF YOU HAVE BEEN SKEPTICAL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY.

AND DOES THAT AT ALL COVER YOUR JUDGMENT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS CASE >> LOOK AT THE SHOOTING OF RENEE GOOD?

>> Eric: YEAH, WHATEVER PART YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY EVENTUALLY IN THIS, IF ANY.

>> SO MY ROLE, OUR ROLES ACTUALLY ARE TO GATHER WHATEVER EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN AND HAVE OUR LAWYERS TAKE A LOOK IT AND DECIDE FIRST OF ALL IS THERE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THERE FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE CAN CHARGE, AND THEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO CHARGE.

THAT'S OUR ROLE HERE.

IT HAS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE SKEPTICAL OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN SOME SITUATIONS REALLY PLAYS NO ROLE HERE.

>> YEAH, IF I COULD JUST SAY, LOOK, I'M AN ADMIRER OF LAW ENFORCEMENT.

I'M PROUD TO SAY.

AND I THINK THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY FOR OUR SAFETY DESERVE TO BE IN A PROFESSION WHERE WE HAVE HIGH STANDARDS, BECAUSE MOST OF THEM, NEARLY ALL OF THEM DEMAND HIGH STANDARDS.

IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MEET THAT STANDARD, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MATTER ALTOGETHER.

BUT, NO, I THINK THAT OTH OF US BELIEVE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL JOB AND SHOULD ONLY BE DONE BY PEOPLE WHO UPHOLD THOSE HIGH STANDARDS.

>> Cathy: HELP US OUT.

KRISTI NOEM SAID THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION IN THE GOOD MURDER.

>> SHE'S WRONG.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

>> WE MOST CERTAINLY DO.

RENEE GOOD WAS SHOT AND KILLED IN HENNEPIN COUNTY, IN MINNEAPOLIS.

WE MOST CERTAINLY HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THAT.

NOW, THERE ARE POTENTIAL LEGAL DEFENSES IN FEDERAL COURT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION TO DO AN INVESTIGATION AND TO PURSUE CHARGES IF WE THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

>> Cathy: SO, YES, GO AHEAD.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THINK IT'S TOO FAR AFIELD, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE BOSTON MASSACRE TODAY.

THIS IS A CASE THAT WENT TO LOCAL BOSTON OFFICIALS, HELD IMPERIAL BRITISH SOLDIERS ACCOUNTABLE AND TRIED THEM, FAIR TRIAL, AND THEY GOT A FAIR TRIAL AND EVEN JOHN ADAMS WAS ONE OF THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS IN THE CASE.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PREDATES THE CONSTITUTION.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT OF A STATE TO CHARGE ANYBODY WHO BREAKS THE LAW IN THAT STATE.

THE STATE OF MINNESOTA IS NOT A -- IS A SOVEREIGN, JUST LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, AND HAS A RIGHT TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS.

AND AS MARY STATED IT I COULDN'T SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN SHE DID, SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO BARRIER.

THERE'S A SUPREMACY LAUSE WHICH IS A TYPE OF IMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE APPLIED BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETE AND IT'S NOT ABSOLUTE.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MINNESOTANS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATES PREDATE THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN LAWS.

>> Cathy: THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

NOW THERE'S THE PORTAL, CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO KNOW AT THIS POINT WHAT ACCESS TO WHAT INFO DO YOU ALL HAVE RIGHT NOW?

ANYTHING AT ALL?

>> I THINK IT'S EASIER TO SAY WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO.

WE KNOW THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOOK RENEE GOOD'S CAR.

WE KNOW THAT THEY TOOK THE GUN AND SHELL CASINGS THAT WERE AT THE SCENE.

HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE ALL WONDERING HOW SHE DIED, RIGHT?

NOT HAVING THE GUN, NOT HAVING THE SHELL CASINGS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BARRIER TO GO FORWARD WITH PROSECUTION.

SO WE CREATED THE PORTAL BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS OUT THERE.

FOR INSTANCE I THINK THE WEEKEND BEFORE WE DID THAT, AND WE KNOW BEFORE THAT, THEY KEPT RELEASING VIDEOS THAT WERE NOT RELEASED TO US.

AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE KNOW EVERYBODY HAS PHONES NOW AND THEY'RE TAKING VIDEO, THAT THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THAT TO US AND THAT WE COULD COLLECT ALL OF THE INFORMATION, IN ADDITION TO THE INFORMATION THAT THE BCA HAS ALREADY COLLECTED AND IS STILL COLLECTING, SO THAT WE COULD MAKE A DECISION HERE.

>> Cathy: OKAY.

SO ONCE YOU GET THIS TOGETHER, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GOING TO DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT?

SO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT F AN IDEA HERE.

WE'VE OFTEN HEARD THAT PROSECUTION OF A FEDERAL AGENT IS AN UPHILL BATTLE.

SO I GUESS DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HANDS.

WHAT'S THE STRATEGY?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S -- YEAH.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE COLLECTING ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE, RIGHT?

AND THEN WE'RE DECIDING WHETHER CHARGES ARE APPROPRIATE.

LET'S SAY THEY ARE.

ONE THING WE'RE EXPECTING IS THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO REMOVE IT, PROBABLY REMOVE IT TO FEDERAL COURT.

INTERESTINGLY, THOUGH, IT WOULD STILL BE UNDER STATE LAW.

SO -- AND I KNOW IT'S, GETS IN THE WEEDS HERE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT STATE LAW, STATE LAW STILL APPLIES.

IT WOULD BE US PROSECUTING IN FEDERAL COURT.

THE DIFFERENCE IS WOULD BE WE'D HAVE A FEDERAL JUDGE AND THAT JURY WOULD BE DRAWN FROM BROADER MINNESOTA, NOT JUST HENNEPIN COUNTY.

>> Eric: IF THERE WAS NO SEPARATION AGREEMENT, IF THE COPS COULD ENACT AND COOPERATE WITH I.C.E., WOULD ANY OF THIS NOT HAPPENED OR WOULD IT HAVE BEEN ANY DIFFERENT?

>> I THINK THAT THIS ESCALATION THAT YOU'VE SEEN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM ANY POLICY DECISION.

AND SPEAKING OF THE CIVIL CASE, WE'VE DECIDED TO FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL, BECAUSE THIS DRAMATIC ESCALATION IS CAUSING SO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

ERIC, LET ME JUST POINT OUT.

WE DIDN'T -- THIS LAWSUIT WASN'T FILED LAST YEAR OR EVEN TEN YEARS AGO.

I.C.E.

HAS EXISTED ALL THAT TIME.

WHY HAVEN'T WE SUED THEM?

BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING WITHIN THE LAW.

THIS DRAMATIC ESCALATION WHICH HAS RESULTED IN NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS OF PEOPLE'S CIVIL RIGHTS, INCREASED COSTS TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT, DRAMATIC INCREASED COSTS IN THE MILLIONS, DIMINISHING PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GO TO SCHOOL, TO GO TO THEIR JOBS, TO WORK, ALL OF THAT IS NEW, IS A POLICY CHOICE, IT EVEN IS HAS A NAME, IT'S CALLED "METRO SURGE."

AND WE ONTEND THAT IT VIOLATES THE TENTH AMENDMENT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES ACT, SEPARATION OF POWERS, AND SO WE'RE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

>> Eric: THANK YOU BOTH.

I KNOW IT'S TO BE CONTINUED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE -- AT CATH LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT.

>> WE CAN COME BACK.

>> Eric: THANKS.

WE CAN COUNT ON IT.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

♪ >> START TALKING ABOUT RACIAL ISSUES IN MINNESOTA IT'S ALWAYS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT.

PEOPLE IN MINNESOTA SIMPLY JUST DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT RACE RELATIONS AND RACIAL INTERACTIONS AND RACIAL DISPARITY IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

IT'S JUST NOT POLITE CONVERSATION.

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS FOR SOMALIS IS ENDING.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED TUESDAY THE UPCOMING TERMINATION IS SET FOR MARCH 17TH.

LATEST IN THE PRESIDENT'S CRACKDOWN ON IMMIGRATION AS SOMALIS ARE FACING INCREASED I.C.E.

PRESENCE IN THE STATE.

JAYLANI HUSSEIN FROM THE MINNESOTA CHAPTER OF THE COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS, CAIR MINNESOTA JOINED US LAST WEEK AND HE'S BACK HERE AGAIN.

LET'S START WITH THIS MARCH.

THIS DEMONSTRATION THAT'S PLANNED FOR TOMORROW IN DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS.

THIS IS A GROUP THAT IS PRO-ICE, TO SAY -- WE'LL PHRASE IT THAT WAY.

HOW WORRIED ARE YOU BOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF THAT GROUP MARCHES FROM DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS?

>> FIRST OF ALL IT'S A VERY COLD DAY SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY AS WE ALWAYS AVE TO BE SAFE.

THERE IS A COUNTER-PROTEST BUT WE'RE NOT ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO TAKE THE BAIT.

PROTEST PEACEFULLY.

AND I THINK ANYBODY WHO CAME FROM OUT OF TOWN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAND OUT -- >> Eric: WHAT'S THE COMMUNITY MOOD?

>> I THINK WE'RE IN THE IDDLE OF A MOMENT.

I JUST CAME FROM A EETING RIGHT NOW.

PEOPLE, NEIGHBORS ARE OMING TOGETHER.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO EACH OTHER FOR WEEKS, WE'VE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER, WE ARE RESPONDING, AND THE MURDER OF RENEE GOOD HAS REALLY TAKEN US TO ANOTHER LEVEL AND I THINK MINNESOTANS ARE IN THIS MOMENT REALLY STANDING UP.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING HERE, COULD YOU TELL FOLKS WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS, WHAT IS IT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE OULD IT AFFECT HERE IN MINNESOTA?

>> SO THE NUMBERS HAVE ALWAYS VARIED, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT SAID 2500 BUT WE ANTICIPATED BETWEEN 700 TO 500 IS WHAT WE INITIALLY -- IT'S A PROGRAM MEANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE UNITED STATES, CANNOT GO BACK TO THE COUNTRY THAT THEY CAME FROM.

>> Eric: THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS CONDITIONS HAVE IMPROVED IN SOMALIA.

>> WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE EITHER KRISTI NOEM IS TELLING THE TRUTH OR RUBIO IS TELLING THE TRUTH.

BECAUSE THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE SAYS SOMALIA IS CATEGORY FOUR, DO NOT TRAVEL.

KRISTI NOEM SAYS IT HAS IMPROVED.

ONE OF THEM IS TELLING THE TRUTH AND ONE OF THEM IS LYING.

THE ONE THAT'S TELLING THE TRUTH HAS NOT CHANGED, THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE.

THE GOOD NEWS -- NOT GOOD NEWS BUT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE ON TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS HAVE ALSO SOME OTHER WAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ACTUAL PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP AND MOST SOMALI AMERICANS HAVE CHILDREN OR SPOUSES OR OTHERS SO WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO THEIR MMIGRATION ATTORNEYS.

>> Cathy: HOW WORRIED ARE FOLKS?

MARCH 17TH IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY.

>> IT'S UPHEAVING FOR SOME.

SOME ARE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME.

OTHERS ARE GOING TO RELY ON THEIR EXISTING PATHWAYS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON UNDER THE TPS.

SO IN THIS TIME IT'S PAINFUL FOR EVERYBODY AND WE'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PARTICULAR POPULATION.

BUT IT IS ONE OF THE IN FACT PERHAPS THE SMALLEST OF ALL THE TPS PROGRAMS.

WHICH AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE ROOT ISSUE.

SOMALI AMERICANS CAME TO AMERICA THROUGH LEGAL PATHWAYS.

WE ARE PREDOMINANTLY REFUGEES, 98%, LOW 95% ARE GREEN CARD HOLDERS OR U.S.

CITIZENS.

>> Eric: DO YOU THINK THE FRAUD CASES GOT THE ATTENTION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THAT'S IN PART THE REASON FOR THE SURGE?

>> I THINK THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS HAVE USED THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE BOOK TO CRIMINALIZE FLACK PEOPLE AND GET AWAY WITH IT WE ARE MINNESOTANS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FRAUD.

IT'S BEEN COVERED, ADDRESSED, IT HAS NO NAME OR COMMUNITY.

IT HAS INDIVIDUALS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE RESPONSIBLE.

TARGETING A COMMUNITY AND CLAIMING ALL OF THEM ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT THAT IS THE TEXTBOOK DEFINITION OF DISCRIMINATION AND RACISM.

THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN THIS MOMENT.

>> Cathy: I THINK PEOPLE THINK OF THE SOMALI COMMUNITY IN THE TWIN CITIES BUT OF COURSE LARGE SOMALI COMMUNITY IN SAY ST.

CLOUD.

WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE AT THE ST.

CLOUD MALL WITH THE CLASH BETWEEN SOMALI AMERICANS AND I.C.E.

AGENTS?

>> WELL, I THINK IT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN WILLMAR, OTHER PARTS OF GREATER MINNESOTA, SOMALI AMERICANS ARE EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, AND OBVIOUSLY IN ST.

CLOUD IT WAS VERY TENSE.

I THINK THE FIRST DAY HEY BROUGHT SOME I.C.E.

AGENTS, NEXT DAY THEY BROUGHT ABOUT 100 OF THEM.

PEOPLE RESPONDED AND HERE'S THE THING, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO ARREST, THEY'RE ALL CITIZENS.

SO THIS IS THE PART THAT I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP TO.

WHEN THEY COME TO SOMALI AMERICANS THEY CAN'T FIND ANYONE WHO'S UNDOCUMENTED.

I MEAN, PUT THAT TO YOURSELF.

THEY'RE SENDING AN OFFICER TO YOU WHO CANNOT TAKE YOU INTO PRISON BECAUSE YOU'RE A U.S.

CITIZEN.

THAT IS THE REALITY.

AND THAT CROWD THAT WAS STANDING THERE, BRAVE SOMALIS BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES AT ANY MOMENT IF THEY WERE CAPTURED BY I.C.E.

WOULD BE RELEASED WITHIN HOURS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL CITIZENS.

AND NOW WE'VE SEEN A PATTERN WHERE THEY'RE TARGETING LAWFUL REFUGEES, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN ST.

CLOUD AND OTHER PLACES AND WE'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEY ARE ALSO DENYING SAYING, OH, WE'RE NOT PICKING UP REFUGEES BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

SO IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP.

THEY ARE NOT ENFORCING IMMIGRATION.

THEY ARE TARGETING COMMUNITIES, THEY ARE LITERALLY CREATING HAVOC IN OUR STREETS.

>> Eric: APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

♪ >> Eric: WHEN WE PLANNED TO INVITE ST.

PAUL'S NEW MAYOR TO JOIN US NEAR THE BEGINNING OF 2026, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT HER FIRST WEEKS ON THE JOB WOULD LOOK LIKE AND I'M GUESSING SHE DIDN'T EITHER.

ST.

PAUL MAYOR KAOHLY HER WAS SWORN IN FEBRUARY -- JANUARY 2ND, LESS THAN A WEEK LATER, ENEE GOOD WAS FATALLY SHOT BY AN I.C.E.

AGENT IN MINNEAPOLIS AND AGGRESSIVE TACTICS BY I.C.E.

ARE INCREASING AROUND THE TWIN CITIES.

MAYOR, WELCOME BACK.

IF YOU HAD TIME TO MULTITASK AND GET YOUR NEW OFFICE IN ORDER?

>> WELL, THERE'S NOTHING HUNG ON THE WALLS YET BUT WE'RE GETTING THE OFFICE IN ORDER FOR THE THINGS IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW.

>> Cathy: WHAT A WILD FIRST TWO WEEKS.

OH, MY GOODNESS.

I WONDER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN IMMIGRANT EXPERIENCE.

>> MM-HMM.

>> Cathy: OBVIOUSLY.

WHAT'S THIS LIKE FOR YOU TO WATCH ALL OF THIS?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY -- IT'S VERY REAL TO ME.

AND, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS UNFOLD NOT JUST THIS LAST FEW WEEKS, I STARTED GOING TO IMMIGRATION CHECK-INS WITH PEOPLE WITH REMOVAL ORDERS BACK IN JUNE ALREADY.

AND SO IT'S LIKE I STARTED SEEING THIS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE WERE AFRAID BACK THEN AND IT'S ONLY AMPED UP AND RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE AFRAID AND TO SEE THAT FIRSTHAND AND PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY HAS BEEN HEARTBREAKING FOR ME.

>> Cathy: I HAVE A OOD FRIEND WHO IS SOUTHEAST ASIAN AND SHE SAID I'M WALKING AROUND WITH MY PASSPORT.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU DOING THE SAME THING?

>> I AM.

I'M WALKING AROUND WITH MY PASSPORT CARD SO I HAVE THAT WITH ME ALL THE TIME.

>> Eric: CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS TRYING TO GET CONSIDERATION OF AN EVEN TOUGHER SEPARATION ORDINANCE, AND IT DIDN'T ADVANCE IN THE COUNCIL YET.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?

AND WOULD THINGS BE DIFFERENT IF THE POLICE WERE ALLOWED TO COOPERATE?

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION.

I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING OURSELF IS DO WE HAVE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHO WILL RESPECT ANYTHING THAT WE DO?

AND I THINK THAT IS THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HAVE A LEADER AT THE TOP OF OUR COUNTRY WHO DOES NOT RESPECT LAW AND ORDER, DOES NOT RESPECT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IT, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS THAT WE DO, WE CAN'T HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO BE.

>> Cathy: HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO PEOPLE, SAY IN ROGTOWN OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF ST.

PAUL FOR FOLKS IN GREATER MINNESOTA, FROGTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A LARGE HMONG POPULATION, AND THE WEST END, WEST SIDE IS MEXICAN-AMERICAN, LATINO.

HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS?

WHAT ARE PEOPLE SAYING?

>> I HAVE AND I ACTUALLY HAVE CONVENED CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF ORGANIZATIONS WITH SMALL IMMIGRANT BUSINESSES FROM COMMUNITIES.

I MEAN, EVERYONE IS VERY WORRIED.

WHEN WE'RE SEEING SALES, -- ONE PARTICULAR LATINA MERCADO SAID THEIR BUSINESS IS DOWN 60%.

I VOLUNTEER PERSONALLY AT A FEW OF THEM TO HELP WITH DELIVERIES, OPENING AND CLOSING, LOCKING AND UNLOCKING DOORS FOR CUSTOMERS.

PEOPLE ARE OPERATING UNDER AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF FEAR AND WORRY RIGHT NOW.

>> Eric: HAS THE ST.

PAUL SCHOOL DISTRICT CONFERRED WITH YOU?

HOW DO YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING?

>> YES, I DID MEET WITH SUPERINTENDENT OF ST.

PAUL PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SHE AND I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS AROUND PREPARING FOR WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND SO NEXT WEEK THEY WILL BE CLOSING, THEY WILL BE GOING TO REMOTE LEARNING FOR A FEW DAYS.

YES, WE ARE ALL AT DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT COORDINATING AND AVING CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OTHER.

>> Eric: AND ARE YOU SEEING A LOT OF POLICE OVERTIME?

>> YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW I MEAN WE'VE ACTUALLY I THINK IT HAS BEEN BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR US IN ST.

PAUL HERE AND WE HAVE HAD SOME COORDINATION WITH MINNEAPOLIS AND PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR 911 CALLS BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MANAGE PUBLIC SAFETY IN OUR CITY AND PIEING SUPPORT WHERE WE NEED TO.

>> Cathy: WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS OFF-AIR, IT SEEMS SO LONG AGO BUT IT WAS, WHAT, IN NOVEMBER WHEN THE ST.

PAUL POLICE GOT INTO SOME PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THEIR RESPONSE TO AN I.C.E.

RAID IN ST.

PAUL.

WHERE DOES THAT WHOLE THING STAND AT THIS POINT?

WAS THERE AN INVESTIGATION?

>> YEAH, SO THERE IS AN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION RIGHT NOW.

CITY COUNCIL HAS ALSO CALLED FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.

AND THIS IS THAT SITUATION -- IS ONGOING AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO BETTER.

I THINK IT LED US TO WORKING MORE CLOSELY WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE IMMIGRANT DEFENSE NETWORK AND HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER WHEN THERE IS PROTEST WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LARGE GROUPS AND HOW DO WE LEVERAGE THESE RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR PARTNERS WHO ARE ON THE GROUND SO THEY CAN HELP WITH THE SITUATION.

>> Eric: WHAT ABOUT AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE YOUR MAYORSHIP, HOW'S THAT WORKING?

>> YEAH, ELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WAS THE STRUCTURE THAT I ENT WITH BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AS FIRST ASSISTANT MAYOR ERICA SCHOMACKER AND I ARE DEALING WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES RIGHT NOW AND PUTTING OUT THESE FIRES.

ASSISTANT MAYOR NIC STUMO-LANGER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WOUMO-LANGER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKO-LANGER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKINLANGER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING NGER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ONER AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON T AND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON THEND JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON THE L JUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON THE LINUDY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON THE LINESY PFARR ARE- WORKING ON THE LINES TPFARR ARE- WORKING ON THE LINES TO ARR ARE- WORKING ON THE LINES TO KER ARE- WORKING ON THE LINES TO KEEPARE- WORKING ON THE LINES TO KEEPARE- THE CITY MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE CRISES DON'T STOP OPERATIONS.

SO I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT HAT.

>> Cathy: GETTING READY FOR SESSION OBVIOUSLY.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF ST.

PAUL IN TERMS OF THINGS YOU WANT?

>> LEGISLATIVE AGENDA BEFORE CITY COUNCIL I THINK IN ANOTHER WEEK AND A HALF OR SO, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK OUR CITY NEEDS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING PREWORK WITH LEGISLATORS LETTING THEM KNOW WE NEED HELP INVESTING IN OUR CAPITAL CITY.

>> Eric: THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.

>> THANKS OR HAVING ME.

♪ >> Cathy: THIS WEEK IN D.C.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SPARRED WITH ALLIES AND ENEMIES ALIKE.

HE INTENSIFIED CALLS FOR THE U.S.

TO ACQUIRE GREENLAND, AND THREATENED TO STRIKE IRAN OVER THE RISING DEATH TOLL OF PROTESTERS IN THAT COUNTRY.

STATESIDE, U.S.

SENATE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED A CHECK ON TRUMP'S WAR POWERS IN VENEZUELA, AND OF COURSE THE PRESIDENT THREATENED TO INVOKE THE INSURRECTION ACT AGAINST OUR OWN NORTH STAR STATE.

AS YOU'VE HEARD.

DAVID SCHULTZ TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST.

THOMAS.

OKAY.

WE STARTED THE SHOW WITH TOM HEFFELFINGER TALKING ABOUT THE BREAKING NEWS WHICH OF COURSE MAJOR NEWS OUTLETS ARE REPORTING THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS OPENED A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AGAINST GOVERNOR WALZ AND MINNEAPOLIS MAYOR FREY FOR STATEMENTS ALLEGEDLY MPEDING FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS' ABILITIES TO DO THEIR JOBS HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES.

AND I'M WONDERING AS A LAW PROFESSOR, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

>> MM-HMM.

OKAY, FIRST IT'S 18 U.S.

CODE 372.

THE REASON WHY I MENTION THIS, IT BASICALLY SAYS TWO OR MORE PEOPLE TO HAVE TO CONSPIRE TO USE FORCE OR THREATS OR INTIMIDATION TO PREVENT FEDERAL OFFICIALS FROM DOING THEIR JOB.

ARGUABLY WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING HERE IS THAT WHEN JACK SMITH CHARGED DONALD TRUMP FOR ACTIONS ARISING OUT OF JANUARY 6TH, IT WAS THE SAME ORDINANCE OR SAME CONSPIRACY STATUTE BEING USED.

THE REASON I MENTION THIS IS THAT DO WE HAVE A RIGHT AS U.S.

CITIZENS INCLUDING THE -- GOVERNMENT, YES, WE MOST CERTAINLY HAVE THAT RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT HERE.

IF DONALD TRUMP'S COMMENTS ON JANUARY 6TH WERE PROTECTED SPEECH, AND MANY OF US ARGUE INCLUDING ME THAT THAT WAS PROTECTED SPEECH THEN SURELY WHAT WALZ AND WHAT FREY HAVE SAID IS ALSO PROTECTED SPEECH.

THIS ORDINANCE HAS NEVER, EVER BEEN USED IN ITS ENTIRE HISTORY TO GO AFTER LANGUAGE, MERE LANGUAGE ALONE.

>> Eric: INSURRECTION ACT, PRESIDENT SAYS I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT NOW BUT I'VE GOT IT HANDY.

WHAT DOES IT GO BACK, 1700S, 1800S?

>> IT GOES BACK TO 1807 AND THE INSURRECTION ACT HAS BEEN INVOKED BY 17 PRESIDENTS 30 TIMES.

THE MOST RECENT WAS THE RODNEY KING RIOTS IN 1991.

GENERALLY THE BRINGING OUT OF FEDERAL TROOPS IS AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT.

ONE THING I WANT TO EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY HERE.

I'VE HAD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE CALL ME AND SAY IS THIS MARTIAL LAW?

I SAID, NO, THERE IS NO PROVISION IN THE U.S.

CONSTITUTION THAT ALLOWS FOR THE SUSPENSION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

IF THE FEDERAL TROOPS WERE TO COME IN -- IF, IF, IF THEY WERE TO COME IN, THEY CANNOT DIRECTLY ENFORCE THE LAW.

THEY CAN PROVIDE PEACE-KEEPING BUT THEY CAN'T DIRECTLY ENFORCE THE LAW AND ALL THE RIGHTS THAT WE ENJOY STILL KICKING.

WHICH MEANS STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, TO PHOTOGRAPH I.C.E.

AGENTS, STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, YOU CAN EVEN PHOTOGRAPH FEDERAL TROOPS.

ALL THE RIGHTS REMAIN IN PLACE.

>> Cathy: CAN THE PRESIDENT IF HE INVOKES THE INSURRECTION ACT CAN HE TAKE CONTROL OF THE MINNESOTA NATIONAL GUARD?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

OKAY, THE REASON WHY I DON'T SEE THAT, THERE WAS A CASE A FEW WEEKS AGO INVOLVING ILLINOIS WHERE TRUMP WANTED TO BASICALLY BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.

ILLINOIS WON IN THE SUPREME COURT AND BUT THE SUPREME COURT SAID IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY BRING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD IF YOU CAN HOW THAT THE REGULAR ARMY CANNOT ACTUALLY KEEP THE PEACE.

THAT CASE DIDN'T INVOLVE THE INSURRECTION ACT INVOCATION THERE BUT THE SAME LOGIC MAY APPLY HERE.

THAT HE COULD ONLY NATIONALIZE THE NATIONAL GUARD IN A SITUATION WHERE, A, IF HE WANTS TO DEPLOY HEM FOR FOREIGN MILITARY PURPOSES OR, B, WITH THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNOR.

IF THE ILLINOIS DECISION IS CORRECT, HE CAN NOT NATIONALIZE UNLESS HE CAN SHOW THAT REGULAR MILITARY PERSONNEL CAN'T KEEP THE PEACE.

>> Eric: FROM 30,000 FEET THIS BLIZZARD OF LEGAL ACTIVITY AT MULTIPLE LEVELS, HOW DO YOU THINK IT'S ALL GOING TO SHAKE OUT?

>> WELL WELL, THIS IS BASICALLY -- I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT PHRASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CALLED LAW-FARE AT THIS POINT?

EVERYBODY'S USING THE LEGAL PROCESS AS A WAY TO BE ABLE TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA AT THIS POINT.

IT'S EXACTLY HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE FINAL RESULT IS GOING TO BE HERE.

WE'VE GOT LOTS OF LAWSUITS THAT HAVE SOME MERIT, SOME OF THEM THAT DON'T HAVE MERIT.

I KNOW YOU HAD MORIARTY AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON BEFORE AND I THINK THEY WERE CORRECT IN TERMS OF SAYING THAT STATE LAW STILL APPLIES.

THERE ARE SOME IMPEDIMENTS YOU HAVE TO GET ACROSS IF YOU WANT TO BRING PROSECUTION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT I DON'T SEE HAPPENING, WHAT I DON'T SEE HAPPENING ANYWHERE IN ALL THE SITUATION HERE IS A LOT OF EFFORT TO TRY TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION.

SEEMS TO ME RIGHT NOW A LOT OF SIDES ARE INFLAMING THE RHETORIC.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S CORRECT HERE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, I THINK GOVERNOR WALZ HAS TRIED TO REACH OUT TO DONALD TRUMP TO SAY LET'S RATCHET IT DOWN BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> Cathy: AND APPARENTLY THAT'S THEN TODAY IT APPEARS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS KIND OF SOFTENING A LITTLE BIT ON THE INSURRECTION ACT.

THAT, YOU KNOW, I -- WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT THAT'S IN MY -- I CAN IF I WANT SORT OF A THING.

>> YEAH.

I THINK HE'S ALSO COGNIZANT NOW IS OPTICS, OPTICS OF BRINGING MILITARY TROOPS AT THIS POINT IT, MAY NOT BE PLAYING WELL FOR HIM POLITICALLY.

>> Cathy: ALL RIGHT.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> ALWAYS, MY PLEASURE.

>> Cathy: WELL, U.S.

REPRESENTATIVES CAME TO THE MINNESOTA STATE CAPITOL FOR A FEDERAL HEARING ON THE I.C.E.

ESCALATION IN MINNESOTA.

STUDENTS STAGED WALK-OUTS, SOME SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES ARE FORCED TO CLOSE ACROSS THE STATE BECAUSE OF SAFETY CONCERNS.

LEGAL AND POLITICAL DEVELOPMENTS AND QUESTIONS ARE COMPLICATE THE.

OUR MARY LAHAMMER TAKES A LOOK AT THE LOCAL SSUES OF IMMIGRATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS AT THE CAPITOL.

>> WE'RE HERE TO ANNOUNCE A LAWSUIT WE'RE FILING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

>> THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS GONE TO COURT REPEATEDLY AGAINST THE CURRENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS TIME HE HAS A NEW IMMIGRANT MAYOR OF ST.

PAUL BY HIS SIDE.

>> TO OUR IMMIGRANT AND REFUGEE COMMUNITIES, LET ME BE CLEAR: YOU ARE A VITAL PART OF OUR CITY.

YOU ARE LOVED.

AND YOU ARE WANTED.

AND YOU ARE IMPORTANT TO THE FABRIC OF OUR STATE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> AS A REFUGEE WHO CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, THIS IS THE STATE THAT WELCOMED MY GRANDPARENTS HERE IN THE LATE '70s, ALLOWED OUR FAMILY TO BREAK THE CYCLE OF POVERTY IN ONE GENERATION, EDUCATED US.

>> >> [ CHANTING ] >> I.C.E.

OUT!

>> THERE WAS A STRUGGLE ITH A FEDERAL AGENT IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENT.

DURING THE STRUGGLE THE FEDERAL AGENT DISCHARGED HIS WEAPON STRIKING ONE ADULT MALE.

[ OUNDING ] >> THIS IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION THAT OUR CITY IS PRESENTLY BEING PUT IN.

AND AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY FORWARD.

TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.

TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS.

[ HORNS HONKING ] >> CLINT CONNER IS A MINNEAPOLIS ATTORNEY WITH HIS TONE TAKE.

>> DO YOU THINK MINNEAPOLIS POLICE ARE BEING TOO PASSIVE RIGHT NOW?

>> 100%.

AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST OF ALL IS THAT THE POLICE DON'T DICTATE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, RIGHT?

THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE POLICE IS MAYOR FREY.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OUTNUMBERED SCENARIO WE'VE BEEN HEARING THAT JUST SHEER NUMBERS, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF I.C.E.

AGENTS, MAYBE HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS.

>> THIS IS NOT ABOUT NUMBERS, RIGHT?

ENFORCING OUR LAWS IS NOT ABOUT NUMBERS.

I GOT TO?

ENFORCING OUR LAWS IS NOT ABOUT FIREPOWER.

ENFORCING OUR LAWS IS ABOUT ENFORCING OUR LAWS.

AND IF YOU HAVE TRAINED MPD OFFICERS THAT WE PAY TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS EXCUSE TO SAY WE'RE OUTNUMBERED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BIGGER GUNS.

WHY DON'T YOU TRY, WHY DON'T YOU TRY, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN, TRY THAT PLAN, SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT AND GUESS WHAT, WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU'RE CHANGING THE NARRATIVE.

>> YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY FILM I.C.E.

AGENTS AS THEY CONDUCT THESE ACTIVITIES.

SO CARRY YOUR PHONE WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES.

[ WHISTLES ] AND IF YOU SEE THESE I.C.E.

AGENTS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TAKE OUT THAT PHONE AND HIT RECORD.

HELP US CREATE A DATABASE OF THE ATROCITIES AGAINST MINNESOTANS, NOT JUST TO ESTABLISH A ECORD FOR POSTERITY, BUT TO BANK EVIDENCE FOR FUTURE PROSECUTION.

[ DRUMS BEATING ] [ HOUTING ] >> I'M IF HE MALL OF AMERICA AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS LACE SO EMPTY.

IT'S LIKE A GHOST TOWN IN HERE.

>> BUSINESSES ACROSS THE STATE ARE SUFFERING IN THE I.C.E.

SURGE AND THE ONCE BELOVED TARGET CORPORATION FACES NEW OPPOSITION AFTER EMPLOYEES WERE DETAINED WORKING AT A STORE.

>> THIS IS A ISSUE THAN TARGET BUT I AM VERY SADDENED.

I AM FRUSTRATED, OUR LEADERS AT ALL LEVELS NEED TO BE TALKING OUT, SPEAKING OUT.

WE ARE LEAVING ALL OF THIS TO THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

RIGHT, ESSENTIALLY.

AND WE FIND OURSELVES IN MINNEAPOLIS BASICALLY BEING THE VOICE OF DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD -- IN AMERICA TO THE WORLD.

>> IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME HERE NO HATE, NO FEAR IMMIGRANTS ARE WELCOME HERE NO HATE, NO FEAR >> BACK AT THE CAPITOL LAWMAKERS ARE HEARING FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO SAY THEY ON'T EEL SAFE VISITING THE CAPITOL WITHOUT WEAPONS SCREENINGS ESPECIALLY IN THESE TENSE TIMES.

>> MINNESOTA HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT THESE PAST COUPLE MONTHS.

THE SHOOTING AT ENUNCIATION SCHOOL AND CHURCH, THE SCAPEGOATING OF OUR SOMALI NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND OCCUPATION BY I.C.E.

AGENTS, MANY YOUNG PEOPLE ARE CARRYING FEAR, GRIEF AND STRESS ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES.

SAFETY PRECAUTIONS MATTER EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY IN UBLIC SPACES LIKE THE CAPITOL.

>> WE HAVE 40,000 OF THE LITTLEST MINNESOTANS OF OUR CHILDREN, RIGHT, WHO COME IN AND OUT OF THIS PLACE.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO DO SO SAFELY, THAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE BEING HERE SO THAT THEY CAN DREAM BIG.

>> THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON CAPITOL AREA SECURITY VOTED FOR METAL DETECTORS AND IS MOVING TOWARDS MORE SECURITY MEASURES FOLLOWING THE SHOOTINGS OF LAWMAKERS.

>> WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO MAKE THIS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WHEN IT COMES TO CAPITOL SECURITY.

>> WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME CHALLENGES THAT CREATE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE FEEL UNSAFE OR JUST VULNERABLE.

>> BUT THERE IS A POLITICAL DIVIDE ON FUNDING FOR MORE WEAPONS SCREENINGS.

>> THE FUNDING PICTURE IS BEYOND UNCLEAR.

AND MY RETICENCE ON MOVING FORWARD ON THAT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THINGS ARE.

♪- >> Eric: ANOTHER BIG HEAVY POLITICAL NEWSWEEK IN MINNESOTA AND THE NATION AND WE ARE GOING TO END OUR HOUR TONIGHT WITH THIS WEEK'S VERSION OF THE POLITICAL PANEL.

REPUBLICANS UP FIRST TONIGHT KURT DAUDT FORMER SPEAKER OF THE MINNESOTA HOUSE, ANNETTE MEEKS, FORMER CONGRESSIONAL STAFFER AND LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CANDIDATE, HEADS UP THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION OF MINNESOTA.

DEMOCRATS WITH US TONIGHT EMBER REICHGOTT JUNGE, SENATOR, ABOU AMARA IS HERE, FORMER LEGISLATIVE STAFFER, NOW ATTORNEY IN PRIVATE PRACTICE.

REAL QUICK DOWN THE ROAD, HOW DID WE GET HERE?

>> I THINK EGOS.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY TRUMP'S EGO, I THINK TIM WALZ'S EGO IS BIGGER THAN TRUMPS.

HE SHOULD BE TELLING PEOPLE TO STAY HOME AND NOT INTERFERE WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> SOMEHOW OUR COUNTRY HAS CHANGED FROM RULE OF LAW TO A RULE OF RETRIBUTION AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> DONALD TRUMP TOLD US, HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON RETRIBUTION OF INNESOTA BECAUSE HE THINKS HE WON THIS STATE THREE TIMES.

>> I WILL TAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT APPROACH.

DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO RESTORE ORDER AND DEPORT PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING.

FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS OUR STATE HAS DONE THIS QUIETLY.

6400 PEOPLE DEPORTED IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, NOT ONE PRETTIEST, NOT ONE CRAZY MOMENT AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS HAS BECOME SOMETHING BECAUSE TRUMP IS DOING IT.

IT'S TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

>> YEP.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHEN WHEN YOU SEE THOSE VIDEOS WITH OF I.C.E.

AGENTS KICKING PEOPLE AND DRAGGING PEOPLE OUT OF CARS AND TEARGASSING PEOPLE?

THAT'S A LOT OF VIOLENCE.

>> IT IS AWFUL AND I'M SORRY IT'S HAPPENING HERE.

BUT I ALSO PRAY THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS GOES HOME SAFELY EVERY NIGHT AND I HOPE ALL THE PRETTYESTERS GO HOME EVERY NIGHT SAFELY.

AND WE'VE GOT ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLIGENT IN THEIR DUTY IN TELLING PEOPLE STAY HOME AND BE SAFE, DON'T DO THIS.

AND INSTEAD THEY KEEP EGGING THEM ON.

>> WELL, THERE'S THIS THING CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT, SO PEOPLE GET TO GO OUT AND MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD.

OF COURSE IF THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED.

BUT THIS IS AMERICA.

IF YOU DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING YOU HAVE THE RIGHT O VOICE IT AND YOU'RE SEEING IT BY AND LARGE PEACEFULLY, WERE THERE ISOLATED INSTANCES?

YES, THIS IS NOT THE PROTESTS WE SAY FOUR YEARS AGO WITH THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD.

>> Eric: Mr.

SPEAKER, DOES IT TAKE THE HEAT OUT OF THE FRAUD ISSUE?

>> I THINK THE FRAUD ISSUE IS WHAT'S DRAWN ALL OF THIS.

AND I HOPE PEOPLE DON'T LET THE I.C.E.

STUFF DISTRACT FROM THE FRAUD.

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF BEING GASLIT BY THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION THAT THERE IS NO FRAUD.

WE'VE GOT A YOUNG GUY THAT HAS MADE VIDEOS GONE VIRAL TO EXPOSE THIS STUFF AND WHAT WE GET FROM THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION IS, NOPE, NONE OF IT'S TRUE.

THE FRAUD IS OOBVIOUS THAT STEVIE WONDER CAN SEE IT.

7 HUNDREDER MILLION DOLLARS GONE OUT OF MINNEAPOLIS AIRPORT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

THAT'S A MILLION DOLLARS A DAY OF CASH IN SUITCASES GOING OUT OF THE MINNEAPOLIS AIRPORT.

THAT NEEDS TO STOP AND WALZ HAS DONE NOTHING TO STOP IT.

>> WE ALL AGREE THERE HAS BEEN FRAUD, IT HAS AFFECTED MANY VERY GOOD ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MONEY.

WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

WHAT THE IRONY IS HERE THAT THE TOP PROSECUTOR FOR FRAUD JOE THOMPSON HAS JUST RESIGNED ALONG WITH FIVE OF HIS COLLEAGUES, SO THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN THE FRAUD INVESTIGATION ARE GONE BECAUSE OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WAS FORCING THEM TO DO, WHICH WAS TO PROSECUTE THE WIDOW OF RENEE GOOD >> Eric: WITH GOVERNOR WALZ NOT RUNNING DOES LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR FLANAGAN BECOME THE FACE OF FRAUD IN THE POLITICAL SENSE AND DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SENATE D.F.L.

PRIMARY?

>> WALZ WILL NOT BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2026.

PEGGY FLANAGAN IS TRYING TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN 2026.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO STOP HER BUT I WOULD THINK THAT'S THE POLITICAL REALITY.

>> I WOULD SAY SHE'S HAS THE ENDORSEMENT FOR THAT SEAT AND I THINK SHE HAS A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO.

WHEN SHE AND GOVERNOR WALZ WERE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL PEOPLE WERE ROBBING OUR STATE BLIND WHERE THE POINT THAT THE U.S.

ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CALLED IT PROFESSIONAL FRAUD, AND TOURISM FRAUD.

TERMS WE HAD TO INVENT BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA BECAUSE OF THEIR NEGLIGENCE.

>> I DO THINK THAT ANGIE CRAIG IS GOING TO HAVE AN EASIER TIME WINNING THE PRIMARY GIVEN THE SITUATION.

I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST, THAT -- BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.

>> REMEMBER THIS IS NOT AN ELECTION IN ISOLATION.

MIDTERM ELECTION WITH DONALD TRUMP WHO IS LARGELY UNPOPULAR, 14 POINTS UNDERWATER WITH CNN POLL.

DEEPLY UNPOPULAR AT A TIME WHEN YOU HAVE AN ACTIVATED BASE.

WHOEVER IS GOING TO BE THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT WHO'S GOING UP AGAINST AMY KLOBUCHAR.

>> AMY KLOBUCHAR WON'T BE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

>> THIS IS WISHFUL THINKING.

>> NO IT WILL BE, MINNESOTA CAN'T GET OUT OF THE NATIONAL NEWS BECAUSE OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION AND THE FRAUD.

>> WALZ IS NOT RUNNING.

>> ANY DEMOCRAT THAT RUNS IS GOING TO BE PAINTED ITH FRAUD, I GUARANTEE IT.

>> THE BENEFIT OF ENATOR KLOBUCHAR IS THAT SHE WAS A PROSECUTOR FOR EIGHT YEARS.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT?

SHE WAS GOING AROUND THE STATE DOING SEMINARS ON HOW TO PREVENT FRAUD SCAMS DURING THAT TIME.

THERE IS NOBODY BETTER QUALIFIED TO REBUT THAT ISSUE AND TO DO GOOD WORK ON THAT ISSUE THAN SENATOR KLOBUCHAR.

>> THIS IS WHERE I WOULD CHALLENGE THE D.F.L.

WHAT ARE YOUR SOLUTIONS?

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE DEMOCRAT COME FORWARD AND SAY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO GOING FORWARD SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS LEVEL OF FRAUD GOING INTO 2028?

BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN'T GO AGAINST THEIR GOVERNMENT UNIONS, THAT CONTROL ALL 87 COUNTIES AND ALL THE WORKERS THAT ADMINISTER THESE GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS, COUNTY BY COUNTY, ALL THE MEDICAID WAIVERS, ALL OF THAT, WE'RE ONE OF 11 STATES THAT DO IT THAT WAY AND IT'S A DISASTER, IT'S BEEN WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND WALZ AND HIS NEGLIGENCE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN.

>> Eric: LET ME TRY ANOTHER ONE.

THAT IS I.C.E.

'S EFFECT ON THE D.F.L.

PRECINCT CAUCUSES.

I WONDER IF ATTENDEES OF COLOR ARE GOING TO SAY I'M NOT SHOWING UP BECAUSE WHO KNOWS, I.C.E.

MIGHT BE THERE AND IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME TODAY THAT IT COULD BE A VERY WHITE D.F.L.

PRECINCT CAUCUS NIGHT.

>> REMEMBER THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY NEW TO THE DEMOCRAT R D.F.L.

PROCESS.

DURING COVID WE HAD VIRTUAL EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN THE PARTY, NOT ACTUALLY ELECTIONS BUT PARTY PROCESS.

THERE ARE WAYS TO ENGAGE VOTERS THAT WAY.

I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

MORE BROADLY WHAT DOES IT DO IN TERMS OF TURNOUT AND PRIMARY AND GENERAL ELECTION.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MINNESOTANS WHO HAVE NEVER PARTICIPATED EFORE THEY ARE WALKING OUTSIDE AND SEEING PREGNANT WOMEN DRAGGED IN THE STREETS, MOTHERS BEING SHOT IN THE STREETS, YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY'RE SHOWING UP ON ELECTION DAY.

>> I THINK IT HAS BROUGHT INDEPENDENTS AND MODERATES TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.

THIS IS NOT AMERICA, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN IRAN.

YET YOU'VE GOT PICKUP TRUCK URGING PROTESTERS IN IRAN.

>> YOU HAVE TO BE A U.S.

CITIZEN TO VOTE IN CAUCUSES SO I DON'T THINK IT IMPACTS ANYTHING.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED THE ELECTION.

THE PRESIDENT HAS FLOATED THE IDEA THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A MIDTERM ELECTION.

WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU HEARD THAT?

HE TENDS TO DO THIS, IT'S LIKE BALLOONS OR -- >> DISTRACTION.

>> Cathy: OR IS HE SERIOUS?

>> NO, HE'S JUST, ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COMES TO HIM AND HE SAYS IT OUT LOUD.

HE HAS NOT A LOT OF UNUTTERED THOUGHTS, HOW'S THAT?

I THINK THIS IS NOT ONE HE SHOULD HAVE UTTERED BUT HE DID.

>> WHY ARE WE CHALKING THIS UP AS IF THIS IS SOMEHOW NORMAL TO SOMEHOW JOKE THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE ELECTIONS.

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AFTER PRESIDENT BIDEN.

>> JOKING ABOUT NOT HAVING ELECTIONS IS THE SAME AS JOE BIDEN >> -- AND ALLIES HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR YEARS TO PUT INTO LOCAL OFFICES PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ALIGNED WITH THEM AND WILL COUNT THE BALLOTS THE WAY THEY WANT THEM TO BE OR DESTROY THE BALLOTS AFTERWARDS OR WHATEVER.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEIR ALLIES ARE BEING PUT SLOWLY AND SURELY UP THE SCALE INTO THOSE LOCAL POSITIONS TO REGULATE ELECTIONS.

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, EMBER, I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENING.

IF IT WERE BRAD TABKE WOULDN'T BE RETURN TODAY THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

WE'RE LOSING THAT BATTLE IF THAT'S THE CASE.

>> REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR CONTEST, LISA DEMUTH WON THE STRAW POLL AFTER DEBATE.

IS SHE THE FRONT-RUNNER >> I THINK SHE PROBABLY IS.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE GOT THE MY PILLOW UY, AND IF TRUMP WEIGHS IN, HE'S KIND OF INDICATED HE THINKS THE MYPILLOW GUY DESERVES IT OR WHATEVER WORDING HE USED.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT TO PLAY OUT IN THAT RACE.

>> I'M INTERESTED TO SEE NOW THAT GOVERNOR WALZ IS OUT OF THE RACE HOW DOES LISA DEMUTH EXPLAIN HER ROLE IN THE FRAUD.

SHE'S THE PEAKER OF THE HOUSE, SOMEBODY WHO HAS THE POWER.

PURSE, SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T DONE ANYTHING ON FRAUD.

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SHE HAD A TIED HOUSE, D.F.L.

SENATE AND D.F.L.

GOVERNOR, SHE WAS SPEAKER FOR -- MONTHS, AS OPPOSED TO 7 YEARS WITH GOVERNOR WALZ AND FLANAGAN.

>> WHERE'S HER BILL?

>> I PASSED SOMETHING CALLED PERIODIC DATA MATCHING WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE FRAUD IN STATE PROGRAMS AND I WAS FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL BY DEMOCRATS WHO DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT WHO JUST BELIEVED EVERYONE SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR PUBLIC PROGRAMS.

IT TOOK US UNTIL 2019 TO GET THAT IMPLEMENTED AND THE FIRST YEAR OF ITS IMPLEMENTATION 20,000 PEOPLE WERE DISQUALIFIED.

>> LISA DEMUTH IS THE MOST POWERFUL REPUBLICAN IN MINNESOTA, DON'T TELL ME SHE COULDN'T DO SOMETHING ON FRAUD.

>> I THINK LISA DEMUTH -- COULD WIN AGAINST THE MY PILLOW GUY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.

THE MAGA BASE IS THE ONLY GROUP STILL STRONGLY TOGETHER.

I WOULD JUST SAY FOR THIS ELECTION COMING UP I DON'T THINK FRAUD IS GOING TO BE AS FRONT AND CENTER AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF GOVERNOR WALZ WAS THE CANDIDATE AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HEALTH CARE COSTS, AFFORDABILITY AND ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE IN THIS ELECTION.

>> Eric: GOTTA RUN.

GOOD STUFF, PANEL.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE RUN LONG TONIGHT.

ANOTHER BUSY NEWSWEEK.

HISTORY LESSON RETURNS LATER IN THE MONTH.

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