>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON": MASS AND CASS MAY BE CLEAR OF TENTS, BUT THE UNDERLYING ISSUES OF ADDICTION AND HOMELESSNESS VERY MUCH REMAIN.

MAYOR MICHELLE WU'S SENIOR ADVISOR ON THE ISSUE, DR. MONICA BHAREL, JOINS ME ON THE CITY'S NEXT STEPS.

THEN, LATER, THE HEAD OF THE NAACP IN BOSTON, TANISHA SULLIVAN, ON HER JUST-ANNOUNCED RUN FOR MASSACHUSETTS SECRETARY OF STATE.

AND, FINALLY, "BOSTON GLOBE" NFL WRITER BEN VOLIN JOINS ME ON WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE PATRIOTS AFTER AN EMBARRASSING END TO THE SEASON AND WHETHER NEW ENGLAND WILL EVER GET OVER THE BRADY BREAKUP.

♪♪ >> Braude: TODAY MARKS ONE WEEK SINCE BOSTON CLEARED THE LAST OF SCORES OF TENTS, AND THE PEOPLE INSIDE THEM, FROM THE AREA KNOWN AS MASS AND CASS.

CITY OFFICIALS SAY THEY'VE PLACED MORE THAN 150 PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN LIVING IN THE ENCAMPMENT INTO SHORT-TERM HOUSING, INCLUDING A 41-BED PROGRAM AT A HOTEL IN MISSION HILL, A 30-UNIT CLUSTER OF TEMPORARY COTTAGES AT SHATTUCK HOSPITAL IN JAMAICA PLAIN, AND A 60-UNIT VACANT HOTEL NEAR MASS AND CASS, IN ADDITION TO MORE TRADITIONAL SHELTER BEDS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T COVER EVERYONE, INCLUDING AT LEAST A FEW PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY HADN'T HEARD FROM ANYONE WITH THE CITY ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS UNTIL EVICTION DAY, AND, OF COURSE, THE TENTS AT MASS AND CASS WERE JUST ONE SYMPTOM OF A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANY TIME SOON, AS MAYOR MICHELLE WU HAS ACKNOWLEDGED.

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE DID NOT SOLVE HOMELESSNESS.

THE PUSH AND THE FIGHT TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE AND MENTAL HEALTH CONTINUES WITH EVEN MORE URGENCY NOW.

>> Braude: I'M JOINED NOW BY THE WOMAN WHO'S LEADING THAT FIGHT, THE MAYOR'S SENIOR ADVISOR ON MASS AND CASS, DR. MONICA BHAREL, FORMER STATE PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSIONER AND FORMER CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER FOR BOSTON HEALTH CARE FOR THE HOMELESS.

>> Braude: DOCTOR, IT IS REALLY GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> Doctor: NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN, JIM.

>> Braude: A WEEK IN, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LIVING NEAR MASS AND CASS CAN YOU ACCOUNT FOR, DOCTOR?

>> Doctor: WHEN YOU SAY ACCOUNT FOR, YOU MEAN -- >> Braude: YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

>> Doctor: SURE.

ABSOLUTELY.

FIRST OFF, THIS APPROACH TO THE SITUATION AT MASS AND CASS WAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

IT WAS FOCUSED ON PUBLIC HEALTH AND EQUITY.

AND THE REASON WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR ANYBODY THERE IS WE DID A PRETTY EXTENSIVE SURVEY OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE BEGINNING OF DECEMBER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR INDIVIDUAL NEEDS WERE, WERE THEIR MEDICAL NEEDS, THEIR ISSUES WITH SUBSTANCE USE, AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS WERE THE ONES WE WERE FOCUSED ON IN FINDING A VIABLE OPTION, A WAY FOR THEM TO BE TRANSITIONED OUT OF THOSE SPACES.

AT THE END OF OUR WORK ON JANUARY 12th, I'M HAPPY STOTO SAYHAPPYTO SAY 154 INDIVIDUALS WERE PLACED IN THOSE PLACES YOU SPOKE ABOUT.

>> Braude: HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS IT NOT A VIABLE OPTION FOR?

>> Doctor: TO EXPLAIN THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE ABOUT OUR TECHNIQUE.

AS YOU MENTIONED, JIM, THESE ENCAMPMENTS ARE A SYMPTOM, RIGHT?

THEY'RE A SYMPTOM OF WHAT IS NOT WORKING AND WHAT IS FAILING WITH OUR SYSTEMS, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE UNSHELTERED, MANY OF WHOM ARE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL ILLNESS OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

THE FIRST APPROACH IS WHY ARE THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOT ABLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE THERE.

WHEN WITH MOVED FORWARD, THE MAYOR SET A DEADLINE -- SHE SAW THE URGENCY OF THIS AND SHE SAID A DEADLINE -- IN ORDER FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, SO IT IS FOCUSED ON THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE LIVING IN THOSE ENCAMPMENTS.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS TALKED TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND SET UP NEW OPTIONS THAT ARE LOW THRESHOLD OPTIONS, WHICH MEANS IT PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH THEIR BASIC NEEDS, AND IT PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.

>> Braude: BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WAS SUCH A VIABLE OPTION NOT MATCHED UP WITH?

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT, DOCTOR.

>> Doctor: RIGHT.

SO, EVERY DAY -- FIRST OF ALL, EVERY DAY OUTREACH STAFF FROM THE CITY AND OTHER NON-PROFIT AND PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS GO TO THESE AREAS AND TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS.

SO ONCE WE STARTED THIS PROJECT ON DECEMBER 15th, WE SPOKE TO INDIVIDUALS EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE.

SOME INDIVIDUALS HAD OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT THEY WERE GOING TO.

SOME INDIVIDUALS COULDN'T DECIDE AT THE TIME.

AND MANY INDIVIDUALS WERE ABLE TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF THESE RESOURCES.

SO IT IS HARD TO PUT NUMBERS ON THAT BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, IT I A TRANSIENT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE OFFERED EVERYBODY A PLACE TO GO IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE ENCAMPMENTS.

THE GOAL OF THE ENCAMPMENT-MOVING, BY THE WAY, WAS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THERE.

BECAUSE HAVING SPENT SO MUCH TIME THERE, I CAN TELL YOU, JIM, THE LIVING SITUATIONS THERE WERE ATROCIOUS, UNSAFE, AND NOT FIT FOR PEOPLE.

>> Braude: DO YOU AND THE MAYOR KNOW WHAT THE STAGE IS FOR THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT AND WANT IT?

OR NO?

>> Doctor: THIS SOLUTIONS ARE TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS.

AND NOW THE WORK IS HAPPENING TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO RESTRUCTURE OUR SYSTEM.

AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TO SHARE ON THAT AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE TO FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

BUT IT IS HOW TO RESTRUCTURE OUR EXISTING SYSTEM SO THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE UNSHELTERED, OFTEN SUFFERING FROM SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER, HAVE A VIABLE OPTION OF WHERE THEY CAN GO?

>> Braude: IS LONG ISLAND IN THE FUTURE MIX.

THE MAYOR WENT OUT THERE, AND WASN'T CRAZY ABOUT A REOPENING DURING THE CAMPAIGN, SEEMED TO SAY IT WAS A POSSIBILITY, IMMEDIATE OR LONG-TERM -- IS IT AN OPTION?

>> Doctor: ALL OPTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.

AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR IMMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM OPTIONS, CAN LONG ISLAND FIT INTO THAT?

WE NEED TO SEE IF WE CAN TRANSFER PEOPLE SAFELY, AND WHAT LEVEL OF STABILITY PEOPLE NEED TO BE IN.

THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WE ARE SERVING ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE VERY FRAGILE, HAVE MEDICAL ISSUES AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CARED FOR.

WE MEET EVERY DAY WITH THE PROVIDERS OF THESE PROGRAMS.

AND THESE TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS ARE ALLOWING THEM TO MEET SOME BASIC NEEDS OF SHELTER, FOOD, SUPPORT, SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN TO ADDRESS THOSE MEDICAL NEEDS, THOSE ADDICTION NEEDS, THOSE MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS, AND TO REINTEGRATE WITH SOCIETY.

>> Braude: ONE OPTION THAT WAS NEVER SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED, SHERIFF THOMPSON OFFERED SOUTH BAY CONDITIONAL, PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT, SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT, AND HE SAID TO SHIRLEY DEYOUNG, WE'RE STILL READY TO ASSIST, AS YOU SEE THERE.

AND IT WAS PRIMARILY FOR PEOPLE WITH OUTSTANDING WARRANTS.

HIS SILENCE ON THAT MEANT THANK YOU, BUT NO THANK YOU, IS THE RESPONSE?

>> WE REALLY APPRECIATE SHERIFF TOMPKINS' INPUT.

ONE OF THE REASONS I REALLY APPRECIATE IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS, OUR NEIGHBORS, OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

AND THE MAYOR HAS ASKED HUS TO TRANSFORM THE SYSTEM TO, TO TRANSFORM HOW WE THINK ABOUT THIS.

SPECIFICALLY TO THE SHERIFF, WE ARE IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH HIM, AND I WENT AND VISITED THE SITES.

THEY ARE LOCKED CELLS, NOT APPROPRIATE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ISN'T INVOLVED IN THE SYSTEM, BUT WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT SPACE CAN BE USED APPROPRIATELY.

>> Braude: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE INDIVIDUALS RETURN TO THE MASS AND CASS AREA, WHEN THE WEATHER BREAKS AND IT IS SPRING AND LARGER NUMBERS OF PEOPLE RETURN TO THE MASS AND CASS AREA -- WHAT DOES THE CITY DO THEN, DOCTOR?

>> Doctor: OUR APPROACH IS VERY MUCH ABOUT FINDING INDIVIDUALS VIABLE OPTIONS AND NOT HAVING THE ENCAMPMENTS RETURN.

TIM, AS YOU KNOW, DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE ISSUES OF BEING UNSHELTERED, THE ISSUES OF HAVING SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER, WAS JUST COMPOUNDED AND MADE SO MUCH WORSE.

THE GOAL IS NOT FOR THEM TO BE -- FOR THERE NOT TO BE ENCAMPMENTS THERE AT MASS AND CASS.

THAT INCLUDES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO IS DOING REGULAR PATROLS OFT OF THE AREA.

WE DO NOT WANT THE ENCAMPMENTS TO COME BACK IN THE SUMMERTIME, AND THE INTERMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE GEARED TOWARDS THAT.

IT IS REALLY A CITYWIDE EFFORT OF HELPING INDIVIDUALS.

JIM, YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE NEED TO BE ARRESTS?

HOW WOULD WE APPROACH THE INDIVIDUALS?

WHEN WE SURVEYED THEM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM SAID, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATIVE TO BEING HERE.

PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN THOSE HORRIFIC CONDITIONS.

>>> AND.AND AS WE APPROACHED PEOPLE, PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATIVES.

EVEN NOW WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE PEOPLE, AND THIS IS JUST A STEP ON A LONG JOURNEY TO ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.

>> Braude: DOCTOR, BEFORE YOU GO, I HAVE GREAT PRAISE FOR THE MAYOR, EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE NOT CRAZY ABOUT EVERY DETAIL OF WHAT SHE HAS DONE, THE FACT SHE ATTACKED THIS ISSUE SO EARLY ON WITH SO MANY ISSUES CONFRONTING HERE I THINK IS PRAISE-WORTHY.

I WANT YOU TO DISABUSE ME OF MY MAJOR CONCERN OF WHY THIS MAY NEVER REALLY BE FIXED.

DESPITE ALL OF US WHO ARE NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY WHAT IS GOING ON AT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY TALK THE TALK, BUT MY IDEA IS THAT THOSE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING LIKE THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING -- CAN YOU TELL ME IN 30 SECONDS I'M WRONG?

>> Doctor: THE PEOPLE OUT THERE AT MASS AND CASS SUFFERING FROM ADDICTION, THESE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

WE HAVE TO STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

IT WILL TAKE ALL OF TOGETHER WORKING TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.

THE MAYOR HAS GIVEN US THE SPACE TO COME UP WITH A TRANSFORMATIVE SPACE THAT WILL TRANSFORM THE SYSTEM.

>> Braude: I HOPE IT HAPPENS, DOCTOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> Doctor: THANKS, JIM.

NICE TO TALK TO YOU.

>> Braude: NICE TO TALK TO YOU, TOO.

>> Braude: NEXT UP, WITH HOPE OF ANY REAL MOVEMENT ON EXPANDED VOTING RIGHTS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL LOOKING TENUOUS AT BEST RIGHT NOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP BOSTON BRANCH IS LOOKING TO TAKE THINGS INTO HER OWN HANDS ON THE LOCAL LEVEL.

TANISHA SULLIVAN ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY THAT SHE'S RUNNING FOR SECRETARY OF THE COMMONWEALTH AS A DEMOCRAT.

REPUBLICAN RADIO HOST AND FORMER CHAIR FOR BLACK VOICES FOR TRUMP IN MASSACHUSETTS, RAYLA CAMPBELL, ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY IN SEPTEMBER.

AND SO FAR CURRENT LONGTIME SECRETARY DEMOCRAT WILLIAM GALVIN HAS NOT OFFICIALLY SAID WHETHER HE'LL SEEK AN EIGHTH TERM.

TANISHA SULLIVAN, WHO, I SHOULD NOTE, IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ADVISORS HERE AT GBH, JOINS ME NOW.

>> THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE CAUSED ME TO REFLECT ON THE TOUGH WORK WE HAVE TO DO, THE STAGNANT PROBLEMS WE STILL HAVE TO SOLVE, AND THE STRENGTH WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN OUR DEMOCRACY.

>> MY NAME IS TANISHA SULLIVAN.

>> Braude: RAYLA CAMPBELL ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY IN SEPTEMBER.

AND CURRENT LONG TIME SECRETARY WILLIAM GALVIN HAS NOT SAID WHETHER HE'LL SEEK A SECOND TERM.

TANISHA SULLIVAN JOINS US NOW.

GREAT TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, JIM.

IT IS GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Braude: WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?

>> I THINK AT A MOMENT IN OUR HISTORY, WHEN WE KNOW THAT SO MANY OF US ARE LOOKING AT -- THEY'RE LOOKING AT CONGRESS WITH BEWILDERMENT AND CONFUSION AND FRUSTRATION, QUITE FRANKLY, AS WE LOOK AT THE SNAIL'S PACE THAT VOTER RIGHTS AND ACCESS IS BEING ADVANCED.

I BELIEVE AT THIS MOMENT, ALL EYES ARE ON THE STATE.

AND HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, AS IT IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE, ONE OF THE CHIEF RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO HELP SECURE AND PROTECT OUR VOTING RIGHTS.

AND ALSO TO ADVANCE VOTING RIGHTS.

SO IN THIS URGENT MOMENT, I DO BELIEVE IT CALLS FOR, YOU KNOW, US TO USHER IN SOME NEW AND FRESH PERSPECTIVES ON HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER PROTECT AND EXPAND OUR DEMOCRACY.

>> Braude: CAN YOU TELL ME SPECIFICALLY WHAT WOULD YOU DO THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE LEGISLATIVELY IN TERMS OF VOTING RIGHTS IN MASSACHUSETTS?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I ACTUALLY ENJOY TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK IN SOME RESPECTS, WE HAVE AN IDEA THAT HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS EVERYTHING IS OKAY.

>> Braude: YEAH.

>> AND THE REALITY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAIL-IN BALLOTING, SAME-DAY VOTER REGISTRATION, THE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION INFORMATION HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS, WE ARE ACTUALLY BEHIND OTHER STATES.

SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE'VE GOT TO CATCH UP.

WE CANNOT POSSIBLY EVEN THINK ABOUT LEADING ON ISSUES RELATIVE TO OUR DEMOCRACY UNTIL WE ACTUALLY CATCH UP.

AND THEN I DO BELIEVE THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT HOW WE CAN EXPAND ACCESS TO THE BALLOT BOX.

>>> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE BARRIERS THAT MAY STILL EXIST AS WE BECOME AN INCREASINGLY DIVERSE MASSACHUSETTS.

HOW ARE WE ON THAT?

>> Braude: TANISHA, SAME-DAY REGISTRATION, MAIL-IN VOTING, AND RANK-CHOICE VOTING, WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY DEFEATED.

ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE INCUMBENT.

IF HE DECIDES TO RUN, WHY YOU AND NOT THE GUY WHO IS SUPPORTS THE SAME THINGS YOU DO?

>> FIRST, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR I RESPECT BILL GALVIN, I RESPECT HIS 27 YEARS IN THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY OF STATE.

THAT SAID THIS MOMENT, I BELIEVE, REQUIRES A FRESH PERSPECTIVE.

WE ARE AT AN INFLECTION POINT IN OUR DEMOCRACY, JIM, RIGHT?

AND SO, YES, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS AND VOTER ACCESS IS A CRITICAL PART OF THAT.

BUT WHAT IS ALSO A PART OF THAT IS THE CONVERSATION AND THE WORK WE NEED TO DO TO FURTHER OPEN OUR DEMOCRACY.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE HAS PSYCHORESPONSIBILITYOVERSIGHTRESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR PUBLIC RECORDS.

IN THIS ERA, IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT WE'RE MODERNIZING OUR ACCESS TO OUR PUBLIC RECORDS.

IN THIS MOMENT, IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IS A CHAMPION NOT ONLY FOR VOTER PARTICIPATION, BUT FOR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT.

WE NEED A CULTURE OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT HERE IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS.

>> Braude: TANISHA, IF I MAY, HE IS THE INCUMBENT -- I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS RUNNING.

YOU DON'T MENTION BILL GALVIN, AND YOU JUST PRAISED HIM, BUT THE REALITY IS IF HE WERE TO RUN, YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU SHOULD FIRE THE GUY WHO HAS DONE THIS JOB FOR DECADES AND HIRE ME.

DON'T YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CASE THAT SHE DOESN'T DESERVE TO CONTINUE, PARTICULARLY AFTER YOU JUST PRAISED HIS DECADES OF PUBLIC SERVICE?

>> WHAT I HAVE TO DO IS MAKE THE CASE TO THE VOTERS, AND TO MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH, THAT THERE IS A BIGGER VISION FOR OUR DEMOCRACY.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS OFFICE, THE FULL SUITE OF RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THIS OFFICE HAS WITHIN IT, THAT THERE IS MORE FOR ALL OF US.

IT CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MOMENT, HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO EXPAND OUR DEMOCRACY.

AND PART OF THAT WORK IS HELPING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE DOES, AND WHAT IT CAN DO.

BECAUSE FROM THAT POINT, JIM, WHAT WE THEN HAVE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US, ALL OF US, TO FULLY ENGAGE WITH OUR GOVERNMENT, AND TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

AND THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT THE PRINCIPLES AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF THIS COUNTRY ARE ALL ABOUT.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED PUBLIC RECORDS, TANISHIA, A SECOND AGO, YOU TALK ABOUT MORE OPEN GOVERNMENT AND MORE TRANSPARENCY IN PUBLIC RECORDS.

TODD WALLACK, WHEN HE WAS WITH THE GLOBE DID RELENTLESS WORK, RELENTLESSLY REMINDING THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE THE ONLY STATE IN THE UNITED STATES, THE ONLY STATE, WHERE ALL THREE, JUDICIARY, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, AND THE LEGISLATURE, THEY BELIEVE THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM PUBLIC RECORD LAWS.

WOULD YOU LEAD THE CAMPAIGN TO CHANGE THAT SO WE JOIN THE REST OF AMERICA WITH PUBLIC RECORD LAWS BEING APPLICABLE TO EVERY BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT WHERE APPROPRIATE?

>> WE ABSOLUTELY NEED DO DO ALL WE CAN TO ASSURE WE HAVE AN OPEN, TRANSPARENT ANDGOVERNMENT.

THIS IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT INFORMATION ISAVAILABLEINFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AND WHAT INFORMATION IS NOT.

WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.

MY WORK WITH THE NAACP AND OTHER GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS HAS CERTAINLY BEEN ABOUT TACKLING TOUGH ISSUES LIKE THIS ONE, THAT ARE COMPLEX, BUT WE DO THAT FIRST BY CONNECTING WITH THOSE WHO ARE MOST ADVERSELY IMPACTED.

>> Braude: CAN I JUST INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND?

>> YES.

>> Braude: I DON'T KNOW ANY CON CONSTITUENT SEE CONSTITUENCY THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT TO OPERATE THAT WAY.

IF YOU ACCEPT THAT PREMISE, ARE YOU WILLING TO SAY YOU'LL LEAD THE CHARGE TO END THAT AND CAUSE US NOT TO BE THE OUTLIER?

>> I WILL SAY THAT I WILL LEAD THE CHARGE IN HELPING THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

>> Braude: THE CONVERSATION, OKAY.

>> THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE YES, THERE IS A VERY CLEAR LINE ON THIS POINT.

WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO ASSURE THAT PUBLIC RECORDS ARE ACCESSIBLE, TRANSPARENT, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTS IN PLACE SO FOLKS KNOW HOW TO USE THAT INFORMATION.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY IN THE BIG DATA ERA, THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE TO PROTECT DATA, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW DATA CAN BE USED WRONG.

>> Braude: YOU USED THE WORDS "FRESH PERSPECTIVE" TWICE.

WE HAVE A ROTTEN HISTORY, UNTIL A FEW YEARS AGO, OF ELECTING WOMEN IN STATE OFFICE.

WE HAVE A ZERO RECORD OF ELECTING WOMEN OF COLOR.

WHEN YOU SAY "FRESH PERSPECTIVE," IS THAT IN PART WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO DIVERSIFY THE RANKS OF THOSE WHO LEAD THIS STATE?

AND I LITERALLY HAVE 15 SECONDS.

>> WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS IN MY EXPERIENCE, MY LEGAL EXPERIENCE AND WORKING ON THE GROUND IN COMMUNITY, IS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

IT DOES ALLOW ME TO BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE AND DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, AND ALL OF THAT IS NEEDED TO HELP ENSURE WE HAVE A FULL AND VIBRANT AND EXPANSIVE DEMOCRACY.

>> Braude: >> Braude: TANISHA, I WISH YOU A LOT OF LUCK.

>> THANK YOU, JIM.

>> Braude: WELL, THE PATRIOTS' SEASON IS OVER, AFTER AN EMBARRASSING WILDCARD LOSS TO THE BILLS THIS PAST WEEKEND.

THE FINAL CODA OF A DISASTEROUS TAIL SPIN FOR A TEAM THAT BOASTED A SEVEN-GAME WINNING STREAK JUST OVER A MONTH AGO.

AND TO RUB A LITTLE SALT IN THE WOUND?

TOM BRADY AND HIS TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE IN CHAMPIONSHIP FORM AS THEY HEAD INTO A MATCHUP AGAINST THE RAMS, HOPING TO DEFEND THEIR SUPER BOWL TITLE, WHILE ANOTHER FORMER NEW ENGLAND QUARTERBACK, JIMMY GAROPPOLO -- HIS PERMANENT ONE-DAY BEARD GROWTH IN TW -- IS MOVING ON WITH THE 49ers AS WELL, FACING OFF AGAINST GREENBAY SATURDAY AFTER A VICTORY OVER THE COWBOYS IN A PERFORMANCE THAT LED AT LEAST ONE MAN TO WONDER WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, TWEETING NOT LONG AFTER KICKOFF: "PATRIOTS WOULD HAVE HAD A BETTER SEASON WITH GAROPPOLO, THOUGH HE OBVIOUSLY IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CURRENT QUARTERBACK MAC JONES."

JOINING ME FOR MORE ON THE MANY ROADS NOT TAKEN, AND WHETHER THE PATRIOTS MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO BUILD BACK BETTER, IS "BOSTON GLOBE" SENIOR NFL REPORTER BEN VOLIN.

>> Braude: BEN, IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT, JIM.

>> Braude: SO I'M NOT INTO MASOCHISM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FORWARD.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU 10 SORT OF LIGHTNING ROUND QUESTIONS.

NUMBER ONE, WILL CRAFT SPEND ANOTHER BOATLOAD OF MONEY AFTER HE DID THIS YEAR AFTER A ONE AND DONE FINISH?

>> I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THE SPENDING SPREE OF LAST YEAR, 175 MILLION DOLLARS FOR OVER 20 PLAYERS.

THE FULL BILL, OVER 350 MILLION DOLLARS, AND SOME OF THAT IS FUNNY MONEY.

HE WAS SKEPTICAL OF DOING THAT FOR ONE YEAR.

HE HAD SOME COMMENTS, AND WE USED TO MAKE FUN OF THE TEAMS THAT DID THIS, AND HE HAD TO BE PERSUADED TO OPEN UP HIS WALLETS WALLET THAT MUCH.

I THINK IT IS A TOUGH ACT TO ASK HIM TO DO THAT TWO YEARS IN A ROW.

THEY HAVE SOME MOVES TO MAKE, BUT IT WILL NOT BE THE WILD SPREE OF LAST YEAR.

>> Braude: WILL BILL BELICHICK EVER WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL?

>> I, UNFORTUNATELY, WILL SAY NO.

TOM BRADY IS THE QUARTERBACK, HE HAS THE BALL IN HIS HAND PRETTY MUCH EVERY GAME, AND SO HE CAN AFFECT THE GAME.

BILL BELICHICK IS AS THE MERCY OF THE PLAYERS, THE DRAFT, THE SALARY CAP, ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I THINK THEY'RE FAR AWAY RIGHT NOW.

THAT PLAYOFF BLOWOUT LOSS TO THE BILLS SHOWED HOW FAR AWAY THEY ARE FROM THE ELITE TEAMS.

>> Braude: IN A BOW TO YOUR COLLEAGUE DAN SHAUGHNESSY AND HIS COLUMN, WILL BELICHICK FIRE HIS TWO SONS, ONE WAS THE FRONT RUNNING OF THE DEFENSE WHICH WAS TOTAL DECIMATED.

ARE THEY GONE, OR IS FATHER GOING TO PROTECT SONS?

>> I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF HE WOULD FIRE HIS SONS.

THE FACT HE GETS TO WORK WITH HIS SONS IS ONE OF THE REASONS HE IS STICKING AROUND.

I THINK HE, LIKE MANY COACHES, FEELS SOME GUILT FOR NOT BEING THERE ENOUGH FOR THEIR KIDS.

TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM EVERY DAY IS A HUGE BLESSING POR FOR BELICHICK.

THE NEPOTISM THING IS A TRICKY THING.

THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BELICHICK'S SONS.

AT THE SAME TIME, THEY DID GROW UP AS THE SONS OF BILL BELICHICK, SO THEY PROBABLY KNOW A FEW THINGS ABOUT BASEBALL.

>> Braude: AND NEXT IS: WILL BILL BELICHICK EVER HAVE ANOTHER MOMENT LIKE THIS ONE?

THIS IS SHORTLY AFTER A LOSS TO THE COLTS.

HE DOES A FOLLOWUP PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAYS THE FOLLOWING: >> LOOK, FELLOWS, I APOLOGIZE IF I SEEM LIKE I WAS A LITTLE SHORT WITH YOU AFTER THE GAME.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT IS A FRUSTRATING GAME.

DOWN 20 TO NOTHING, DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WELL ENOUGH.

IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

IT WAS A FRUSTRATING GAME.

>> Braude: WAS THAT LIKE A POD PERSON?

HOW SURPRISED -- YOU COVERED THIS TEAM.

LOOK AT THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE.

HOW SURPRISED WERE YOU WHEN HE GAVE WHAT SEEMED TO BE A TOTALLY SINCERE APOLOGY FOR THE PEOPLE HE ABUSES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT?

>> IT WAS VERY SINCERE.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL BILL BELICHICK.

I WAS NOT EXPECTING AN APOLOGY.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS MERITED.

HE WAS OBVIOUSLY FRUSTRATED AFTER THE GAME AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO.

THEY DIDN'T PLAY VERY WELL.

I WOULD INVITE HIM TO BE MORE SHORT OR CURT WITH US THAN HE USUALLY IS.

GOOD FOR HIM FOR ACKNOWLEDGING HE DIDN'T PRESENT HIMSELF THE BEST THAT NIGHT.

AS YOU'RE GETTING OLDER, I DO THINK HE IS MORE COGNIZANT OF LEGACY AND HOW HE WANTS TO BE REMEMBERED.

SO JUST BEING THE GRUMPY, GRUFF COACH ALL OF THE TIME, I THINK HE REALIZES MAYBE ISN'T THE BEST FOR HIS PERSONAL IMAGE.

>> Braude:>> Braude: WE HEARD BEN VOLIN SAYING -- COULD TOM BRADY WIN ANOTHER SUPER BOWL?

>> I NEVER DOUBT TOM BRADY.

IT ALL CLICKED AND THEY WENT ON THIS INCREDIBLE RUN.

THE BUCKS DO NOT LOOK LIKE THE FAVORITES, BUT IT IS PROBABLY THE GREENBAY PACKERS, AARON RODGERS IS PLAYING SO WELL.

HE LOST THE TOP RECEIVER, CHRIS, TO AN INJURY.

MIKE EVANS, IN AND OUT OF THE LINEUP.

THEY'RE STILL FORGIVING THINGS OUT.

I THINK BRADY IS GOING TO GO TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AGAIN, BUT IT IS A LOT TO ASK FOR A SUPER BOWL WIN.

>> Braude: IS THAT GAROPPOLO OR -- >> I WANT TO PICK THE 49ers.

TO THINGS THAT GIVE ME PAUSE, GAROPPOLO'S FOURTH QUARTER, HE REALLY TRIED TO GIVE THE GAME AWAY THROUGH A REALLY BAD INTERCEPTION.

IN THE PRE--SEEKERS I PICKED BILL'S PACKERS.

I CAN'T TURN ON THEM NOW.

THEY HAVE THE BUY AND AARON RODGERS.

IT IS HARD TO GO AGAINST THE PACKERS RIGHT NOW.

>> Braude: YOU SPEND A SMALL PORTION OF YOUR LIFE ON W.E.I., AND THIS IS THE $64 MILLION QUESTION.

AND THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT TOM BRADY.

HERE IS THE QUESTION: 10 YEARS AFTER TOM BRADY IS RETIRED AND SELLING A FASHION LINE, WILL SPORTS RADIO IN BOSTON STILL BE TALKING ABOUT TOM BRADY FROM 6:00 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT?

>> I THINK SO.

HE IS THE STANDARD AROUND HERE.

AS LONG AS THE PATRIOTS ARE NOT WINNING A SUPER BOWL, HE IS ALWAYS GOING BE THE QUARTERBACK WE COMPARE TO, AND HIS ERA IS GOING TO BE THE ERA WE HAWKEN TO.

WE'LL BE COMPARING MAC JONES TO HIM, AND WHOEVER IS AFTER MAC JONES.

IT IS NOT FAIR TO MAC, BUT UNTIL HE WINS ALL OF THESE SUPER BOWLS, BRADY WILL BE THE STANDARD.

AND AS LONG AS BRADY KEEPS PLAYING, WE'LL KEEP TALKING ABOUT HIM.

HE IS 44 YEARS OLDS AND CAN PLAY ANOTHER YEAR.

HE IS DOING A GOOD JOB OF KEEPING HIMSELF RELEVANT.

>> Braude: BEN VOLIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, JIM.

>> Braude: THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING, AND PLEASE STAY SAFE.

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