>>> NOW, IT'S THE VOTERS TURN.

WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

THE EYES OF THE NATION WILL BE ON OHIO TUESDAY NIGHT AS THE VOTES COME IN.

ISSUE ONE, WHICH WOULD ENSHRINE ABORTION RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION IS THE ONLY REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ISSUE ON THE BALLOT IN THE COUNTRY THIS YEAR.

LESSONS LEARNED FROM THIS CAMPAIGN AND THIS ELECTION WILL GUIDE ADVOCATES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE IN UPCOMING VOTES.

POLLS SHOW SUPPORTERS OF ABORTION RIGHTS HAVE THE EDGE BUT OPPONENTS HOPE THE GRASSROOTS TURNOUT EFFORTS WILL GIVE THEM THE EDGE THEY NEED IN THIS AUDIO ELECTION.

OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME OPTIMISM ON TUESDAY THAT YOUR SIDE WILL WIN?

>> WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY UP THE MEDIC RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE DONE POLLING, I'M SURE THE ACLU HAS AS WELL.

IT WILL BE A TIGHT RACE.

A LOT CLOSER THAN AUGUST.

AS LONG AS OUR MODELS AND PROJECTIONS HOLD TRUE, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY WILL, WE WILL BE SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS COME ELECTION NIGHT NEXT TUESDAY.

>> THE ACLU AND MANY OTHER GROUPS SUPPORT ISSUE ONE.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD, PHYSICIANS FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.

EARLY VOTING HAS BEEN STRONG.

DO YOU WORRY ABOUT THE ELECTION DAY VOTE, THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE THAT TENDS TO COME OUT ON ELECTION DAY THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF HIDDEN VOTE THERE?

>> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THE NUMBERS BEEN OUT ON ELECTION DAY.

THE POLLING IS STRONG.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THE MISINFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN SPREAD.

IT IS NOT THE CASE THAT WE HAVE JUST TWO SIDES THAT ARE WAITING TO SEE WHAT THE VOTERS OF OHIO THINK.

IT IS WE HAVE ONE SIDE, THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO DEFEAT IF SHE ONE THAT ARE MAKING PEOPLE THINK THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WILL DO THINGS THAT WHAT I HOPE IS THAT PEOPLE FIND OUT A VOTE IS HAPPENING AND THEY DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND MAKE THE BEST DECISION THAT REFLECTS THE WILL OF IOWANS, WHICH IS PROTECTING THE RIGHT TO ABORTION.

>> ANDREW, FIRST, TURNOUT HAS BEEN DECENT, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT FOR AN ODD YEAR ELECTION WITH ONLY MUNICIPAL AND COUNTY ELECTIONS .

THERE ARE TWO STATEWIDE ISSUES.

>> THE DATA WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR EARLY VOTING IS A COUPLE THINGS OUT OF DATE SO IT IS UNCLEAR WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY.

I THINK WE ARE ON TRACK TO MEET THE EARLY VOTE.

IS THE EARLY VOTE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL VOTE WILL THAT BE?

ARE PEOPLE VOTING EARLY THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE VOTING ON ELECTION DAY?

IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ON TRACK BUT I GUESS WE WILL FIND OUT.

>> WHAT IMPACT WILL GOVERNOR DeWINE'S REVERSAL ON THE RAPE AND EXCEPTION ON THE HEARTBEAT OR, WHAT IMPACT MIGHT NOT HAVE?

>> GOVERNOR DeWINE'S INJECTION INTO THE CAMPAIGN RIGHT AFTER THE AUGUST ELECTION HAS TREMENDOUSLY CHANGED IT FOR US TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

HIS LEADERSHIP, HIS WIFE'S LEADERSHIP, THE COMMERCIALS THEY FUN, ADVOCACY THEY HAVE DONE HAS CLOSED THE GAP FOR US.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR GOVERNOR DeWINE AND WHAT HE'S DONE.

HE MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE EXCEPTIONS AND I THINK AFTER THE ELECTION, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS, THE LEGISLATURE WILL SIT DOWN WITH THEM.

THEY WILL COME UP WITH WHAT IS BEST FOR OHIO FROM THERE.

I THINK IT IS A CLEAR DEMONSTRATION TO OHIO AND WE ARE IN A DIVERSE STATE, THERE'S A LOT OF PRO-CHOICE PEOPLE AND A LOT OF PRO-LIFE PEOPLE.

SHOVING SOMETHING INTO THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T WORK.

LET THE LEGISLATURE DO THEIR JOB.

THAT IS WHY WE ELECT THEM.

LIBERALS, DEMOCRATS, GET IN A ROOM, FIGURE IT OUT.

>> YOU HINTED AT THIS BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME ROOM FOR COMPROMISE AND YOU'VE ALSO HINTED THE CARDIAC ACTIVITY LONG WANT TO FOR BUT IT WASN'T UNTIL A WEEK BEFORE YOU DID INTERVIEWS WITH SEVERAL OUTLETS SETTING THE HEARTBEAT LAW IS, IT.

>> I'M NOT SURE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK HIM.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, HE GETS A SENSE OF OHIO WIND.

HE'S TREMENDOUSLY POPULAR, HE WON 54% OF THE VOTE FOR MONTHS AFTER THE DOBBS DECISION.

OHIOANS ARE PROBABLY NOT AT THE SIX WEEK LEVEL, MAYBE 15 WEEKS.

OR THE CURRENT 20 WEEK LAW.

MAYBE THAT IS WHERE WE ARE.

>> TEMPORARILY, IF IT GOT TO THE SUPREME COURT WOULD SUPPORT THE SO-CALLED HEARTBEAT LAW.

MORGAN, THE OHIO NORTHERN POLL INDICATES A CHANGE IN LANGUAGE FROM FETUS TO UNBORN CHILD MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IN THE POLL, ISSUE ONE TEST BOTH POLES BUT THE MARGIN OF VICTORY WAS MUCH SMALLER WHEN YOU USE THE TERM UNBORN CHILD.

THAT SHOWS THERE IS SOME QUEASINESS OUT THERE, PERHAPS.

>> THESE ARE THE TYPES OF TACTICS I WAS REFERRING TO THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO MANIPULATE VOTERS BY TRIGGERING CERTAIN, WHAT THEY THINK WILL BE EMOTIONAL REACTIONS.

AND, IT IS NOT RIGHT.

I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE GETTING A BARRAGE OF ADS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

IT IS HARD TO MAKE OUT WHAT THE TAKE AWAY IS.

THE BIGGEST THING FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, LIKE I WAS SAYING, A VOTE IS HAPPENING.

THE ABILITY FOR ABORTION IS ON THE BALLOT.

WE KNOW THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN OHIO SUPPORT THE RIGHT TO MAKE OUR OWN REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH DECISIONS.

>> MIKE, IS THAT THE INTENT WHEN THE BALLOT BOARD CHANGED THE LANGUAGE FROM FETUS TO UNBORN CHILD?

>> THE BALLOT BOARD DID ITS JOB.

THERE IS NO LAW THEY HAVE TO REPRESENT WHAT ONE PROPOSES.

THAT IS NOWHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF AN UNBORN CHILD OFFENDS YOU, MAYBE THAT IS WHERE YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER ABORTION SHOULD BE LEGAL OR ILLEGAL.

IT IS LEGAL IN THE STATE OF OHIO, RIGHT NOW, PRESENTLY FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, CHOICE, , LIFE OF THE MOTHER UP TO 20 WEEKS.

THAT IS THE LAW, FOR NOW.

IF THE HEARTBEAT LAW IS AT THE TRIAL COURT AND IT WILL TAKE 18 TO 24 MONTHS BEFORE IT GETS TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO TO THE TRIAL COURT, COURT OF APPEALS.

FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, A WOMAN CAN HAVE AN ABORTION THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION UP TO 20 WEEKS IN OHIO.

THAT IS WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.

>> THE OHIO SUPREME COURT IS STAUNCHLY PRO-LIFE, EVEN WHEN HE HAD TO RECUSE HIMSELF FOR THIS CASE.

THEY IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WILL UPHOLD THE CARDIAC ACTIVITY LOG, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> NO.

OHIO RIGHT TO LIFE HAS LOST TWICE AT THE SUPREME COURT ON DIFFERENT ISSUES.

THERE IS NO RUBBERSTAMPING BY THE COURT.

THEY NEED TO BALANCE AND WEIGH THE FACTS AND THE LAW AT HAND.

I WANT THEM TO THE SCALE IN OUR FAVOR ANYMORE THAN ON THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD SITE.

>> ANDREW, IS THERE ANY CONFUSION WHAT VOTERS ARE VOTING ON THIS ELECTION?

THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO THAT VOTING, THEY ARE CHOOSING TO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS FOR SOME RESTRICTIONS OR DO YOU OPPOSE ABORTION RIGHTS FOR THE MOST PART?

>> ANECDOTALLY, YOU HEAR PEOPLE KNOWING WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE MEANS THEY NEED TO VOTE.

THERE CAN BE A STRATEGY TO MAKE IT CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE BUT WE HAVE SOME REPORTERS WHO HAVE BEEN WHEN, FOR INSTANCE, A COUPLE OF MY COLLEAGUES WENT TO OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY TO ASK STUDENTS.

THEY FOUND PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK IT THROUGH.

EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, IF YOU GO TO GO VOTE, THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT MAKES IT CLEAR WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON.

>> EVEN IN THE POLL YOU REFERENCED, MIKE, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF WOMEN'S VIEWS SHIFTING ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE.

EASY FOR MIKE TO SIT HERE AND CLAIM THAT IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL FOR 24 MORE MONTHS OF CONFUSION WITH A SUPREME COURT WHERE WE KNOW HOW IT IS GOING TO RULE.

IF YOU ARE A WOMAN FACING THE STEPS OF REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH DECISIONS, HAVING THE POWER IN SOMEONE ELSE'S HANDS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM AND I THINK WE WILL SEE THIS IN THE VOTE.

>> OHIO COULD BE THE 24 STATE IN THE COUNTRY TO LEGALIZE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA FOR ADULTS.

AND STATE LAWMAKERS ALLOWED THE LAW TO TAKE EFFECT, UNLIKE ISSUE ONE, ISSUE TWO IS NOT AN AMENDMENT.

IT WOULD BE A VOTER APPROVED STATE LAW AND STATE LAWS CAN BE CHANGED WITH A SIMPLE VOTE OF THE LEGISLATURE AND THE SIGNATURE OF THE GOVERNOR.

THE FINAL MESSAGES OF THE CAMPAIGNS ARE SIMPLE.

THE YES SIDE SAYS OHIO SHOULD GET THE MARIJUANA TAX MONEY NOW GOING TO MICHIGAN.

THE NO SIDE IS OUT WITH A NEW AD THAT SAYS THE TAX PROPOSAL IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH AND IT CONTENDS CONVICTED DRUG DEALERS WILL GET HELP SETTING UP MARIJUANA BUSINESSES.

FACT CHECKING THAT, THE LAW WOULD GIVE REFERENCE AND GRANTS TO PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN MARIJUANA OFFENSES IN THE PAST BUT IT MAKES NO MENTION OF DEALING OTHER DRUGS.

DOES THAT OPEN UP THE CRITICISM, THE FACT THAT THIS LOAN IS DESIGNED TO HELP FOLKS THEY CLAIM WERE UNFAIRLY PROSECUTED FOR MARIJUANA OFFENSES IN THE PAST?

>> NO.

I MEAN, WHAT THIS LAW IS A DUMB THING TO DO IS RIGHT SOME WRONGS FROM THE PAST WHERE WE THROUGH RESEARCH, WE ARE NOT BREAKING GROUND FROM A RESEARCH PERSPECTIVE.

THIS IS ALL KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN DISPROPORTIONATE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR DRUG LAWS, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO MARIJUANA.

THIS IS A WRONG WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE RIGHT WITH THIS CHANGE AND HOW WE DO THINGS IN THE STATE OF OHIO.

GETTING BACK TO A COMPARISON HERE BETWEEN ISSUE ONE AND ISSUE TWO, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE ROAD WITH ISSUE TWO, THIS WILL GO BACK TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OTHER CHANGES IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT.

VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE STAND ON ABORTION.

WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE, WHERE THEY STAND, WE GOT THE SO-CALLED HEARTBEAT BILL.

A DIFFERENT SITUATION WITH MARIJUANA AND THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE ROAD IN DECIDING HOW WE ARE GOING TO FORMALLY MAKE THESE TYPES OF CHANGES HERE.

>> MIKE, THIS IS NOT CUT ALONG PARTY LINES AS CLEARLY AS OTHERS, PERHAPS THE ABORTION ISSUE.

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE LIBERTARIAN, LET'S LEGALIZE IT, GET THE TAX MONEY, NO BIG DEAL.

SOMETIMES IN URBAN AREAS, OLDER FOLKS WHO VOTE DEMOCRAT SAY I WANT ANY PART OF THIS.

>> IT IS A MIXED BAG, MIKE, IT'S AN UNINSPIRING CAMPAIGN.

ISSUE ONE HAS TAKEN THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WITH THE SKYROCKETING FENTANYL DEATHS, OXYCONTIN, WE STARTED DEALING WITH SYNDROME, OPIOID ABUSE, I, I THINK IT IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR OHIOANS TO SAY LET'S JUST LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

IF IT DOES, THE SPEAKER AND SENATE PRESIDENT HAVE ALREADY SEND SMOKE SIGNALS, NOPE UNINTENDED THAT THEY WILL ADDRESS IT POSTELECTION IF IT IS A CLOSE RACE.

>> EIGHT IS THE DECIDING FACTOR OF THIS.

IF THERE IS YOUNG TURNOUT, IT WILL DO MUCH BETTER?

>> THE POLLING IS BASICALLY LAYING OUT A CLEAR GENERATIONAL DIVIDE.

IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TOO IF YOU THINK ABOUT MAYBE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW, PEOPLE I TALKED TO, PEOPLE YOU MIGHT KNOW.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY GENERIC THING BUT I LIKE TO SAY IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO TURN OUT AND WHO SHOWS UP.

>> ESPECIALLY AN AUDIO YOUNG PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THIS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS ELECTION?

>> HAVING THE COMBINATION OF ISSUE ONE AND REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM ON THE PALLET AS WELL AS MARIJUANA, IT WILL BE HELPFUL IN DESCRIBING, DRIVING THE TURNOUT, GETTING DIFFERENT POPULATIONS TO SHOW UP.

EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW ONE OR THE OTHER WHEN THEY GOT THERE, THEY MIGHT BE MORE INCLINED BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE THAT YOUNGER VOTERS WILL VOTE YES FOR BOTH.

>> YOU LOOK AT THE FINAL MESSAGES OF THE CAMPAIGN, YOU FIGURE, MIKE, WHAT THE OPPONENTS THINK WILL WORK THE BEST WITH THE LAST BIT OF UNDECIDEDS.

WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT TAX DOLLARS ARE GOING NORTH, IS THIS JUST, EVEN FOLKS WHO ARE MAYBE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LEGALIZING MARIJUANA, THEY PERHAPS ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LEGALIZING CASINOS AND SAY LOOK, I KNOW ABOUT THIS, IT'S A LITTLE FISHY BUT I WANT MY TAX >> THERE WAS A STRONG CONNECTION WITH THE CASINO ISSUE BACK IN THE DAY BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD GO GAMBLE IN VEGAS OR A FEW OTHER PLACES YOU COULD BACK THEN.

WHY AM I HAVING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

THE AVERAGE PURPOSE VOTER DOESN'T SMOKE POT.

IT MIGHT BE A FREEDOM ISSUE IF THEY EVER WANTED TO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONNECTION OF TAX DOLLARS GOING TO MICHIGAN OR WHEREVER ELSE IS A BIT OF INFECTED THE AVERAGE FAMILY SAYS I WANT MY KIDS GETTING ON THE SCHOOL BUS AND GETTING HIT BY SOMEONE THAT IS HIGH DRIVING DOWN THE STREET.

THAT IS A MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE NO.

>> IT IS IMPORTANT WE CONTINUE TO GO BACK TO THE RESEARCH AND THE FACTS AND THERE IS NO RESEARCH SUPPORTING THAT YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS BECAUSE OF LEGALIZING THINGS LIKE MARIJUANA.

IN FACT, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF DANGER ON OUR ROADS IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT IS NOT LEGALIZED.

THERE IS NO DATA THAT SUPPORTS THAT THIS IS A SO-CALLED GATEWAY DRUG THAT WILL LEAD TO FURTHER DRUG ABUSE OR HARDER DRUGS.

BUT WE KNOW NOW WITH THE STATUS QUO OF NOT ALLOWING MARIJUANA TO BE LEGALIZED IS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY BEING INCARCERATED AND HAVING A LONG FORCE AGAINST THEM BECAUSE OF THIS AND THAT WE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PROPERLY REGULATE DRUG USE AND IT IS PUTTING OUR CHILDREN ACROSS OHIO IN HARMS WAY.

>> CURRENTLY, MARIJUANA IS LARGELY DECRIMINALIZED HERE.

IN THE PAST, THAT WAS THE CASE.

ANDREW, WHAT ARE LAWMAKERS LOOKING AT AS FAR AS MARGIN OF VICTORY IF ISSUE TWO WERE TO PASS IS THERE A NUMBER THEY ARE SAYING IF THEY WIN 60-40, WE ARE NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT, IF IT'S 55-45, MAYBE A LITTLE, 51- 49, WE THROW IT OUT, IS THERE A NUMBER THEY ARE LOOKING AT?

>> THE WAY YOU LAID IT OUT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

THEY WILL LOOK TO SEE HOW RESOUNDING THE VICTORY IS , IF IT DOES IN FACT WENT TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT.

I GUESS THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TO LOOK AT WOULD BE THE SOURCE OF THE TAX REVENUE, WHERE IT WOULD GO, THE LEVEL IT WOULD BE TAXED AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ALSO, IF I SAID WHAT THE LEGISLATURE WAS TO BE DOING, IT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN I DO.

>> IT IS ALONG LAW.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD ANTICIPATE THE LAWMAKERS WILL DO SOMETHING WITH IT IF IT PASSES JUST BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE BILL.

I'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE, LOOK, IF YOU SUPPORT THE PRINCIPLES OF WHAT THIS ISSUE IS SAYING, YOU SHOULD VOTE YES.

AND, IT WILL BE A LONG JOURNEY UNTIL IT ULTIMATELY ENDS UP BEING THE FINAL SAY IN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> LAWMAKERS REALLY COULD, THEY HAVE MAJORITIES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE, THE GOVERNOR WOULD PROBABLY GO ALONG WITH IT, DEPENDING ON THE MARGIN, WHAT IS THE NUMBER LAWMAKERS ARE LOOKING AT?

>> IT'S HARD TO TELL.

EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE, WEARING DIFFERENT COLORED GLASSES.

IF IT'S WITHIN THE REALM OF REASONABLENESS, UNDER 55% PASSAGE.

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT GUARDRAILS UP, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE TAXES ARE FAIR AND ACCURATE.

AND, I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO JUST STRIKE IT DOWN IN TOTAL.

I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO PUT SOME STRONG GUARDRAILS AROUND IT.

>> THIS IS AN UNUSUAL ODD YEAR ELECTION.

TWO STATEWIDE ISSUES DURING THE REGULAR BASIS FOR MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE ASKING FOR HIGHER TAXES AMID RISING PROPERTY VALUES AND HIGHER PRICES FOR GROCERIES AND GAS.

SCHOOL BOARD RACES ARE MORE PARTISAN, FILLED WITH CULTURE WAR BATTLES ON OCCASION.

JUST OVER THE HORIZON IS WHAT LIKELY WILL BE A PRESIDENTIAL RACE, JUST AS DIVISIVE AS THE POSSIBLE.

ANDREW TOBIAS, WHAT IS THE MOOD OF THE VOTER HERE, IS ISSUE ONE DRIVING FOLKS OUT TO THE POLLS ON THIS ONE MORE THAN SCHOOL LEVIES?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT, SPECIFICALLY WITH MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS, YOU HAVE A LOW TURNOUT ENVIRONMENT.

IN THOSE CASES, THINGS LIKE PARTY ENDORSEMENTS, INCUMBENCY REALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY CONTROL THE LEVERS OF TURNOUT IN A WAY.

WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE ISSUE ONE DRIVING TURNOUT, IT BECOMES MORE UNPREDICTABLE.

WE WILL SEE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN EVERY INCUMBENT IS GOING TO LOSE.

IF I WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD BE A FRIEND THAN A NORMAL YEAR.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE HAVE WEIRD OUTCOMES.

>> MUCH MORE PARTISAN THAN NORMALLY THESE ELECTIONS ARE.

CURRENTLY, THEY ARE ALL NONPARTISAN.

WE KNOW THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC SLATE FOR CANDIDATES IN COLUMBUS, FOR EXAMPLE.

THIS SEEMS TO BE MORE PARTISAN THAN MOST AUDIO ELECTIONS.

>> EXACTLY, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW POLARIZED PEOPLE ARE ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION, CERTAINLY WITH CLIMATE.

>> MORGAN, INFLATION IS HIGH, NOT AS HIGH AS IT WAS BUT IT IS STILL HIGH.

PROPERTY VALUATIONS ARE GOING UP, PEOPLE LIKELY WILL BE PAYING MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.

WHAT IMPACT WILL THAT HAVE ON SCHOOL LEVIES?

PEOPLE MIGHT LOOK AT THAT AND SAY I WANT TO PAY ANYMORE.

>> THE REQUEST AND ANYONE SUPPORTING A SCHOOL LEVY.

WE HAVE ONE BIG ONE IN OLYMPUS RIGHT NOW, ISSUE 11.

IT IS HARD TO BE OPTIMISTIC WITH THE OTHER FACTORS GOING ON WITH THE COST OF LIVING, WHETHER OR NOT TAXPAYERS WILL BE WILLING TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL BURDENS HERE.

BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT THE COLUMBUS SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE KNOW THAT THESE FUNDS ARE NEEDED TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON AND KEEP OUR SCHOOLS OPERATIONAL AND WE NEED TO SAVE HER FOR ANOTHER DAY BUT NOT A DAY TOO FAR OFF.

SOME OF THE LARGER ISSUES HAVE HOW WE ARE MANAGING THE DISTRICT TO GET TO THAT OUTCOME.

CENTS IN VALUE, THAT COMES OUT TO BE $1000 A PERCENT A YEAR.

DID THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PICKED THAT BASED ON WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE DISTRICT OR WHAT THEY THINK VOTERS WILL APPROVE?

>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

I WOULD LOVE TO FIND THAT OUT.

WHAT IS NONPARTISAN IN THIS ELECTION IS VOTERS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED.

CAN'T AFFORD TO LISTEN FOR GLYNN COUNTY, WHETHER YOU ARE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, WHATEVER YOUR ZIP CODE IS, IT IS TO DO AN EXTENSIVE.

WE'VE GOT SCHOOL LEVIES, WE'VE GOT LIBRARY LEVIES.

THAT'S JUST THIS YEAR.

NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE THIS LEVY AND THAT LEVY.

WE CAN'T AFFORD OUR HOMES BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY TAXES, THE COST OF GAS, FOOD, FUEL.

WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THEY WILL BE A RESOUNDING NO VOTE ACROSS THE BOARD ON EVERYTHING AS IT RELATES TO FINANCIAL ISSUES FOR OUR SCHOOLS, WHETHER YOU LIVE IN DUBLIN OR COLUMBUS, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

PEOPLE JUST SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD WE ALL GOT THE LETTER, OUR PROPERTY TAXES, AS YOU SAID, ARE GOING UP.

NOW THE SCHOOLS WANT EVEN MORE, CAN'T DO IT, CAN'T AFFORD IT.

>> THE COUNTY AUDITOR IN FOR GLYNN COUNTY.

THE MAIN PRIMARY, SCHOOL LEVIES DID NOT DO THAT WELL, 21% PASSAGE RATE.

YOU HAD HIGH INFLATION.

>> OF COURSE, ALSO, I LIKE TO FOLLOW REDFIN, WHICH TRACKS THE VALUE OF MY HOME.

I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO BASICALLY BUY MY HOUSE, WHICH I BOUGHT BEFORE THE PRICES WENT UP BEFORE THE INTEREST RATES WENT UP.

IT WAS LIKE TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT I PAID.

THERE IS DEFINITELY A CONCERN.

PEOPLE BASICALLY HAVE TO, THEY ADD THEIR BUILDS UP, THEY HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

>> YOU COULD SELL IT AND MAKE A TON OF MONEY.

>> THEN I WOULD MOVE BACK IN WITH MY PARENTS.

>> CULTURE WARS, WE SAW A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO WITH SCHOOL BOARD RACES.

THIS YEAR, THEY SEEM TO BE MORE PREVALENT.

WE HAVE SAVE OUR SCHOOLS ENDORSING CANDIDATES, WE HAVE THE MOMS FOR LIBERTY.

THE PARENTS WRITES, MORGAN, IS A REAL ISSUE HERE .

IS THAT TO BE EXPECTED BASED ON PERHAPS THE BEHAVIOR OF SCHOOL BOARDS IN THE PAST NOT LISTENING TO PARENTS AS MUCH OR ALL PARENTS?

>> WE HAVE CERTAIN FOLKS WHO ARE EXTREMELY WELL-FUNDED TO SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO DRIVE OUTCOMES AT A MICRO LEVEL IN THE SCHOOL BOARD RACES TO PERFECT THEIR VALUE SET BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE VALUE SET AND SYSTEM OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE DISTRICTS.

I TALKED TO A LOT OF PARENTS WHO ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THESE BONDS FOR LIBERTY, FOR A TABLE, BACKED CANDIDATES SAYING THEY WOULD OPENLY AND WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDENTS PUBLICLY.

IT IS REALLY DISTURBING.

I HOPE THAT FOLKS ARE ABLE TO WEAVE THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS TO ULTIMATELY HAVE SCHOOL BOARDS THAT ARE NURTURING COMMUNITY, NOT TRYING TO ALIENATE PEOPLE.

>> IS THIS HEALTHY FOR THE SCHOOL POLITICS AND THE DEMONSTRATION OF SCHOOLS, MIKE, TO HAVE THE DIVISIVENESS?

>> I KNOW, DIVISIVENESS IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.

ABILITY IS IMPORTANT.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE ELECTIONS, THAT IS WHEN PEOPLE RUN FOR OFFICE.

IF YOU ARE DOING YOUR JOB AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, YOU WILL GET REELECTED.

WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO BE A SCHOOL BOARD, THAT PAYS 4000 A YEAR, NO HEALTH CARE AND OUR PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE THE DAY YOU GET SWORN IN, I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT THAT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU ARE DOING A GOOD JOB, RECOVERS OF THE SCHOOL YOU ARE IN, YOU WILL GET REELECTED.

IF YOU ARE NOT, THE VOTERS WILL PICK SOMEBODY ELSE.

>> OKAY, FIRST, I THINK HOPEFULLY PEOPLE ARE RUNNING FOR SCHOOL BOARD BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT CHILDREN AND CARE ABOUT MEGAN SURE OUR SCHOOLS ARE PRODUCING GREAT KIDS AND WE KNOW THAT MONEY CAN DISTORT ELECTIONS.

HAVING OUTSIDE GROUPS SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY CAN HAVE REALLY BAD, NOT REFLECTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

>> TEACHERS UNIONS SPEND, THEY HAVE BEEN MAJOR PLAYERS IN SCHOOL BOARD RACES.

IS THIS NOT JUST LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD?

>> I WOULD SAY THE VIEW OF TEACHERS BEING EXPRESSED IN DISTRICTS ACTIVELY PART OF THE BIDDING IN THE DISTRICT IS VERY DISTINCT FROM OUTSIDE GROUPS THAT MAYBE HAVE LESS PARTICULAR VIEWS TRIED TO INFLUENCE HOW OUR SCHOOLS ARE RUN.

TRY TO GET BACK TO AN EARLIER PART OF OUR CONVERSATION, WHY ARE WE IN THIS MESS OF HAVING THESE LEVIES?

WE ARE STILL HAVING PUBLIC SCHOOLS FUNDED BY PROPERTY TAXES.

>> THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS ADJUSTED THE FORMULA TO TRY TO >> IS STILL THE MAJORITY OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM IS FROM OUR PROPERTY TAX.

THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

IT'S BEEN A BURDEN ON US AS INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING OUR STATE LEGISLATURE ADDRESS AND IT IS REALLY BENEFITING SCHOOLS THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC, THAT ARE NOT OPEN TO ALL OF OUR STUDENTS AND HELPING TO BUILD COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF PUTTING PEOPLE IN THEIR BOX.

>> LET'S GET THE FINAL TOPIC.

SIX YEARS AGO, OHIO VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT DESIGNED TO PROTECT CRIME VICTIMS.

THE SO-CALLED MURPHY'S LAW ALLOWS AUTHORITIES TO KEEP SECRET THE NAMES OF CRIME VICTIMS AND NOTIFY THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CASE.

RECENTLY, POLICE AGENCIES HAVE BEEN USING THE LAW TO HIDE THE NAMES OF OFFICERS INVOLVED IN CONFRONTATIONS WHILE ON THE JOB.

A RECENT EXAMPLE INVOLVES THE LONDON TOWNSHIP OFFICERS PRESENT WHEN ONE OF THE OFFICERS FATALLY SHOT A PREGNANT WOMAN.

THEY CLAIM BOTH OFFICERS ARE VICTIMS OF CRIME.

OPPONENTS SAY THIS IS NOT THE VOTER'S INTENT WHEN THEY VOTED FOR IT A FEW YEARS AGO.

ANDREW TOBIAS, WHEN THIS WAS PITCHED TO VOTERS, WERE POLICE EVER MENTIONED IN THE ARGUMENTS FOR IT?

>> IS INTERESTING.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FIRST, THIS IS APPROVED IN 2017, IT WAS A WELL-FUNDED CAMPAIGN, $10 MILLION BEHIND IT.

THERE WASN'T A LOT OF NEWS COVERAGE, IT FLEW UNDER THE RADAR.

NO, THIS ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP.

IT WAS THE YEAR AFTER, IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THIS POLICE ISSUE STARTED FORMING AND YOU SAW THAT BROADER DEBATE HAPPEN.

SOMETHING I WILL SAY TO MAKE IS THE LEGISLATURE PASSED A BILL THAT BASICALLY ENUMERATED MARCY'S LAW THAT CREATED THIS EXCEPTION AND MADE IT CLEAR THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE THE OPTION, WHICH LEVEL REQUESTED, TO HAVE THEIR IDENTITIES REDACTED FROM INCIDENT REPORTS.

I DON'T RECALL THIS PART OF THE DEBATE, NOT, EVEN DURING THE LEGISLATIVE ASPECT OF THIS.

IT IS FLYING UNDER THE RADAR AND IT IS INTERESTING HOW IT TURNED OUT.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE ANTICIPATED IT, NOT THIS WAY.

>> MIKE, IS THE POLICE OFFICER PERFORMING HIS OR HER DUTY, SHOULD THEY BE AUTOMATICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A VICTIM OF A CRIME?

>> THAT IS WHAT THE VOTERS VOTED FOR IN 2017.

I'VE BEEN SAYING WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTION, WE NEED TO STOP DOING LEGISLATION THROUGH OUR CONSTITUTION BECAUSE WE GET UNATTENDED CONFIDENCES LIKE THIS.

>> WE CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE YOU ARE A VICTIM AND YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM OF THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR.

UNFORTUNATELY, I AGREE, THIS IS A LOOPHOLE.

IF WE HAVE ISSUES LIKE ISSUE ONE RIGHT NOW THAT IS WRITTEN SO BROADLY YOU COULD RUN A DUMP TRUCK THROUGH IT, THIS IS THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THE BED.

THE COURT IS NOT GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE IF THEY GET TO THE OHIO SUPREME COURT AND SAY COPS, YOU'RE NOT A VICTIM, YOU ARE A VICTIM, IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

>> CAN GO BACK TO THE INTENT OF THE VOTER.

IN THIS CASE, THE LONDON TOWNSHIP CASE, CLEARLY, THE OFFICERS, THEY CLAIM TO BE HARASSED.

THERE WERE POSTERS POSTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ONE OF THE OFFICERS MOM WAS CONFRONTED BY SOMEBODY.

SO, EVEN THOUGH THE NAMES HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED PUBLICLY BY THE AGENCY, PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THEY FACE HARASSMENT.

SHOULD THAT BE ALLOWED?

>> WELL FOR PEOPLE.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT ARE CURRENT EMPLOYEES THAT ARE RECEIVING PUBLIC FUNDS.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTENTION FROM AN AVERAGE PERSON WHO MAY BE A VICTIM OR ALLEGED THAT THE BENEFIT, OF A CRIME IN TERMS OF HOW WE THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

SO, EVEN THE PERSON WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUSHING MARCY'S LAW HAS SAID THIS WAS NOT THE INTENT, WE NEVER ANTICIPATED THAT OFFICERS WOULD BE ABLE TO IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFY AS VICTIMS AND THEREFORE SHIELD ANY TRANSPARENCY FROM THE PUBLIC .

WHEN WE HAVE THE DISPATCH, THE NEWSPAPERS THAT AREN'T ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO CERTAIN INFORMATION TO REPORT OUT ON THE USE OF GOVERNMENT FUNDS, GOVERNMENT PROCEDURES, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK VERY SERIOUSLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS LONG IS BEING SERVED AS INTENDED.

>> ANDREW, THE DISPATCH HAS FILED A COMPLAINT, THEN THIS IS AN OVERUSE WITH THE SUPREME COURT.

>> I GUESS WE WILL SEE.

BUT I WANTED TO SAY IS THERE IS DEFINITELY A PUBLIC INTEREST IN KNOWING WHO THE OFFICERS ARE.

BUT GOT NATIONAL ATTENTION INVOLVING A YOUNG BOY WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE, TAMIR RICE.

REPORTING FROM THE OFFICER WHO SHOT HIM , THERE WERE ISSUES IN HIS PAST, THERE WERE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE CITY'S SCREENING OF HIM.

THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THESE OFFICERS ARE.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR OFF THE RECORD FINAL PARTING SHOTS.

MORGAN, UP FIRST.

>> WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GROCERY PRICES, KROGER ALBERTSON'S, THE BIG DEPARTURE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER WHETHER TO BLOCK THAT.

AS WE HEAD INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASON AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS NOT GOING TO RING PRICES DOWN, FURTHER CONSOLIDATION OF THE INDUSTRY IS SOMETHING TO LOOK OUT FOR.

>> MICHAEL, ABORTION IS LEGAL IN THE STATE OF OHIO, IT HAS BEEN, IT IS TODAY, AND IT WILL BE AFTER ELECTION DAY WHEN ISSUE ONE FAILS.

A VOTE NO ON ISSUE ONE WILL NOT BE ABORTION IS ILLEGAL, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE LEGAL, LET'S PROTECT PARENTAL RIGHTS AND NOT PUT LATE-TERM ABORTION IN THE CONSTITUTION.

>> THE HEARTBEAT LAW WILL BE DECIDED BY A CONSERVATIVE LOT COURT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

>> THE ELECTION WILL ALL COME DOWN TO TURN OUT.

WE WILL SEE.

>> ANY PREDICTORS ON TURNOUT?

>> WE WILL SEE WHAT IT IS.

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