>> HELLO AND THANKS FOR JOINING US ON CHICAGO TONIGHT.

I'M BRANDIS FRIEDMAN.

HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING REPAIRING HOMES AND COMBATING NEIGHBORHOOD DISINVESTMENT THROUGH THE ARTS.

HISTORY PAINTS A CONFLICTING PORTRAIT OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR, A DEFINITIVE NEW BOOK SEEKS TO CLARIFY THAT PICTURE.

>> HE HAD THE CAPACITY LOVE THOSE WHO HATED HIM.

>> AND FROM THE W T TW ARCHIVES, WE REVISIT REVEALING 1978 INTERVIEW WITH CORETTA SCOTT KING ABOUT HER HUSBAND'S HUMOR AND HUMANITY.

>> AND WE KICK THINGS OFF RIGHT AFTER THIS.

>> CHICAGO TONIGHT IS MADE POSSIBLE BY ALEXANDRA AND JOHN NICHOLS.

THE GYM AND K MAYBE FAMILY.

THE POPE BROTHERS FOUNDATION.

AND THE SUPPORT OF THESE DONORS.

>> IN THE 1950'S AND 60'S BLACK FAMILIES WERE FORCED TO PAY OFTEN DOUBLE OR MORE TO BUY A HOME IN WHAT WAS KNOWN AS CONTRACT BUYING AS A RESULT INSTEAD OF BURNING EQUITY IN PASSING DOWN GENERATIONAL WEALTH, BLACK HOMEOWNERS OFTEN LOST THEIR HOMES.

NOW A LOCAL ARTIST IS HIGHLIGHTING THOSE INJUSTICES BY WORKING TO REVITALIZE VACANT LOTS IN ENGLEWOOD.

IT'S PART OF HER LATEST PROJECT UNBLOCKED ENGLEWOOD AND JOINING US NOW, OUR ARTIST AND PHOTOGRAPHER TAMIKA LEWIS JOHNSON AND CARLA BRUNI PRES PRESERVATION AND RESILIENCY SPECIALIST AT THE CHICAGO BUNGALOW ASSOCIATION.

THANKS TO YOU BOTH AND WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TO TO MAKE A LET'S START WITH YOU, PLEASE.

WHERE DID THE IDEA FOR AN BLOCKED IN WOULD COME IDEA KIND OF EMERGE FROM A CHANCE MEETING WITH ONE OF THE.

>> A DESCENDANT OF THE ASPIRING BLACK HOMEOWNER COUPLE THAT WAS CONNECTED TO MY AN EQUITY FOR SALE PROJECT.

>> AND WHEN PUT UP THE LANDMARK IN FRONT OF A HOME, THAT'S WHEN I MET THEIR SIDE.

MISTER MELVIN LAWSUIT IS IN OLDER BLACK HOMEOWNER THAT IS STRUGGLING TO GET HOME REPAIRS AND HE INTRODUCED ME TO OTHER RESIDENTS ON THE BLOCK AND THEY ALL HAD THE SAME STORY.

AND THAT'S WHEN THE IDEA TOO USE OUR TO DO A TANGIBLE SOLUTION FOR THE ISSUES THEY WERE FACING CAME ABOUT.

>> A CAR LOAN BECAUSE I WANT TO GET INTO IT.

GET INTO THAT MORE.

OF COURSE, CARLA, WHAT IS THE CHICAGO BUNGALOW ASSOCIATIONS ROLE IN THIS PROJECT?

>> ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE PARTNERED WITH TAMIKA ON THIS PROJECT.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK AROUND WEATHERIZATION AND REPAIR AND SO BECAUSE WELL AWARE OF THAT AND WANTED TO COME TOGETHER WITH US SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF SORT OF THE.

THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE.

YOU CAN START THINKING ABOUT ANY SORT OF UNIFICATION OR WHATEVER, JUST GETTING THINGS BACK TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.

>> CARLA ME TO MAKE, OF COURSE, WE TALK ABOUT USING ART.

OF COURSE, YOU BEING AN ARTIST.

HOW TO HOW DO THESE 2 THINGS GO TOGETHER?

CARLA MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, MAKING FIXES IN REPAIRS BEFORE BEAUTIFYING.

WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO?

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF ARTS FUNDING HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S AMPLIFY HISTORIC ISSUES.

AND SO I REALLY WANTED TO COME BY THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OF THE ARTS WITH ACTUALLY SOLVING THE ISSUES THAT ARE ITS FUNDERS ARE ENCOURAGING ARTISTS TO CREATE WORK AROUND.

SO BE ON SCULPTURES, MURALS GARDENS.

I WANTED TO TAKE THIS AS OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY SOLVED AND USING THE HOMES AS A FORM OF SCULPTURE AS A FORM OF ART BEFORE YOU CAN BEAUTIFY A HOME AND HAVE A COLLECTION OF HOMES AND ARTISTIC ACTIVATION AND A BLOCK YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TANGIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS REPAIR.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO WITH A BLACK HANDLE.

YOUR LAST PROJECT, WE TALKED ABOUT INEQUITY FOR SALE AND PINPOINTED HOMES AS YOU SAID THAT WERE SOLD UNDER LAND SALE.

CONTRACT.

HOW HAS THAT PROCESS OR HOW DID THAT LEAD TO THE LACK OF EQUITY FOR HOMEOWNERS IN ENGLEWOOD ALONE, FOR EXAMPLE.

SO WHAT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ASPIRING BLACK HOMEOWNERS IN THE 50'S AND IT DID NOT THEM EQUITY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HAD BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ON THEIR HOME.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE A MORTGAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A HISTORIC ISSUE.

THAT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYBODY TODAY.

BUT THROUGH THE STORY OF MELVIN WAS ONE OF THE ACTUALLY RESIDENTS ON THE BLOCK TODAY.

HE REPRESENTS SO MANY OF US ENGLEWOOD BECAUSE OF THE DEVALUATION OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH THIS HISTORIC 20 PRACTICE, YOU FOR TO GET HOME REPAIR LAWS BECAUSE YOUR HOME IS IT'S NOT WORTH ENOUGH TO GET ALONG OR, YOU DES DEVALUATION IN GENERAL PREVENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOMEOWNERS TO REPAIR.

AND SO THAT'S HOW IT IMPACTS BLACK HOMEOWNERS TODAY IN THIS PROJECT IS KIND OF LIKE A SYMBOL OF WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS OUTSIDE OF SOME FORMAL COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY.

CARLA, WHAT REPAIRS AND WORK HAD BEEN DONE THROUGHOUT THE BLOC SO FAR?

YES, SO WE'VE BEEN QUITE A WE'VE FINISHED 14 BUILDINGS NOW ON THE >> AND I THINK ABOUT 12 TO GO NEXT YEAR.

BUT WE'VE DONE WE'VE PUT A LOT OF NEW ROUTES ON FIX DRYWALL CEILINGS.

BROKEN PIPES, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE FOUND IN MALLS.

AS A RESULT, ONCE THOSE ARE ALSO TAKING CARE OF, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND WEATHERIZE A HOME TO.

SO THEY'RE ALSO INSULATED THERE.

MUCH WARMER NOW IN THE WINTER.

I'M TAKING CARE OF ANYTHING THAT CAN HELP PEOPLE KIND OF GET THROUGH THE SEASON'S BETTER AS WELL.

>> TO MAKING YOU JUST MENTIONED BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROJECT IS BEING ABLE TO FIND SOLUTIONS.

AND YOU KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THAT THE CYCLE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE AND WITH REGARDS TO NOT BEING ABLE TO GET A REPAIR ALONE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALREADY SO INVESTED DISINVESTED AND IT'S ALREADY FALLEN SO FAR INTO DISREPAIR.

TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT KIND OF THE TROUBLE THAT FOLKS HAVE.

WHAT THIS BLOCK IN PARTICULAR REPRESENTS THE STRUGGLES OF SO MANY, NOT ONLY INGLEWOOD BUT ANOTHER BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THESE HISTORIC DISCRIMINATORY HOUSING PRACTICES.

>> IS THAT YOU 4 TO UP, KEEP YOUR HOME.

AND IF YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO FUND REPAIRS.

SOMETIMES IT DEPLETES YOUR ACTUAL SAVINGS.

AND SO IT REALLY CONTRIBUTES TO THIS ONGOING RACIAL WITH WEALTH GAP.

AND SO THIS PROJECT IS HOPING TO NOT ONLY AMPLIFY HOW SOLUTIONS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVELY.

BUT REALLY HOW INVESTING IN ACTUAL BLACK HOMEOWNERS IS GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE CITY BECAUSE IN ORDER TO CREATE MORE BLACK HOMEOWNERS, YOU REALLY HAVE TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING BLACK HOMEOWNERS.

CARLA, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU HEAR FROM HOMEOWNERS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP THEIR HOMES IT'S JUST REALLY COST AND AND ALSO JUST THE ENERGY BURDEN ON TOP OF THAT.

SO IF YOU HAVE, >> YOU KNOW, A LEAKY YOU KNOW, ANY TIME YOU'RE TRYING TO HEAT OR COOL YOUR HOME, IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A HECK OF A LOT MORE RIGHT?

SO IT'S JUST EVERYTHING SEEMS TO COMPOUND.

AND THEN THE LONGER THESE REPAIRS GO, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT BEING TAKEN CARE OF, EVERYTHING JUST GETS EXPONENTIALLY WORSE OVER TIME.

IT CAN JUST BE REALLY OVERWHELMING FOR PEOPLE.

SEEMS CYCLICAL.

YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HAPPENING.

>> KARL, WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD?

RESIDENTS SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE REALLY GET THIS FUN.

WELL, NOT ONLY ARE THEY INTERESTED IN HAVING THE STRUCTURAL REPAIRS THAT CHICAGO BOUND ASSOCIATION IS HELPING THEM RECEIVED.

BUT BEYOND THAT, THEY BEAUTIFICATION TO THE EXTERIOR >> OF THEIR HOMES.

THEY WANT THEIR PORCHES TO ACTUALLY MAINTAINED AND THEY WANT THE VACANT LOTS ON THE BLOCK TO CONSIST OF HEALING SPACES, PLACES FOR THEM TO SEE IT BECAUSE THE BLACK ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF OLDER HOMEOWNERS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO, HEY, OUT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY WANT TO BEAUTIFUL SPACE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE EAGLE ARTS COLLECTIVE TO HELP REALLY BRIGHTEN UP THE BLOCK OUTSIDE OF THE ADDITIONAL HOME REPAIRS COSMETIC REPAIRS THAT THEY WANT TO THEIR HOUSE.

>> YOU'VE ALSO GOT RESEARCHERS STUDYING THIS.

WHAT ARE WHAT ARE WE HOPING THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO TELL US?

>> OH, YES, WE ARE WORKING WITH AN AMAZING RESEARCHER.

AMBER HENDLEY, AND SHE'S ACTUALLY THE LEAD RESEARCHER OF THE REPORT.

THE MINE EQUITY FOR SALE PROJECT WAS BORN OUT OF AND SHE'S HELPING US KIND OF QUANTIFY THE IMPACT.

THIS PROJECT WITH THE HOPES OF IT BEING AN EXAMPLE OF HOW CAN BE REPLICATED AND THE CREATIVE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN FUND SOLUTIONS LIKE THIS.

SO SHE'S HELPING US GET THE NUMBERS AND ALL OF THAT TOGETHER SO WE CAN PRESENT IT AS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REPLICATED AS A CROSS-SECTOR COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY ARTS ORGANIZATION, RESIDENTS AND AMAZING NONPROFITS LIKE CVA CRONE GOING TO MY NEXT QUESTION, DO YOU THINK WILL BE ABLE TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING ON OTHER COMPLETE BLOCKS?

>> THAT'S YEAH.

WE'RE LEARNING A LOT WITH THIS >> AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY TALKING TO HOMEOWNERS DAILY ABOUT EVERYTHING GOING ON.

HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS AS WELL.

I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK AND SO, YEAH, WE REALLY I MEAN, WE FEEL LIKE OR THIS IS A BIT OF A PIONEERING PROJECT WAS UNIQUE PARTNERSHIPS.

AND MEAN, THAT'S DEFINITELY THE HOPE.

AND YOU NEED UNIQUE WAY OF APPROACHING OF APPROACHING THE PROBLEM BY BY GOING THROUGH ARTS FUNDING WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM BOTH OF YOU AGAIN, AS THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH ITS ABLE TO EXPAND TO NICHOLAS JOHNSON AND CARLA BYRNE, THANKS TO YOU BOTH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH US.

>> MOST SCHOOLS, BANKS AND PUBLIC OFFICES WERE CLOSED TODAY IN HONOR OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR DAY.

AND THIS YEAR, THE FEDERAL HOLIDAY FALLS ON KING'S ACTUAL BIRTHDAY.

>> IN THE 55 YEARS SINCE HIS DEATH, KING IS OFTEN QUOTED AND REVERED ICON HIMSELF.

BUT IN HIS NEW BOOK, KING, A LIFE OFFER.

JONATHAN, I DRAWS KING IS, QUOTE, AND NOT A SAINT, NOT A SYMBOL DELIVERING FAR MORE NUANCED AND HISTORY HAS ALLOWED.

WE RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH ICANN BEGAN BY ASKING HIM WHAT HE WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH HIS BOOK ON THE OFTEN WRITTEN ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST.

>> I WANT TO WRITE A MORE INTIMATE PORTRAIT, BUT ALSO ONE THAT RESTORED HIS TRUE RADICAL NATURE.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE 60 YEARS SINCE THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON AND THEN THE 55 YEARS SINCE HIS DEATH IS THAT WE'VE TURNED HIM INTO A NATIONAL HOLIDAY AND A MONUMENT THINGS THAT HE DESERVES.

BUT IN THE PROCESS WE'VE WATER DOWN HIS MESSAGE AND WE FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS HUMAN.

WE FORGOTTEN THE STRUGGLE THAT HE HAD DOUBTS THAT HE SUFFERED, THAT YOU KNOW, MOMENTS OF OF UNCERTAINTY.

AND I WANTED TO WRITE A BOOK THAT MADE HIM FEEL MORE REALLY DOUBLE.

>> THE BOOK INCLUDES DETAILS FROM AN OR WRITTEN BY HIS FATHER.

OBVIOUSLY HUGELY INFLUENTIAL IN EMAILS LIFE AS HE WAS CALLED AS A KID.

WHAT DID YOU LEARN ABOUT THE KIND OF FATHER THAT DADDY KING AS HE WAS THE KIND OF FATHER THAT HE WAS AND HOW THAT WOULD INFLUENCE A MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR AS AN ADULT.

>> BANKING WAS A TOUGH GUY.

HE WALKED OFF THE FARM.

HE WAS BORN INTO A SHARE CROPPING FAMILY IN STOCKBRIDGE, GEORGIA, AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, WALKED OFF THE FARM WITH HIS SHOES, TIED TOGETHER AND SLUNG OVER HIS SHOULDER SO HE WOULDN'T WEAR WALKING BAREFOOT TOWARD ATLANTA WHERE HE BASICALLY REINVENTED HIMSELF AND NOT ONLY BECAME NOT ENTITLED TO READ WHAT BECAME A PASTOR AND AND TOOK OVER AT KNEES ARE BAPTIST CHURCH.

BUT HE ALSO MADE IT POSSIBLE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR TO BE WHO HE WAS LITERALLY RENAMED HIM.

THEY WERE BOTH BORN MICHAEL KING.

SO RENAMES THEMSELVES RENAMES A SON AND CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE HIS SON CAN ACTUALLY DREAM OF ACCOMPLISHING THE KINDS OF CHANGES THAT A PREVIOUS GENERATION REALLY COULD ONLY DREAM ABOUT.

>> AND WE KIND OF SEE THROUGHOUT THE BOOK AS WELL.

THERE ARE TIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU WONDER IF IF IN MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR WAS MAKING A DECISION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE NEED TO IMPRESS HIS FATHER OR WHERE THE KIND OF COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER AT SOME POINT IN SOME WAYS I LEARNED A LOT.

HE PLAGIARIZED IN HIS EARLY HAD A SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH A WHITE WOMAN BEFORE HE MET CORRECT SCOTT KING AND WHICH BLOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE AWAY, RIGHT?

BECAUSE AS LONG AS WE'VE KNOWN THEM, THEY'VE BEEN THE UNIT ARE OBVIOUSLY HE WAS AMBITIOUS AND CHARISMATIC.

BUT HE WAS ALSO RESISTANT TO ELEVATING THE ROLE OF WOMEN IN THE MOVEMENT.

HE HAD SOME EXTRA MARITAL AFFAIRS AND MAYBE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, RATE RELATIONSHIPS BEFORE MARRIAGE AS WELL.

HOW DID YOU SORT OF NAVIGATE THE DIFFERENT IMAGES OF MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR?

YOU SUMMED IT GOING ON THERE AND IT'S HARD.

HE LIVED ONLY 39 YEARS.

BUT IN THAT 39 YEARS, HE PACKED IN SO MUCH.

AND HE WAS A VERY COMPLICATED MAN.

>> HE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO REALLY DIDN'T LIKE CONFLICT.

HE'S ARGUING AS PROTEST LEADER AND DOESN'T LIKE CONFLICT.

AND I THINK SOME OF THAT COMES FROM HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS FATHER.

BUT YOU SEE IT WITH CORONA, TOO, BECAUSE CORONA WAS AN ACT OF THIS BEFORE THEY EVEN MET CREDIT, HAD MORE CREDENTIALS AS AN ACTIVIST THAN HE DID WHEN THEY MET.

AND YET, AS YOU POINTED OUT, HE WAS RESISTANT WHEN IT CAME TO LETTING HER GET INVOLVED IN THE MOVIE.

HE WANTED STAY HOME AND RAISE THE KIDS.

SO I JUST TRIED REALLY LEAN INTO ALL OF THAT COMPLEXITY AND NOT TRY TO SIMPLIFY THE MAN JUST LET THE READER DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT HIS, HIS WEAKNESSES, FLAWS AND HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, FIGURES IN HIS GREATNESS BECAUSE IT'S ALL TIED TOGETHER.

>> YOU ALSO ON SPEAKING OF CREDIT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THE FIRST BY GRAFFITI USE THE AUDIO TAPES OF CORRECT SCOTT HER RECOUNTING EVERYTHING FROM HER FIRST DAY TO FOR DOCTOR KING'S FUNERAL.

THAT SAID, I WANTED MORE CREDIT AND MAYBE I SHOULD GO READ HER BOOK TO WHAT KIND OF INFLUENCE WAS SHE IN HIS LIFE?

>> I LOVE CREDIT.

SHE'S SUCH A FASCINATING PERSON.

AND I THINK THAT THE REASON KINGS ATTRACTED TO HER IS BECAUSE SHE'S SO STRONG AND SHE'S SO OUTSPOKEN WHEN IT COMES TO ACTIVISM.

WHEN KING WINS THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, KARUNA SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREATER RESPONSIBILITY NOW, NOT YOU.

WE HAVE A GREATER RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK OUT ON ISSUES, BE ON CIVIL RIGHTS TO TALK ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.

TALK ABOUT ECO INCOME INEQUALITY AND POVERTY WAR.

AND IT'S CORRECT OR REALLY SOMETIMES LEADING THE WAY.

I THINK THAT SHE DESERVES A LOT MORE CREDIT THAN SHE OFTEN GETS >> YOU WRITE ABOUT HIS TIME, OF COURSE, PROTESTING SLUMS AND SEGREGATED HOUSING IN CHICAGO HIS WORK WITH LOCAL LEADERS, ORGANIZING WITH TIM UAL BLACK, CHICAGO WHO WAS AT FIRST DOUBTFUL OF KING IN HIS UNDERSTANDING OF CHICAGO'S COMPLICATED POLITICS.

HERE IS A CLIP OF HIM SPEAKING ON HIS TIME HERE.

>> IT.

>> CALLING CHICAGO THE MOB THAT HE SAW THAT DAY IN MARQUETTE PARK IN CHICAGO.

MORE HATE FEELS AND WHAT HE HAD SEEN ACROSS THE JIM CROW SOUTH.

WHAT HE LEARNED FROM HIS TIME IN CHICAGO.

>> WELL, HE WAS TOLD BY MANY OF HIS CLOSEST ASSOCIATES NOT TO COME HERE THAT HE THOUGHT THEY THOUGHT THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS GETTING INTO AND THAT NORTHERN RACISM MORE PERNICIOUS IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE IT WAS BETTER HIDDEN RACISM THAT HE ENCOUNTERED IN THE SOUND.

AND I THINK WHEN KING LEFT HERE, HE WAS DEEPLY FRUSTRATED, BUT HE WAS DETERMINED THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO GIVE UP.

HE FELT LIKE MAYOR DALEY NOT DEALING SQUARELY WITH HIM.

THAT DAILY AGREED TO ACTUALLY MEET A NUMBER OF KINGS, IMPORTANT DEMANDS.

AND SOON AS KING LEFT TOWN, THOSE DEMANDS WERE IGNORED.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE LIVE WITH TODAY.

YOU KNOW THAT THE LEGACY OF THAT FAILURE TO EMBRACE KINGS REFORMS HAUNTS US TO THIS DAY.

>> HOW DID HIS VISITS TO CHICAGO?

AND THEN, OF COURSE, STAYING IN NORTH LAWNDALE LATER ON REFLECT YOU NOTICE SHIFT MOVEMENT BY THEN AND HIS PLACE IN IT.

KING WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL BY MOST MEASURES IN THE SOUTH.

HELPED GET PASSAGE OF THE VOTING RIGHTS IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

BUT HE WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT.

HE SAID THAT NORTHERN SEGREGATION, RACISM WAS JUST AS BAD.

>> AND NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND WHEN HE CAME HERE, HE LOST A LOT OF HIS SUPPORT IN A LOT OF THE WHITE NORTHERN LIBERALS SENT MONEY SENT CHECKS TO SUPPORT HIS WORK SUDDENLY LOST INTEREST IN WHAT HE WAS DOING.

THE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN HE SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE VIETNAM WAR.

WE FORGET THAT IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS OF HIS LIFE, KING WAS REALLY FADING IN TERMS OF HIS POPULARITY.

AND PEOPLE DID NOT REALLY BELIEVE IN HIM.

EVEN THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON, 70% OF AMERICANS WERE AGAINST IT.

>> JOHN F KENNEDY JUNIOR TOLD NOT TO DO IT.

WE'RE IN YOUR TOLD THEM NOT TO DO IT.

HE BE MAKING A MISTAKE THAT KENNEDY WAS A FRIEND THAT RICE WOULD BREAK OUT, THAT IT WOULD DAMAGE HIS SUPPORT IN THE SOUTH, THAT HE WOULD LOSE SUPPORT FOR ANY POTENTIAL CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION.

BUT KING OVER AND OVER TOLD PEOPLE IN POWER THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO WAIT, THAT YOU CAN'T KEEP ASKING PEOPLE TO WAIT WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THEM SQUARELY TO BEGIN 10 SECONDS LEFT.

JONATHAN, WHAT PEOPLE TAKE AWAY FROM THIS BOOK?

I WANT PEOPLE TO REMEMBER THE KING WAS A MAN THAT HE HAD MOMENTS OF DOUBT.

AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IN THAT WAY, HE BECOMES GREATER AS A HERO.

AND IT ALSO MEANS THAT WE CAN ASPIRE TO EMULATE HIM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO BE PERFECT TO FIGHT FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

AGAIN, THAT WAS OUR RECENT CONVERSATION WITH AUTHORED JONATHAN EIG.

HIS NEW BOOK IS CALLED KING A LIFE.

AND YOU CAN READ AN EXCERPT ON OUR WEBSITE.

>> AND UP NEXT, WE HEAR FROM CORONA, SCOTT KING ABOUT HER HUSBAND'S PLAYFUL SIDE AND HIS ABILITY TO LOVE THOSE WHO HATED HIM.

AND YOU JUST HEARD AUTHER, JONATHAN, I TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF CORONA.

SCOTT KING TO THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT INTO HER HUSBAND IN 1978 W T TW IS JOHN CALLAWAY SPOKE WITH MISSUS, KING ABOUT HER HUSBAND AS WELL AS HER OWN ROLE AND CONTINUING HIS LEGACY.

HERE'S PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

>> WHEN YOU WHEN YOU WROTE YOUR BOOK, YOU YEARS WITH MARTIN LUTHER KING, YOU SPEAK FREQUENTLY OF A SIDE OF HIM THAT THOSE OF US WHO ARE REPORTERS AND WELL, WAS IN STREETS IN THE FIELDS, DIDN'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT MUCH.

BUT YOU SPEAK OF HIS GREAT HUMOR THAT HE HAD AND HIS INTERMINABLE BASKETBALL GAMES INSIDE WHAT YOU COULDN'T >> MARTIN HAD A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR AND WE OFTEN WISH PEOPLE.

>> THAT MASSES OF THIS FOLLOWS COULD KNOW HIM AS WE KNOW HIM.

HE WAS SO HAD TO BE VERY SERIOUS IN PUBLIC AND PEOPLE GET QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS SERIOUS AND AND MEDITATING, I WAS JUST SO HUMAN.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ATTRACTED ME TO HIM.

WHEN I FIRST MET HIM, HE'S VERY SERIOUS ABOUT.

HE SAYS I WAS THAT SHE SAYS WHEN I GET INTO THE POPE AND WHEN I'M PREACHING SOME VERY SERIOUS, HE SAID PLAY.

BUT WHEN HE WAS A YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THAT CONTEXT, HE WAS HUMAN AND PLAYFUL AND VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, HE COULD AS PLAYFUL AS A 6 YEAR-OLD CHILD AT SHELL.

FORGET FOR SUNDAY I WENT.

DO YOU PREACH?

AND WE WE WERE RECORDING IN BOSTON.

MY MOTHER WAS VISITING AND WE WENT TO THE BEACH AND THE FORGOT THAT FAMOUS BEACH IN BOSTON OUTSIDE OF BOSTON.

BUT HE WENT FROM SKATING.

WELL, A SKATING AND HE HAD SO MUCH FUN.

HE WAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE CHILD THAT SHE HAD SEEN HIM PREACH THAT MORNING IN THE PULPIT AND SHE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

HE SAYS HE ACTS LIKE HE'S ABOUT 4 YEARS OLD.

>> BUT HE MISSES HAVING SO MUCH FUN.

YOU KNOW, JUST SKATING AND JUST BEING JUST BEING ANOTHER HUMAN BIG.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER GREAT MEN YOU WROTE ABOUT IN THAT BOOK.

YOUR FATHER.

I I MOVED ABOUT THE WRITING ABOUT YOUR FATHER'S.

I WAS.

PRACTICALLY ANYTHING IN THAT BOOK.

HE HAD A CAPACITY TO WORK.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GIVING PEOPLE THE SIMPLE DIGNITY OF WORKING.

HE WORK LIKE FEW MEN WORK AND HAD ALL TAKEN AWAY FROM IT.

BURN DOWN HIS.

>> WELL, YES, MY WAS SUCH A STRONG PERSON AND HAS SO MUCH FAITH IN THE 78 YEARS OLD TODAY.

AND HE STILL HAS THAT SAME.

>> FAITH AND BELIEF AND LOVE PEOPLE.

>> HE ALWAYS VETTING TO FORGIVE AND READY TO FORGIVE AND VERY UNDERSTANDING.

AND THOSE QUALITIES WERE QUALITIES THAT ARE FOUND IN MARTIN.

AND HAVEN'T SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SO MUCH ALIKE AND YET THEY HAD THAT'S DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS BUT FOLLOWS SOUTHERN RULE AND HE WAS BEEN AND HIGHLY EDUCATED.

MY FATHER HAD A 6TH GRADE EDUCATION.

HE WAS SUCH A DAY.

HE IS SUCH A GREAT SPIRIT AND NOW THAT THAT.

INDOMITABLE WILL AND DETERMINATION.

>> TO KEEP KEEPING ON WHEN THERE'S JUST NOTHING YOU KNOW, LEFT.

I REMEMBER THE DAYS WHEN >> A HOUSE WAS BARE AND AND WHEN WE FINALLY GOT THE MESSAGE SHE HAD GONE TO THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A PLUS.

IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED ON AND WORK, HE HAD TIME OR CAPACITY FOR BITTERNESS KNOW.

NOW HE NO BITTERNESS.

JUST SUCH A GREAT FOR GIVING HEART AND THAT'S THE KIND OF FAMILY YOU KNOW THAT, YOU GREW UP AND AND I HAD SO MUCH.

I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR HIM AND MOTHER, TOO.

THEY BOTH GREAT HUMAN BEINGS AND GAVE ME MY VALUES.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY LUCKY WHEN THEY HAVE GOOD PARENTS.

BECAUSE CHILDREN VERY OFTEN.

I AM BUILT TO RUN.

I'M REALLY RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THE FIRST 6 YEARS, I BELIEVE ON THE MOST IMPORTANT YEARS OF YOUR LIFE.

AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE VALUES INSTILLED AIRILY.

IN IT'S HARD TO TO LEARN THAT YOU MAY LAND THEM AND YOU MAY NOT.

MY PARENTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY THEY WERE AND THEY HAD TO GAUGE THE SEGREGATION AND DISCRIMINATION PERIOD.

THEY ALWAYS BELIEVED IN THE FUTURE AND THAT THINGS COULD BE BETTER AND TO THE ROUTE TOO.

RATION WAS THROUGH AN EDUCATION.

AND SO THEY GAVE US THE THAT IS MY SISTER, MY BROTHER AND I.

THESE VALUES THAT THEY HELD.

AND THOUGH THOSE VALUES WILL STRENGTHEN.

AS I WENT ON TO ADD COLLAGEN, WHEN I MET MARTIN IN BOSTON, I HAVE MY VALUES AND I HAD MY, YOU KNOW, MY COMMITMENT I DID LEARNED FROM MARTIN.

BUT MARTIN, I THINK GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULFILL IT.

IT WAS A GREAT WEDDING, SO TO SPEAK.

AND I THINK IT WAS YOU KNOW, KIND OF DISSED.

AND IT WAS MEANT TO BE I DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL LATER.

I THINK I DID REALIZE WE GET TO MONTGOMERY.

AND THE BOYCOTT.

IT STARTED IN THE HOUSE HAD BEEN BOMBED.

YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SUCH A GREAT FEELING OF SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT HAPPENING THAT WAS WORLDWIDE AND WE WERE A PART OF IT.

AND A VERY GREAT PRIVILEGE TO BE A PART OF IT.

I FELT.

I REMEMBER THINKING.

I FEEL SO FORTUNATE TO BE HERE TODAY AND TO BE A PART OF THIS AND THIS IS A REASON WHY WE CAME TO MONTGOMERY NOW ON STAND.

AND AS WE WENT ALONG IN THE MOVEMENT IN THE DRAMA CONTINUED TO UNFOLD, YOU BEGIN TO SEE MORE AND AND THEN YOU REALIZE THAT THE TESTING CAME IN, YOU HAVE TO BE TESTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WAS STABBED.

THAT WAS A TESTING POINT IN LIVES.

AND, YOU KNOW, EACH CAMPAIGN HE WAS CRITICIZING WE CONTINUE TO BE TESTED.

AND THEN WHEN HE GOT THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THAT, THEN THERE WAS AN ATTACK FROM HOOVER.

IT WAS MORE TESTING AND THEN HE SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE WAR IN VIETNAM AND MORE TESTING.

YOU KNOW, AT ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE SAID IT SO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TOLD TO COMMIT YOUR LIFE.

THERE'S NOTHING TO BE PUFFED UP ABOUT THIS.

IT MIGHT HAVE HUMILITY.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE ABILITY.

YOU'RE NOT YOUR OWN.

MEAN, YOU ARE ONCE YOU MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO SO SOUTH, TO GOD'S WILL.

THEN YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL LARGE, YOU BECOME AN INSTRUMENT AND YOU.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU BECOME PUFFED UP, THE NEW CEASE TO BE GOD'S INSTRUMENT AND THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND I PUT IT IN THOSE TERMS BECAUSE MINE WAS A RELIGIOUS MAN.

AND AND HE WAS.

ECUMENICAL.

WHAT HE STOOD FOR.

TRANSITED TO RAISE CLASS CULTURE.

RELIGION AND ALL OF THOSE ON OFFICIAL VARIAS.

AND SO SOME PEOPLE MAY CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RELIGIOUS.

YOU KNOW.

BUT THE FACT IS I MEAN, YOU FIND YOU FOUND SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD BELIEVE IN.

BUT THERE WAS THIS GREAT GOODNESS.

ALL A OF LOVE.

I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT.

HE HAD THE CAPACITY LOVE THOSE WHO HATED HIM.

AND THAT GREAT LAW THAT HE POSSESSED EMANATED FROM HIM TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND AND MUCH OF IT WAS RETURNED.

THAT LOVE TRANSCENDED.

COMMENTS BECAUSE WHEN I TRAVEL ABROAD, I REALIZE WITH GREAT LOVE PEOPLE HAVE FOR MARTIN WHO NEVER >> W T TW IS JOHN CALLAWAY TALKING WITH SCOTT KING IN 1978, YOU CAN SEE THAT ENTIRE 60 MINUTE CONVERSATION ON OUR WEBSITE.

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