>>> AND NOW, TO THE UNITED STATES.

WHERE AN UNPRECEDENTED TRIAL BEGINS IN COLORADO.

A HANDFUL OF REPUBLICAN AND INDEPENDENT VOTERS ARE TRYING TO BAN FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FROM EVER ENTERING THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN OVER HIS ROLE IN THE JANUARY 6th INSURRECTION.

OFFICER HARRY DUNN WAS DEFENDING THE CAPITOL WHEN THE RIOTS TOOK PLACE, AND NOW HE'S WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED "STANDING MY GROUND" ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE.

HE TELLS MICHEL MARTIN HOW HE TRIED TO SAVE AMERICA THAT DAY.

THIS CONVERSATION IS PART OF OUR ONGOING INITIATIVE THAT REPORTS ON THREATS TO DEMOCRACY, THE IMPACT OF CHANGES TO VOTING LAWS, AND WHAT CITIZENS NEED TO KNOW.

IT'S CALLED "PRESERVING DEMOCRACY."

>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.

OFFICER HARRY DUNN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON, IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR BOOK, AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL HAVE SEEN YOU, ANYBODY WHO'S FOLLOWED THIS STORY WILL HAVE SEEN YOU, BUT YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF INTERVIEWS AND YOU'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCES ON JANUARY 6th AND FOLLOWING THAT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT MADE YOU WANT TO WRITE THE BOOK?

WAS THERE A PARTICULAR STORY THAT YOU WANTED TO TELL THAT YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TELL SO FAR?

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT WHAT I'VE HAD TO SAY, AND I THINK THAT KIND OF LED TO THE WRITING OF THE BOOK.

I WAS GIVEN THIS PLATFORM, SO TO SPEAK, AND INDIVIDUALS SEEM TO RESONATE WITH SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS SAYING, AND IF I COULD DO MY PART TO HELP INSPIRE SOMEBODY, TO EDUCATE SOMEBODY, TO SHINE A BETTER LIGHT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY, JANUARY 6th, THEN IT'S WORTH IT.

ADDITIONALLY, IT WAS STILL CATHARTIC AND HEALING FOR ME TO WRITE THIS BOOK.

>> YOU STARTED IT BY SAYING, "WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH A TRAUMA."

YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT.

WHY DID YOU WANT TO START THAT WAY?

>> BECAUSE MY FEELINGS WERE FRONT AND CENTER WITH THIS BOOK.

IT WAS A VERY PAINFUL EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

IT WAS VERY HURTFUL, A GUT PUNCH, IF YOU WOULD.

THE REASON WHY I INCLUDED ALL OF US, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR TRAUMA, IS BECAUSE JANUARY 6th, WHICH WILL GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE DARKEST DAYS IN AMERICAN HISTORY, THE POLICE OFFICERS, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THE ONES WHO WERE CATCHING THE BRUNT OF THE PHYSICAL ABUSE, IT WAS AN ATTACK ON OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, OUR DEMOCRACY, SO, THAT EFFECTS EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN PERSON, WHETHER THEY KNOW IT OR NOT.

SO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WERE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY, WATCHING IT ON THEIR iPAD OR WATCHING IT ON THEIR TELEVISION, ON THEIR PHONE, AND THEY FELT SOME KIND OF A WAY, SO -- ALL OF US EXPERIENCED SOME KIND OF TRAUMA THAT DAY.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND REALLY MOVING ABOUT YOUR BOOK, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT AS A CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER, YOU TOOK IT VERY SERIOUSLY.

YOUR JOB WAS TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH, YOUR JOB WAS TO PROTECT THE RIGHT OF DEMONSTRATORS TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES WITHIN APPROPRIATE BOUNDARIES.

YOU POINT OUT, YOU DIDN'T ALWAYS TAKE IT THAT SERIOUSLY, SO, HOW DID IT COME TO YOU?

>> CORRECT.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST STARTED THE JOB, I WAS THIS YOUNG KID THAT HAD GOT A GOOD-PAYING JOB, AND IT WAS A FIRST REAL JOB, AND IT WAS A PAYCHECK.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

AND THEN, IT TURNED INTO A CAREER.

PEOPLE COME UP TO THE CAPITOL ALL THE TIME TO EXPRESS THEIR GRIEVANCES WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT, WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE OUT THERE ON THE PERIMETER WATCHING THESE PEOPLE PROTEST WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND THEIR SOUL AND SO PASSIONATE ABOUT ANY AND EVERY EVENT.

AND THEN JUST SITTING THERE LISTENING TO SOME OF THE GRIEVANCES THAT THEY WERE RAISING, WHETHER IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MEDICARE BEING TOO HIGH OR WHETHER IT BE THE COST OF GROCERIES OR -- SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A PERSONAL GROWTH.

AND I STARTED SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS STUFF DOES EFFECT ME, AND I SAW HOW OTHER INDIVIDUALS WERE SO ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN THEIR GOVERNMENT, AND IT KIND OF MADE ME TAKE NOTICE AND THEN SAY, YOU THOUGH WHAT, THIS IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT, AND I'M HONORED TO HAVE A PART IN PLAYING -- PLAYING A SMALL PART IN DEFENDING THOSE INDIVIDUALS' RIGHT TO DO SO.

>> DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS, TO THE DEGREE WHICH YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING FOR THEM, FELT THE SAME WAY YOU DO, THAT YOUR JOB WAS NOT JUST TO KEEP MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SAY, BUT ALSO TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO ADDRESS THEIR GOVERNMENT, DO YOU THINK THAT OTHER OFFICERS FEEL THE SAME WAY YOU DO?

>> YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS MADE IT CLEAR THAT I DON'T ATTEMPT TO TRY TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY BUT MYSELF, BUT THERE ARE A FEW OFFICERS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING CONVERSATIONS, TALKED ABOUT THE DEMONSTRATIONS THAT WE WOULD SEE ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS UP THERE, AND I BELIEVE THAT MY COWORKERS DO TAKE THEIR INDIVIDUALS HAVING THOSE RIGHTS VERY SERIOUSLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY REALIZES THE GRAVITY AND THE MAGNITUDE THAT JANUARY 6th BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT, THAT DEMOCRACY IS IN SUCH PERIL, OR IT'S SO FRAGILE, THAT WE NEED TO FIGHT EVEN HARDER TO PROTECT IT.

>> GOING BACK TO THE EVENTS SORT OF LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6th, WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE -- THAT THIS WAS DIFFERENT?

THIS WASN'T LIKE OTHER DEMONSTRATIONS WHERE YOU HAD WORKED?

>> LOOKING BACK NOW, NOW THAT IT ALREADY HAPPENED, THERE WAS SIGNS THAT THIS SHOWED THAT THIS WASN'T A NORMAL PROTEST.

LIKE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC AT THE TIME, AND, YOU KNOW, THE -- D.C. OFFICES WERE CLOSED, IT WAS -- NOBODY WAS -- IT WAS -- TRAFFIC WAS NONEXISTENT.

SO, DRIVING DOWN INTO WORK, IT WOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE.

AND THAT MORNING, 6:30 IN THE MORNING, THERE WERE PEOPLE WALKING DOWN NORTH CAPITOL STREET WITH FLAGS AND -- THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE -- THIS IS WEIRD.

THERE'S PEOPLE OUT HERE, WHAT'S GOING ON?

SO, BEING ABLE TO LOOK BACK, TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

BUT ON THE ACTUAL DAY, WHEN THEY GOT THE CALLS, WHEN WE GOT THE CALLS FOR THE PIPE BOMBS, THAT WERE FOUND AT THE RNC AND DNC RESPECTIVELY, THAT KIND OF SAID, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS -- THIS IS A REALLY BAD THING THAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE VIOLENCE ERUPTED?

WHERE EXACTLY WERE YOU POSITIONED?

>> SO, I WAS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CAPITOL, WHERE -- NOT THE WEST FRONT WHERE THEY CAME FROM ON THE ELLIPSE, AND THE REASON WHY I RESPONDED OVER TO THE WEST SIDE, WHERE THE INAUGURAL STAGE WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

ONE OF THE REASONS I RAN OVER THERE IS BECAUSE THEY WERE CALLING ON THE RADIO FOR OFFICERS TO RESPOND OVER THERE, AND I COULD HEAR THE HORROR AND THE FEAR IN THE OFFICERS VOICES THAT WERE SAYING, SEND US MORE UNITS OVER HERE.

AND I DIDN'T HAVE A VIEW OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I JUST IMAGINED THE WORST, WHEN YOU COULD HEAR THE FEAR AND THE ANGUISH IN THEIR VOICES ON THE RADIO CALLING FOR MORE BACKUP.

>> YOU ALSO POINT OUT IN THE BOOK THAT -- YOU KNOW, LOOK, JANUARY 6th WAS HORRIBLE, I -- FOR EVERYBODY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, I MEAN, WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN, YOU KNOW, EYES.

I'M THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER THAT WAS BASICALLY -- LOOKED LIKE HE WAS BEING CRUSHED IN ONE OF THE DOORWAYS.

>> OFFICER DANIEL HODGES.

GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.

>> BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LEVEL OF KIND OF RACIST ABUSE THAT OFFICERS LIKE YOU AND OTHER AFRICAN AMERICAN OFFICERS HAD TO EXPERIENCE.

AND I WAS JUST -- JUST INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU -- HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, SO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT ITS CORE THE JANUARY 6th WAS THIS BIG OLD RACIST FEST, THIS RACIST-FUELED EVENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF RACIST INDIVIDUALS THERE.

LIKE THE OFFICER THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, DANIEL HODGES, HE'S A WHITE OFFICER, AS HE WAS BEING ATTACKED AND PUMMELED BY OTHER WHITE PEOPLE IN THE CROWD.

SO, THESE PEOPLE WERE OPPORTUNISTS THAT JUST TOOK ADVANTAGE, AND ATTACKED ANYBODY THAT WAS IN THEIR WAY, AND STOPPED THEM.

SO, I DON'T THINK, LIKE I SAID, THE RACE, NECESSARILY, PLAYED AN ISSUE IN THEIR BEHAVIORS, HOWEVER, THE RACIST INDIVIDUALS LET THEIR THOUGHTS BE KNOWN HOW THEY FELT THAT DAY TOWARDS PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> AND IS THAT THE FIRST TIME YOU'D EXPERIENCED THAT ON THE JOB?

>> ON THE JOB, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAD BEEN CALLED THE N-WORD IN UNIFORM, CORRECT.

WHICH IS REALLY -- WHICH IS REALLY TELLING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BACK THE BLUE KIND OF THING.

AND IT WAS -- I WAS SURPRISED, MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, BUT I WAS.

>> AND THERE WAS THIS SENSE, GEE, IF THIS HAD BEEN BLACK LIVES MATTER DEMONSTRATORS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH DIFFERENTLY.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I KIND OF HAVE TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, BECAUSE BLACK LIVES MATTER DEMONSTRATORS DID COME UP TO THE CAPITOL AND THEY DID NOT ASSAULT POLICE OFFICERS, THEY DID NOT CROSS POLICE LINES.

IN FACT, THERE WERE SOME OFFICERS WHO TOOK KNEES WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTERS IN SOLIDARITY.

SO, I THINK -- I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO, LIKE, JUST WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL, I AM NOT SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN PORTLAND OR EVEN DOWNTOWN D.C. BY THE WHITE HOUSE OR IN MINNESOTA, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OF THAT, BUT JUST AT THE CAPITOL, THE PROTESTS THAT WAS AT THE CAPITOL WHEN BLACK LIVES MATTER WAS THERE WAS JUST THAT, IT WAS A PROTEST.

WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th WAS A RIOT AND AN INSURRECTION.

>> A NUMBER OF OFFICERS DIED ON JANUARY 6th AND OTHERS TOOK THEIR OWN LIVES AFTERWARDS, AND I JUST WONDER HOW YOU LEARNED OF THIS AND HOW DID YOU PROCESS THAT?

>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I FEEL LIKE THAT'S OVERLOOKED IN THE WHOLE JANUARY 6th TALKING POINTS, THAT THERE WERE REAL VICTIMS THAT DAY.

YOU KNOW, OFFICER BRIAN SITNICK DIED THAT DAY, JEFFREY SMITH, TWO OTHER METROPOLITAN POLICE OFFICERS DIED VIA SUICIDE AFTERWARDS, AND, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME SOMEBODY LOSES THEIR LIFE, WE SHOULD -- WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMPASSION, BUT IT'S TURNED INTO, LIKE I SAID, TALKING POINTS, YOU KNOW?

IF ONE SIDE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS WERE KILLED ON JANUARY 6th, THEN ANOTHER SIDE WILL COME BACK AND SAY, NOBODY DIED ON SO, THE HUMAN LIFE ELEMENT HAS BEEN LOST, HAS BEEN TAKEN, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE WIDOWS, AND I KNOW PEOPLE, THE MOTHER OF SOME OF THE OFFICERS AND -- THEY WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HAVE THEIR BABIES BACK, TO HAVE THEIR LOVED ONES BACK, SO -- THAT REALLY GETS TO ME AT MY CORE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, JANUARY 6th HAS BECOME THIS POLITICAL TALKING POINT, BUT REAL LIFE VICTIMS WERE -- AND LIVES WERE CHANGED FOREVER THAT DAY.

>> AND YOU'RE STILL ON THE JOB, THOUGH?

>> YEAH.

>> YOU'RE STILL ON THE FORCE.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR YOU TO -- TO BE UP THERE, YOU ARE A TRAINING OFFICER, SO, YOU'RE DOING OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO ARE STILL SERVING WHO HAVE DENIED THAT THIS WAS A VIOLENT RIOT, THAT THIS WAS A VIOLENT MOB ATTACK, THAT THIS WAS AN INSURRECTION.

THERE ARE MEMBERS STILL SERVING WHO SAY THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE JUST TOURISTS.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I WROTE THE BOOK.

MY BOOK ISN'T FOR THOSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

IT'S FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAVE A -- AN ACCURATE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.

SOMEBODY THAT WAS THERE, TO TELL THEIR STORY, SO THEY CAN KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

BECAUSE WHO HOLDS THE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS ACCOUNTABLE?

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO.

AND THEY DO IT WITH THE STRONGEST TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT -- FOR DEMOCRACY, AND THAT IS THEIR VOTE, SO, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED VOTERS MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS AND CHOICES FOR PEOPLE IN OFFICE.

SO, PEOPLE ARE STILL BEING FED MISINFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO US, OR PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, IF YOU WILL.

>> I MEAN, AS WE ARE SPEAKING NOW, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE GONE TO TRIAL, MANY HAVE BEEN CONVICTED, A FEW HAVE BEEN ACQUITTED OF SOME SORT OF CHARGES, I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JAIL, BUT OTHER PEOPLE -- OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL MAINTAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG, OR THAT THEY HAD A GOOD FAITH BASIS FOR THINKING THAT THEY WERE DOING SORT OF THE RIGHT THING, AND I'M JUST -- I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU FEEL THAT ACCOUNTABILITY IS AT HAND?

>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, BECAUSE MY DEFINITION OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS TO DETER INDIVIDUALS FROM DOING THIS AGAIN.

HOWEVER, WHAT HAPPENS IF -- EVEN IF CONVICTED, THESE INDIVIDUALS BELIEVE IN THEIR HEART THEY WERE RIGHT?

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S TO STOP FROM DOING IT OR HAPPENING AGAIN?

I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST THINGS THAT I STRUGGLE WITH THE MOST, REGARDING ACCOUNTABILITY, BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE AND PEOPLE WHO WERE INCITED AND DOUBLING DOWN AND SAYING THAT THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

SO, IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATE, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO OVERCOME THAT, BUT THAT -- THAT EXISTS, SO -- AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHATEVER THE GOVERNMENT OR THE PROSECUTORS OR, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE -- THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO, BUT HOW DO YOU -- HOW DO YOU COMBAT AN IDEOLOGY, YOU KNOW?

>> HOW HAS YOUR LIFE CHANGED SINCE JANUARY 6th?

YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT IT IN THE BOOK, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, READ IT YET OR HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT IT, I MEAN, FOR ONE THING, YOU'VE BEEN VERY HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SUFFER FROM POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS.

>> YEAH, I'LL BE OUT WITH SOME OF MY FRIENDS, BEING AROUND CROWDS, I'M A LITTLE ON EDGE A LITTLE BIT, EVEN MORE, LIKE I SAID, I'VE ALWAYS PAID ATTENTION TO MY SURROUNDINGS AND SUCH, BUT EVEN MORE SO NOW, LIKE, I'LL SEE A RED HAT AND I'M WONDERING, IS THAT GUY A TRUMP SUPPORTER?

OR I'LL SEE THE CARGO PANTS AND THE TACTICAL GEAR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WAIT, WAS THAT GUY THERE ON JANUARY 6th?

SO I'M DOING A LOT BETTER, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING ON, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS IN JANUARY, SO, I'VE HEALED A LOT, BUT AS FAR AS, LIKE, THE PTSD, YOU REALLY HAVE TO FIGHT TO SHAPE YOUR NARRATIVE, TO CHANGE YOUR NARRATIVE, AND UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND IS IT IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING?

WHILE MISINFORMATION IS STILL BEING SPREAD AND DEMOCRACY IS STILL AT, YOU KNOW, AT A RISK OF BEING DESTROYED, THERE'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO, SO, WHICH IS WHY I CONTINUE TO SPEAK OUT AND SEEK ACCOUNTABILITY AND JUSTICE.

>> AND AS WE ARE SPEAKING NOW, FOUR PEOPLE WHOLE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE NOW PLEADED GUILTY TO VARIOUS CHARGES IN THEIR ROLE IN ASPECTS OF THE JANUARY 6th EXPERIENCE, SORT OF BROADLY DEFINED, I MEAN, SPECIFICALLY IN THE GEORGIA ELECTION SUBVERSION CASE, AND I JUST -- I WONDER, DOES THAT -- DOES THAT HELP IN ANY WAY?

DOES THAT FEEL LIKE JUSTICE TO YOU?

>> NO, I -- I GUESS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, A DIFFERENT CASE GOING DOWN THERE IN GEORGIA, I'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ONE THAT'S HAPPENING ON MARCH 3rd, MARCH 4th HERE IN D.C., BUT SEEING INDIVIDUALS WITH -- I BELIEVE THEY TOOK PLEA DEALS, THAT, YOU KNOW, FOREVER WHATEVER IT IS, THEY ARE TRYING TO SAVE THEIR OWN BUTTS, BUT WHEN INDIVIDUALS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ENCOURAGING.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THE DEPTHS AND THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THEY ACTUALLY PLEAD TO OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAME -- THE CONSEQUENCES WERE, BUT AT LEAST THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GUILTY, SO, THAT'S, I GUESS, IF ANYTHING, THAT'S ENCOURAGING, I GUESS.

>> AND WHAT ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP?

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE GUYS THAT DOESN'T THINK HE DID ANYTHING WRONG.

AND THAT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

I'VE HEARD THE SAYING THAT TRUTH IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT, AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE -- WE, MEANING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY -- CONTINUE TO SHED LIGHT AND THE TRUTH, WE'LL BE -- THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN COMBAT IT, I GUESS.

>> THIS IS PART OF OUR HISTORY NOW, AND AT SOME POINT, IT'S GOING TO BE IN A TEXTBOOK, AND I'M JUST WONDERING, WHAT DO YOU HOPE THAT CHAPTER WILL SAY?

>> THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT DAY HAPPENED, DEMOCRACY ONLY GOT STRONGER AFTER THAT.

SO, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT NOW, BUT I HOPE THAT IN THE END, THIS ONLY MAKES US APPRECIATE DEMOCRACY MORE, AND EVERYBODY REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE A ROLE IN DEFENDING IT, LIKE I SAID, WHETHER THAT BE AN OFFICER AT THE CAPITOL, WHETHER THAT BE AN EMPLOYEE AT THE GAS STATION IN WISCONSIN, THEY HAVE A VOTE, SO, EVERYBODY HAS A ROLE IN DEFENDING THIS.

AND I JUST HOPE THAT PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT TAKE FOR GRANTED.

>> OFFICER HARRY DUNN, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.