
How the Jan. 6 attack still divides America four years later
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How the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol still divides America four years later
Monday marks four years since the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, when a mob of then-President Trump’s supporters smashed their way into the building under the false belief that the 2020 election had been stolen. NPR’s Tom Bowman and Lauren Hodges, two journalists who were there that day, join William Brangham to discuss the Jan. 6 attack and its legacy in the years since.
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How the Jan. 6 attack still divides America four years later
Clip: 1/5/2025 | 5m 58sVideo has Closed Captions
Monday marks four years since the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, when a mob of then-President Trump’s supporters smashed their way into the building under the false belief that the 2020 election had been stolen. NPR’s Tom Bowman and Lauren Hodges, two journalists who were there that day, join William Brangham to discuss the Jan. 6 attack and its legacy in the years since.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> TOMORROW MARKS FOUR YEARS SINCE THE JANUARY 6 ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL BUILDING, A DAY THAT SHOOK THE CITY EMANATION.
A MOB OF TERM SUPPORTERS SMASHED THEIR WAY INTO THE CAPITOL BUILDING, BELIEVING THAT THE ELECTION HAVE BEEN STOLEN.
A BIPARTISAN SENATE REPORT FOUND THAT AT LEAST SEVEN PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES IN CONNECTION WITH THE ATTACK.
YEARS LATER, THE LEGACY OF THAT DAY AND WHAT IT MEANS TO OUR COUNTRY REMAINS A BITTER PARTISAN DIVIDE.
JOINING US TO DISCUSS OUR JOURNALISTS WHO WERE THERE THAT DAY.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN COVERING ITS IMPACTS EVER SENT.
OUR PENTAGON REPORTER AND AN NPR REPORTER.
YOU WERE BOTH THEREFORE YEARS AGO.
- - THERE FOUR YEARS AGO.
HOW DOES IT STAND OUT TO YOU?
>> I WAS COVERING TRUMP'S SPEECH.
THERE WAS A SEA OF PEOPLE.
I WAS INTERVIEWING EVERYONE.
THEY WERE ALL RESPECTFUL.
PEOPLE WERE LAUGHING AND JOKING AND WAVING TO EACH OTHER.
IT WAS LIKE A STORM WAS COMING IN.
THERE WAS A SENSE OF ANGER AND BAD ENERGY.
SHE CALLED ME.
SHE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MOB.
>> I WAS THERE WITH ANOTHER CORRESPONDENT.
THERE WAS THIS HUNGER FOR VIOLENCE.
PEOPLE WERE REALLY READY TO START SOMETHING.
THEY WERE SPEAKING ABOUT IT.
THEY HAD AN EAGERNESS TO SEE VIOLENCE AND PARTICIPATE IN IT.
>> THEY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DEFINE AND REDEFINE THAT DAY.
THERE HAVE BEEN WRITTEN NORMAL - - AN ENORMOUS SENSE OF A REVISIONIST HISTORY.
>> INITIALLY EVERYONE AGREED THAT THIS WAS A BAD THING.
THIS WAS AN INSURRECTION.
THEY BLAMES TRUMP.
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY THE REVISION STARTED.
IT WAS ANTIFA ORB BLACK LIVES MATTER.
FBI AGENTS WERE UP THERE INSTIGATING THE CROWD.
IT REALLY >> STARTED WITH FOX NEWS.
>>ONCE THE FBI STARTED MAKING ARRESTS, IT BECAME UNAVOIDABLE WHO WAS THERE.
IT WAS TRUMP'S SUPPORTERS.
THEN A NEW NARRATIVE SHIFT STARTED WHERE IT WAS TRUMP'S SUPPORTERS BUT THEY WERE PATRIOTS.
THEY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG.
AGENT -- THEY WERE JUST CUT UP A CROWD.
>> DONALD TRUMP STILL CALLS THEM PATRIOTS.
IT LOOKS LIKE HE WILL PARDON QUITE A FEW OF THEM.
>> THIS FEW BAD APPLES IDEA PERCOLATES A LOT OF THIS.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE MAN AT THE CENTER OF THAT?
>> HE WAS A MARINE AND STILL IS A MARINE WHO WAS A SERGEANT IN THE MARINE CORPS.
HE GREW UP ABOUT AN HOUR WEST OF WASHINGTON.
HE WAS AMONG THOSE WHO ENTER THE CAPITAL THAT DAY.
HOW DOES THE MARINE CORPS RECKON WITH HIM AND OTHER MARINES WHO SHOWED UP THAT DAY?
>> 1500 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED.
A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM WERE MARINES.
THEY ARE THE SMALLEST OF THE FIGHTING FORCES.
THE MILITARY DOES NOT KNOW IF THERE IS AN EXTREMISM PROBLEM IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT COLLECTING DATA LIKE THEY WOULD FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.
ONLY THIS PAST YEAR TO DATE PUT UP GUIDELINES.
ALL OF THE SERVICES ARE SUPPOSED TO COLLECT THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THEY DO HAVE A HANDLE ON WHETHER THERE IS A PROBLEM OR NOT.
I THINK A LOT OF THAT WILL BE BRUSHED ASIDE UNDER THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION.
>> THE REASON WE THINK THAT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A LOTTO VERBAL CONDEMNATION RIGHT AWAY.
WE CONDEMN THIS.
THESE ARE NOT GOOD MARINES.
BUT WHEN IT CAME TO ACTION, WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR THEM TO ENACT REAL CONSEQUENCES, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENED.
THE WORDS DID NOT REALLY MATCH THE ACTIONS WHEN IT CAME TO HOW THEY WERE RECKONED HIGHLY SO MANY OF THEIR PEOPLE BEING OUT THERE THAT DAY.
>> THERE WERE THREE MARINES FROM QUANTICO.
THEY WERE ALL CHARGED WITH DISTANT METERS AND THEY ALL DID COMMUNITY SERVICE.
279 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE.
ONE FOR EVERY MARINE CASUALTY IN THE CIVIL WAR.
IN ALL THREE CASES, AFTER THEY WERE CONVICTED, THE MARINE CORPS TABLES DECIDED TO KEEP THEM IN THE MARINE CORPS.
HE IS STILL A MARINE.
THE SECRETARY OF THE NAVY HAS YET TO DECIDE WHETHER TO KEEP THEM IN OR NOT.
ONE WAS KICKED OUT BY A GENERAL AT CAMP PENDLETON.
HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT.
>> REALLY TREMENDOUS PIECE OF REPORTING.
>>>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
YOU ARE WELCOME.
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