[♪♪] >> Lauren: INDIANA G.O.P.

UNSEATS THE INCUMBENT SECRETARY OF STATE.

LOW-INCOME HOOSIERS LEFT OUT OF INFLATION RELIEF.

PLUS, TEEN MENTAL HEALTH STRUGGLES AND MORE ON "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 24, 2022.

>> "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS.

[♪♪] >> Lauren: TODAY, THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES OVERTURNED THE NEAR-50 YEAR SO-CALLED SUPER PRECEDENT, ROE V. WADE, OPENING THE BAN OF ABORTION CARE TO THE DISCRETION OF STATES.

INDIANA LAWMAKERS HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS OUTCOME SEVERAL WEEKS, FOLLOWING THE LEAK OF A DRAFT OPINION.

COULD WE HAVE IMAGINED WITNESSING THE FALL OF ROE V. WADE?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" PANEL.

DEMOCRAT ANN DeLANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS."

AND NIKI KELLY, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE "INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE."

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING DIGITAL EDITOR LAUREN CHAPMAN IN FOR BRANDON SMITH.

THE SENATE PASSED THE BIPARTISAN GUN BILL LAST NIGHT.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK AND DISCUSS PLANS ABOUT INDIANA LAWMAKERS RESTRICTING ABORTION ACCESS IN GREATER DETAIL WELL.

FIRST, ANN DeLANEY, WHAT IS YOUR INITIAL REACTION TO THE OVERTURN OF ROE V. WADE?

>> I MEAN, IT'S HORRIBLE.

DONALD TRUMP GOT EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED.

HE WANTED TO PIT AMERICANS AGAINST EACH OTHER.

HE WANTS ANCHOR, BITTERNESS.

THAT'S WHAT HE GOT WHEN I APPOINTED THOSE THREE PEOPLE TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

THE FACT WE'RE RESTRICTING THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN 50 YEARS LATER, TIME AFTER TIME, WE WERE TOLD PRECEDENT DETERMINES, PRECEDENT DETERMINES.

AND THEY FALSIFIED THEIR TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED FOR YOUNG WOMEN.

THERE WILL BE PROTESTS.

THERE WILL BE PROTESTS IN INDIANA TOMORROW AT THE STATEHOUSE.

PEOPLE SHOULD GO TO THAT AND LET THEIR VIEWS BE HEARD.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A TERRIBLE TIME FOR THIS COUNTRY.

BETWEEN THE ISSUE OF WHO HAS GUNS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED BY GUNS.

AND NOW, WE DON'T HAVE RIGHTS OVER OUR OWN BODIES, I MEAN, IT IS VERY -- IT'S A TERRIBLE TIME.

AND I FRANKLY -- UNTIL DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, I NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN.

LAUREN >> Lauren: MIKE O'BRIEN, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE OVERTURNING OF ROE V. WADE?

IT'S BEEN A CHRISTIAN TALKING POINT FOR DECADES.

>> SINCE THE DAY ROE V. WADE WAS A REALITY.

LOOK, I THINK THE REACTION -- I THINK THE REALITY WE'RE GOING TO ENTER ISN'T WHERE THE FAR RIGHT THINKS, WELL, THAT'S ALL DONE.

WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER PART OF THIS NOW.

I THINK IN INDIANA -- WELL, WHAT I KNOW IS INDIANA, WILL HAVE TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL HOW WE GO FORWARD.

THERE IS ENCOURAGEMENT IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT A COMPLETE WIPE OUT OF ABORTION RIGHTS IN INDIANA, WE WENT THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE SESSION OF EXTREME PROPOSALS DEFEATED ON THE FLOOR ADMINISTERIVELY OR PROCEDURARILY.

REACTION WAS A PRIMARY SEASON FROM THE FAR RIGHT THAT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY FAILED.

IT'S INTERESTING I THINK A LITTLE BIT IN INDIANA THAT WE HAVE A HOUSE MAJORITY AND GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT CAN LOOK AND SAY WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL -- I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT WEEK.

THOUGHTFUL HOW WE CHART THE PATH FORWARD AND INVESTMENTS IN WOMEN'S HEALTH AND SUPPORT AROUND THE FACT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE -- THIS IS THE POSITIVE FOR THE PRO-LIFE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN BORN AND THAT REQUIRES SUPPORT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE SERIOUSLY, OR DIDN'T TAKE SERIOUSLY, THAT I HOPE WE DO.

>> Lauren: JON SCHWANTES, INDIANA IS -- RANKS HORRIBLY FOR MATERNAL AND INFANT MORTALITY.

WHAT CAN WE EXPECT OUT OF LAWMAKERS?

>> NOTHING.

>> THAT'S A GOOD VENTRILOQUIST ACT.

>> THAT'S THE TRUTH.

THERE WILL BE A GREAT EMPHASIS ON HEALTH AND PUBLIC HEALTH, IF ONLY BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR SIGNALLED AS MUCH HE CREATED TASK FORCES TO LOOK AT THIS TO COME UP WITH PROPOSALS.

AND THERE IS MONEY TO FUND IT.

HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC TYPES OF THINGS, THERE MAY NOT BE AN APPETITE FOR THAT AMONG REPUBLICANS.

I THINK THE PRIMARY REASON DURING THIS PAST SESSION THAT NONE OF THOSE EXTREME MEASURES THAT MIKE TALKED ABOUT PREVAILED IS SIMPLY BECAUSE LEADERSHIP WAS ABLE TO SAY WE CAN WAIT -- THERE'S NO REASON TO GO AHEAD AND DO ANYTHING NOW.

>> THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CROWD THEY WERE TRYING TO APPEASE.

THEY DREW UP THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

YOU HAD TRIGGER LAWS IN STATES SIMILAR.

>> I THINK IT WAS LEADERSHIP WANTING TO SAY -- IT'S A LOGICAL ARGUMENT.

LET'S WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE NATION'S HIGHEST COURT DOES.

AS FAR AS THIS NOTION OF THOUGHTFUL REFLECTION ON, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.

ON THIS ISSUE.

>> UH-UH.

>> I THINK THE LINES ARE JUST TOO STARK.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS FOR WHOM THIS IS -- THIS IS THE PRIMARY.

THIS AND GUNS PERHAPS.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE REALLY IN A MOOD TO SIT BACK AND LET'S -- >> I WAS NOT SUGGESTING REPUBLICANS WERE ON THE QUESTION OF LIFE.

I WAS SUGGESTING WE'VE TAKEN STEPS IN YEARS PASSED TO RESTRICT SEX EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS, TO RESTRICT INFANT MORTALITY FUNDING.

AND NOW WE'RE ENTERING A PHASE WHERE PRO-LIFE COMMUNITY WON A HUGE VICTORY.

AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY -- >> THEY'RE NOT PRO-LIFE.

THEY'RE PROBIRTH!

THAT'S ALL THEY ARE.

>> THE ARGUMENT FOR THE PRO-LIFE IS THAT LIFE EXISTS.

>> THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

THEY BELIEVE BIRTH IS WHERE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY ENDS.

>> THE ARGUMENT IS I THINK WE'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF ANOTHER PART OF THIS.

IT ALLOWS US TO RE-SET THE INVESTMENTS WE'RE MAKING IN THAT SPACE.

>> THE ONLY THING THE PRO-CHOICE ACTIVISTS FEEL GOOD POLITICALLY, TO THIS POINT, ANTIABORTION FORCES HAVE BEEN UNITED.

IT'S A MONOLITH.

THEY'VE SAID FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS OUR MISSION, CALLING, MANTRA.

BE DONE WITH IT.

NOW WE'LL SEE DIVISIONS WITHIN THAT.

BECAUSE WE'LL SEE SOME WHO WANT TO PROSECUTE WOMEN.

WE'LL SEE SOME WHO WANT TO BE VERY ACTIVE IN GOING AFTER DOCTORS.

INTERCEPTING MAIL.

PREVENTING OR TRYING TO PREVENT WOMEN FROM GOING ACROSS STATE LINES.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT SAYING, NO, WE NEVER ADVOCATED FOR THAT.

>> DON'T FORGET CONTRACEPTION.

>> THE DIVISIONS ON THE OTHER SIDE -- [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING.]

>> WE WERE JUST GOING TO HAVE INITIAL REACTION.

>> I WANT TO THROW ONE THING IN HERE.

WHICH IS, THERE'S TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT THESE CHILDREN, WHO ARE GOING TO BE BORN.

I WILL SAY HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN HOUSTON IN HIS STATEMENT TODAY MADE VERY CLEAR A BAN WILL GO THROUGH AT THE SAME TIME AS ADDITION SERVICES AND DOLLARS TO HELP SUPPORT THINGS.

AND IT COULD BE IN UPDATING WIC PAYMENTS.

IT COULD BE YOU KNOW A MILLION DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO THAT EVEN MAKES A SPECIAL SESSION A LITTLE HARDER, BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO APPARENTLY GOING TO APPROPRIATE MONEY FOR SOME SERVICES OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE -- WHAT HE'S STAKED OUT FOR HIS CHAMBER.

>> LET'S SEE IF HE COULD CONTROL HIS CHAMBER.

>> Lauren: THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

MOVING ON, THIS WEEK, FORMER MIKE PENCE AIDE DIEGO MORALES UPSET INCUMBENT HOLLI SULLIVAN TO EARN THE G.O.P.

NOMINATION FOR SECRETARY OF STATE.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S BROADCASTING BRANDON SMITH'S REPORTS MORALES'S BID WAS VIEWED BY MANY AS A CHALLENGE TO THE GOVERNOR AND SO-CALLED REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT.

>> Brandon: MORALES PUSHED THE BIG LIE THE 2020 ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP.

HE'S CRITICIZED INDIANA'S ELECTION SECURITY, ARGUING THE STATE NEEDS TO DO MORE TO PREVENT NONCITIZENS FROM VOTING AND WANTS TO CUT IN HALF EARLY VOTING DAYS BEFORE EACH ELECTION FROM 28 DAYS TO 14.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE GOING TO BE EFFICIENT.

NUMBER ONE, WE ARE GOING TO SAVE SOME TAXPAYERS MONEY.

>> Brandon: AFTER HIS WIN, MORALES PREACHED UNITY AMONG HIS PARTY.

DURING THE CONVENTION, MANY SUPPORTERS BOOED AND HECKLED CURRENT SECRETARY OF STATE, HOLLI SULLIVAN.

INDIANA G.O.P.

CHAIR KYLE HUPFER DISMISSED THE NOTION OF A FRACTURED PARTY.

>> THIS GROUP WILL COME TOGETHER.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DO THE WORK THAT WE DO ON EVERY STATE-WIDE ELECTION, AND WE'LL GET OUR VOTE OUT, GET OUR MESSAGE OUT.

>> Brandon: DEMOCRATIC SECRETARY OF STATE CANDIDATE DESTINY WELLS CALLS MORALES A FAR RIGHT ELECTION DENIER CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

>> Lauren: MIKE O'BRIEN, KYLE HUPFER DISMISSED THE IDEA THAT THIS WAS A REFERENDUM ON ERIC HOLCOMB.

IS HE RIGHT?

>> HE'S WRONG AND RIGHT IN PART.

IT'S NOT A COMPLETE REFERENDUM TO ERIC HOLCOMB.

THAT DOES, TO WHAT KYLE SAYS, DOES A DISSERVICE TO DIEGO MORALES.

HE'S NOT AN UNKNOWN GUY.

HE WAS A PROTEST VOTE.

THAT'S AS THE THOUGHT HIS SUPPORT WAS.

HE'S WORKED THAT CIRCUIT, REPUBLICAN LINCOLN DAY CIRCUIT, REPUBLICAN COUNTY CIRCUIT.

THAT'S WHERE YOU GET ELECTED IN A ROOM OF ELECTION DELEGATES FROM THE PARTY BASE.

HE WORKED HARD.

HOLLI HAD THE DISADVANTAGE OF BEING IN TWO OFFICES THE LAST TWO YEARS AND NOT HAVING A FULL CYCLE TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE AND WORK THAT SAME CROWD.

THAT SAME ORGANIZATION.

BUT IT WAS IN PART RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE OR NOT, IT WAS A PROTEST OF COVID RESTRICTIONS.

IT WAS A PROTEST OF THE TRANSGENDER -- VIEW OF THE TRANSGENDER LEGISLATION.

OF COURSE, THAT PLAYED INTO IT.

PEOPLE WERE VOCAL ABOUT THAT.

PART OF THE REASON I ADVOCATED AT CONVENTION LAST WEEK, WE NEED TO RESIZE WHAT THESE OFFICES DO TO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO INSTEAD OF BEING FLASH POINTS FOR EVERY PROXY FIGHT WE'RE FIGHTING IN THE COUNTRY -- >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE -- >> THE SECRETARY OF STATE HAS TO TAKE POSITIONS ON TRANSGENDER RIGHTS AND ABORTIONS AND GUNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT TRANSGENDER WOMAN DIDN'T GET A TAX I.D.

NUMBER FROM THE BIZ PORTAL.

>> THAT'S WHY THEY OUGHT TO BE APPOINTED INSTEAD OF ELECTED.

YOU CAN'T RUN ON A PLATFORM I'M GOING TO KEEP THE STATE SEAL SAFE.

>> YOU'RE NOT AUTO DEALERS.

[LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE NOT A CULTURE WARRIOR ON THE FRONT LINE.

>> ALL OF THAT FACTORED INTO IT.

IT'S THE MOOD OF THE ROOM.

>> TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT WAS A REFERENDUM.

>> A PARTIAL.

>> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME A SITTING GOVERNOR DIDN'T GO TO HIS OWN STATE PARTY CONVENTION AND SPEAK.

AND HE DIDN'T GO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF BEING BOOED, WHICH HAPPENED.

>> HE WAS THERE FRIDAY.

>> DID HE SPEAK?

>> HE DID, YEAH.

>> WHEN?

>> WHAT WASN'T THE ACTUAL CONVENTION.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT.

[LAUGHTER] >> AND THE FACT THAT THEY NOMINATED THIS GUY WHO HAS BEEN FIRED BY THE LAST TWO SECRETARIES OF STATE, SAYS VOLUMES.

BECAUSE ALL HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT -- >> HE QUIT ONCE BEFORE HE GOT FIRED.

>> FIRED TWICE.

OKAY.

LET'S NOT SPLIT HAIRS.

AND HE WANTS TO SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP REALLY WAS ELECTED.

AND IT WAS ALL THIS FRAUD.

I MEAN, IT IS A SYMBOL OF THE FACT -- ACTUALLY AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE FACT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOW CONTROLLED BY THEIR RIGHT WING CRAZIES.

OKAY.

>> THIS IS THE EVIDENCE.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE EVIDENCE.

THERE'S MORE.

[LAUGHTER] >> THERE'S MORE.

BUT THIS IS A GOOD PART OF THE EVIDENCE.

THE FACT YOU WOULD VOTE FOR SOMEBODY TO BE CHIEF ELECTION OFFICER WHO PERPETUATES THE LICE THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN SAYING, IN CONTRAST -- AND AGAINST THE SITTING GOVERNOR, WHO OBVIOUSLY HAD ENDORSED HOLLI SULLIVAN, IT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE FACT THAT YOU USED TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE ON TAP BUT NOT ON TOP.

NOW THEY ARE ON TOP.

AND THAT IS YOUR PARTY.

>> NIKI KELLY, DOES THIS CREATE AN OPENING FOR DEMOCRATS?

THE SECRETARY OF STATE IS ALSO THE STATE'S ELECTION OVERSEER.

I MEAN, DOES THIS MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE DESTINY WELLS?

>> I THINK IT GIVES DESTINY WELLS SOME EASY THINGS TO GO AFTER HER OPPONENT ON.

SHE CAN DEFINITELY POINT OUT HIS AGREEING WITH TRUMP ON THINGS, HIS HISTORY IN THE VERY OFFICE HE WANTS TO HOLD.

BUT DEFINITELY, AIDS HER.

NOW, WOULD I GO AS FAR TO SAY THEY COULD WIN THE STATE-WIDE OFFICE?

PROBABLY NOT.

UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THE, YOU KNOW, BASIC DEMOGRAPHICS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE STATE.

I WILL SAY THIS.

KYLE HUPFER SAID UP THERE, WE'RE GOING TO COME TOGETHER.

BUT YOU KNOW, EARLIER IN THAT CONVENTION, HE WAS UP ON STAGE TELLING PEOPLE TO STOP CALLING EACH OTHER RINOS AND SAY WE NEED TO STOP DIVIDING MAAMONGST EACH OTHER.

HE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

>> HE CAN TRY.

>> HE CAN MAKE THE CASE AND LOSE.

I'VE BEEN DOING THAT MY WHOLE CAREER.

[LAUGHTER] >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT VOICE.

HE JUST WANTS THE TWO, THREE VOTES.

THE TREASURE RACE WAS DECIDED BY THREE-VOTE MARGIN.

>> I DIDN'T SEE A SINGLE FLYER OR COGENT ARGUMENT AGAINST HOLLI SULLIVAN AND HER ACTIONS IN OFFICE.

>> RIGHT.

>> IT WAS ALL ABOUT TRUMP AND NOT ABOUT HOLLI SULLIVAN.

>> I DID HEAR A SOUND.

AND I THINK IT MAY BE RONALD REAGAN SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE.

HE FAMOUSLY SAID DON'T SPEAK ILL OF OTHER REPUBLICANS.

CLEARLY, THAT'S AS SO MUCH A REAGANISM THAT'S GONE OUT THE WINDOW.

>> THAT WAS THE HALL MARK CARD OF THE ERA.

THAT'S NOW HOW CONVENTION FIGHTS PLAYED OUT.

>> I BELIEVE THE STATE CONVENTION OF THE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT PARTY WHERE YOU HAVE SUCH OPEN HECKLING AND BOOING.

THE NOTION OF CIVILITY, WE USED TO ARGUE ABOUT CIVILITY BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.

NOW, THE -- >> IN THE LAST TWO, WE HAD OPEN FOREFIGHTS -- >> THAT'S DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE BOOING SPEAKERS.

>> NO ONE WAS BOOING SPEAKERS.

>> EXCUSE ME?

>> I HEARD THAT BUT NO ONE SHOWED ME VIDEO.

>> THEY DIDN'T TAKE ANY.

>> THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE POINTS OF ORDER AND ASSERT THEMSELVES INTO THE PROCEDURE OF THE -- >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> THEY WERE.

THERE WAS AN ORGANIZED EFFORT TO DO THAT.

THE >> IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS GREAT.

>> YOU HAVE PEOPLE UNITED AGAINST SOMETHING.

NOW, THIS IS LIKE A SUPER IM MAJORITY.

WE'VE SEEN THE ASSEMBLY.

YOU HAVE MORE FISCHERS WHEN YOU LOST YOUR BOOGEYMAN AND NOW YOU GOT TO BE THE ONE TO SET POLICIES.

WE'VE SEEN DIVISION IN THE PARTIES.

>> WE'VE HAD THEM EVERY TIME.

>> YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE ANIMOSITY TOWARDS THE CITY.

>> WE DID TOWARDS MITCH DANIELS.

>> Lauren: TIME FOR FEEDBACK.

THIS WEEK'S POLL QUESTION WAS DIEGO MORALES'S WIN AT THE G.O.P.

CONVENTION A REBUKE OF GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB?

VOTE A, YES.

OR B, NO.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION, SHOULD MITCH DANIELS RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICE SINCE HE LEFT PURDUE?

48, YES, 58%, NO.

IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PART OF THE POLL, GO TO www.WFYI.org/IWIR AND LOOK FOR THE POLL.

[♪♪] >> Lauren: ADVOCATE FOR HOOSIERS WITH DISABILITIES SAYS IT SEEMS LIKE GOVERNOR ERIC HOLCOMB DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HELPING THEM.

THAT'S AS THE GOVERNOR'S INFLATION RELIEF PLAN LEAVES OUT MANY OF THE LOWEST INCOME HOOSIERS.

ERIC HOLCOMB PROPOSAL IS TO SENT $225 TO EVERYONE WHO FILED AN INDIANA TAX RETURN LAST YEAR, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T OWE ANYTHING.

BUT MANY HOOSIERS ON DISABILITY AND SOCIAL SECURITY DON'T FILE TAXES BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE ENOUGH.

THAT'S NOT A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

AARP INDIANA STATE DIRECTOR SARAH WADDLE SAYS, 1 IN 4 HOOSIERS RELY ON SOCIAL SECURITY FOR AT LEAST 90% OF THEIR INCOME.

>> SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR THESE FOLKS TO ADDITIONAL INCOME TO THEIR POCKETS VERY EASILY.

>> Lauren: PAST PRESIDENT OF SELF-ADVOCATES OF INDIANA, SHAWN FULTON SAYS HOOSIERS WITH DISABILITIES WANTS THE GOVERNOR TO THINK ABOUT ALL PEOPLE, NOT JUST SOME.

>> THEY'RE THINKING IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO IT AND DO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER AND DO IT RIGHT, THEN, THE GOVERNOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> Lauren: HOLCOMB'S EXPLANATION FOR HIS PROPOSAL, THAT IT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO RETURN MONEY TO TAXPAYERS.

THOUGH, EVEN THOSE WHO DON'T FILE A RETURN STILL PAY INDIANA'S SALES TAX.

THE LARGEST SOURCE OF THE STATE'S REVENUE.

>>> JON SCHWANTES, ARE THE GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATORS GOING TO IGNORE THIS WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE?

>> WELL, IN FAIRNESS, I DON'T THINK THEY SAT IN SOME ROOM AND SAID WHO COULD WE REALLY SCREW OVER IN THIS PROPOSITION.

[LAUGHTER] >> LET'S GO AFTER PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

NO MATTER HOW YOU STRUCTURE -- WE SAW THE GOVERNOR STRUGGLING AND THE ADMINISTRATION STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COME UP WITH INFLATION RELIEF THAT'S WORKABLE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AT TGAS PUMP.

THIS IS WHAT THEY SETTLED ON.

MURPHY'S LAW BEING MURPHY'S LAW, SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO WRONG AND SOMEBODY LEFT OUT.

I THOUGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SESSION WHEN WE LOOKED AT TAX RELIEF, IT WAS BEING EXTENDED TO HOOSIERS BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL WIND FALL RELATED I PRESUME TO THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER FACTORS, THERE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PRIORITIES, ONE OF THE FIRST BILLS ENACTED AND SIGNED, I BELIEVE, WAS TO EXTEND BENEFITS TO, IF NOT THESE SPECIFIC GROUPS OF PEOPLE, BUT PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT FILED TAX RETURNS.

SO THEY TOO COULD BENEFIT IN THE WINDFALL.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THAT WAS -- I'M GUESSING WRITTEN FOR THAT CAUSE.

BUT IT STILL SEEMS TO ME THE ARGUMENT IS THE SAME.

>> YOU WANTED TO EXTEND TAXPAYER RELIEF TO EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THOSE WHO DIDN'T FILE FORMS.

THAT WAS A PRIORITY LAST SESSION.

SO ONE WOULD PRESUME THAT IT SHOULD BE THIS SESSION AS WELL.

>> THEN, THEY'D PAY INCOME TAX ON FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THAT WOULD BE THEN A GIFT -- OR THAT WOULD BE INCOME TO THEM FROM THE STATE WHEN IT'S NOT TAX RELIEF.

[SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING.]

[LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S WHY IT OUGHT TO BE AT THE GAS PUMP.

>> I CAN SEE THE HEADLINES NOW.

>> I'M NOT AGAINST IT.

I'M SAYING DON'T SAY IT'S $250, BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE TO PAY TAX ON IT.

>> THE OTHER THING TO DEEP IN MIND, ESPECIALLY FOR HOOSIERS WITH DISABILITIES, IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY RECEIVING DISABILITY RELIEF, THEN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO WRITE IN LEGISLATION IT DOESN'T COUNT AS INCOME AGAINST THAT.

>> AGAINST THEIR INCOME.

EXACTLY.

>> Lauren: NIKI KELLY, DO YOU THINK LAWMAKERS ARE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME IN THE SPECIAL SESSION TO ADDRESS THAT AND IF IT'S A PRIORITY?

>> I DOUBT THAT.

I ASKED THE GOVERNOR IF THE MECHANISM LEAVES PEOPLE OUT WHO DON'T MAKE ENOUGH AND DON'T FILE.

HE SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND SAID THIS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT, QUICKEST WAY WE HAVE NOW.

>> IT CONTRIBUTES ALSO TO INFLATION.

THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY.

>> ECONOMISTS DO BELIEVE THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE PAY ALES TAXES, AND THEY'RE NOT ALES TAXES, AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY BENEFIT.

GOING TO SEE ANY BENEFIT.

AND YOU KNOW, I DO HOPE THEY AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT STRONGLY IN THESE UPCOMING WEEKS.

>> YOU INTERJECTED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO TALK ABOUT THE GAS TAX RELIEF.

I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ARGUMENT THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE FOR DOING THIS?

>> YEAH, I DO.

I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN SUGGESTED IS THE CORRECT ONE.

PEOPLE REALLY FEELING IT AT THE PUMPS.

HE WANTS TO SUSPEND THE FEDERAL SALES TAX.

WE COULD TRIPLE THAT BENEFIT BY SUSPENDING THE GAS TAX AND THE SALES TAX ON GASOLINE.

AND EVERYBODY BENEFITS WHETHER YOU DRIVE OR NOT.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD TRANSPORTED, CLOTHING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE BUILT-IN COSTS TO THEM.

EVERYBODY WOULD BENEFIT, EVEN THE DISABLED.

>> IF YOU DO THAT, THERE'S TECHNICALLY NO WAY TO KNOW IF -- >> THERE IS.

>> WHETHER IT GOES THROUGH ALL THE WAY.

MY SUGGESTION WAS SEND EVERYBODY A PRE-PAID GAS CARD.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.

YOU WOULD KNOW BECAUSE YOU WOULD ONLY GO TO THE GAS STATION IF THEY LOWERED THE PRICE.

YOU KNOW.

AND HOW FAST WOULD THAT WORD GET AROUND?

>> Lauren: MIKE O'BRIEN, THIS ALSO ESPECIALLY AFFECTS RETIRED HOOSIERS WHO DON'T HAVE TO FILE TAXES.

DO YOU THINK THAT REPUBLICANS ARE IGNORING A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THEIR BASE?

>> TO JON'S POINT, I THINK THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GET THE MONEY TO THE MOST PEOPLE IS THE APPROACH THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO.

I TALKED TO LEGISLATORS AND FRIENDS AND CLIENTS AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE I DON'T KNOW.

THIS SEEMS LIKE A BLUNT WAY.

IT'S MY POSITION ON STIMULUS.

EVERYBODY GETS $1,500.

DOES EVERYBODY NEED $1,500?

THE NATURE OF THE WORK I DO, ATTORNEYS AND OTHER PEOPLE DID, I DON'T NEED $1,500.

DON'T SEND ME $250.

THAT'S ABSURD.

HOW DO WE THINK HARDER HOW TO TARGET THIS IN A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY, MAYBE THROUGH S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS.

MAYBE THROUGH SOME KIND OF LOW-INCOME, YOU KNOW, TARGET.

FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TARGET LOW-INCOME PEOPLE.

DO I LOVE GAS PRICES?

NO.

-- [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING.]

>> THAT'S THE POINT.

MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS ALSO HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE WHERE YOU COULD GIVE IT BACK TO TEACHER SALARIES OR GIVE IT BACK TO ROAD CONSTRUCTION.

YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US -- >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROAD MONEY THANKS TO THE FACT WE HAVEN'T SUSPENDED THE GAS TAX.

>> THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO THAT.

[LAUGHTER] >> THE PROBLEM IS POLITICALLY, AND I THINK NO ONE IS GOING TO ARGUE, AT THE BALLOT BOX, FOR THE NEEDIEST ARE NOT A POTENT FORCE OR AS POTENT AS THE WEALTHY.

>> DO YOU THINK SOMEBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE BASED ON RECEIVING A COUPLE OF HUNDRED DOLLARS?

I DON'T.

>> THERE'S NOT A POLITICAL BENEFIT.

>> NO.

THE ONLY BENEFIT IS INFLATION.

>> LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, MORE PEOPLE ARE BETTING HOOSIERS WILL GET THE BENEFIT THAN NOT.

>> AND NOT CHANGE A VOTE.

>> Lauren: ON THAT NOTE, THE STATE'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIAL SAYS A NEW SURVEY SHOWS STATE'S TEENS ARE SUFFERING WITH DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY.

>> THE YOUTH RISK BEHAVIOR SURVEY IS ANONYMOUS, CONDUCTED EVERY TWO YEARS BY THE CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION.

WHILE IN SCHOOLS, TEENS ARE ASKED ABOUT SEXUAL ACTIVITY, DRUG USE, PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, DIET AND MORE.

THE RESULTS OF THE LATEST SURVEY ARE NOT PUBLISHED.

INDIANA HEALTH COMMISSIONER, DR. KRISTINA BOX DISCUSSED THE FINDINGS AT RECENT WORLD HEALTH CONFERENCE.

SHE'S MOST CONCERNED WITH THE GROWING NUMBER OF TEENS STRUGGLING WITH THEIR MENTAL HEALTH.

>> NEARLY 50% OF STUDENTS SAID THEY FEEL SAD OR HOPELESS ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR TWO WEEKS IN THE PAST YEAR.

>> ABOUT 1 IN 10 INDIANA TEENS SAID THEY ATTEMPTED SUICIDE AT LEAST ONCE OR MORE THAN ONCE IN THE PRIOR YEAR.

>> Lauren: NIKI KELLY, THERE'S OFTEN BEEN PUSH BACK AT THE STATEHOUSE ABOUT PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO KIDS IN SCHOOLS, EVEN THOUGH DATA SHOWS THAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET THAT TO THEM.

DO NUMBERS LIKE THIS SOFTEN THAT GROUND?

>> I HOPE SO.

USING A PHRASE I USED EARLIER, TRYING TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

WE'VE SEEN THIS ON DISCUSSIONS ABOUT GUN CONTROL.

THEY SAY IT'S MENTAL HEALTH.

BUT THEY IMMEDIATELY SHUT DOWN ANY EFFORTS TO GET MENTAL HEALTH TO YOUNG PEOPLE.

THEY SAY IT SHOULD GO THROUGH THE PARENTS BUT SOMETIMES THE PARENT IS THE PROBLEM.

>> Lauren: JON SCHWANTES, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A PORTION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAT DOESN'T WANT SEE PARENTS BEING SURPRISED BY THESE ANALYSES.

THIS IS AN UNUSUAL TURN FOR INDIANA.

IT HAD ENOUGH RESPONSE, THAT THE RESPONSE RATE THAT IT COULD BE COMPARED APPLES TO APPLES TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY.

IN THE PAST, A LOT OF SCHOOLS SAID NO PROBABLY UNDER PRESSURE FROM THOSE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND GOVERNMENT HAVE NO PLACE IN THE MINDS OF OUR CHILDREN.

GET -- IN SCHOOLS, THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF THE MINDS OF OUR CHILDREN AND LEAVE THAT TO THE PARENTS.

I'M BEING SOMEWHAT FLIPPANT.

>> Lauren: FINALLY, THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR STATE TREASURE, DANIEL ELLIOT WON AT THE STATE G.O.P.

CONVENTION THIS WEEK JUST BY THREE VOTES OUT OF 1,400.

THE ONLY TIE BREAK IS ANOTHER ROUND OF VOTING OR STATE PARTY CHAIR CAN BREAK THE TIE.

MIKE O'BRIEN, WHAT WOULD BE A MORE ENTERTAINING WAY OF BREAKING THIS TIE?

>> AS A FORMER COUNTY CHAIRMAN, I RAN SO MANY CONVENTIONS AND THEY NEVER TIED AND I WANTED THEM TO.

I'M LIKE WE'RE NOT VOTING AGAIN.

MYBE BOOS.

WHO BOOS THE LOUDEST.

>> ARM WRESTLE.

>> NOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS GUNS, WHY NOT HAVE A SHOOT-OFF.

>> SHOOT.

>> DUELS SERVED OUR COUNTRY FOR 100 PLUS YEARS.

>> HAVE A SHOOTOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONVENTION.

>> Lauren: AND THAT'S "INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW" FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL, DEMOCRAT ANN DeLANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES OF "INDIANA LAWMAKERS," AND NIKI KELLY OF THE "INDIANA CAPITOL CHRONICLE."

IF YOU WOULD LIKE A PODCAST OF THIS PROGRAM, YOU COULD FIND IT AT www.WFYI.org/IWIR OR STARTING MONDAY, YOU COULD STREAM IT OR GET IT ON-DEMAND FROM XFINITY OR WFYI APP.

I'M LAUREN CHAPMAN OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING.

JOIN US NEXT WEEK, BECAUSE A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN AN INDIANA WEEK.

>> THE OPINIONS STRESSED ARE SOLELY THOSE OF THE PANELISTS.

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