>> Neisloss: I'M LIZ NEISLOSS.

TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON:" AFTER A YEAR OF TORRENTIAL SNOW, RAIN, DROUGHTS, AND HURRICANES, FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS ON THE CLIMATE FRONT.

I'LL TALK TO AN INTERNATIONALLY-KNOWN EXPERT ABOUT HOW FAR WE'VE COME, AND HOW FAR WE STILL HAVE TO GO.

THEN, A LOOK AT THE EXPLOSIVE REVELATIONS COMING OUT OF PRINCE HARRY'S NEW MEMOIR, "SPARE," AND WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE ROYAL FAMILY, AND THE REST OF US.

♪♪ >> NEISLOSS: USUALLY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, IT'S ABOUT BAD NEWS, FROM RISING TEMPERATURES TO WORSENING EXTREME WEATHER, LIKE THE EXTREME DROUGHT-TURNED-EXTREME FLOOD NOW PLAGUING MUCH OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

BUT NOW, IT SEEMS WE HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS.

A NEW UNITED NATIONS-BACKED REPORT FOUND THAT THE EARTH'S OZONE LAYER IS ON TRACK TO RECOVER COMPLETELY WITHIN DECADES, THANKS TO OZONE-DEPLETING CHEMICALS BEING PHASED OUT ACROSS THE WORLD.

INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION HAS HELPED ALLEVIATE THE DAMAGE.

JOINING ME TO DISCUSS IS AN INTERNATIONAL LEADER ON THE ISSUE OF OZONE DAMAGE.

SUSAN SOLOMON IS A PROFESSOR OF ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE AT M.I.T., AND THE CHAIR OF THE UNIVERSITY'S PROGRAM IN ATMOSPHERES, OCEANS AND CLIMATE.

HER RESEARCH WAS CRITICAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHY THE OZONE HOLE OCCURS IN ANTARCTICA.

>> Neisloss: SUSAN SOLOMON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

PERHAPS WE CAN START WITH JUST A VERY BASIC REMINDER TO THE AUDIENCE OF WHY A HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER MATTERS.

>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.

UM...YEAH, THE OZONE LAYER IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO LIFE ON EARTH.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT, WE WOULD ALL BE BURNED TO A CRISP BY THE SUN'S ULTRA ULTRA VIOLET.

IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN SUNBURNED, YOU KNOW IT CAN GIVE YOU SKIN CANCER, YOU CAN DIE.

SO THE OZONE LAYER IS CRITICAL TO KEEP SAFE AND HEALTHY.

>> Neisloss: SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED?

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US, IS THIS REALLY THE END OF THE PROBLEM?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

>> WONDERFUL THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.

PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND DECIDED TO PHASE OUT THE CHEMICALS THAT WERE ACTUALLY CAUSING THE OZONE DEPLETION TO OCCUR.

THOSE CHEMICALS ARE CALLED MAINLY CHLOROFLORO CARABINS, AND WE USED TO HAVE THEM IN SPRAY CANS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

PUBLIC PRESSURE, PARTICULARLY IN THE UNITED STATES, LED TO THE PHASE OUT OF THE FLUORO CARBONS IN SPRAY CANS.

BUT WE'RE NOW IN A SITUATION WHERE THE WHOLE WORLD, AND THAT INCLUDES INDIA, CHINA, EVERYBODY, IS NOT PRODUCING THESE CHEMICALS IN SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS ANYMORE, SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS.

WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THE OZONE LAYER HAS SLOWLY STARTED TO HEAL.

IT TAKES A LONG TIME BECAUSE THE CHEMICALS LAST IN THE ATMOSPHERE IS SOME 50 TO 100 YEARS AFTER WE PUT THEM IN.

>> Neisloss: WE'RE GOING TO REMIND THE AUDIENCE HOW MUCH THIS WILL MEAN THAT THE OZONE LAYER WILL GO BACK TO 1980 LEVELS BY 2040 FOR MOST OF THE WORLD.

THE TIMEFRAME FOR RECOVERY IN THE ARCTIC IS A BIT LONGER.

IT IS ESTIMATED AT 2045 OVER THE ARCTIC, AND 20660 THE ANTARCTIC.

IS THAT FAST ENOUGH TO HELP THE DAMAGE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE?

>> IT IS HUGE.

BECAUSE I THINK THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO PUT IN CONTEXT IS IF WE HADN'T STARTED PHASING OUT THOSE CHEMICALS, THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT INCREASING BY AN EXPONENTIAL RATE.

BY NOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD MASSIVE OZONE LOSSES ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

SO THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE.

WE DO HAVE SOME OZONE LOSS, AND IT IS GOING TO GET BETTER, AS YOU SAID, SLOWLY, BUT, UM, EVENTUALLY WE WILL HAVE A HEALED OZONE LAYER.

WE'RE ALREADY SEEING SIGNS OF RECOVERY.

AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT.

THERE IS NO REMOVING THOSE CHEMICALS ONCE THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE ATMOSPHERE.

>> Neisloss: SO THERE ARE OTHER CHEMICALS, THOUGH, THAT ARE DISCUSSED THAT SEEM TO HAVE TAKEN THE PLACE OF CHLOROFLURO CARABINS, USED IN REFRIGERATORS, IS THERE STILL CHEMICALS WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT?

>> CHAMPION, THE INCREDIBLY GOOD NEWS IS WHAT THE PROTOCOL ON THE OZONE LAYER HAS ACHIEVED IS THAT THE COMPOUNDS THAT REPLACED THOSE ARE GREENHOUSE GASES.

SO THEY CONTRIBUTE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

SO IF WE WERE TO KEEP PRODUCING THEM AT THE RATES WE WOULD EXPECT, BY 2050, THEY PROBABLY WOULD CAUSE SOMETHING LIKE A THIRD TO A HALF DEGREE CELSIUS OF EXTRA WARMING, SO ALMOST A FULL DEGREE FAHRENHEIT OF EXTRA WARMING, BUT WE'VE ALSO STARTED PHASING THEM OUT.

THIS IS THE PROTOCOL THAT KEEPS ON GIVING.

IT IS NOW CONTRIBUTING TO COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE.

>> Neisloss: SO ARE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS BREAKING OUT THE CHAMPAGNE, LOCALLY SOURCED, OF COURSE, BUT IS THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, BASICALLY, I THINK WE'RE ALL QUITE AMAZED BY THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN MADE.

PEOPLE, AS I SAID, THE ACTION OF THE PUBLIC IN KICK-START THIS PATHWAY TO IMPROVEMENT WAS CRITICAL IN THIS.

WE HAD A LOT OF VERY GOOD COOPERATION FROM INDUSTRY, ACTUALLY.

THEY WERE AGAINST IT IN THE BEGINNING, BUT OVER TIME THEY ADJUSTED THEIR THINKING AND BEGAN TO REALIZE THERE WAS MUCH MORE TO BE GAINED BY BEING SERIOUS ABOUT IMPROVING THE PLANET.

SO IT IS REALLY CAUSE FOR CELEBRATION.

AND, YES, WE'RE QUITE DELIGHTED.

I THINK THE THING TO NOT BE MISLED BY IS FROM YEAR TO YEAR, YOU MIGHT HEAR THAT WE HAD A COLDER THAN NORMAL YEAR IN THE ANTARCTIC, WHICH WOULD CAUSE INCREASED OZONE LOSS.

SO IT WILL STILL GO UP AND DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM ONE YEAR TO ANOTHER.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOME VOLCANOS, AND THEY GIVE YOU A LITTLE EXTRA OZONE LOSS, SO DON'T BE MISLED BY A BLIP, I GUESS, BUT EXPECT TO SEE THINGS BE A LOT BETTER.

DON'T TAKE YOUR SUNSCREEN OFF RIGHT NOW.

WAIT FOR A FEW DECADES.

>> Neisloss: WAIT FOR A FEW DECADES?

PEOPLE MAY BE A BIT CONFUSED BY THIS AND THINK THAT THE CLIMATE PROBLEM IS REALLY COMING TO A CLOSE.

THEY MAY CONFUSE THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE OZONE WITH JUST ISSUES RELATED TO GREENHOUSE GASES, GENERALLY.

CAN YOU SPELL THAT OUT?

I THINK THERE WILL BE CONFUSION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THERE WILL BE, AND THAT'S PERFECTLY NATURAL.

BUT THE MAIN THING CAUSING OUR CLIMATE TO CHANGE IS OUR EMISSION OF CARBON DIOXIDE, MAINLY FROM FOSSIL FUEL BURNING, AND TO A LESSER EXTENT FROM DEFORESTATION.

THAT IS A SEPARATE PROBLEM.

SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE HAD WE NOT PHASED OUT THESE EXTRA MOLECULES, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE CLIMATE CHANGE WILL BE TO DRASTICALLY REDUCE OUR EMISSIONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE.

THERE IS NO WAY AROUND IT.

>> Neisloss: SO THE POLITICAL WILL, AS YOU POINTED OUT, AROUND THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL, WHICH WAS THIS INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT CAME INTO FORCE IN THE LATE '80s, THERE WAS UNUSUAL COHESION AND AGREEMENT BY GOVERNMENTS.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT NOW ON OTHER ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO TACKLING CLIMATE CHANGE, STARTING WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD?

>> YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK THAT IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.

THAT WAS A KEY PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS ON THE OZONE LAYER, AND IT IS CONTINUING TO BE A KEY PART OF DISCUSSIONS ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

BUT I THINK CLEARLY SCIENCE ALONE IS NEVER ENOUGH.

IT IS ALWAYS NECESSARY, BUT IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

THE SCIENCE HAS ADVANCED IN BOTH AREAS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO PERCEIVE HOW THEIR CLIMATE IS CHANGING.

SO MY ADVICE TO PEOPLE IS, GO OUTSIDE AND ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE IT YOURSELF.

THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOUR SUMMERS ARE HOTTER THAN THEY USED TO BE, WHETHER YOUR NIGHTS ARE HOTTER THAN THEY USED TO BE.

THEY ALMOST CERTAINLY ARE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

AND, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE MASSIVE PROBLEMS IN CERTAIN PLACES WITH HEAVY RAINFALL GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN CALIFORNIA, IT IS HORRENDOUS.

THAT IS ACTUALLY ALSO PROBABLY EXACERBATED BY CLIMATE CHANGE.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE SAME WAY WE THOUGHT ABOUT OZONE.

AS A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE TO ENGAGE WITH AND ALSO AS A PROBLEM FOR INDUSTRY TO ACTUALLY TAKE REALLY SERIOUSLY.

I THINK THAT'S THE HARD PART.

>> Neisloss: OKAY.

YEP.

>> THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY HAS HAD TO BE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE -- >> Neisloss: DRAGGED TO THE TABLE MAY BE MORE APT.

A VERY QUICK FINAL QUESTION FOR YOU: MAURA HEALEY IS APPOINTING A CLIMATE CHIEF, AND SHE IS THE FIRST GOVERNOR IN A STATE TO DO SO.

YOU UNDERSTAND THE GLOBAL IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND WORKING WITH OTHER GLOBAL LEADERS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK A GOVERNOR CAN DO TO HAVE AN IMPACT MORE BROADLY, EVEN OUTSIDE OF MASSACHUSETTS.

WHAT CAN ONE GOVERNOR'S ACTIONS DO?

>> WELL, CERTAINLY STATE REGULATIONS PLAY A BIG ROLE IN DRIVING THE MARKET.

WHEN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS GREATLY INCENTIVIZES ELECTRIC VEHICLES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOLAR POWER OR HEAT PUMPS, WHICH WE ARE DOING WITH THE HELP OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN SOME CASES, BUT NOT ALWAYS.

WE'RE DOING EXTRA ON OUR OWN, WHICH IS GREAT.

WHAT THAT DOES IS TO INCREASE THE MARKET FOR THOSE THINGS.

AND AS THE MARKET GETS BIGGER, THE COSTS GO DOWN.

AND THEN OTHER PLACES WILL ADOPT IT AS WELL.

PLUS, IT PUTS PRESSURE ON THE INDUSTRY TO -- TO ALL OF THOSE INDUSTRIES, THE VEHICLE INDUSTRY, THE SOLAR INDUSTRY, ETC., TO DEVELOP MORE CHEAP OPTIONS FOR CONSUMERS.

>> Neisloss: ALL RIGHT, SUSAN -- >> THE MORE CONSUMERS DO THAT, THE MORE WE PROMOTE IT.

>> Neisloss: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE, DR. SOLOMON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

NEXT UP, WE'VE HEARD A LOT LATELY FROM THE DUKE OF SUSSEX, FORMALLY KNOWN AS PRINCE HARRY, AND HIS WIFE, MEGHAN MARKLE.

THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF REVELATIONS BY THE PAIR SINCE THEIR EXIT FROM THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY-- AN OPRAH INTERVIEW, A PODCAST, AND RECENTLY, THE NETFLIX DOCU-SERIES, APTLY CALLED "HARRY AND MEGHAN."

>> IT'S REALLY HARD TO LOOK BACK ON IT NOW AND GO, "WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED?"

YOU KNOW, THERE'S LEAKING, BUT THERE'S ALSO PLANTING OF STORIES.

THERE WAS A WAR AGAINST MEGHAN, TO SUIT OTHER PEOPLE'S AGENDAS.

IT'S ABOUT HATRED.

IT'S ABOUT RACE.

IT'S A DIRTY GAME.

THE PAIN AND SUFFERING OF WOMEN MARRYING INTO THIS INSTITUTION, THIS FEEDING FRENZY.

I REALIZED, "THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO PROTECT YOU."

>> NEISLOSS: NOW, THERE'S MORE: HARRY'S LONG-AWAITED NEW MEMOIR, "SPARE," AS IN "THERE'S AN HEIR, WILLIAM, AND A SPARE, HARRY."

CERTAINLY PLENTY OF FODDER FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN THE ROYALS, BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT.

JOINING ME NOW IS "BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST RENEÉE GRAHAM, WHO ARGUES THERE'S SOME UNIVERSALITY TO HARRY AND MEGHAN'S STORY, WRITING IN HER LATEST COLUMN: "WHEN IT COMES TO BRITAIN'S ROYAL FAMILY, MANY SEEM TO FORGET THAT THE OPERATIVE WORD THERE ISN'T ROYAL; IT'S FAMILY."

AND ALSO JOINING THE CONVERSATION, NADA TAWFIK, NORTH AMERICAN CORRESPONDENT FOR THE BBC.

NADA HAS COVERED THE ROYAL VISITS TO THE U.S., AND I'M TOLD WAS IN A NEW YORK BOOKSTORE WHEN "SPARE" CAME OUT.

NADA, WHAT KIND OF REACTION WERE YOU SEEING?

>> YEAH, WELL, I THINK THERE IS A VERY DIFFERENT REACTION IN THE UNITED STATES TO PRINCE HARRY AND HIS DECISION TO COME OUT WITH WHAT HE CALLS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY COMPARED TO THE REACTION THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE U.K. OF COURSE IN THE U.K., IT IS THEIR ROYAL FAMILY.

IT IS THE OLDEST INSTITUTION THERE.

SO THERE IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONNECTION.

AMERICANS HERE LOOK AT THE ROYAL FAMILY MORE FROM THE ANGLE OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO ROYAL FAMILY HERE.

THEY'RE SEEN A BIT AS CELEBRITIES.

THERE IS INTEREST IN THE INTRIGUE AND THE FAMILY DYNAMICS.

AND WHEN I SPOKE TO READERS, I MEAN, IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THEY DIDN'T JUST REFLECT ON THE REVELATIONS AND LEAKS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, BUT THEY'VE REALLY SPOKEN ABOUT THEIR -- I REALLY NOTICED THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THOSE WHO SAID PERHAPS HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT SOME OF THESE DETAILS PRIVATE.

THEY ARE ULTIMATELY A FAMILY WHO DESERVE TO NOT HAVE THEIR BUSINESS AIRED OUT IN PUBLIC.

COMPARED TO THOSE WHO SAY, LOOK, I THINK HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO TELL HIS STORY, GIVEN HE FEELS HE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT BACK IN HIS HOME COUNTRY, GIVEN HIS ALLEGATIONS THAT LEAKS WOULD OFTEN HIDE HIS PERSPECTIVE, AND THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY WOULD ALLEGEDLY LEAK AGAINST HIM.

SO THERE WAS A DIVIDE AMONGST READERS HERE IN THE U.S. >> Neisloss: RENEE, YOU'RE VERY MUCH IN THE CAMP THIS IS FAMILY NEWS, FAMILY STORIES, THAT HAVE TO BE SHARED, THAT SHOULD BE SHARED.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE IDEA THAT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET THAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HIS FAMILY.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IN HIS FAMILY IS ALSO HIS STORY.

AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW HE SHOULD CONTINUE TO HOLD THESE SECRETS WHEN THERE IS ALREADY SO MUCH OUT THERE ABOUT THE ROYAL FAMILY, AND USUALLY PEOPLE LIKE HARRY DON'T GET TO TELL THEIR OWN STORY.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.

I ALSO THINK IT IS INTEREST TOGETHER A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HE HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED IN SOME OF HIS INTERVIEWS, WHERE HE IS TALKING ABOUT NOT LIKING CAMILLA, HIS STEPMOTHER, WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HIS FATHER WHEN HE WAS MARRIED TO PRINCESS DIANA, AND THAT HE AND HIS BROTHER AREN'T GETTING ALONG AND HAD PHYSICAL FIGHTS, THAT'S FAMILY.

THAT'S THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK.

I THINK THERE IS A KIND OF SENSE THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT FAMILY IS THIS INFALLIBLE UNIT AND YOU TAKE WHAT IS DEALT TO YOU.

THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY REFRESHING ABOUT THE FACT HE IS SAYING, NO, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY FAMILY, WHAT IT HAS DONE TO ME, HOW I FIT INTO ALL OF THIS, AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE MUCH BROADER SENSE FOR THE LIFE HE WANTS TO LIVE WITH HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN.

>> Neisloss: CERTAINLY, RENEE, WE ALREADY KNEW THEY WERE HUMAN, SINCE CHARLES AND DIANA, AND CHARLES PROFESSING HIS LOVE TO CAMILLA AND TOE-SUCKING AND SERIOUS INCIDENTS WITH PRINCE ANDREW, VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS OF SEX WITH A MINOR -- WE KNOW THEY ARE VERY HUMAN, WITH ALL OF THE FRAILTIES.

SO IS THERE STILL MERIT, THOUGH, TO SHARING THIS KIND OF FAMILY INSIGHT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS TRUE, BUT THIS IS ALSO A FAMILY KNOWN AS "THE FIRM."

THEY'RE A BUSINESS, THEY'RE AN INSTITUTION.

SO THERE IS SOMETHING JUST BIGGER THAN THESE BLOOD TIES THAT THEY HAVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I CONSTANTLY GO BACK TO, AND I REMEMBER WATCHING ALL OF THE COVERAGE AROUND PRINCESS DIANA'S DEATH, AND THE WAY THEY FED THOSE BOYS TO THE MEDIA AND HAD THEM OUT THERE, KIND OF WORKING THE CROWD LIKE THEY WERE POLITICIANS, AND THERE WAS SOMETHING EVEN THEN SO UNSEEMINGLY TO IT, I FELT THEN IT BORDERED ON CHILD ABUSE.

THEY WERE MOURNING THEIR MOTHER, BUT THERE IS AN IMAGE THE ROYAL FAMILY NEEDS TO PRESENT, ESPECIALLY SINCE PEOPLE FELT THE FAMILY HAD NOT DONE ENOUGH TO ACKNOWLEDGE DIANA'S DEATH -- >> Neisloss: RIGHT.

IT WAS TO SHOW THEIR EMOTION.

THAT WAS A VERY INTERESTING POINT THAT YOU MADE.

NADA, DO YOU THINK THAT SHOWS THE IMPOSSIBLE POSITION OF THE ROYAL FAMILY?

I MEAN THE CHILDREN PARADED TO SHOW THEIR EMOTIONS IN ORDER TO CONNECT WITH THE PUBLIC, TO MAKE A POINT THERE?

OR IS THAT JUST BAD JUDGMENT?

>> WELL, LOOK, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT WHAT PRINCE HARRY HIMSELF HAS TRIED TO EXPLAIN, THERE IS A HIERARCHY TO THE MONARCHY THAT IS VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD BY THE BRITISH PUBLIC.

THEY ARE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

THEY ARE THERE TO SHARE THOSE MOMENTS, TO BE MORE RELATABLE TO PEOPLE IN THE U.K.

SO CERTAINLY I THINK ONE PART OF HIS STORY HAS BEEN THE PAIN, THE FACT THAT HE WAS NEVER ABLE TO GRIEVE THE DEATH OF HIS MOTHER.

THROUGHOUT HIS MEMOIR, YOU SEE HOW THAT AFFECTED HIM THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE.

BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IN THE U.K., WHO ARE CRITICAL OF THIS ACCOUNT, WILL TAKE ISSUE WITH THAT.

I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING ISSUE WITH IS PERHAPS SOME OF THE BIGGER POINTS THAT HE IS TRYING TO MAKE WITH THIS MEMOIR.

SO ATTACKING THE WAY THAT THE PALACE INTERACTS WITH THE BRITISH PRESS.

THE BRITISH PRESS ITSELF, IN FACT.

AND I THINK HE HAS ALSO BROUGHT UP KEY QUESTIONS ABOUT COLONIALISM AND RACE.

SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE SEEING SUCH A HEATED RESPONSE TO THE MEMOIR, TO THE NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT IT IS FORCING MANY PEOPLE IN THE U.K. TO CONFRONT.

I THINK WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THOSE KEY POINTS OF HIS MAY HAVE BEEN GETTING LOST A BIT WITH THE EMOTIONS WE'RE SEEING COMING OUT ABOUT THESE REVELATIONS.

>> Neisloss: IT SEEMS HE CERTAINLY WANTS TO MAKE POINTS ABOUT RACISM AND BRITISH SOCIETY.

RENEE, HARRY SAID IN A RECENT I.T.

INTERVIEW HE DID NOT CALL THE ROYAL FAMILY RACIST IN AN OPRAH INTERVIEW WHERE MEGHAN MARKLE ESSENTIALLY SAY SOME IN THE ROYAL CIRCLE FRETTED OVER THE COLOR OF THE BABY'S SKIN.

BUT HARRY POINTED SAID, IN HIS I.T.

INTERVIEW, THE PRESS WERE THE ONES WHO CALLED IT RACISM, AND HE TOOK PAINS TO CALL IT "UNCONSCIOUS BIAS" THAT CAN BE REMEDY.

IS THAT MAKING A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO HIS TREATMENT?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WHETHER THE BIAS WAS CONSCIOUS OR UNCONSCIOUS, IT WAS RACIST.

IF YOU'RE SITTING AROUND ASKING HOW DARK A CHILD WILL BE BECAUSE THE MOTHER IS BIRACIAL, THAT IS RACIST.

HARRY CAN PARSE THAT ANY WAY HE PLEASES, SURE.

I THINK HE IS NOW TRYING TO BACK OFF THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT BECAME WHAT THE MEDIA FOCUSED ON, THAT HE HAD CALLED THE FAMILY RACIST.

AND THEN PEOPLE WERE ASKING THE FAMILY, ARE YOU RACIST, AND WILLIAM SAID WE'RE VERY MUCH NOT A RACIST FAMILY, WHICH IS A REALLY FUNNY TERM.

I JUST THINK THAT HE IS TRYING TO MAKE IT NOT JUST ABOUT THE FAMILY, BUT ABOUT BROADER BRITISH SOCIETY AS WELL.

ESPECIALLY THE PARTS OF THE MEDIA, THE TABLOID MEDIA, AND HOW THEY LATCHED ON TO HAULING MEGHAN MARKLE OUT OF TOWN.

AND SOMEONE UNNAMED PERSON IN THE ROYA FAMILY WONDERING HOW DARK ARCH CLEE WOULDDARK ARCHIEWOULD SAY.

>> Neisloss: AND YOU HAVE A COLUMN WHERE HE SAID HE HATED MEGHAN ON A CELLULAR LEVEL.

IS THERE A FUNDAMENTAL RACISM IN BRITISH MEDIA, NADA?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE QUESTION NOW THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE U.K. ARE HAVING TO CONFRONT.

I WAS IN BOSTON DURING WILL AND KATE'S FIRST VISIT TO THE UNITED STATES IN MANY YEARS, WHEN THAT CONTROVERSY ERUPTED OVER LADY HUSSY, THE RACISM AROUND BUCKINGHAM PALACE, HER ASKING MS. FELONI ABOUT WHERE SHE WAS REALLY FROM.

WE SAW THE BUCKINGHAM PALACE, WHICH HAS BEEN SILENT THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE REVELATIONS FROM PRINCE HARRY'S MEMOIR, THEY HAVEN'T COMMENTED PUBLICLY, AND THEY PUT OUT A STATEMENT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE SERIOUSNESS OF THAT SITUATION.

I THINK BUCKINGHAM PALACE REALIZES THAT.

SO IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THEY HAVE HAD TO CONFRONT.

I THINK THERE WAS THIS DESIRE IN THE BEGINNING, AMONGST THE PUBLIC, TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT MEGHAN WAS REPRESENTING A MODERN, NEW FACE, BRINGING MORE REPRESENTATION AND DIVERSITY INTO THE ROYAL FAMILY.

AND MANY SAW WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS AN OPPORTUNITY MISSED, THAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN A REAL ASSET TO THE ROYAL FAMILY.

THAT CERTAINLY HASN'T PLAYED OUT THAT WAY.

NOW PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED ABOUT WHO IS AT FAULT FOR THAT IN THE U.K., AND THAT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN PART OF THIS LARGER DISCUSSION.

BUT WHEN I WAS IN BOSTON, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW ALL OF THE TIMING OF THIS PLAYED OUT BECAUSE THIS IS COMING AFTER THE DEATH OF QUEEN ELIZABETH.

SO AT A TIME WHEN THERE IS MORE POSITIVITY TOWARDS THE MONARCHY AND HER YEARS OF SERVICE.

AND IT CAME DURING THAT VISIT WITH WILL AND KATIE.

SO THE TIMING IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN NOTABLE.

>> Neisloss: RENEE, DO YOU THINK THAT A LOT OF THE IMPORTANT POINTS, MAYBE, OF THIS BOOK, THE DYSFUNCTION OF THE ROYAL FAMILY, ABOUT ISSUES OF RACISM, ALL OF THAT -- ARE THEY GOING TO GET LOST IN ALL OF THE SALACIOUS DETAILS THAT HAVE BEEN REVEALED ABOUT FROST BITE ON NETHER REGIONS AND THE FIRST TIME HE HAD SEX.

IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE BECOMING THE ROYAL KARDASHIANS.

IS THAT A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO BRING OUT A DEEPER MESSAGE?

>> THE BOOK COULD TALK ABOUT RACISM ON EVERY SINGLE PAGE, AND PEOPLE WILL FIND A REASON TO AVOID TALKING ABOUT RACE.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY THINGS ARE.

I THINK NOT JUST IN BRITISH SOCIETY; CERTAINLY IN AMERICAN SOCIETY AS WELL.

THESE ARE SUBJECTS THAT PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS.

WHICH IS WHY NOTHING EVER GETS BETTER.

HAVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TO GO DEEP, TO REALLY GET UNDER THE HOOD OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THESE SOCIETIES AND IN THESE INSTITUTIONS, AND NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM SO UNCOMFORTABLE.

SO, YEAH, IT IS GREAT TO TALK ABOUT THE FROSTBITE AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT COURT COURTNEY COX'S HOUSE, BUT WE KNOW THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

NONE OF THIS CAN GET AROUND THE WAY MEGHAN WAS SEATED, AND THE WAY HARRY FELT.

HE DIDN'T SEE BIGOTRY UNTIL HE GOT MARRIED TO A BIRACIAL WOMAN.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SAY.

IT IS EASIER TO SAY THAT HARRY HAS CHANGED.

AND TO SAY THE THINGS THAT JEREMY CLARKSON SAID.

AND THINK ABOUT THE DEPTH OF WHAT HE SAID.

HE HATES HER ON A CELLULAR LEVEL.

WHY?

>> Neisloss: YEAH.

THAT CONVERSATION MAY BE MOVED A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG.

MEGHAN MARKLE REPORTEDLY HAS HER OWN MEMOIR COMING OUT.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

>> NEISLOSS: RENEÉE GRAHAM, NADA TAWFIK, THANKS.

WE'VE TALKED A LOT OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT GOVERNMENT TRANSITIONS, AND TODAY MARKED THE 225TH ANNIVERSARY OF A RATHER UNIQUE TRANSFER HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS-- THAT OF THE "SACRED COD."

LED BY THE GROUP REVOLUTIONARY SPACES, THE EVENT IS JUST AS UNUSUAL AS IT SOUNDS, TRAVELING, TO THE DULCET TONES OF FIFE AND DRUM, FROM THE OLD STATE HOUSE TO THE CURRENT ONE.

ADAM REILLY HAS MORE.

>> REILLY: TO GET A SENSE OF WHY A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DRESSED IN WEIRD COSTUMES JUST CARRIED A BIG WOODEN FISH THROUGH DOWNTOWN BOSTON, YOU'VE GOT TO GO BACK CENTURIES.

MAYBE TO 1602, WHEN ENGLISHMAN BARTHOLOMEW GOSNOLD ARRIVED IN WHAT'S NOW PROVINCETOWN, AND NAMED THE WHOLE PENINSULA CAPE COD, BECAUSE THE WATER WAS TEEMING WITH THE FISH.

OR, TO THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, WHICH WAS PARTLY STOKED BY BRITAIN'S HOSTILITY TO THE BOOMING NEW ENGLAND FISHING INDUSTRY.

OR, TO 1784, WHEN THIS GUY, STATE REP JOHN ROWE, SUGGESTED HANGING A BRAND-NEW COD AT THE OLD STATE HOUSE TO REPLACE ANOTHER ONE THAT DISAPPEARED DURING THE WAR, AS "A MEMORIAL OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COD-FISHERY TO THE WELFARE OF THIS COMMONWEALTH."

OF COURSE, ALL THAT EXPLAINS THE STATUE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE CARRYING IT?

>> WE HEARD PEOPLE CHANTING, "COD FISH, COD FISH."

THEY PROBABLY ASKED THEMSELVES, WHY AM I DOING THIS?

AND WHY IS A COD PARADING THROUGH DOWNTOWN BOSTON?

>> REILLY: DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> NO!

FOLLOW THE COD.

>> REILLY: IT'S A STATE HOUSE THING, COMMEMORATING THE OLD STATE HOUSE, MOVING UP TO THE NEW STATEHOUSE.

>> OHH.

>> THE NEW STATE HOUSE ON THE HILL?

IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER!

>> REILLY: NEW, RELATIVELY SPEAKING.

>> I NEVER THOUGHT I'D BE MARCHING WITH A WOODEN COD, SO.

>> REILLY: YEAH, LIFE COMES AT YOU FAST.

NOW, IF YOU'RE STARTING THE NEW YEAR ON A GRUMPY NOTE, OR YOU HAD TO WAIT WHILE THE FISHWALKERS DID THEIR THING, YOU MIGHT BE ROLLING YOUR EYES AT THIS POINT.

BUT, THE PROCESSION OF THE SO-CALLED "SACRED COD" FROM THE OLD STATE HOUSE TO THE NEW ONE WAS A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE RITUAL, ON A FEW LEVELS.

FOR ONE THING, IT WAS A THROWBACK TO A SIMILAR MARCH THAT HAPPENED 225 YEARS AGO, WHEN THE SEAT OF MASSACHUSETTS GOVERNMENT SHIFTED, MAKING A REMINDER OF HOW RICH MASSACHUSETTS HISTORY IS.

ALSO, THE COD ITSELF IS A SURVIVOR.

BACK IN 1933, THOSE CRAZY KIDS AT THE HARVARD LAMPOON STOLE THE FISH, AND THEN GAVE IT BACK.

AND IF YOU LET YOURSELF GET INTO THE PROCEEDINGS, THE STAGING IS ACTUALLY PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

>> I JUST HAPPENED UPON IT!

I WAS CURIOUS.

I JUST LOVE OUR HISTORY HERE, AND HOW WE'VE PRESERVED IT FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE HERE TO CELEBRATE IT.

>> WE WANTED TO SHOWCASE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN OLD STATE HOUSE AND NEW STATE HOUSE.

FOR THE PARTICIPANTS, IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FEEL THE POWER OF HISTORY THAT CONNECTS US TO THAT IMPORTANT MOMENT IN OUR SHARED PAST.

>> REILLY: PLUS, THE COD'S JOURNEY IS QUICK-- JUST UNDER 15 MINUTES FROM POINT A TO POINT B.

THIS TIME, AFTER THEY DELIVERED THE GOODS, THE MARCHERS GOT TOGETHER FOR SOME LIGHT REFRESHMENT, AND REFLECTION ON A JOB WELL DONE.

FROM YOUR VANTAGE POINT, OF THE BEARER OF THE COD, HOW DID THE MARCH GO?

>> I THOUGHT IT WENT FANTASTIC!

I COULDN'T SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT EVERYONE GOT HERE WITH ME AND THE COD, SO I THINK WE NAILED IT!

>> REILLY: WITH ALL EYES ON YOU, WERE YOU EVER WORRIED YOU MIGHT STUMBLE, YOU WERE SHAKY, THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN INCIDENT WITH THE COD?

>> THERE WAS AN INCIDENT ON SCHOOL STREET WHERE I WASN'T TOTALLY SURE I WAS GOING TO MAINTAIN BALANCE.

IT'S NOT AN EVEN ROAD.

BUT I WAS ABLE TO STABILIZE, GET THE COD WHERE IT NEEDED TO GO.

GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

>> REILLY: FOR THE RECORD, THAT GOOD-LOOKING FISH ISN'T ACTUALLY THE SACRED COD THAT HANGS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, BUT A LOOK-A-LIKE FACSIMILE.

THE FIRST SACRED COD WAS LOST TO A FIRE, THE SECOND WENT MISSING IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR, AND THE THIRD SACRED COD IS DEEMED TOO PRECIOUS TO LEAVE THE BUILDING.

OUTSIDE THE STATEHOUSE, I'M ADAM REILLY, FOR GBH NEWS.

>> NEISLOSS: WE SHOULD ALSO NOTE, THAT WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL COD, BUT RATHER A LOANER, BROUGHT OUT SPECIFICALLY FOR TODAY'S PROCESSION.

THE ORIGINAL COD WAS LOST IN A FIRE.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT THANKS FOR WATCHING.

AND GOOD NIGHT.