>>> NEXT, WE RETURN TO OUR TOP STORY, THE IDF CONTINUES TO CARRY OUT ITS WAR IN GAZA, AND THE HEALTH MINISTRY THERE SAYS MORE THAN 30,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS FACING GROWING INTERNATIONAL WARNINGS AGAINST ITS PLANNED ASSAULT ON RAFAH.

AUTHOR AND GLOBAL AFFAIRS JOURNALIST EMILY TAMKIN HAS BEEN WRITING ABOUT THIS WAR FOR ONLINE MAGAZINE SLATE, AND HER MOST RECENT ARTICLE EXPLORES THE REACTION TO THE DEATH OF THE WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN AID WORKERS, AND SHE JOINS MICHEL MARTIN TO DISCUSS WHY SHE BELIEVES THIS STORY HAS PROVOKED MORE WORLDWIDE CONDEMNATION THAN BEFORE.

>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.

EMILY, THANK YOU FOR TALKING WITH US ONCE AGAIN.

>> OF COURSE.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU WROTE A PIECE FOR SLATE, WHY THE WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN AID WORKERS' DEATHS BROKE THROUGH THE HORROR OF THIS WAR.

FIRST THING I WANT TO ASK YOU IS, WHAT CONVINCES YOU THAT IT DID BREAK THROUGH?

>> RIGHT, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT IN THE PIECE IS THAT THE REACTION TO THESE DEATHS WAS SO -- THE REACTION WAS SO DRAMATIC AND SO FULL OF OUTRAGE, IN A WAY THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN SO FAR IN THE SIX MONTHS SINCE OCTOBER 7th.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ISRAEL HAS KILLED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS IN GAZA, AND IT'S NOT THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T EXPRESSED SHOCK AND HORROR AND OUTRAGE TO ALL OF THAT, BUT THE SEVEN DEATHS OF WCK, PRESIDENT BIDEN MADE A STATEMENT OF OUTRAGE, SECRETARY OF STATE BLINKEN SAYING THAT U.S. POLICY WILL CHANGE IF ISRAEL DOESN'T CHANGE COURSE, YOU HAVE OUTRAGE FROM BRITAIN AND AUSTRALIA.

I WAS INTERESTED IN THE PERFECT STORM OF CONDITIONS THAT GOT THIS REACTION FROM LEADERS AND -- AND TO YOUR POINT, I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT STATEMENTS OF OUTRAGE -- AND EVEN OF APOLOGY FROM ISRAEL AND FROM THE IDF, WHICH IS QUITE RARE, THAT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT HAPPEN BROKEN THROUGH THE HORROR, RIGHT?

THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MEAN THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE POLICY CHANGE.

>> WELL, SO, JUST BACK UP FOR A SECOND AND -- WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT HAPPENED, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW YOU REACTED?

>> I WAS AND AM SHOCKED BY THIS, THAT IT'S NOT -- IT'S ALSO NOT SURPRISING.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, AND I DON'T WANT TO DOWNPLAY THE HORROR OF SEVEN AID WORKERS BEING KILLED.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HORRIFIC, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DISTRIBUTE FOOD TO THOSE IN DESPERATE NEED.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN -- THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN ROUGHLY 190 OTHER AID WORKERS KILLED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WAR.

AGAIN, IN ADDITION TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIANS, AND SO -- THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH THIS WAR IS BEING CARRIED OUT, THE WAY IN WHICH THE WAR CAN CARRIED OUT, DOES NOT SUGGEST TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT JOSE ANDRES' TEAM WOULD BE ABLE TO INDEFINITELY SAFELY PROVIDE FOOD TO THOSE IN NEED.

>> AND JUST FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AWAY.

JOSE ANDRES IS THE FOUNDER OF WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN.

I'M IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C. AREA.

HE'S BECOME A MUCH BIGGER FIGURE THAN A RESTAURATEUR.

LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY YOU THINK THIS HAS CAUSED THE REACTION THAT IT'S CAUSED.

>> A FEW HOURS BEFORE I GOT NEWS OF THE ATTACK, MY DAD AND I WERE TALKING, AND HE BROUGHT UP THE AID WORKERS AND SAID, THIS IS SO AMAZING, THEY ARE ABLE TO GET THE AID IN, PROVIDE THIS, HE'S SUCH A HERO.

AND SO, MY FIRST -- TO BE HONEST, MY FIRST REACTION WAS, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS.

AND THE REASON I MENTIONED THIS IS THAT I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF SALIENCE THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS PART OF WHY YOU GOT AN APOLOGY FROM THE IDF, BECAUSE HE'S JUST FAMILIAR TO PEOPLE IN A WAY THAT OTHER NONPROFITS WERE NOT AND ARE NOT.

>> SO, YOU IDENTIFY A COUPLE OF FACTORS THAT YOU THINK ARE AT PLACE HERE.

ONE IS RACE.

TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK, LOOK, AND AGAIN, I DON'T -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT EVERY PERSON WHO WAS SHOCKED AND OUTRANGED BY THIS AND WASN'T BEFORE IS AN OUTRIGHT RACIST, BUT I THINK THERE IS AT MINIMUM AN INTERNALIZED PREJUDICE ABOUT WHO WE EXPECT TO DIE, RIGHT?

AND WHEN YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO DIE, YOU ARE ALSO ACCEPTING THEIR DEATH.

AND THERE IS A LEVEL OF PEOPLE ACCEPTING PALESTINIAN DEATH IN A WAY THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, BRITISH OR AUSTRALIAN OR CANADIAN OR AMERICAN, SO, THERE WERE SEVEN WORKERS WHO WERE KILLED, ONE OF THEM WAS PALESTINIAN, THE OTHER SIX WERE NOT.

AND BASICALLY, THE MASSIVE HEADACHE THAT ISRAEL IS FACING NOW, THEY WOULD NOT HAD TO FACE HAD ALL SEVEN BEEN PALESTINIAN, AND I THINK THAT'S FAIR, AND I THINK THE WAY WE KNOW THAT THAT'S FAIR IS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS KIND OF OUTRAGE UNTIL NOW.

THE OTHER TWO ARE, WE ALREADY SORT OF TOUCHED ON JOSE ANDRES' CELEBRITY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STRESS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THAT HE IS GLOBALLY FAMOUS, THOUGH HE IS.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE IN THE D.C. AREA, I AM, AS WELL.

HE'S SO WELL-KNOWN HERE IN PARTICULAR.

AND I THINK WHEN THE RESTAURANT THAT YOU GO TO AFTER WORK FOR DRINKS IS OWNED BY THE PERSON WHO IS GETTING ON -- WHO IS DOING A REUTERS INTERVIEW AND SAYING, THEY ARE KILLING AID WORKERS, THAT CUTS THROUGH IN A WAY THAT OTHER DEATHS, PERHAPS, DON'T.

AND I THINK THE FINAL -- THE FINAL REASON THAT I IDENTIFIED, AND THIS IS THE HARDEST TO ARTICULATE, IS THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE KILLED FOR DOING SOMETHING THAT IS AS INOFFENSIVE AS GIVING FOOD TO THOSE WHO ARE STARVING.

YOU KNOW, CRISIS GROUP, THE INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP CAME OUT WITH A REPORT JUST DAYS AGO, SAYING THAT THE NORTH OF GAZA IS ON THE BRINK OF FAMINE, SHOULD ISRAEL PUSH FURTHER INTO THE SOUTH, IT WILL BE THE CASE THERE, AS WELL.

STARVATION, IF IT DOES NOT KILL YOU, THE EFFECTS OF IT FOR CHILDREN ARE FELT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THEIR LIVES, IT EFFECTS THEIR DEVELOPMENT, IT EFFECTS EVERY -- MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND TO SAY NOTHING OF IT BEING COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT, TO SAY NOTHING OF HOW THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE INHERENT HUMAN RIGHT THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO NOURISHMENT, THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING PROVIDED BY THESE AID WORKERS AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE KILLED, BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT.

I THINK THAT MERE FACT SORT OF GOT THROUGH TO PEOPLE WITH THAT -- WITH THESE STRIKES.

>> DO YOU THINK IT'S IN PART JUST HUMAN NATURE TO BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE THAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW OR THAT YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THAN ABOUT PEOPLE YOU DON'T?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK IT'S -- I THINK IT'S HUMAN NATURE AND IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE AND IT'S ALSO SOMETHING WHERE IT IS MY HOPE THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT -- SORT OF TAKE THAT MOMENT OF CONNECTION AND RECOGNITION.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD TO DO THAT.

TAKE THAT MOMENT OF RECOGNITION AND EXTEND TO OTHER PEOPLE WE HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED.

AND I THINK IT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND, FOR ME, AT LEAST, EVERY ONE OF THOSE CRISIS GROUPS OF THE 32,000 PEOPLE, EVERY ONE OF THOSE 32,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED SO FAR IN GAZA, AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER 190 SOMETHING AID WORKERS HAVE PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEM, TOO.

>> ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOU SAID YOU ALSO THINK THIS COULD BE AN INFLECTION POINT IS THAT IT SPEAKS TO INCOMPETENCE, BECAUSE IN THE INITIAL WAKE OF THE OCTOBER 7th HAMAS ATTACK ON SOUTHERN ISRAEL, THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?

I MEAN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST EQUIPPED, YOU KNOW, ARMY, INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, IN THE REGION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT POLITICALLY AND IN EVERY OTHER INSTANCE, THIS WOULD BE, AS YOU PUT IT, A HEADACHE FOR THE IDF.

SO, WHAT ROLE DO YOU THINK THAT PLAYS, SORT OF SHIFTING PEOPLE'S THINKING ABOUT, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

>> I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION BOTH FOR ISRAEL'S ALLIES AND THEIR COUNTERPARTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES, AND ALSO FOR THE ISRAELI PEOPLE THEMSELVES, RIGHT, WHO PERHAPS AFTER OCTOBER 7th SUPPORTED, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTED THE WAR AND WANTED TO GET BACK AT HAMAS AND WANTED TO, YOU KNOW -- SAW THAT SMALL HAD TO CHANGE.

I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, THE IDF CONDUCTED ITS OWN INVESTIGATION, SAID THIS WAS A SERIES OF MISTAKES, OKAY, IF THAT'S TRUE -- WHY -- WHY WERE YOU -- WHY DID YOU STRIKE MULTIPLE TIMES CARS WITH WCK, YOU KNOW, SYMBOLS ON THEIR ROOFS ON A DECONFLICTED ROUTE?

AND WHY -- WHY HAVE 190 SOMETHING OTHER AID WORKERS ALSO BEEN KILLED OVER IF LAST SIX MONTHS?

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE -- JUST AS JOSE ANDRES AND WCK HAVE RESONANCE FOR OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE ISRAEL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT UNLIKE UNRWA, WHERE ISRAEL HAS LONG SUSPECTED HAMAS INFILTRATION AND COOPERATION, WCK DOESN'T HAVE THAT REPUTATION IN ISRAEL, AND, IN FACT, AS WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WORKED TO FEED ISRAELIS AFTER OCTOBER 7th.

>> YES.

>> AND I THINK -- I THINK THAT PERHAPS THERE'S A WORLD IN WHICH THIS, BECAUSE IT'S SO HIGH PROFILE, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN INTERNATIONAL BROUHAHA, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S SO CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD TO BE A TRAGEDY, THAT THIS ASKS, WELL, WHAT IS THE FASHION OF THIS WAR -- CAN THIS WAR AS IT'S BEING CARRIED OUT DO ANYTHING BUT KILL MANY PEOPLE.

AND IS THAT A WAR WE WANT TO STAND BEHIND?

>> LET ME JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT THE IDF.

THE IDF CHIEF OF STAFF SAID, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, THE STRIKE WAS NOT CARRIED OUT WITH THE INTENTION OF HARMING WCK AID WORKERS, IT WAS A MISTAKE THAT FOLLOWED A MISIDENTIFICATION AT NIGHT DURING A WAR IN VERY COMPLEX CONDITIONS, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.

UNQUOTE.

YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT?

>> UM -- I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS.

THE FIRST IS THAT I DON'T THINK ANY MILITARY CAN CONDUCT ITS OWN INVESTIGATION INTO ITSELF.

I THINK THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING, PARTICULARLY DURING AN ONGOING WAR, AND SO WHILE I THINK THE RARE APOLOGY SPEAKS TO HOW SALIENT THIS EVENT IS, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THE -- THE OUTRAGE THAT'S ENSUED, AND WHILE I AM, YOU KNOW, JUST ON A HUMAN LEVEL GLAD THAT IT'S BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY, I THINK THAT -- FOR THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, THAT CAN'T BE ACCEPTABLE.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT AGAIN I WOULD STRESS IS THAT THESE SEVEN DEATHS WERE A TRAGEDY.

THESE WERE NOT THE ONLY AID WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER THE COURSE OF THIS WAR, SO, I THINK A REASONABLE QUESTION IS, IF THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ROUGHLY 190 PEOPLE WHO WERE TRYING TO PROVIDE AID WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE COURSE OF THIS WAR?

>> DO YOU EVER WONDER ABOUT THE MORAL INJURY TO THE SOLDIERS AND RESERVISTS WHO HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE KINDS OF ACTS?

AND I WONDER WHETHER THERE'S SOME THOUGHT TO THE MORAL INJURY THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THEY HAVE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO OFFER FOOD TO PEOPLE, I JUST -- I JUST WONDER IF ANYBODY TALKS ABOUT THAT.

>> WELL, THERE ARE, I MEAN, THERE IS AN ORGANIZATION IN ISRAEL CALLED BREAKING THE SILENCE, WHICH IS WHERE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE MILITARY COME BACK AND SORT OF SAY, YOU KNOW -- IT'S SORT OF -- IT'S SORT OF A MEA CULPA.

>> YEAH.

>> AND I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WILL HAVE SOME OF THAT IN THE WAKE OF THIS WAR.

I THINK OTHERS WILL BLAME HAMAS FOR PUTTING THEM IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I DON'T THINK WE KNOW YET HOW THE MILITARY SPECIFICALLY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MILITARY SPECIFICALLY WILL PROCESS THIS.

I DO -- WE DO KNOW FROM STUDIES THAT YOUNGER PALESTINIANS AND YOUNGER ISRAELIS DO TEND TO BE MORE -- MORE HARDENED IN THEIR VIEWS, PARTICULARLY PALESTINIANS IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK AND ISRAELIS IN ISRAEL PROPER.

TEND TO BE MORE HARDENED IN THEIR VIEWS AND MORE EXTREME AND SEE PEACE AS LESS OF A POSSIBILITY, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MEAN TO BE CYNICAL, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THIS WAR DOES ANYTHING BUT EXACERBATE THAT TREND.

IN THE SHORT-TERM, AT LEAST.

>> RECOGNIZING YOU ARE A JOURNALIST AND AN ANALYST, YOU ARE NOT AN ELECTED PERSON, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS, AS A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY, WHAT ELSE SHOULD HAPPEN IN YOUR OPINION?

WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN, AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THIS?

>> THE RHEAL IS THAT AS A HUMAN BEING, I THINK THAT TO SAY, LIKE, OH, PEOPLE STARVE IN WAR, IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE, AND THE CRISIS GROUP REPORT THAT I MENTIONED SAYS IF THERE IS NOT AN INDEFINITE CEASE-FIRE, THERE WILL BE MASS STARVATION AND EVEN SHORT OF THAT CEASE-FIRE, THERE NEEDS TO BE DRAMATIC CHANGE AND MUCH MORE AID NEEDS TO BE ALLOWED INTO GAZA BY ISRAEL.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES, LIKE, IN THE WAKE OF THIS -- IN THE WAKE OF THIS STRIKE, AND I THINK IF THOSE ARE JUST SORT OF TO MAKE PEOPLE STOP LOOKING, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO AS IT WAS, THAT'S TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

I ALSO DO WONDER IF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BIDEN SAYING HE'S OUTRAGED, YOU HAVE BLINKEN SAYING SOMETHING MUST CHANGE.

YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS ON THE HILL, INCLUDING NANCY PELOSI SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO ISRAEL SUSPENDED, I GUESS, AGAIN, WE WERE SPEAKING BEFORE ABOUT -- ABOUT THE ISRAELI PEOPLE ASKING THEMSELVES, WHAT IS THE FUNCTION OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR MONTHS NOW HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO SEE TRANSFER OF POWER IN GAZA, THEY WANT TO SEE FEWER CIVILIAN DEATHS, THEY WANT TO SEE MORE AID LET IN, THEY EVENTUALLY WANT TO SEE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PALESTINIAN STATE, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR THEM IS, IF YOUR CURRENT POLICY IS NOT GETTING YOU ANY OF THOSE THINGS, THEN WHAT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE POLICY?

AND I THINK AS JOURNALISTS, IT IS OUR JOB TO ASK THAT QUESTION, RIGHT?

IF YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU DON'T LET MORE HUMANITARIAN AID IN, WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY UPSET -- OKAY?

AND WHAT?

WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH ALL OF THAT UPSET, ALL OF THAT OUTRAGE?

SO, THAT IS -- THAT'S WHAT I WILL BE WATCHING FOR IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME.

>> BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, DO YOU MIND IF I ASK, HOW ARE YOU?

IT SEEMS MAYBE A HARD MOMENT TO DECIDE WHAT IS FAIR.

AND TO SORT OF HONOR THE SUFFERING THAT ONE SEES WITHOUT SUFFERING AND OTHERS, AND I'M JUST ASKING, HOW IS THIS FOR YOU?

>> I THINK THERE'S A SENSE HERE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT YOU'RE ON SORT OF ONE OR OTHER SIDE OF SUFFERING.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND IT -- WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, LIKE, THE ISRAELI HOSTAGES WHO ARE BEING HELD IN GAZA, WHO SHOULD NOT BE THERE, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS, THEY ALSO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO FOOD, RIGHT?

THEY ARE ALSO -- THEY ARE ALSO UNDER AERIAL BOMBARDMENT.

AND SO, I THINK THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A WINNER IN SUFFERING AND -- IS A BIT -- I THINK IT'S A BIT OF A FALSE DICHOTOMY THAT SOME IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL DISCOURSE HAVE PRESENTED.

AND THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, I -- YEAH, IT'S BEEN, LOOK, I THINK FOR ALL OF US REPORTING ON THIS, IT'S BEEN AN INTENSE LAST SIX MONTHS.

I WRITE AS A JEWISH JOURNALIST, AND I OFTEN WRITE IN A WAY THAT'S CRITICAL OF CHOICES THAT THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT HAS MADE, OR INDIVIDUAL JEWISH GROUPS, WHICH, I THINK, WHENEVER YOU ARE ASSUMING AND IDENTITY AND WRITING ABOUT -- WRITING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, THERE WILL BE ALSO THOSE THAT CLAIM THAT IDENTITY THAT GET UPSET AND PERHAPS EMAIL OR, YOU KNOW, SORT OF -- WRITE WHATEVER ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE MOST PLEASANT, BUT I DO THINK THAT WHAT I'VE RETURNED TO IS -- I'M FINE, I'M HERE IN MY HOME IN D.C., RIGHT, I'M SAFE, I HAVE FOOD, AND THERE ARE -- I JUST THINK THE TOLL THIS HAS TAKEN ON JOURNALISTS AND, YOU KNOW, JOURNALISTS IN ISRAEL WHO ARE TRYING TO HOLD THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT AND DO THE JOB OF JOURNALISM, AND JOURNALISTS IN GAZA WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THEIR JOBS UNDER UNIMAGINABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, IS HUMBLING, TO SAY THE VERY LEAST.

AND WHENEVER I SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FIND MYSELF START TO WALLOW, THAT'S WHAT I RETURN TO.

>> EMILY TAMKIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AND, OF COURSE, WE REMEMBER ALL THE JOURNALISTS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED.