And now the 419 with Gretchen DeBacker, Matt Killam and Kevin Mullen.

Welcome into the 419, powered by wgte and presented by our friends at Whetro Wealth Management.

Well, we made it to the end of week number one.

I'm Kevin Mullen alongside Gretchen DeBacker and Matt Killam.

It's been a good week.

We we survived.

Yes.

I mean, we survived.

I guess the question is, did our did our viewers and our listeners survive with us as far as we know?

Only time will tell.

I've not been to the gym one time.

Just to let you know, I've, not started my.

Your New Year's resolution.

Year's resolutions.

Were you doing that in the morning before?

I've never done it.

Oh, I don't even belong to a gym.

Right?

Yeah.

Okay, so you had to really get started.

That's really going to get rolling.

Yeah, yeah, I it it does frustrate gyms frustrate me because you can sign up for a gym, any way you want.

Right.

I mean, literally like, you could like, and I don't a single text message.

And now you're in for a monthly, gym membership.

You try to cancel 100% I login.

Jimmy, I had a I had a gym that I belong to.

Had some health issues, and it was just not a good idea for me to go anymore.

Yeah.

Can we share those health issues?

Let's just do it one of the time.

So then I was like, this is.

Doesn't make sense.

Yeah, sure.

Like, go into the gym.

Yeah.

To cancel the membership.

They tell me that my wife was also a member.

She has to be there in person as well.

Yeah.

So bring her back.

Its the mob.

Yeah, yeah.

Then I get a phone call from them saying, hey, we're really sorry the manager wasn't available when you came in.

I need you to come back in.

So I called the owner of the gym.

Yeah.

And the owner was like, yeah, I'm sorry.

That's just our policy.

Sure.

And I was like, time for a new policy, right?

Like, this is insane to me.

But yeah.

So that's my that's my gym.

I don't know that I'll ever belong to a. Speaking of gyms.

Yeah.

You, are gracing the hardwood.

I, I'm interested to hear how the other team is doing.

I am spending a lot of time.

Coach Mullen, a gym coach.

Coach Kevin Oh.

Coach Kevin.

Coach Mullen is my dad okay?

Yeah.

But legitimately, my dad is the assistant coach.

Oh, my God, my like, okay, this is a secret waiting to happen.

Coach, third and fourth grade boys, team.

And then I also coach basketball.

Okay, that's the hardwood.

I got also coach a six, seventh and eighth grade girls basketball team has nil money change.

Has the portal been effective Yeah, yeah.

That was impressive.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Hasnt it made its way there yet?

Okay.

I'm really hopeful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yes.

We got that.

So they're both both teams are in the CYO and kids play at Saint Pius.

Like we're having a lot of fun.

Just you know, I tell the kids my coaching philosophy is we have to do four things every day.

And four things every game.

If we get those four points, we won the game, right?

We take performance enhancing drugs.

That's right.

Yeah.

Punch the opponent in the throat, right?

Sure.

No.

That;s the CYO way.

You have to.

You got to have fun.

Yeah.

You got to try your best.

You have to cheer on your teammates and you have to listen to your coaches.

If we do those four things, it's a win for me.

And which is good because more often than not, the score doesn't necessarily go the way we want it to.

We're a small school, right?

So that's what we want to hear.

Your coaches?

Yeah, it's the kids.

All the kids call that.

Yeah.

Right.

So.

But I did get a phone call from the CYO director that there's a new rule in play.

I assume that the CYO director is the bishop.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

No no no, no.

And so the new rule is that if there is a technical foul, okay, it is a $50 fine to the coach.

How many technical fouls are there in sixth grade girls basketball?

I'm glad you asked.

I have never gotten one.

Okay.

But now I want every game very close.

Almost every.

You're stopping at the end and getting $50 bills out.

But, I just said I told the director, I said, please don't tell, the priest at Saint Pius that this is the new policy because the $50 goes to the parish.

Oh, because if they do that, they're going to fund a whole new wing just off Keving Mullen Yes, sure.

And it's I love your question.

Who gets technical fouls in Six, seventh and eighth grade basketball.

Yeah.

But I've actually never gotten one.

So and I plan on keeping that streak alive.

New year resolution right.

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Gretchen's surprise guest.

We still don't know who it is, but you're going to give us some hints when we come back.

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All right.

So one of the signatures of our program when it started as a podcast, correct.

Was the surprise guest.

Yes.

And so we've got it's your surprise guest.

Yeah.

So the concept is that one of us would bring in somebody, the other two don't know about, and then we would just sort of having a conversation.

That's what we're going to be doing today.

It's my guest.

So I'm going to give you a couple of hints.

Yesterday, it's true that this person was very Zen.

My second sort of, clue is, this is going to give it away.

You're going to know who it is, but this is someone that I would, a young professional.

Okay.

Up and comer.

Okay.

Young.

Certainly.

Compared to the three of us.

But most definitely specifically compared to me, since I'll just save you from making the old lady joke.

Right?

You know, ahead of time you made it.

Not us.

This is also a someone that's very mindful.

Okay.

I was leaning that way.

Its Dick Chaney.

It's Dick.

No.

Yeah.

And then you went young, and I'm like, I'm all of these things.

So I had.

When you.

When you start these ends, you get somebody in your mind.

Right.

And then as you give it more not Tom Cole because we know it's a woman more often than not I'm like, oh, I know who this is.

And then it's like a hard left turn.

That's right, I never guess.

Yeah.

I'm like I got yeah, yeah.

We would like I would most definitely like to welcome Isabella Weik to the show.

Right.

This Isabella how are you doing.

Welcome.

I welcome to the awkward entrance of getting in the chair.

Oh, I love it.

Let's see.

There.

Yep.

Still, I'm still.

Yoga that did it.

Goodness gracious.

Isabella.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Now, do you know these two jokers?

I do okay, I do very, very much.

Thank you for still coming on the show.

Yes.

So, so we had a number of guests that have, tricky last names.

Yes.

And I think I just, I don't know that yours is necessarily tricky, but I think it is because there's an Ian and I, and English is hard.

I'm going to try it.

Try?

Yeah.

It's, it's Smith.

Very close.

The one syllable thing really on point.

Sure.

Yeah.

The rest of it not so much.

So much Weik, I said more weak.

No, but you said it was so much love.

I was like, yeah, Gretchen and I even wrote down right here, that's how she gets you.

Yeah.

Gretchen says terrible things to us, in an oddly warm tone.

Yeah, that's it's a method.

I thank you so much for coming.

Let's start from, how I would like to kind of start from how I sort of this is a good start.

Met you or of or realized that you were in our atmosphere and this is your life to start until you met Gretchen.

That's right.

That's true.

I feel of so many it feels like that, but it feels like you were just on the scene.

Like I would see you everywhere.

Certainly would see you at toll House, which is a place that we all, belong and work.

But tell us a little bit about what you're doing right now.

You have the Toledo Mindfulness Institute for a year.

It's just celebrated a year.

What is that?

What are you doing?

Tell us a little bit about that.

Well, yeah, I just I just want to say, first off, I love everything that this podcast stands for.

Like, I'm so I'm so touched to be here this morning.

It's a little early, but I'm.

Yeah, but we're good.

And we're we are.

We never talk about the time.

Oh, it's a time warp in here.

Oh that.

It's like Vegas right.

That's already made the first step to agree.

This is the first.

Yeah.

There's no we do it for a reason.

That's right.

There's no clock.

Yeah.

Is that why I felt like there's like a smoke in the air.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're going to be here for the next three hours.

Those are the drugs I'm realizing.

Yeah.

Okay.

So your question was, talk about TMI Sure.

Yeah.

Okay.

Or CYO basketball.

Whatever it is, it's.

You don't want to talk about basketball.

I don't know nothing.

I went to toledo school for the arts.

Yeah, I you know, you don't want me to talk about that.

All right.

Singing sure.

But nothing else about that.

So what is the Mindfulness Institute.

Yeah.

So TMI we are a wellness company and it was started by my parents about a decade ago.

Yeah.

And but it was really small.

It just kind of started as a consulting company.

So, my parents were asked to go in and give mindfulness trainings to corporations and schools, and thus TMI was born.

So it was Toledo that asked for it.

So fast forward that, my dad gave me majority ownership and I went crazy with it.

Absolutely nuts with it.

I am embarrassed to say I did not know this.

But give me a little background, I guess on your parents.

What made them, attuned to this way of thinking or this philosophy?

Are they recovering engineers and they always like.

Like what is the very hard life?

So mindfulness is a must.

So my parents are the founders of the Buddhist Temple of Toledo, actually, that I did know.

That's right.

Yeah.

My parents are.

I joke that both my parents, they really are Zen masters, and I'd have to be really, really dumb to not pick up anything, you know, from just growing up and in this environment.

You know, these practices that I get the privilege of teaching other people.

Mindfulness is secular.

Anyone can connect with this.

But those mindfulness practices are what really helped me when I was Isabella.

What does punishment from two Buddhists literally ask the exact same question?

What does that sound like?

Yeah, so let's say you just sit out in the yard.

Yeah.

Stare at a tree.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, a tree.

Yeah.

Let's see.

I actually I remember one time I was, I was really feeling left out because I didn't have the experience of, getting grounded, so I grounded myself.

I was like, all right, let's let's see what happens.

And I got bored, and, you know, the thing, but, no, the I think I was a pretty well-behaved kid sounds like.

But, Yeah.

Are you an only child?

Yeah.

I don't know that you can ground yourself.

I don't know that that's how that works.

Like I'm self in captivity.

That's right.

I put myself in my room.

I'm allowed to leave whatever I want.

That's right.

But this is the best kind of grounding.

That's right.

I know what I've done.

Yes that's right.

Yeah.

The entrepreneurship was just re in there.

It's like I decide when it's done and.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what was the I mean was the dream as a, as a kid always to follow in your parent's footsteps and do this.

Or was there another kind of childhood dream job that you had?

Well, when I was a kid, I had dreams of being a rockstar and being, you know, on stage and things and all of that kind of was on pause when I was, when I was eight years old, I got diagnosed with a really rare autoimmune disorder, and I was in a wheelchair.

I was doing chemo like I was my life was paused.

So when you ask me, what's my dream as a kid, my dream as a kid is to be here like this, right?

Like here.

Yeah.

Like be alive, actually.

So when I tell people like it is a privilege to do what I do, like I own a fitness and yoga studio.

Yeah.

And like that.

That's the dream.

You know, it's not like I was sitting there and going, One day in downtown Sylvania, there will be a dreamy spot that everyone will love.

But, you know, now, why are you an old mobster?

You got to know them, you know, it's like, oh, well, it's there.

Obviously this was some play in the the term grounding yourself.

I mean, that was a grounding agent in your life.

Clearly.

Very much so.

So you how did that change your perspective.

How does that make.

You're sort of walking Isabella.

Is that, when you were not well, is that still part of your day to day?

That's something that you reflect on or.

Absolutely.

I mean, it's a huge part of of it informs everything that I do because I know what it's like to not feel connected to your body.

You know, I never take this for granted for a day.

So when it's when it's if it's a conversation I'm having with somebody at the grocery store or whatever, like that's a moment for me to practice mindfulness.

Mindfulness is the art of being present for your life.

And I'm really grateful to have a life.

You know?

I'm grateful to be here with you.

Also, can you give us a little bit more of an education?

So mindfulness is something that's become part of our lives, I think is sort of poster during Covid, at least for me.

How old is mindfulness conceptually?

Thousands of years okay.

Thousands of years.

It's it's a it's a way we describe it's like everyone's birthright to experience your life exactly as it is.

That's a birthright.

And we also have a mind that chases pleasure and avoids pain.

And, you know, we get very caught up in what's called the thinking mind, which, that's not the case for everyone.

You know, opposite.

So I like I get it, you say it's, you know, a thousand years old, but, like, so is avocado, right?

But like avocado toast wasn't a thing until, like, four years ago when it became trendy.

Like, was there a I knew about it ten years ago.

Okay, cool.

Was there a moment when, like, as you're looking at matchsticks giving me this, like like, what are you where are you going with this?

Was there a like.

I feel like there's a moment where, like the arc, like welcomed.

Very much so, yeah.

Mindfulness.

And it became, you know, a bit of a buzz word, a bit of a trend for to kind of get back in, you know, yoga and all those things.

Probably been around for a thousand years, but it wasn't something we werent having yoga studios when I was a child.

Right.

And also, the planet is only 5000 years old according to thats what Gretchen said.

That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the in mindfulness, the, the guy who's kind of coined is like the grandfather of mindfulness seems Jon Kabat-Zinn.

And actually there's a picture of me with him.

No kidding me.

Yeah.

I was like, I was 8 or 7.

I think it was right before I had my really serious, like, diagnosis and was a picture of me with the dude like, hey, so he really helped to bring mindfulness to the forefront.

But you're exactly right.

When Covid happened and everyone shifted their focus suddenly on wellness, right?

That's when mindfulness really started to hit, like my parents say all the time, like Isabella, where you're really just getting it right at the right crest, where it's like people are caring about it.

Covid probably took about a decade worth of like, headaches and heartaches to get people to understand like that.

Condensed it into the amount of time that Covid was.

So is mindfulness tied to Buddhism, or are they two completely separate concepts?

So it's like a you think like a wheel.

It's a spoke on the wheel of Buddhism.

So it's part of it's part of the Buddhist practice that goes back thousands of years.

But that spoke on the wheel can be looked at as its own thing.

And do you practice Buddhism as well?

So what are some of the other th we've had other faith leaders and, and people on the show before.

What is like a, is there a regular weekly practice for people that practice Buddhism?

And if there was a faith based like Royal Rumble, oh, who will who know when they don't?

They will be the champion of that.

Well, I've got a shout out.

The multi-faith council of Northwest Ohio.

Yes, they're really awesome.

Yeah, yeah, I grew up going to those sessions and council meetings and that really informed to how I interact with the world, because building bridges between faith traditions, it's a great group.

It's amazing.

Right.

And it's all around service and friendship.

And that really informed how I move and how I try to move as a leader to of a company with like I got team people and, you know, I got teammates and stuff.

So, but so, to go back to Buddhism, it is a, it is a religion.

A lot of people are like, is that religion?

Is it a philosophy?

And, we have practices, traditions.

We have, principles that we organize ourselves around.

And so for in Zen Buddhism, you have the meditation practice and then some chanting and liturgy and, a talk.

And my dad's a really and my mom, they're both really good speakers and kind of learned everything.

I know from, from them.

So it's, it's fun.

I even when I was very sick, you know, I still go to their talks and, you know, I'd be laying down my, my energy was at a zero if anybody listening to us ever had a chronic illness, you know, like your energy level, it's like most people have a full battery.

If you got something going on with your health, like it takes it down to like 20%, you know?

So even with the 20%, I could still interface with, the wisdom of of it.

You mentioned, you know, wellness, and mindfulness.

I'm curious.

You know, the the difference between those two.

I would say mindfulness is a tool for people to connect to their wellness.

Wellness is, it's very, multifaceted.

There's the thing, social determinants of health.

I love learning about this kind of stuff, like with the parks and everything too, like green spaces help us with our wellness mindfulness practice, being present when you're really taking a sip of water and really feeling that water travel through your body like that's nourishing to you, having a really good conversation with someone you admire.

Okay, okay, that's good for you, you know?

So, and the wellness piece is really what I describe as wellness is the ability to be totally at whole and at home with yourself, like all the parts of you are able to just be here, and I don't I'm not sophisticated, maybe to even ask this question, but how do you audit a day?

Meaning?

I mean, you're a human being, right?

Who needs to get tired?

Just crabby, presumably just like everyone else, right?

But why are you referencing me?

What is it?

Just that, Gretchen.

Get crabby.

What is the, What how what are the check ins or the red flags to you that know that, you know, they're like, I need to be centered or grounded.

I know what's the day in, day out like.

And for those people who are listening or watching, you know, what are some things that you can do in terms of like self check in?

Is it chronologically?

Noted in a phone at noon?

You should be mindful.

Like how should someone go about a day to be.

Well, yeah.

Well, to be very clear about it.

Like I, I get very I get crabby sometimes I, you know, I get, ask my team like at the end of the day, I have one of my pitfalls as a person is I like I really strive for excellence.

Everything that I do.

So like I will be very, very hard on myself.

And that's one of my bigger things that I'm working on.

So that will show up and like, oh, you know, I'm like, I'm, I'm literally building this company, you know, and it's like, I got to give myself a little bit more of the this kind of moment.

But, so what I hope is that before I get to that point where it's like, well, you know, it's, it's really found in the moments where, like I just did actually, like taking a breath.

So for some people, they like a good app, you know, good thing to go and they go oh but eventually the hope is that it travels into your system.

And so I'm interested that you brought up the app and the phone because phones for so many people are seem to be the seem to be the opposite of mindfulness.

And then it's mindless.

It's time.

It's just wasted.

And I'm speaking also for myself, you know, where you're just constantly picking it up, looking at Instagram or whatever.

Doomscrolling.

Yeah, sure.

And and so do you.

You how do you handle that?

Do you use your phone for mindfulness exercises?

Do you try to have it set aside?

Is it how do they work together.

Yeah.

How you were having such a great I love your podcast.

I listen to all the episodes.

I mean, such a great conversation with Adam about this yesterday where it's like, some mysterious time when this podcast comes out, right?

That you, could catch, where it's like the phone can be a vessel as a get you to point A to point B, you know, I fully agree with that, like Adam and so cool would.

He's so cool.

You could just say anything and be like, yeah, yeah.

Like that's that's the fact, right?

Right.

But that's if you're interested in art or culture or put in something smart and we are not.

Yeah, yeah.

No we're not like that.

We don't mean I'm not none of those things.

Right.

But yeah, it's a really a live question because right now, especially with, with kiddos in particular, it's like they're, they're getting a constant stream of this, like, candid, curated goodness for them.

We all are.

But especially those.

Yeah, I can go on my phone right now exactly like, and it's it's quite frankly, it's very unfair.

It's unfair to the kiddos.

I, I always with, with kids, I always say that, you know, I describe kids as, as a popsicle stick.

Right?

And we've got all of this pressure on one end to fail and pressure to succeed on the other end.

And like, the only thing is, like, parents and community we can do is like, grab out of the middle and hold on tight because, like, it's going to snap, right?

And I think, you know, they've got such like unfettered access to everything and everything good and everything bad, all on those devices.

So between Kevin's analogies about avocado toast and popsicle.

Yeah.

Which which is which, you're going to have a popsicle or avocado, which makes you feel the most unwell.

Right.

I got a question here, and I hope that's a quick one.

Because I don't want them to, talk anymore.

And wellness is for yourself or for others.

It it is important to put your mask on first.

Can you talk a little bit about taking care of oneself, thus being able to take care of others, but also being selfless, like what is the interwoven component of being a healthy human being and also an active community and responsible woman?

Well, you can you can really only give what you have.

Like that's another way of saying the thing that you talked about with the mask.

But when I heard it that way, it's like, what do I what do I want to give to the world?

You know, again, you guys know my story now.

Like, this is crazy that I'm even here.

So like, what do what do I want to give?

What do I want to leave people.

I want to leave people feeling warm and heard and seen and connected and, you know, so it's oh, I have to do that for myself and like, legitimately do that for me.

Give yourself permission to do it.

Yeah.

You do make people feel that way.

By the way.

Oh, thanks Gretchen.

And let's take a quick break.

When we come back, we're going to have more conversations with Isabella Weik from Toledo Mindfulness Institute.

Learn a little bit more about your journey.

And then I'm also really curious about where it's going.

I think anybody who knows you kind of sees that trajectory and gets excited about it.

So we're excited to continue that conversation.

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Welcome back into the 419.

What a great, great launch back.

That's right.

Yeah, I think we are doing it.

Yeah.

Our version of the ball drop is, how we marked time on the show is my chair slowly goes into the ground.

Yeah.

So we better talk fast.

It's good to see that your hat.

My mom's going to be like I told you that had, It's better with him under the desk.

Yeah, she's a carnival barker.

Yeah, yeah.

So our our, you know, podcast and show logo.

Yes.

My kids always refer to Matt as dead Gretchen and mines, son.

Yeah.

Oh, I of because, like.

Yeah, but anyway, looks like a kid.

They made him have.

But it's like he is younger.

So Gretchen, you had mentioned so we're talking with Isabella Weik from Toledo Mindfulness Institute.

She is, Gretchen's surprise guest.

This episode, you had mentioned that, like, you felt like she just kind of, like, came on the scene.

Yes.

You and I, Isabella met through rotary.

You were with Rotary Act?

I was with a little rotary.

And I felt like the moment I met you, I now see you in all of these rooms.

I want to talk a little bit.

Let's talk a little bit about rotary, because I think there's certainly an overlap in kind of what your goals are and what rotary stands for.

What brought you to Rotary Act?

I am so grateful for Rotary Act.

It really that we're talking about, like, you know, you're in every room wherever rotary was a vessel for me to do that.

But one of the things that I, I knew going into being a young professional in Toledo is that I wanted to help.

But the first thing you have to do is not go in guns blazing saying, this is what we're going to change like it does.

It doesn't.

It doesn't work like right now.

Right?

So, I decided to be a sincere student of the city.

And so I just literally articulated, thanks.

I really like I, I joke that I was like a potted plant at Earth coffee shop where I was just like, you know, I just hang out, and I just, you know, I, I try to I had some, you know, some thoughts about things we could work on as a city.

But I wanted to make sure that I was learning from people such as yourself to be like, no, this is probably like we've already tried to do that 100 times.

And here's the, you know, so, to get to get to act, though, I, I saw a hole, I saw a gap and a lot of these rooms.

I was in a lot of conversations.

Talent retention was a huge thing that kept coming up.

And so I was like, well, I need friends really bad.

You know, I felt kind of lonely, actually, as a young professional.

Like, I walk into certain rooms and spaces and I just, I wouldn't feel, like there was really a spot for me.

I've always been kind of entrepreneurial and creative.

I went to TSA like, and there wasn't really a at the time.

I didn't feel that there was a networking space quite for me.

Yeah.

So, there was an opportunity.

I went to a rotary meeting.

I was like, hey, Isabella.

And they're like, what do you do?

And I'm like, I didn't even have anything to say to that.

I was like, I am vibing right now.

I don't quite know what that is, which was very scary, but real.

So and in those real conversations with Rotarians, they were like, you know, we're trying to form a young professional group.

And I said, I can do that.

Yeah.

So I'm the founding destiny, right?

Yeah.

The founding president elect of it.

And I'm very, very grateful.

But don't take the courage out of it.

I mean, almost every place USA, I think, is notorious for eating there young, right?

People want to stay relevant.

They see a young person like, oh, we've heard you already said something that is just rattles my head all the time.

We've already tried that.

Okay, well, that doesn't mean that that isn't worth trying again.

Or that this time around the wheel, if you will, doesn't make it the exact right time.

A lot of time is luck.

Yeah.

I also love like I mean, as you tell that story, I get excited from a different perspective because as you're describing this conversation with somebody in the rotary room, right?

And you're like, well, what do you do?

And you're like, I'm just vibing.

I instantly get nervous about the possible response you get because that's my, you know, rotary, right?

Is is often, you know, is it.

Across the country, rotary is described as male pale and stale.

Right.

That's that's the phrase and I and I, you know, myself and the other leaders of our Toledo Club you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Have worked really hard, have worked really hard.

Is the year we've worked really hard to buck that trend.

And I think we've seen tremendous growth in the club in Toledo because of that, because of those intentional efforts.

What just that response, but indicates that the culture is different.

Yeah.

So so if people are familiar with rotary they may not be familiar with Rotary Act.

What's the difference.

So rotary acts.

It means rotary in action.

It's the young professional incubator for the future Rotarians.

So it's it's all based on the same principles of service and leadership and, serving as a way of being which I really identified with.

And it's an amazing way to it's that step I was as we as a leadership team, we were looking at what it could be.

It's a step between the college or whatever your a high schooler and being able to be a person that could come to a podcast like this, you know, like I rotary helped prepare me to be able to speak to you today and have something to say.

Seriously, what's the thing you're most proud of in your year?

Serving as the the president of Rotary Act?

What what's something that that you're most proud of?

The same as you actually like during your presidency, you have you made amazing efforts in increasing membership and, just getting the awareness out, and I, I feel that I did the same.

We did this.

Do you feel like you have your little tribe of people now?

You have you have when you go into rooms, you you recognize people.

I mean, has the effort paid off to you personally?

Professionally?

Very much so.

I am honored to say, like, you know, my peers are the people that are like, they're doing amazing stuff.

They're doing it like I would trust, you know, when I have kids in the future, I'll trust and babysit my kids and also like, let's do, let's, let's make the city better together, I guess.

Yeah.

The question for both of you during your presidency, your thoughts on taking over Venezuela during that time?

Did it ever come up?

Know you know what is of all of the conversations that we tackled, it was other countries, but it was never.

Yeah, it was never one.

Well, you had a busy year.

Yeah.

Right.

That's right, that's right.

So let's let's switch back a little bit to TMI.

Someone walks into a mindfulness institute.

What what can they do there?

What can what would what would happen there if I, if I walk in, it would close immediately, you know, we say, welcome, Gretchen.

Here's a cup of tea.

Okay.

But now that we have a brick and mortar space, which that opened, in November of 2024, so very recent.

It's a full service yoga studio, so you can come in and get a membership, and we have classes, yoga, sculpt, all the good things.

Sound baths.

I love doing those.

I'm a jazz musician, actually, that's what I trained at the University of Toledo and TSA, so I incorporate that into the sound healing stuff that we do.

But, so that's you think yoga studio TMI is that, but also equally as much.

And this is the part that I'm really excited to continue to develop is our in the community efforts.

We're working with specialized populations.

This past year, weekly I was giving mindfulness and yoga trainings to the Toledo Police Department.

Wow.

Weekly I learned how to speak, share by working with them weekly.

I mean, talk about like whatever had to be intimidating.

Yeah, right.

Day one walking into a group was that is a mandated to to to officers or.

Okay.

Yeah I was part of their have a wellness day and got connected that way and yeah I mean I literally had to I, I what's the phrase cut my teeth?

I learned how to be able to walk in a room with people who don't.

They don't care.

They don't care about mindfulness.

By the end of it, we're all practicing.

We're all having fun.

That's amazing.

I agree.

Is it is it often that people bring a firearm to their mindfulness workshop?

It was hilarious.

We're doing a spinal twist and the guy's gun is just right there.

And I'm like, whoa, this is a this is an experience, right?

So that's just one of the specialized populations.

So working with people with intellectual and developmental disabilities, bittersweet farm, we've got a prenatal yoga, track going on to like, there's so much and I maybe I off camera, I could use some advice from you guys on how to how to even describe it all.

It's like it's literally in live time.

I'm seeing this all unfold in the last six months, and I'm like, okay, we do this, we do that.

And I don't want it to seem like we're just, you know, there's no direction.

There's clear direction, right?

But like how it all shapes so many of my friends that have taken this entrepreneurial leap, describe somewhat of, I don't want to call it frantic or chaotic, but, like, just kismet, right?

How, opportunities come in front of them that, that when they had the vision for the company, it didn't include this.

It's like when avocado toast comes together and you have all the.

Right.

Yeah.

You know what?

Toppings.

Yeah.

You know what?

I'm about to on mindfulness and on the wait list, both as you know as well, you know how to build it up, which means you also know how to tear it down.

I'm gonna need your help on this one.

But, you know, I, I guess I don't know where I was going with that now.

Thanks a lot, Gretchen.

No, but I think that your mindset is you clearly have it.

We've talked about that many times, but you clearly have it as well.

Did you have in mind when you said, hey, I'm going to I'm going to take over, like, you know, the family business and I'm going to get a brick and mortar space.

I'm also going to train the Toledo police department, and I'm going to work with, folks with special needs.

Was that up?

Was that a piece of this?

No, no.

Where did that come from?

Like, what did that how did that opportunity come?

It was about, you know, like, I love I love Toledo so much.

Like I love it.

Toledo is in the name of the company.

Like, I never want that to change.

Yeah.

No matter what, where it goes like it was, it was the community asking for that.

And I was say yes, yes, it right.

My job to say yes and make sure that my I and my team are the most well equipped to be able to handle it.

So our whole team is trauma informed.

That was incredibly important to me.

And, that allows us to work with whoever needs us.

And starting this year, I think February, March, you're starting a program for kids at TMI?

Yes.

I'm so excited.

So what age groups.

Yeah.

Tell us about it.

So, it started with, again, the same thing.

Like I had a group of moms.

Hello.

We, love being a member here at TMI.

We love coming to the classes.

We always feel better.

Can you do this for our kids?

Because our kids are.

And I talked to we work with teachers, too.

It's a whole other thing that we do as well.

But teachers, parents, everybody is saying our kiddos are really struggling right now with like just even being able to like, tolerate being like, it's just real.

It's very and I'm really curious to see what the literature is going to be like coming out of this where it's like, you know, kid development with Covid, you know, this is just but, what I tell the parents is that, you know, this is a challenging time, but there have been challenging times for a long throughout time throughout.

Sure.

Like there are kiddos that were growing up during a world war, you know, like, so this is this is our thing, but we got to meet a head on.

And so that's what I've that's what we did.

I work I'm working with the parents right now to tailor create this kids program that's close a weekly session for kids ages 7 to 11.

That's just a start, right?

We got to get a home base.

But, in the class, it's a 45 minute class.

They'll learn mindfulness practice and yoga and, fun.

I mean, I was maybe you mentioned this were the age groups.

So we have 7 to 11.

Okay.

But then I also the dream is to expand to like, the teen program all the way down to, I don't know, three years old.

Sure.

You know, three year olds are terrors.

My three year old is interested in okay.

Which is what I should do first, the yoga.

But she has a little mat.

Oh, that's so cute.

You need to take her out there.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Drop your off places.

I. Oh, please.

I'll let them there for us to be open.

Do you accept bearded dragons?

Oh my gosh.

Oh, and I know what you're referring to because I love your podcast.

As a kid, also with the bearded dragon, you were a bearded dragon kid.

No.

No.

Okay.

Shes normal.

No, no, no, what you're saying is the kid.

When.

When Matt drops off the bearded.

Oh, yeah.

You also drop off the kid.

I mean, if that's, if that's the name for Bearded Dragon yoga is the next 100%.

There's there's.

Let's.

You have goat yoga.

Have you done goat yoga.

Yeah, I have that is the number one thing that the police officers would ask me every time to go there, like where the goats is about like where the chickens.

Like, where are the.

You know, like the whole farm, where the cats where I was like, as a chamber go around Jersey Police Department.

Yeah, but that was that's.

Yes, I love it.

Yeah.

This is wonderful.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was great.

Yeah.

What.

So goat yoga is one like, what's the craziest I guess crazy is not the right term for yoga, but like, are you done like different niche versions of yoga.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, honestly, the coolest gig that I've ever done I've done many cool gigs, but like, the one that was like the coolest was the one we did at the Metroparks actually, like we had over 750 people registered for that.

Yeah, it was about that was insane.

What was it?

Where was it?

It was at Glass city.

We didnt tell Gretchen I didn't hear about it was canceled in Metro Park.

And, we're in that amphitheater space all celebrating Toledo.

But.

So I guess the cool, the cuckoo thing was that it was a group of people that all believe in the city.

Yeah.

Like just just like this podcast.

So it was like that time 750 people.

And it was.

That was so cool.

Good energy.

Yeah.

So let me add that, go to the negative here because I think the outcome is a positive one.

But there is a lot of things out there that are going dragging positivity to every room.

It's usually not without its challenge.

But what are mechanisms, even as simple as breathing, dealing with things that are difficult, dealing with difficult people and making sure that you're not you're well is in place.

And a couple of tips to our audience as to how you go through the day to day and not have it drag you down.

When we do a mindfulness exercise, we can do it right?

Yes, let's do it.

Okay, my friend, we have time.

Boy, we.

I'll make it.

Okay?

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

We got a little bit of time for the mindfulness model.

That's right, that's right, that's right.

So I'll have everybody, if you're listening, in your car or whatever, wherever, wherever you're at, feel your points of contact in your chair, on your floor and with the feet and allow your eyes to close or find a spot in front of you.

And notice where in your body you are holding tension, that you don't need to hold it to my left.

It could be your shoulders, your jaw, your belly, your forehead, the temples and notice the feeling of your breath as it moves in and out for your nose.

And then move on to your next thing.

I'm gonna fall out of this chair now.

It is.

I think it's like it's.

It seems it's so simple, but it makes such.

You just don't do it.

I do think that, you know, and we've joked about this, because we are, you know, certainly, epicenters of health, that it's usually talked about.

I get started to somebody brought the, our culture by celebrities or, you know, professional athletes.

You know, many moons ago, we started thinking about food in the transactional nature of you need to provide energy, right.

And then LeBron James or one of the Kardashians, started talking about the fact that, oh, you need sleep.

People are like, oh, okay, now we sleep.

And now in at least.

And I'm certainly behind right as I'm in most things.

But breathing and oxygen.

But if you take those things holistically, like, let me just get this straight.

I need to be mindful of, And I'm no pun intended.

And you need to be aware of what I'm putting into my body that I that this complicated yet simple mechanism need sleep and breathing.

Right.

So that is.

And making time for it.

We joked at the beginning of the show, which I'm sure you were riveted by, you know, about New Year's resolutions and going to the gym.

Like, we certainly have fine time to do things that take, so it should be equally easy to find things that fill your bucket.

But we don't do that.

Right.

There's a there's an appropriate way of looking at the concept of entitlement, right.

It also makes you a better and more present for others.

So I, I'm, I'm not surprised at that.

That quick task, although not simple because these are we are complex organisms, some more than others.

But that does that does work.

How frequently during the day.

Isabella, are you finding yourself taking what I would describe as 30s to to reset or however you describe it?

You can do something real simple, like if you're driving and you're at a red light like your red light is your cue.

That's here.

That's your stimuli to be like, oh, okay, I got a blue, you could every time you take a drink of water or something, that's your cue.

You can find something in your day to kind of link it to it.

But the, the important piece of this that most people are running around just using the power of their mind and their body is just flailing behind them, but their mind can go, we can do stuff, right.

But eventually everybody, without exception, is going to hit a wall.

And that's why you take these many moments.

You don't even know what you're preventing health wise for yourself, right?

By doing that, if people want to get in contact with, it's a little mindfulness institute.

What?

What's website?

Location.

Yeah.

So Toledo Mindfulness institute.com, and we're located in the heart of downtown Sylvania, right above Chandler Cafe.

And, you can find me on Instagram, too.

Isabella Weik And, the Mindfulness Institute on Instagram.

And you brought us a gift that we demand you bring.

Yes, for our bookshelves.

I brought you a gift.

Okay, so this has actually, Matt, I'm really glad you're sitting next to me.

So this is a little first ever Christmas event of, Toledo Mindfulness Institute and the Metroparks.

This is from our our guild class that we did.

I spoke about earlier, and it all wrapped around the phrase our wellness shapes Toledo's future.

That's amazing.

So that's the heart of it.

All right, Isabella, thank you.

Thank you so much for being good to see you.

When we come back on the 419, we'll be joined by Cathy Kamenca here from WGTE.

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We are joined now by Cathy Kamenca Good morning.

Cathy, you are director of programing I, I am the TV program coordinator.

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Yeah.

So everything that involves programing, I pretty much and coordination and coordination and coordination for the parts of both.

Yeah.

Well, consider us to be programmatic.

We're coordinated.

Yeah.

You're doing the best part is I do the TV program, I do all four schedules, and I take the programs out to the public, or I bring the public here to show the programs just so they know.

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So so if people want to complain about this show, they take it to you.

They do what is your Cathy underscore Kamenca.

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Yeah that's right I say compliments too though.

So you know that's usually what you'll find in the internet.

There's 97 is about to send in an email right now.

That's right.

That's one of our big fans.

Yeah.

So WGTE is under undertaken a some of some big changes.

2026 the reason the three of us are sitting here right now is part of those changes.

Sure.

So what tell us a little bit about that.

And, and and what's been going on here.

Well, we are, super focused on local at this point.

We, the community solely supports us at this point.

So we need to do programs solely for the community right here in Toledo.

So this has been obviously premiere week here at WGTE.

So tell me, as being one of the 419 show premiering on WGTE how does it feel in your new spot?

It's it's fantastic.

It's exciting to me.

When we started.

Really?

Yeah.

when we started this journey talking about, you know, expanding the podcast and turn it into a show.

It when we started talking to WGTE about it, I mean, it felt home did it and it felt like the kind of partnership we were looking for where we set our priorities.

WGTE were right there alongside them.

And so it really it's been wonderful.

Wow.

We're excited about, you know, what can what can happen.

And I think I appreciate that, you know, it's, it's easy to look at the news, right, to see what's happening as a negative.

And I appreciate that the leadership here at WGTE say, well, let's let's look at the opportunity here.

Right, right.

So exactly.

So the world is telling us we need to act different.

Right.

Let's act different.

Well thanks.

Thanks for being here with us and being part of our big changes.

We had also the local threads premiered this week is all about.

Yeah, yeah, that's on FM 91.

It's on weeknights from 7 to 8:00.

We partner with La Prensa.

Yeah.

Toledo Free Press, the Sojourner Truth.

And so the public schools, it's hosted by everybody knows to say what what font size is this?

Oh, it's a big one because I don't have my glasses on.

This is 22.

Yeah, absolutely.

That is my phone.

Yes, I see it.

Gretchen.

That's a great question.

Yeah, sure.

You can probably see this from outer space.

I, I sent a text to Doctor Durant.

Yeah.

The other day, as I was driving in my car, it was broken and the episodes came on.

You're not supposed to drive in text.

That's true.

I was at a red light.

And in lieu of mindfulness, I was to send in text messages and gamble.

But, yeah, but I, I actually was able to, to catch, part of the show with TPS earlier this week and it was fantastic.

It was so good.

I texted him, I had a joke, and, I said, you know, of course you get prime time, you know, we're on at 3:00, you get prime time.

I see how it is now, see exactly.

But it was great.

So yeah, for sure at seven, 7 to 8 p.m.

and then wherever you find your podcast on other the platforms, it's they're working on another great show that I'm kind of involved in.

It's called sessions, and we are recording original music from Toledo local band.

That's really cool.

Dannys Rossford is letting us use their club room upstairs.

We've done five so far.

It's really exciting, a lot of fun.

Yeah, it is really a lot of fun.

And they we went Toledo, hear their original music.

That's a great idea.

So yeah.

So it'll it'll hit the digital platforms and all that kind of stuff.

But we have we have ways to go.

We're going to do like a season of 13 okay.

So we have eight more to go yet.

But the bands have been calling in calling us to be a part of this.

I want to be a part of this.

Well, schedule.

There's a lot of talented people.

It's all their original music is real original.

They are actually three quarters of a barbershop quartet.

Okay.

Yeah, well, I need to hook you up.

Yeah, I need to go for a fourth and ideally, a fourth that actually knows how to sing.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Yes.

Right.

Or has I do know how to sing.

Yeah, that's actually true.

But you can sing.

Okay.

Despite the just generally offputting nature of her voice.

And we'll get this and we'll meet you at Danny's.

We'll get a time set up.

Okay.

So, you know, I through one of my crazy ventures I was involved in, party in the Park.

Okay, this past summer, and, the community's excitement around local.

Yes.

Was just incredible all summer.

And and what I noticed.

And I'm going to get in trouble by the organizers when I say this, is that I mean, the data shows that the local bands performed so well and the the biggest nights of attendance that we had in the summer weren't the regional or national acts that came in, really.

It was the local bands.

Oh, I love and I and there's a lot of great talent and a lot of great music.

And I think that these guys providing, exciting show, as you guys have sort of thought about, kind of this, this reimagining of the role that it plays in the community.

Yeah, I imagine that's been challenging and scary and scary challenging.

But, but then you get the other side of it, too.

It's like, okay, so what we get is a clean slate, right?

So it's like, what can we do?

How can we we already in the community, we already have, we all have our own community members that we work with.

How can we all work together?

You know, we were all working together before.

How can we even do it more so.

So yes, scary.

And everything, but clean slate as well.

We're working on series, as you might know, the Metro parks.

Yes.

Yeah, I'm familiar with you have to tell me you have a documentary coming.

And then we got the kids obstacle series.

And of course we're going to do it with, like, we're aging to our middle school aged friends, and it's going to be kind of an obstacle course.

I haven't seen the whole layout yet, but it's going to be a series and they have to do challenges out in nature.

Oh that's fun.

Yeah.

So, again, there's a group called Toledo area Culture Leaders that meet, we are discussing, you know, the things that we can do and should do together.

Right?

Means an immense amount of talent, in almost any Toledo room.

Right.

Other than rooms with Killams in it, which is my last name.

So it was a very quick, back and forth for Shane.

And I passed him along to our exceptional communications, group and, our programing team and our natural resources.

Right.

So everyone wants to tell their story, right?

But WGTE tells great stories, and they tell the stories of, you know, things that have been a rich history.

But one thing that's we talked about, you know, when we're not here, is we're telling your stories like today, like this is happening today.

The person that we have on our show, like yourself right now, you're in the community today, not you know, 50 years ago, and you're building a canal or opening teidkeys, right.

Which is a significant events.

But you grocery shop in Ohio.

You're exactly right.

Right.

So how long have you been here at WGTE.

It'll be 24 years next month.

Wow.

I started in 2020, 2002.

Okay.

Yeah.

So that's awesome.

So.

Yeah.

So.

And I'm only like, you know, 30.

I don't know how that happens, but do do the math.

And that, you know, we're not at risk of us doing math.

So there's also a nature thing we're working on too, on mindful nature, on how nature helps people and all the good things it does for people, too.

That's another one.

We have three new Toledo stories we're working on for 2026.

That's great.

So we're still telling Toledo's stories.

So as we as we wrap up here, what is your hope for this show?

This this for for you.

Do you have hope?

I have plenty of hope.

Okay.

And I think it shows a lot of promise.

And I just want it to be something that people come to every day as, as as a breath of fresh air.

Right.

It's like, 419.

I'm going to take, you know, okay.

I did all the negative stuff.

I'm just going to come and watch the time.

I don't have to think I want people to go local, talk about all the local stuff and all the good stuff that's happening locally.

And I think it's just a breath of fresh air.

I love it, as are you.

Thank you so much, so much.

I have to come back and give us any updates and I would love to, I have plenty.

I had fun yourself to to take some of these billboards.

Right, right.

I can hang up.

Yeah, but it's all because of your support, yours and mine.

So where can people find out about the programs?

Oh.

Information at wgte,org You can go to TV, FM and education to wherever you want.

The TV schedules are always there.

I got a new line up Sunday night of all new shows at 8:00, 9:00 and 10:00 that people are so excited about.

We just had a screener last night here for All Creatures Great and Small season six.

Yeah, I had a room full of people and we all watched the first episode together with cookies and coffee.

Cathy, what is your sleep schedule like?

Well, I know, yeah, yeah.

No, I don't know you, Cathy.

Thank you.

Thank you for having.

Thank you.

It's so nice to meet you.

I can't wait to see you again.

Yeah, I'm excited for this new venture and the partnership.

When we come back, we'll wrap up the show.

I nailed it.

Yeah, I'm on a roll.

I just did a tutorial on make sure you have the kind of just.

Energy.

We'll see how well I do when we come back.

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Welcome back in to our final segment of the 419.

Gretchen, you did a great job with your guest.

Thank you.

I don't mean to say that.

As surprised as it probably sounds, it did sound surprising, but she's a delight, and she truly, when you engage with her in the community, she's.

She's the real deal.

And another example of someone that I knew that I clearly didn't know, right?

I mean, there's a lot of her background that I didn't know about, and there's even a lot about her business that I didn't know about because, you know, a lot of the interactions we have with with folks in a, in a community setting like this can tend to be relatively surface or transactional.

And we go to rotary meeting and it's, you know, Happy New Year.

How's the weather?

Right.

Those kind of things.

How about this heat.

That's right.

But but you know, it is rare to take the time and maybe this is what is being talked about.

Take the time to really ask curious questions of the people in our lives.

And that's one of the things that I really enjoy about this show in this time is we get a chance to do it's impressive that she just found her way.

You know, she was looking for something to do, wanted to become engaged, had that entrepreneurial spirit, and she found it.

What?

She's doing it.

What's something that you're that you took away from the conversation with Isabelle today?

Not, it's not new, but it's just an important reminder.

It's like you do have the time and you're not doing yourself any favors or knowing or anyone else around you by not taking the moment to decompress, you know?

And one of the breaks, you talked about it at a stoplight, as opposed to what Isabelle was saying, like, take the moment you were like, catching up with somebody.

Right?

We now get in an elevator and immediately get on our phone.

Right.

Not so to me, it was just a reminder that, like, it's time is is the commodity and you got to use it, right.

How about you.

Similar to what Matt said.

And just just again just impressed with Isabella I'm very excited to see what she's going to continue to bring to our region.

So I screwed up.

You did because I it was still a new show right.

We're still her name isn't Isabella.

That's right.

Her name is not Isabella.

We were supposed to do the for a nine.

Gretchen's wacky 419 quiz with Isabella, and I did not kick it off.

Okay, I got to, focused, mindful.

You got to go to the.

That's what I'm.

Yeah.

Play the victim cards.

Right.

So, so just, you know, for folks that that, you know, joined us today specifically to hear the 419 quiz I guess my apology will get better the next time.

That's right.

But huge thank you to, Isabella Weik from Toledo Mindfulness Institute.

Thank you to Cathy Kamenca, from here at WGTE for joining us.

A lot of really exciting things are happening here at WGTE as well.

And of course, thank you to all of you for joining us here on the program.

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