>> Hello and thanks for joining us on Chicago tonight.

I'm Brandis Friedman.

Here's what we're looking at.

This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate in hostile resistance.

>> Concerns over the Second Amendment and concealed carry after the fatal shooting of Alex ready by immigration agents in Minnesota.

>> The church have a voice in political sphere.

We should have a voice in the partisan >> And Cardinal Blase Cupich pushes back on the Trump administration's recent foreign policy moves and actions against undocumented immigrants.

He joins us in studio to discuss.

First off tonight, Chicagoans may have another official way of finding out of Chicago.

Police officers are violating the city's welcoming city ordinance by helping federal immigration agents.

>> It is not enough to be a welcoming city on paper.

We must enforce our local laws so that we can maintain the trust that we have built between law enforcement and immigrant communities throughout Chicago.

Any violation or even the allegation of a violation can undermine that trust.

So that is why it's important that there's an independent investigation when concerns are raised, this amendment would allow cope with to do just that.

>> To city council committees today passed a measure that would give the civilian Office of Police Accountability, the authority to investigate any such allegations.

Chicago police officers have faced pointed questions from residents and elected officials since June about their actions as federal immigration raids have intensified across the city.

Cpd Superintendent Larry snowing in a letter to the council says his officers have complied with the ordinance, but he says he supports the proposed ordinance to further transparency.

A group of scientists says it's a, quote, failure of leadership that leads them to move the symbolic doomsday clock by 4 seconds closer to midnight.

>> The Doomsday Clock is a tool for communicating how close we are to destroying the world with technologies of our own making.

The risks we face from nuclear weapons, climate change and disruptive technologies are all growing every second counts and we are running out of time.

It is a hard truth that this is our reality.

>> The Chicago based bulletin of the atomic scientists at this year's clock.

At 85 seconds to midnight, the closest it's ever been in history with midnight, symbolizing global catastrophe.

Just last year it was moved to 89 seconds.

The organization cites proliferating nuclear weapons, a lack of regulation over AI technologies and failure to reduce the threat of climate change.

Among the reasons for the update.

Taste of Chicago fans will appreciate this one.

Your favorite festival is returning to Grant Park this summer.

City officials say the Taste returns July 8 through 12 after being bumped into September for the last 3 years because of the NASCAR Street race, that race will not take place this summer after recent city officials couldn't reach a deal between NASCAR Lollapalooza and thus when use music Festival, Grant Park had been closed to the public for the bulk of the last 3 summers.

If you more festivals will also take place in Millennium Park this summer to learn more.

Check out our Web site.

Up next, a second fatal shooting by immigration agents in Minnesota sparked a debate over gun rights.

That's right after this.

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>> The death of Minnesota man, Alex, pretty at the hands of federal agents is just the latest incident in the ongoing immigration crackdown to draw national attention and a wide array of reactions.

Some people have sought to blame pretty and American citizen and registered nurse with Trump administration officials alleging his killing can be chalked up incendiary language from Democrats into the fact that pretty was carrying a gun at the time, even though he had a lawful concealed carry license.

>> This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat leaders in Minnesota.

They have also used their platforms to encourage left-wing agitators to stock record, confront and obstruct federal officers who are just trying to lawfully perform their duties.

This individual who came.

>> With weapons and ammunition to stop a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed an act of domestic terrorism.

That's the facts.

>> Here with more on Second Amendment rights is Van Der Linden again, a firearm instructor and founder of J Indy Defense, which provides training and classes needed to acquire it.

Concealed carry license.

And Courtney Redmond, firearm instructor at Red Hill, Firearms Training and former president of the 700 61st Gun Club as well as on Zoom, Harold Krantz, a professor at Chicago.

Can't College of Law.

Welcome back.

And welcome to the 2 of you.

Thanks for joining us thank God so on.

start of the 2 of you in studio when some federal officials in this initially justified the deadly use of force by pointing to the fact that Alex pretty was armed.

Jermont London again, first to you.

What reaction did you have as a gun owner?

>> What keep hearing all of the statements that he should not have brought a gun to a protest he had extra magazines.

He was a concealed carry permit holder.

He legally was able to carry a firearm in Minnesota does not have prohibition legal firearm owners permit holders cannot take them to protest.

So he was within his right to carry a firearm and he was concealed and they are.

So they're they're also an open carry state as well.

But he was concealed.

You can see he's got.

>> it's best to the family.

First.

But what I think is, you know, you do up to any when you do go to a protest.

But everyone has a right to actually protect themselves.

whether you protest and that I think one of the questions as between anyone is the protests.

All right.

And some people call it that.

Some people use that rhetoric.

don't necessarily agree with it now, but some people use that rhetoric to say that whether he was causing trouble or not that does change the dynamic of when you walk area.

And I hope you know, we have table discussion about it.

>> Harrell credit, we know as Glenn just stated, you know, there is no federal or state law that prohibits protesters from carrying a gun.

Contrary to what the FBI director has said.

Do you think the presence of a firearm that wasn't enough to justify the deadly use of force by law enforcement?

>> Of course not.

never has been and indeed many supporters of the Second Amendment are pushing back and what the administration has stated.

I think the ministrations.

He's trying to be seat on this one has as well.

The fact that is they didn't even see the gone until after he was really pushed to the ground and he was in no position to use the So we it's next.

discussing the lame excuse.

You know, when I hope we see justice in this case, whether prosecution or whether it be a toward suit and it gets to enjoy, think what would get the other panels just said.

There's been terrible training here you think the just the trigger happy and they don't know when it's not easy decision when to pull the trigger trained well for me to train about what to do these individual seem to lack basic training.

>> Dhs officials also said, Harold, that pretty was obstructing a law enforcement operation, which again, not necessarily grounds for deadly force.

But how how is that determined on the ground in the moment whether or not he's obstructing a law enforcement operation?

>> We're generally is to try to you have to be hindering law enforcement in.

conducting a law enforcement operation for you have to trying to I someone who debt the law enforcement are trying to apprehend something along those lines.

In this case, she was filming.

So the idea that he struck any kind of lawful enforcement operation by filming is again preposterously everything that we know of from the videos that have been collected.

So, yes, it's possible that someone can hinder law enforcement agents.

But in this case, it's a bystander with us >> The first assistant U.S.

attorney for the Central District of California.

So in California, Bill Essayli, he posted to social media saying, quote, If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting.

You don't do it to battle in your former law enforcement officer.

What is your reaction to that statement that make sense what he's saying?

But he did pretty did not approached officers.

If you look at the video, the officers aggressively, not the lady down.

He was trying to protect the lady.

>> And then they walked up on him.

So he still had his camera high enough you know, where he was filming.

So didn't look like he was reaching for a gun.

They did not see a firearm.

I mean, nothing in the video showed me a firearm until one of those officers retrieved the gun when they you know, when they had him on the ground, so situation would have been different.

Had someone had a gun in hand walking towards officers.

Absolutely.

And he was walking away walking back.

They were walking aggressively towards him.

>> The Second Amendment Foundation.

They were concerned with some of the commentary that's coming from folks like Seeley saying that he was contradictory to the right to bear arms.

Here is what the Second Amendment Foundation said in a statement.

Quote, the claim that some are making that the peaceable carry a firearm near officers is enough to justify them using legal the full force is an affront to the Second Amendment rights of all Americans.

People should not be are interacting with police officers just because they are lawfully carrying.

Fortunately, it goes on to say it looks like U.S.

attorney FBI director, Kash Patel and others espousing those views.

Excuse me have since clarified them.

And yesterday the White House press secretary seemed to walk them back as well.

Courtney, do you agree with this?

What do you teach your students about gun safety and responsibility, especially when encountering law enforcement got a when you're in county, law enforcement always stay calm.

you know.

>> Peacefully to the police officer that is pulling you over even with the situation was a chaotic situation that we do have to bring that up.

It was more than just at was out there.

There were more people.

They were along with was banging pots.

There UPS trucking and get in the way of federal law enforcement officers that that has to come into play.

Also.

So one of the things is peaceful and that was one of the things that they said statement a slimy and peaceful.

And that's what I agree with that your peaceful person, PIA PC, protesting you should be shot because of that.

>> I just want to one of the things that are training, one we had to go top secret security clearances.

They vetted us to make sure we have the right temperament for the job.

So, you know, you can't react because somebody is blowing the whistle or taunting.

You are calling you names.

You know, obviously, if somebody tries to attack or touch and officer, that's a different story.

Changes the game.

But if you're in law enforcement, you have to have a thick skin.

You should know how to interact with the public and how to have a crowd control.

I am concerned about how fast maybe these individuals were trained or maybe not trained because they seem to be very trigger happy.

And just because somebody is blowing the whistle should not be enough for you to just react and pour your firearm and shoot somebody.

>> Herald the administration, they have made some changes since the shooting.

Greg Bovino has been replaced by borders.

Are Tom Homan.

There seems to be some communication between Governor Tim Walz and President Trump.

Some Republicans themselves are calling for an investigation.

Do you think we've reached a tipping point and why this specific shooting?

Why run a good war?

So Villegas Gonzalez, which was here in Franklin Park.

>> And the fact that there's been 2 shootings in Minneapolis so close together and the fact that the report it's been so far removed from what people can see on the videos is having an impact.

And I think Republicans are starting to push back.

We haven't seen as very often during this administration.

I think this is one of some of the first signs the Republicans are saying, you know, is enough.

We live in a civil society.

You cannot have happy ICE agents, you know, going all over the place, particularly as was just mentioned.

They seem to lack basic training.

So maybe we can say I hate to be optimistic.

Probably is not any room for but maybe this is a step in the sort of the right-sizing of this administration.

And so they will not provoke individual.

So they have been doing so shamelessly for the past months.

>> All right.

That is where we'll have to leave My thanks to the 3 of you for joining us to Van Der Linden again, Courtney Redmond and Harold Krantz.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Take care.

And if you want more information on Illinois's gun laws, please visit www dot com Slash explains.

Up next one on one with Cardinal Blase Cupich Roman Catholic Church leaders are speaking out about some of the recent foreign policy actions by the Trump administration.

Cardinal Blase Cupich the archbishop of Chicago joined 2 other American Cardinals and writing a strongly worded statement questioning recent actions in Venezuela and Greenland.

The statement opens, quote in Twenty-twenty 6.

The United States has entered into the most profound and searing debate about the Moral foundation for America's actions in the world.

Since the end of the Cold War.

Meanwhile, faith leaders are also pushing back on the Trump administration's actions against undocumented immigrants.

Joining us now to discuss this is Cardinal Blase Cupich Archbishop of Chicago.

Welcome back.

Thank you for joining us, Arnold.

Thank you, Brent.

It's going to be here.

So in your joint statement with those 2 other cardinals, as we mentioned of Newark in Washington, D.C., you all say, quote, as pastors entrusted with the teaching of our people.

We cannot stand by while decisions are made that condemned millions to lives trapped permanently at the edge of existence.

What role does the church have in times of political turmoil?

Well, we have an important role citizens living in a democracy.

>> To raise our voices and we want to make sure that there is a moral framework that is taken in consideration as various policies are formed.

We and making this statement saw that the consensus set the end of the second World War about how nations work together is evaporating.

That is the consensus about the sovereignty of nations and their borders with Ukraine invasion by Russia and Ukraine.

Also in the Venezuelan action.

Also, how different disputes are resolved in a peaceful way through dialogue, although that seems to be going by the wayside.

And so we wanted to make sure that we don't lose the perspective of what is morally corrected.

Morley, the framework that should be used and foreign policy developed, it hurts has been outspoken on different issues over time.

Of course.

>> How church leaders decide when it's time to speak up.

>> Well, I think we want to make sure that included in the debate and the national debate is a moral framework and we wanted to make sure particularly that the voice of the people whose rights are violated, where a lack of human dignity is observed.

that was the case with the way mass deportation was going on in the country that the voices of the of the week are heard and we wanted to make sure that the that was part of the discussion in society as well.

>> The pope in a recent address said, quote, War is back in vogue and a zeal for war is spreading.

The principle established after the Second World War, which prohibited nations from using force to violate the borders of others has been completely undermined.

Peace is no longer saw it as a gift.

And it goes on to say instead pieces sought through weapons as a condition for asserting one's own dominion.

In your letter, you all specifically raised events that you're seeing in Venezuela, Greenland and Ukraine has cause for concern.

What was it that you're seeing happening in those 3 countries that made you speak up?

>> Well, much along the lines with the pope said where borders sovereignty of nations.

is not respected where we also have a situation in which there are disputes as there always have been between nations are not resolved in a peaceful way through dialogue, but rather through the use of force and we were seeing a message that might makes right.

The defense of nations taking action simply because they can do that is is really a a recipe for disaster in the world and peace no longer be a gift that we pursue but rather war in order to get one said Dominion and one one's way in politics seems to be way forward for some people.

Eu, 3 cardinals representing, as we mentioned, Chicago, Newark in Washington, D.C.

>> All of you might have some parishioners who support the president and his administration and what they're doing.

What do you say to them?

Well, I think >> this was not aimed and we didn't name anyone in end.

The document itself, we just want to make sure that when we discuss these matters, we take into consideration a moral framework.

Our aim is really to engage the participation of people in the questions that we have an and and to make sure that when they engage them, they have the proper understanding of what at stake whenever we don't pay attention to a moral discipline society.

The other Pope said something very I think important.

He said the real crisis we're facing today relativism where we're reducing truth to one's opinion or to alternative facts.

And I think that that is something that we have to avoid and our people need to reflect about that.

I think unless we unless deal with that, that issue of what's really true, we saw this and the Minnesota shooting this past where it's very clear from what we saw on the tape.

That this man's life was when she was taken.

And yet there seem to be an alternative narrative.

There that try it in some way direct people's attention away from what they really saw.

That's a crisis when we do not have a kind of basis for truth that we can understand in society.

Was there about with other cardinals about having them join you in this Welty, do we do?

You are the only 3 cardinals who are heads of dioceses.

>> So with the full breadth cardinals who have dioceses, we're we're in this we we decided that we were in Rome for the consistory with the Holy Father.

We heard a lot of voices from cardinals from around the world to expect crest alarm.

What's taking place.

And then the day after we left from the pope came up with is statement his presentation to the diplomatic corps in the Vatican and which erase some of the same issues.

So in a ways, as you quoted from what he said here, he gave us the lay in which to be able to make his message more broadly known in their country.

All OK.

So you mentioned a couple of times what's happening here at home.

Of course, the Department of Homeland Security has used.

>> Bible verses in promotional materials.

Or One video includes a quote from Proverbs.

28 that says, quote, the wicked flee when no man pursue with.

But the righteous are bold as a lion they proceed proceed to show militarized agents appearing to read a building.

What is your reaction to seeing a Bible verses and the word of God being used this way?

>> Well, I think you the people who have undocumented status in our country as the week.

It is totally unfair and unjust.

There was a story today coverage in the Wall Street Journal.

It gave statistics of how many people are the quote, worst of the worst 5%.

The rest of the people have no have no criminal conviction.

And so we have a situation in which people are treated inhumanely because their status is being demonized by language.

So I think we have to be very careful of quoting scripture to marginalize a certain group of people.

And in many ways show a lack respect for their human dignity.

>> Schools, hospitals, funerals, public demonstrations, weddings, houses of worship.

They've all been targeted by ICE and immigration agents after President Trump revoked the directive preventing a rest in, quote, sensitive areas.

How's decision affected local parishes?

>> Well, we see a lower number of people free to come to worship.

And that's very sad.

But you list a number of places but also individuals because of the color of their skin.

I've had some priest who are of a different color being targeted and arrested.

Stop because of their color asking them to prove that their citizens, that's not America.

We don't live.

We should not have to live in a country where people have to carry around their documents all the time.

it really is troubling to have a people no matter what their status in life stop simply because of the color of their skin.

>> Cardinal, we also have to ask because last night the archdiocese said that the closure of 6 Catholic schools in the area due to low enrollment at the end of this school year.

That announcement was made on this has been an ongoing issue for for the Catholic schools here.

One of these closures say about the status of Catholic schools and what is their future look like?

>> Well, first of all, it's always a tragedy when we have to close the school.

But we have a situation where demographics irony against this.

We see that even in the public schools where there are closures.

So the numbers just aren't there anymore.

And the other hand, we know that some of the schools have been impacted because we did not have a renewal of the tax credit scholarship program that allowed poor families to have the same choice of choose a school that best fits their children simply with that bill was not passed and renewed.

We people, people of means have have the freedom to be able to choose a school that best fits their children.

Why shouldn't 4 people have that choice?

And now there is a federal program that the governor can up to 9 that will allow that to take place.

And we hope that the signs signs on to at the same any of your schools their families being impacted as well by what's happening with immigration and are they either withdrawing roar?

>> Moving their families to to a different country or out of the area?

No, we haven't seen so much of But what day they are if, in fact we when we close the school and children don't have the school that they had in the past, we are looking for ways in which they can go to a nearby Catholic school.

>> so we're helping them do that.

Ok?

Cardinal Blase Cupich, thank you for sharing your time in Best of luck to you.

Good to be here.

And this.

And we're back to wrap things up right after this.

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