>> THE JANUARY 6TH COMMITTEE TAKES DIRECT AIM AT TRUMP.

A BIG MONTH COMING FOR THE SUPREME COURT AND AMERICA.

AND THE RETURN OF THE IVORY TOWER SUMMER READING LIST.

COMING UP NEXT.

♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING.

WELCOME TO IVORY TOWER.

I'M DAVID CHANATRY FROM UTICA UNIVERSITY.

I'M JOINED THIS WEEK BY CHAD SPARBER FROM COLGATE UNIVERSITY, ANIRBAN ACHARYA FROM LEMOYNE COLLEGE, BEN BAUGHMAN FROM CAZENOVIA COLLEGE AND MICHAEL TILLOTSON FROM SUNY CORTLAND.

IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT AFTER INTERVIEWING MORE THAN A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND REVIEWING MORE THAN 125,000 DOCUMENTS, THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE HAS FINALLY BEGUN TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE FIRST WAS LAST NIGHT AND THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE SCHEDULED OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

LET'S GET OUR FIRST IMPRESSIONS •WAS LAST NIGHT EFFECTIVE IN GETTING AT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?

>> YES, I THINK IT WAS.

I THINK THEY WERE EFFECTIVE OUTLINING THE ISSUES THAT LED UP TO THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED ON JANUARY 6.

REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION, I THINK THE COMMON GROUND HERE IS THAT THE OATH OF OFFICE IS ESSENTIAL FOR US IN AMERICA.

IT IS AND WAS A CONTINUING THREAT AND IT NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED FOR RISK WHENEVER THERE IS A CRITICAL INCIDENT LIKE 9/11, JANUARY 6.

WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT OCCURRED SO WE CAN PREVENT IT WHEN POSSIBLE, MITIGATE IT AND INVESTIGATE IT PROPERLY SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

>> SO IT WAS EFFECTIVE, IN YOUR VIEW.

BOB WOODWARD SAID THE HEARINGS WERE THE EQUIVALENT OF THE 1954 ARMY McCARTHY HEARINGS.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S ACCURATE?

>> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE HEARINGS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK MY WALK AWAY IMPRESSION OF THIS, FIRST OF ALL, GREAT APPRECIATION FOR LIZ CHENEY WHASM SHE IS DOING IS GOOD WORK, COURAGEOUS WORK.

SHE IS GOING TO GET REWARDED BY GETTING BOOTED OUT OF OFFICE, LOSING BY 30 POINTS IN HER PRIMARY RACE.

IT IS GOING TO SEEM LIKE A NONSEQUITOR HERE.

CHUCK SCHUMER SCREWED UP IN 2020 WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT ABORTION AND HE SAID I WANT TO TELL YOU JUSTICE KAVANAUGH AND JUSTICE GORSUCH, YOU HAVE UNLEASHED A WHIRLWIND AND YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE.

YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT HAS HIT YOU.

IT HAS GIVEN CONSERVATIVES A GREAT SOUNDBITE TO SAY THAT HE IS INCITED VIOLENCE AGAINST JUSTICE KAVANAUGH WITH THIS ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION FROM THE LAST WEEK.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT HAS SHIFTED-- IT HAS DEFLECTED THE CONVERSATION FROM THE WRONG THAT TRUMP HAS COMMITTED AND TOWARDS SORT OF A HYPOCRISY OF THE LEFT WHO, HAS AT TIMES USED RHETORIC WITH SIMILAR VIOLENT OVERTONES.

SO WHEN THE CONSERVATIVE RESPONSE WILL NOW BE THIS IS JUST POLITICAL THEATER AND HERE IS EXHIBIT A, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER THIS ANTIDEMOCRATIC VIOLENT OVERTONES, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO NOT JUST TO TRUMP BUT PEOPLE ON THE LEFT AS WELL.

>> HOLD ON A SECOND.

AN ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT'S OVERSTATING LAPPED THUS FAR-- WHAT HAPPENED THUS FAR BUT THAT'S A FAR CRY.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I'M TALKING ABOUT SIMILARITIES AND THE LINE OF RATIONALE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK AT CONSERVATIVE BOARDS AND COMMENTARY AND WAYS THAT THE RIGHT IS GOING TO TRY TO DISMISS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE.

THESE ARE THE KINDS OF ARGUMENTS THEY'RE GOING TO-- >> REAL QUICK, JUST BECAUSE LIZ CHENEY IS DOWN 30 POINTS DOESN'T MEAN SHE IS NOT DOING RIGHT THING.

SHE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS FOCUSING ON THE ACTIONS RATHER THAN THE WORDS.

THEY SHOULD HAVE LED WITH THE TIMELINE THAT THEY FINISHED UP WITH LAST NIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE LED WITH BECAUSE THE ACTIONS WERE A RISK AND IT REMAINS A RISK TO AMERICA.

>> THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT THAT IT'S-- THE REMAINING RISK.

SOMEBODY SAID IT SHOULD BE THOUGHT OF NOT AS LOOKING BACK AS A THREAT ASSESSMENT TODAY.

ANIRBAN?

>> I THINK THE RIGHT MIGHT HAVE ALL THESE TALKING POINTS BUT THE RIGHT IS JUST, BY MAKING THE TALKING POINTS, THEY'RE JUST SAYING SOMETHING IS FAKE AND FRAUD, RIGHT?

LIKE THE RIGHT ACTIVELY SUPPORTS WHITE SUPREMACIST BASE THAT CAME OUT TO DESTROY OUR CAPITOL IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.

AND NOW THE RIGHT WANTS TO DO WAX POETIC ABOUT BRINGING UP OTHER THINGS AND TRYING TO SAY THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

THEY'RE NOT.

THERE ARE PROUD BOYS, OATH KEEPERS, THESE ARE FASCIST GROUPS THAT ARE DESCENDING ON THE CAPITOL, BEATING PEOPLE UP, BEATING POLICE UP AND DESTROYING DEMOCRACY.

SO I DO THINK LIZ CHENEY SAID SOMETHING BRILLIANT AND I WROTE IT DOWN.

I REHEARD IT AND WROTE IT DOWN.

SHE SAID TELLING TO HER COLLEAGUES, SHE SAID THOSE WHO ARE DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

THERE WILL COME A DAY WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS GONE BUT YOUR DISHONOR WILL REMAIN.

AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT SHE DID THAT HONORABLE THING IN SAYING THAT AGAINST HER COLLEAGUES BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT AS AN INTERNATIONAL SCHOLAR AND THIS MIGHT NOT BE A POPULAR VIEW, THAT WE HOPE, AS SCHOLARS FROM AROUND THE WORLD THAT FINALLY THE UNITED STATES WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IT FEELS WHEN OTHER DEMOCRACIES THAT UNITED STATES OVERTHROWS AROUND THE WORLD, HOW IT FEELS TO THOSE PEOPLE AND FINALLY MAYBE UNITED STATES WOULD COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT DESTROYING DEMOCRACIES IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD, PERHAPS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY.

>> MICHAEL, DID THE COMMITTEE MAKE THE CASE THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTED CORRUPTLY IN INCITING WHAT HAPPENED?

>> I THINK THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY THERE, BUT FOR ME LAST NIGHT WAS AN EXPOSE ON DUPLICITY AND TO SOME DEGREE HYPOCRISY.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO PRETEND THAT THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN LAWLESSNESS.

THEY BELIEVE IN LAWS AND BLUE LIVES MATTER AND POLICE BUT THEY WERE FILMED SCWEEDING CAP CAPITOL POLICE IN THE DOORS UNTIL BLOOD CAME OUT AND RAM RODDED CAPITOL POLICE WITH THE AMERICAN FLAG.

HIT CAPITOL POLICE IN THE HEAD WITH FIRE EXTINGUISHERS BUT TO THE COMMITTEE TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THEY HAVE THE INTENTION BUT WILL THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY.

I BRING UP CAPABILITY BECAUSE SO FAR IN MY VIEW, MER IT GARLAND HAS NOT SHOWN A CONSISTENT PROSECUTORIAL PHILOSOPHY OR REASONING.

THESE ARE CONCERNING ELEMENTS.

>> DO YOU THINK THIS MAY PUT THE ONUS ON GARLAND AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND FORCE THEM TO TAKE ACTION?

>> THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING TO THINK, AND AS FAR AS THE OPINION OF HIM, THERE ARE A LOT OF WRITERS AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO ARE STARTING TO PUT RHETORICAL PRESSURE ON HIM THROUGH THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WRITING.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY THINGS BACK TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS CLEAR THAT WHAT I THINK LIZ CHENEY HAS DONE IS INCREDIBLE AND I THINK SHE PERFORMED VERY WELL LAST NIGHT AND NOTHING BUT APPRECIATION AND RESPECT FOR HER.

I'M NOT DISMISSING ANY OF THE STUFF THAT TRUMP HAS DONE.

I THINK IT'S DEPLORABLE AND I HOPE JUSTICE IS SERVED.

MY ANALYSIS IS HOW DO I THINK THE CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE OR PUNDITS OR WHATEVER ARE GOING TO REACT TO THIS.

AND ON THAT, I'M A LITTLE BIT CYNICAL.

I'M A LITTLE BIT WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PERSUADABLE ON THIS ISSUE ARE NOT ACTUALLY WATCHING THE SHOW LAST NIGHT, AND WHAT I THINK THAT CONSERVATIVES WANT IS THEY WANT TO MOVE ON AND THEIR WAY OF DOING IT WILL BE TO DEFLECT CRITICISM BY POINTING TO SOME HYPOCRISY ON THE LEFT AND TALKING ABOUT OTHER WHAT ABOUTISMS AND PRIORITIES THEY THINK... >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I WAS THINKING THOSE WHO WANT TO PURSUE, THOSE WHO THINK THAT ELECTION WAS STOLEN, RIGHT, HOW MUCH SHOULD THESE COMMITTEE HEARINGS PURSUE THEM.

I AGREE WITH YOU, CHAD.

I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE PURSUED VERY MUCH.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ALTERNATIVE-- LIKE HOW DO WE MUTT THIS OUT IN PUBLIC?

>> IT WASN'T COVERED LAST NIGHT BY FOX AND PARENTALLY DURING THE TUNNELINGER CARLSON SHOW THEY DIDN'T EVEN RUN COMMERCIALS SO PEOPLE WEREN'T BREAKING AWAY.

THERE IS SO MUCH MEDIA TODAY THAT ONE WOULD THINK IT'S GOING TO GET OUT.

SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE COULD BE PERSUADED.

>> IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, TRUMP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WAS GOOD IN SHOWING TRUMP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING HAD MADE UP HIS MIND THAT HE WOULD NOT DO A TRANSFER OF POWER.

HE SAID AS MUCH WHEN HE WAS ASKED WHETHER HE WOULD TRANSFER THE POWER.

HE SAID THERE WILL BE NO TRANSFER OF POWER.

>> OKAY, NOW...

THIS SUPREME COURT TERM HAS BEEN TURBULENT, AND MORE CONTROVERSY IS SURELY ON THE WAY.

DECISIONS COMING IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS COULD HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON AMERICAN LIFE.

RULINGS ARE EXPECTED ON ABORTION, GUNS, RELIGION, CLIMATE AND IMMIGRATION -CONTENTIOUS ISSUES ALL, NO MATTER HOW THE JUSTICES VOTE.

SO, PANELISTS •WHICH CASES ARE YOU KEEPING AN EYE ON?

WHICH ARE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IN YOUR VIEW?

>> THE ONE THAT IS MOST INTERESTING TO ME IS ACTUALLY KENNEDY VFS BREHMERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PART BECAUSE I'M FROM BREHMERTON.

FAMILY STILL LIVES THERE.

TO GROSSLY OVERSIMPLIFY THE CASE, THIS IS A JOSEPH KENNEDY WAS A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL COACH.

HE CONTENDS THAT HE WAS FIRED FOR PRAYING ON THE 50-YARD LINE AFTER FOOTBALL GAMES.

THE CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT COUNTERS THAT NO, HE WAS DOING PRAYERS THAT BROUGHT TOO MUCH ATTENTION ON TO HIMSELF AND COERCING STUDENTS TO PRAY WITH HIM.

WHAT I THINK MAKES THE CASE REALLY INTERESTING IS THE WAY THAT IT PITS THE ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION VERSUS THE FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE AS A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.

HE CAN'T LEAD STUDENT PRAYER BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T REALLY TELL HIM WHEN AND HOW TO PRAY.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN, PARTICULARLY WITH THIS COURTED?

>> SO, TO CHANNEL MY COLLEAGUES TIM BYRNES OF "IVORY TOWER" FAME, THEY WOULD BE QUICK TO REMIND ME THAT THIS COURT IN RECENT YEARS HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE FREE EXERCISE ARGUMENT.

IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SIDE AGAINST THE COACH HERE.

I THINK MORE INTERESTING MOVING FORWARD IS ARE CONSERVATIVES EVER GOING TO REGRET GOING DOWN THIS ROUTE BECAUSE EVENTUALLY FREE EXERCISE IS GOING TO APPLY TO RELIGIONS THAT THEY MIGHT NOT REALLY SUPPORT.

SO IN SOME OF THE QUESTIONING, YOU HAVE JUSTICE KAVANAUGH ASKING WHETHER A SCHOOL COULD FIRE A COACH FOR MAKING THE SIGN OF A CROSS BEFORE A FOOTBALL GAME AND JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR ASKING IF THEY COULD DISCIPLINE A COACH FOR PUTTING A NAZI SWASTIKA ON THEIR ARM AND PRAYING.

IT IS AN INTERESTING INTELLECTUAL EXERCISE BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK THE COURT WILL SIDE WITH THE COACH.

>> ANIRBAN, WHAT WAS THE CASE THAT CAUGHT YOUR ATTENTION?

>> I'M FOLLOWING IT CLOSELY, WE SHOULD DISCUSS ABOUT IT FURTHER LATER, I THINK THE NEW YORK GUN LAW IS SOMETHING WHICH CAUGHT MY EYE.

IN NEW YORK, NEW YORK HAS ONE OF THE STRICTEST CONCEAL CARRY LAWS.

IN ORDER TO GET A CONCEAL CARRY WEAPON, HAVE YOU TO GET A PERMIT WHICH SHOWS YOU HAVE PROPER CAUSE TO TAKE IT IN PUBLIC.

NOT EVERYONE TO TAKE A GUN EVERYWHERE AND THIS IS UNDER CONTENTION AND THE SUPREME COURT IS POISED TO HEAR THIS COURT CASE WHICH MIGHT FURTHER LEAD TO P IF THE LAW IS VACATED THEN A PERSON NEEDING A PERMIT FOR CARRYING A CONCEALED WEAPON IN PUBLIC WOULD NOT NEED TO GIVE A PROPER CAUSE.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO PUT A DIFFERENT ANGLE TO THIS, RIGHT?

I WAS STUDYING SOME AMICUS BRIEFS, THE FRIENDS BRIEF AND TWO BRIEFS STOOD OUT.

ONE WAS BY BLACK GUNS MATTER, NO RELATION TO BLACK LIVES MATTER.

AND ANOTHER ONE WAS A GUN WOMAN SHOOTING LEAGUE AND ARMED EQUALITY.

HERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING MINORITIES HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY DENIED THROUGH DISCRETIONARY METHODS, GUNS, SO THERE IS AN ANGLE THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE KINDS OF DISCRETIONARY METHODS HAVE TAKEN AWAY GUNS FROM PEOPLE WHO CERTAIN PEOPLE DON'T LIKE: MINORITIES, LGBTQ AND SO ON.

MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT IT'S NOT SO STRAIGHTFORWARD.

WE HAD A MASSIVE SHOOTING ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.

IT'S CONTINUING.

THE COURT HAS BEEN KIND OF RESPONSIVE TO DEMOCRACY, SO I'M NOT SURE IT WILL COMPLETELY OVERRULE BUT NEW YORK MIGHT NEED TO REWRITE ITS LAWS.

>> AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THAT, OF COURSE, IS THAT IN TERMS OF MINORITIES AND GUNS, IS THAT CALIFORNIA, THE LAWS WERE TIGHT ERNED BACK IN THE LATE 60s WHEN THE BLACK PANTHERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF LAWS AND PUBLICLY CARRIED WEAPONS.

>> LEGALLY.

YEAH.

>> LEGALLY, ABSOLUTELY.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAID WE DON'T WANT THAT AND... >> REAGAN CAME BACK... >> AND WERE TIGHTENED UP.

THIS IS THE FLIP.

>> THAT IS RIGHT AND THESE BRIEFS-- SO IT IS A COMPLICATED ARGUMENT.

BUT I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE POLICE OFFICERS AND HAVE READ THEIR, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEWS, IT'S A NIGHTMARE FOR NEW YORK CITY POLICE.

THEY'RE PROTECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY.

IT'S A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE TO HAVE JUST PEOPLE SHOWING AROUND WITH GUNS.

>> IT COULD BE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN UPSTATE AND DOWNSTATE IN THAT CASE.

LET'S TURN TO MICHAEL IN THIS.

WHAT CASE ARE YOU WATCHING.

>> NOT AS SHINY AND SPECTACULAR AS A LOT OF THE OTHER CASES BUT BURGER VS.

THE NAACP.

AND THIS IS A CASE THAT IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER STATE LEGISLATURES HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERVENE IN A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA CONCERNING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE STATE'S VOTER I.D.

LAWS.

WHAT IS CONCERNING ABOUT IT IS THAT THEY'RE PUSHING BACK ABOUT THE IDEA BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAPPENS TO BE BLACK AND A DEMOCRAT.

TO ME THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CASE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF LONG-TERM REALITY OF G.O.P.

STATE LEGISLATURES ATTEMPTING TO OVEREXTEND THEIR LIMITED AUTHORITY.

>> SO IN THIS CASE, WHAT ACTUALLY IS AT ISSUE IN THAT CASE?

THE VOTER I.D.

LAW OR THE LEGISLATURE.

>> WHETHER THE STATE LEGISLATURES HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERVENE IN A CASE THAT'S ALREADY BEING REPRESENTED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE.

>> THAT COULD APPLY TO ALL SORTS OF CASES OR ALL SORTS OF SITUATIONS, NOT JUST THE VOTER I.D.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S A BIG PLACES LIKE THE SWAMP LANDS OF LOUISIANA, THE MISSISSIPPI DEALT A, APPALACHIA THAT HAVE A LOT OF AREAS OF CONCENTRATION OF BLACK POVERTY UNDERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF BLACK VOTING.

>> NOW, BEN,.

>> WOULD I GO BACK TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

THE ISSUES WITH THAT.

>> THE NEW YORK CASE.

>> HERE IS WHY.

THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON OUR FIRST AMENDMENT.

WE CANNOT INCITE RIOTS, CERTAIN THINGS WE CANNOT DO.

IT DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ANY TYPE OF ARMS AND ANYWHERE.

I BELIEVE IN THE PROTECTION OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EXTENDS TO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING AND WE ARE SEEING THE RESULTS OF THE CULT TUR THAT WE ARE IN-- THE CULTURE THAT WE ARE IN WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO HARM AND WANT TO DO MASS AMOUNT OF HARM IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THE POLICE CAN INTERCEDE.

>> SO YOU WOULD HOPE, I GUESS THAT NEW YORK LAW BE UPHELD AND THAT THERE ARE STILL LIMITS ON YOUR ABILITY TO CARRY A WEAPON OUTSIDE THE HOME, WHICH IS WHAT THAT IS ABOUT, TO TRANSPORT A WEAPON?

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN IF THE SUPREME COURT IS SAYING HEY, THE STATES NEED TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO RULE ON ABORTION, BUT THEN THEY SWITCH AND THEY SAY WELL, THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT FOR SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUES, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT'S INCONSISTENT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SEEING.

INCONSISTENCY WITH THAT DRAFT OF THE ABORTION VERSES WHAT IS BEING THOUGHT THEY'RE GOING TO RULE WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

>> -- FOR OUR FINAL TOPIC TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO RESURRECT AN OLD FEATURE-THE IVORY TOWER SUMMER READING LIST.

THE WEATHER IS WARMING UP AND WE CAN IMAGINE OURSELVES SITTING ON THE BEACH WITH A GOOD BOOK.

WHAT'S A BOOK WE'VE READ THAT WE'D RECOMMEND FOR OUR VIEWERS, AND WHAT'S ON OUR READING LIST THIS SUMMER?

CHAD, WE'LL BEGIN WITH YOU.

>> I'M GOING TO EMBARRASSINGLY CONFESS SOMETHING VERY ANTIINTELLECTUAL HERE AND THAT'S THAT I DON'T TYPICALLY READ FOR PLEASURE.

I LIKE TO SPEND MY FREE TIME DOING ACTIVE AND SOCIAL THINGS WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND I THINK READING IS SORT OF PASSIVE AND SOLITARY BUT THAT SAID, IF I HAD TO PICK A BOOK, SO I WOULD CHOOSE SURVIVAL OF THE CITY BY ED GLAZER AND DAVID CUTLER.

IT'S A SEQUEL TO TRIUMPH OF THE CITY 10 YEARS AGO, THE EARLIER BOOK DESCRIBED THE IMPORTANCE OF CITIES OF IDEAS EXCHANGE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND CULTURAL EXCHANGE.

THE FOLLOW-UP IMAGINES WHAT COULD HAPPEN, WHAT COULD BE LOST IN A POST COVID WORLD IF WE DO MORE REMOTE WORK AND THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN THAT.

>> YOU ARE WITH A REAL PAGE TURNER THERE.

>> I'M AN ECONOMIST AT HEART.

I LIKE DATA.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHARTS TO SHOW.

ANIRBAN?

>> MY TWO BOOKS, ONE I JUST FINISHED AND I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT BOOK, GREGORY AND IT'S CALLED DRONE THEORY.

IT LAYS OUT YOU KNOW, THE NEW ERA OF DRONE WARFARE, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO COMBATANTS AND NON-COMBATANTS, JUST AND UNJUST WAR AND THE SECOND BOOK I AM READING NOW GIVEN TO ME BY MY FRIEND CLARENCE TAYLOR AND THE BOOK IS "FIGHT THE POWER AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE LONG HISTORY OF POLICE BRUTALITY IN NEW YORK."

AND WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT HE SHOWS HOW THE BLACK COMMUNITY SINCE THE 1940S HAS BEEN ORGANIZING, YOU KNOW, MAGAZINES LIKE PEOPLE'S VOICE AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY AND A KILLER COMAP TER ON RUDY GIULIANI WHICH YOU CAN'T STOP READING.

EXCELLENT READ FOR SUMMER.

>> AND GIULIANI GETS IN SOME QUARTERS, A LOT OF CREDIT FOR LOWERING THE CRIME RATE IN NEW YORK CITY WHEN HE WAS MAYOR.

AND I'M TAKING IT THAT THIS BOOK IS SUGGESTING THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THOSE REASONS INVOLVED VERY AGGRESSIVE POLICING.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

BUT IT ALSO LOOKS AT HOW AFRICAN-AMERICANS ORGANIZED, THEY WERE DIVIDED AMONGST THEMSELVES SO IT GIVES AN ORGANIC IDEA ABOUT WHAT THIS KIND OF STRUGGLE LOOKED LIKE FROM 1940S UP UNTIL MAYOR DE BLASIO.

>> AND BEN, YOUR LIST.

>> ALL RIGHT SO MY LIST IS BOOK CALLED "CRIMINAL SHADOWS" I READ THIS BOOK WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER INITIALLY THE FIRST TIME.

AND GOT ME INTERESTED IN INVESTIGATIVE PSYCHOLOGY.

IF YOU ARE AT ALL INTERESTED IN FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRACES THAT ARE LEFT AT A CRIME SCENE, THIS IS THE BOOK FOR YOU.

IT READ LIKE A NOVEL BUT IT'S ALL TRUE.

>> THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

DOES IT READ LIKE A NOVEL BECAUSE SO FAR WE ARE GIVING PRETTY HEAVY READING TO OUR VIEWERS.

>> I'M WAITING FOR THE FIRST FICTION BOOK TO COME UP.

>> I'VE GOT ONE ON MY LIST.

MICHAEL.

>> SPEAKING OF HEAVY READING, TURNING BACK TO THE CLASSICS, CLASSICS IN AMERICA.

HE HE WAS A TBRERCH MARCH WHO SAID AMERICA HAS A GREAT POSSIBILITY AS AN INDUSTRIAL POWER HOUSE BUT IS GOING TO FAIL MISERABLY IN ATTEMPT TO BE A HETEROGENEOUS SOCIETY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY TREAT SLAVES.

AND THE SOULS OF BLACK FOLKS WRITTEN BY THE FIRST BLACK AMERICAN WHO GRADUATED FROM HARVARD IN 1985, DO YOU BOY AND HE DUBOISE, HE SAID THE PROBLEM IN THIS CENTURY IS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM WITH THE COLOR LINE AND HE WAS CORRECT.

>> IN MY LIST, A BOOK THAT I RECOMMEND IS INTERESTING READING, "SAY NOTHING"" BY PATRICK RAND KEEFE SUGGESTED BY MY BOSTON BOINL.

IT READS LIKE A ILLEGAL THRILLER.

IT GETS BEYOND THE NORTHERN IRELAND TO MORE PERSONAL STREET LEVEL VIEW OF THE TROUBLES AND SOME OF WHAT LED TO THE TROUBLES.

AND FOR A BOOK I'M GOING TO READ THIS SUMMER,I WALKED INTO BARNES & NOBLE.

I HAD SOME TIME TO KILL AND ON DISPLAY WAS AN OLD CLASSIC, Dr. SHI VAG VE HIVAGO.

I SAW THE MOVIE WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER AND FELL IN LOVE WITH JULIE KRISTI AND I JUST STARTED READING THE BOOK AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO THE As AND FS AND BEGIN WITH CHAD AND YOUR F PLEASE.

>> MY F GOES TO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF PROGRESSIVE ECONOMIC POLICY.

THERE IS A NEW ECONOMIC STUDY OUT THAT ARGUES THAT FIRMS HAVE RESPONDED TO MINIMUM WAGE LEGISLATION NOT BY DECREASING TOTAL HOURS OF EMPLOYMENT, BUT RATHER BY DECREASING BOTH HOURS AND WAGE COMPENSATION PER EMPLOYEE.

AND IF THAT IS NOT BAD ENOUGH, IT ALSO REDUCES THE PERCENTAGE OF WORKERS ELIGIBLE FOR RETIREMENT AND HEALTH BENEFITS AS WELL.

>> ANIRBAN, YOUR F?

>> MY F GOES TO CARL PALADINO RUNNING AS A NEW YORK REPUBLICAN FROM NEW YORK 23 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

HE HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID ABOUT HOW YOUNG CHILDREN ARE BRAIN WASHED FOR BEING GAY AND HE HAS ALWAYS SAID MICHELLE OBAMA SHOULD BE DROPPED IN THE OUTBACKS OF ZIMBABWE AND HAS SUPPORTED HITLER IN A RECENT INTERVIEW THAT CAME OUT.

HE WAS SAYING THAT WE NEED MORE LEADERS LIKE HITLER AND HE IS GOING TO BE RUNNING FOR NEW YORK 23.

BUT I THINK HE IS GOING LOSE.

>> BEN, YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO EVERY STATE THAT DOES NOT HAVE JUST ONE TYPE OF DRIVER'S LICENSE.

HERE IN NEW YORK, THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF DRIVER'S LICENSE.

CONGRESS PASSED THE REAL I.D.

ACT IN 2005 ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO AND IN 2023, SOME ARBITRARY DATE IN MAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF I.D.

IN ORDER TO GET ON A DOMESTIC FLIGHT.

>> I GUESS I BETTER HURRY UP AND GET THAT.

MICHAEL.

YOUR F. >> MY F GOES TO BORIS JOHNSON WHO REFUSED TO RESIGN AND FOR BEING IN MY VIEW, THE POSTER BOARD WITH WHAT IS WRONG WITH MODERN POLITICAL FIGURES AND THEIR LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY, HUBRIS AND GENERAL DISRESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE THE INTERESTS THEY'RE CHOSEN TO SERVE.

>> WE'LL GO TO OUR AS NOW AND CHAD WHO GETS YOUR A THIS WEEK?

>> I LIKE TO EXTEND AN A AND THANK YOU TO SIR PAUL MCCARTNEY FOR PLAYING AN AMAZING SHOW IN SYRACUSE LAST WEEK INSTEAD OF PERFORMING FOR THE QUEEN DURING HER PLATINUM JUBILEE.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHENEVER A BIG ACT COMES INTO TOWN.

I DON'T THINK IT GETS MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS.

MY KIDS CAN SAY THEY SANG WITH A BEATLE.

A GREAT EARLY BIRTHDAY PRESENT FOR MY DAUGHTER CLAIRE.

>> THE CLIP WAS PLAYING A WINGS SONG.

LIVE OR LET DIE.

>> AMAZING.

>> THAT'S BEAUTIFUL ACTUALLY, CHAD.

MY A GOES TO AN EX-POLICE OFFICER FROM THE BUFFALO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HER UNTIRING STRUGGLE FOR JUSTICE.

IN 2006 SHE STOPPED A WHITE POLICE OFFICER FROM CHOKE HOLDING A HANDCUFFED BLACK MAN.

THE DEPARTMENT, NOT UNSURPRISINGLY, FIRED HER WITHOUT PAY OFF TWO YEARS FOR 15 YEARS SHE FOUGHT FOR JUSTICE AND FINALLY THE NEW YORK SUPREME COURT LAST YEAR SAID THAT THIS IS WRONG.

ALL HER PAY AND PENSION HAVE TO BE REINSTATED AND NOW SHE IS WORKING FOR TOWARDS THE LAW TO BECOME NATIONAL LAW WHERE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE DUTY TO INTERVENE.

>> BEN.

>> MY A GOES TO VIRGINIA WHO JOINED 20 OTHER STATES AND BANNING TRAFFIC TICKET QUOTAS.

THE SENATE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS STILL ON THE BOOKS THAT IT WAS ALLOWED.

>> AND MICHAEL, YOUR A.

>> K-12 TEACHERS WHO ARE ALWAYS ASKED TO BE OTHER THINGS THAN TEACHERS WITH CONSTANT ATTACKS FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF PUBLICATION.

THEY'RE ASKED TO BE ARMED GUARDS IN THE CLASSROOM AND NOW THEY MANAGED TO FINISH THE SCHOOL YEAR.

I SALUTE AMERICA'S TEACHERS AND MY WIFE ANDREA TEACHES FOURTH GRADE.

>> WE SHOULD SALUTE ALL AMERICA'S TEACHERS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

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I'M DAVID CHANATRY.

FOR ALL OF US AT "IVORY TOWER."

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.