>> Reilly: I'M ADAM REILLY.

TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," IN AN EFFORT TO HELP MORE DISPLACED PEOPLE RESETTLE IN THE U.S., THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS INVITING PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME TO DIRECTLY SPONSOR THE ARRIVAL OF REFUGEES IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

IT'S MODELED AFTER A PROGRAM ALREADY UNDERWAY FOR PEOPLE FLEEING UKRAINE.

ONE MEMBER OF THAT PROGRAM, NOW SETTLED IN NEW ENGLAND, WILL JOIN ME AHEAD.

THEN, REVOLUTIONS IN A.I.

ARE THREATENING THE WORLD OF ACADEMIA AS WE KNOW IT.

WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT CHAT GPT AND THE VERY REAL REPERCUSSIONS IT IS HAVING AT COLLEGES IN BOSTON AND BEYOND.

>> Reilly: WHEN RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE NEARLY A YEAR AGO, MILLIONS WERE FORCED TO FLEE THE COUNTRY.

AND SINCE THEN, SEVERAL THOUSAND OF THEM HAVE COME TO THE U.S. THAT INCLUDES OLEKSANDRA CHEPENKI, WHO CAME TO NEW ENGLAND LAST FALL, ALONG WITH HER SON, THANKS TO A PROGRAM CALLED "UNITING FOR UKRAINE".

IT WAS FIRST LAUNCHED LAST APRIL, AND ALLOWS UKRAINIAN REFUGEES TO COME TO THE U.S. FOR UP TO TWO YEARS, WITH REGULAR AMERICANS SERVING AS SPONSORS.

AND NOW, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS EXPANDING ON THE IDEA BEHIND THE UNITING FOR UKRAINE PROGRAM, WITH THE NEWLY ANNOUNCED "WELCOME CORPS," WHICH WILL ALLOW CITIZEN SPONSORS FOR REFUGEES COMING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, TOO: >> THE WELCOME CORPS IS THE BOLDEST INNOVATION IN THE US REFUGEE RESETTLEMENT IN FOUR DECADES AND IT REFLECTS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S COMMITMENT TO EXPAND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS WE REBUILD OUR REFUGEE PROGRAM.

>> Reilly: OLEKSANDRA CHEPENKO JOINS ME NOW, AS DOES JESSICA CIRONE, THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PROGRAM INITIATIVES AT THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF NEW ENGLAND, AN ORGANIZATION THAT HELPS IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES RESETTLING IN NEW ENGLAND.

THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE, OLEKSANDRA YOU HAVE HAD A VERY LONG JOURNEY TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE YOU ARE SITTING HERE TALKING WITH US TODAY.

YOU HAVE GONE FROM CHAR KEV TO BULGARIA, TO WAKE FIERLD AND NOW SETTLED IN LOWELL.

HOW DID YOU GET CONNECTED WITH THE SPONSOR WHO ENABLED YOU TO GO FROM BULGARIA TO THE UNITED STATES?

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO.

THIS I AM REALLY-- TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER UKRAINIANS AND OTHER AMERICANS WHO PROBABLY WANT TO HELP MORE REFUGEES, MORE IMMIGRANTSES LIKE ME.

SO WELL, I HAD A FRIEND IN UKRAINE WHO MARRIED A U.S. CITIZEN TWO YEARS AGO JUST BEFORE COVID.

AND SHE MOVED TO THE U.S.

THIS STARTED TOGETHER THEY STARTED TOGETHER IN THE UNIVERSITY AND THEN I HIRED HER TO WORK AT OUR PUBLISHING HOUSE IN UKRAINE.

SHE WAS A TRANSLATOR.

ENGLISH TRANSLATOR.

AND WHEN SHE HEARD THE TERNL NEWS ABOUT RUSSIAN ATTACKS, OF COURSE SHE CALLED ME.

AND ASKED ME WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU.

CAN I HELP YOU.

SHOW.

WELL, IN THAT TIME I DIDN'T PLAN TO COME TO THE U.S.

BUT ANYWAY, SHE TRIED TO HELP ME HOW SHE COULD.

AND WE DECIDE WITH MY FAMILY TO GO TO BULGARIA.

AND SPEND SUMMER THERE, BECAUSE OF MY SON, FOR HIM TO BE BY THE SEASIDE BECAUSE HE HAS SOME HEALTH PROBLEMS.

THAT IS WHY WE CHOOSE BULGARIA.

AND IT WAS A HARD TRIP.

MY CITY WAS LOCATED IN THE NORTH EASTERN PART OF UKRAINE AND IT TOOK US ONE WEEK, ALMOST, TO GET FROM EASTERN BORDER TO THE WESTERN BORDER OF UKRAINE, THE BORDER WITH ROMANIA.

AND OUR CAR BROKE DOWN.

IT WAS REALLY A LONG, STRESSFUL TRIP, THAT I WON'T FORGET.

AND.

>> I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN, BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU.

SO WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER TODAY, IF I AM CORRECT, YOU SAID TO ME YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF FRIENDS WHO ARE COMPETITIVE CHESS PLAYERS.

AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE MAN WHOANDED UP SPONSORING YOU TO COME HERE WHO IS ALSO A COMPETITIVE CHESS PLAYER.

BUT IS R HE IS A FRIEND OF FRIENDS.

BUT NOT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW AND DIRECTLY OR KNEW DIRECTLY, CORRECT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

HAVE I NEVER MET THIS GENEROUS PERSON BEFORE.

AND HE WAS EVEN NOT SO CLOSE WITH MY FRIENDS, CATRINA-- THEY WERE NOT SO CLOSE.

BUT ONE DAY CATRINA WON A CHAMPIONSHIP AND HE SPONSORED THE PRIZE FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIPS.

AND HE ASKED HER WHERE IS SHE FROM.

AND SHE ANSWERED I'M FROM UKRAINE.

AND THEN HE SUGGESTED HE HELP TO ANY PEOPLE IN NEED WHO SHE KNOW.

>> Reilly: GO AHEAD, SORRY.

>> SO THAT IS WHY, AND SHE TOLD HIM ABOUT ME AND AFTER THAT, WHEN HE SUGGESTED KINDLY HE HELPS, SHE AGAIN REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID OKAY, OLEKSANDRA, NOW THERE IS A PROGRAM UNITING FOR UKRAINE AND AND THERE IS A PERSON ALREADY TO SUPPORT YOU, BECAUSE MY RESOURCES WERE REALLY LIMITED AND I COULDN'T AFFORD MYSELF TO BUY TICKETS FOR FOUR PEOPLE TO GET FROM BULGARIA TO TURKEY, ISTANBUL AND THEN TO BOSTON.

>> Reilly: AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY INCREDIBLE EXPENSIVE TRAVEL.

AND THEN I BELIEVE HE ALSO HAD TO HELP YOU GET AN APARTMENT, PROVIDE THE FUNDING NECESSARY TO GET AN APARTMENT.

>> YEAH.

>> Reilly: AM I CORRECT THERE.

>> YES.

FIRST COUPLE EVERY MONTHS I SPENT IN MY UKRAINIAN FRIEND'S HOUSE IN WAKEFIELD.

AND THEN WELL, THINGS CHANGED SO I RECEIVED A JOB OFFER AND THEN I MOVED TO LOWELL.

SO NOW I STAY IN LOWELL.

>> Reilly: LET'S GET NEW HERE, JESSICA.

THIS STORY HIGHLIGHTS, IT SEEMS TO ME JUST FROM OUTSIDE THE WORLD THAT YOU OPERATE IN, THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ACTORS THAT CAN PLAY A ROLE DEPENDING ON THE PARTICULAR SITUATION, DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN PLAY.

THERE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, ORGANIZES LIKE YOURS AND THE ONE THAT OLEKSANDRA NOW WORKS FOR.

AND THEN THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO COULD-- BENEFACTORS, MEN AND WOMEN WHO DECIDE TO TAKE ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY.

HOW IS THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S NEW PROPOSAL GOING TO SHIFT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE VARIOUS PARTIES THAT EXITED BEFORE?

>> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS PEOPLE INVOLVED IN RESETTLING PEOPLE AND BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE U.S., EVEN WHEN IT WAS TRADITIONAL RESETTLEMENT PROGRAM.

SO TRADITIONALLY, A U.S.-BASED RESETTLEMENT AGENCY WOULD BRING PEOPLE FROM ABROAD, FROM A COUNTRY OVER.

THEY WOULD SPONSOR THEM IN THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE TYPICALLY DONE IT AND BRING THEM OVER THROUGH A SETTLEMENTMENT PROMISE, THE RESETMENT PROGRAM, THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE RESETTLEMENT PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN THE U.S. AND IT HASN'T CHANGED VERY MUCH UNTIL RECENTLY THERE HAD BEEN SOME COMMUNITY SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS WHICH ARE AFFILIATED WITH RESETMENT AGENCIES BUT WERE NOT OPERATING SEPARATELY.

SO IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO WITH THE START OF THE EVACUATION OF AFGHANS, DURING THAT CRISIS THERE REALLY LAUNCHED A LOT OF COMMUNITY SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS THAT WORK THROUGH A COMMUNITY LEAD SPONSORSHIP WHICH WERE OPERATING SORT OF SEPARATELY FROM THE TRADITIONAL RESETTLEMENT AGENCIES, UNDER UMBRELLA NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS.

AND THEN THERE IS ALSO COMMUNITY SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS WHICH ARE BEING LEAD THROUGH RESETTLEMENT AGENCIES JUST TO MAKE IT MORE CONFUSING.

AND THEN LAUNCHED THE SPONSOR CIRCLES AND THE UNITE FOR UKRAINE PROCESS WHICH ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN BRING FOLKS OVER WITH THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT.

THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS PEOPLE COME OVER THROUGH SETTLEMENT AGENCIES BUT BEING SUPPORTED INDIVIDUALLY.

>> SO I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE UPSIDES AND DOWN SIESD OF WHAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO DO HERE.

BECAUSE AS OLEKSANDRA'S STORY INDICATES, ON ONE HAND IT IS WONDERFUL THAT YOU FOUND A SPONSOR WILLING TO DO THIS.

YOU HAVE NOW BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A BRAND NEW LIFE FOR YOU AND YOUR SOFNLT YOU ARE NOW WORKING, HELPING PEOPLE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION TO WHERE YOU WERE WHEN YOU CAME TO THE COUNTRY.

NOT VERY LONG AGO AT ALL.

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF CHANCE AT PLAY AS OLEKSANDRA MENTIONED.

NOT EVERYONE MAY BE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND A BENEFACTOR, A PRIVATE PARTY WILLING TO BRING THEM OVER.

AND WELL, I WAS GOING RAMBLE ON ABOUT OTHER THINGS BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE MINE USES RATHER THAN PLUSES BUT ARE THERE UPSIDES AND DOWNSIDES TO THIS APPROACH.

>> SURE, I THINK ANY KIND OF RESHIFT FOCUS IS A BONUS HAVING COMPLEMENTARY PATHWAYS THAT SUPPORT THE VEN SYSTEM IS A WONDERFUL WAY TO BRING NEW ARRIVALS, REFUGEES TO OUR COUNTRY WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED BEFORE WE CAN BENEFIT OUR COUNTRY.

SO IN THAT WAY IT IS A PLUS.

ME LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM THAT HAS SORT OF EXISTED THE SAME FOR A LONG TIME.

BUT THERE IS A REASON THERE IS IS RESETTLEMENT PROVIDERS, RIGHT.

SO INE HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR OVER A CENTURY, WE HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMPLICATED PROCESS IT TAKES TO BRING SOMEONE OVER.

THE APPLYING FOR BENEFITS, STATE AND FEDERAL AS YOU MENTIONED.

AND IT CAN BE LONG.

WE ARE USED TO SERVING PEOPLE UP TO FIVE YEARS.

SO I HOPE AS THEY LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM, THE SPONSOR GROUPS THEMSELVES UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE COMPLICATIONS AND WHAT IT TAKES TO HELP SOMEBODY GET ON THEIR FEET.

>> Reilly: BEFORE I GO BACK TO YOU, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.

IS THIS GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO END UP COMING TO THE UNITED STATES ULTIMATELY?

>> THAT IS THE INTENTION.

THE CEILING IS SET BY THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE, THE PRESIDENT EACH YEAR AND ANYONE COMING THROUGH A PRIVATE SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM IS OUTSIDE THOSE NUMBERS.

SO IN ADDITION TO THOSES NUMBERS.

ULTIMATELY THE VISIONARIES BELIEVE THEY ARE FOCUSING ON FIVE,000 PEOPLE AND THE PRIVATE SPONSORSHIP PEOPLE WHICH WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE CEILING SET AT 125,000 WHICH I DON'T EXPECT TO MEET.

>> WE WERE GOING TO SAY.

>> WE WOULDN'T MEET BUT AS THEY SCALE UP THE PROGRAM, THE INTENTION IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

>> OLEKSANDRA, IF YOU HAD NOT BEEN PUT IN TOUCH WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO ENDED UP SPONSORING YOU, WHERE DO YOU THINK HE WOULD BE TODAY?

>> I THINK PROBABLY HE I WOULD STAY IN BULGARIA.

I COULD FIND SOME REMOTE JOBS THERE.

AND WELL, WE COULD SURVIVE THERE, IN THEORY BUT THE PLAN FOR THE SHORT TERM BUT IF I START THINKING ABOUT MY SON'S FUTURE, OF COURSE I WOULD LIKE HIM TO LEARN ENGLISH.

WELL, TO HAVE SOME HOPE AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES.

>> Reilly: YOUR SON S AM I RIGHT, IS HE FOUR YEARS OLD NOW.

>> YES, HE'S FOUR.

>> Reilly: AND AS I ASK THIS NEXT QUESTION, I THINK WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS AVAILABLE THAT YOU HAVE SHARED WITH US OF YOUR SON MAKING HIS WAY AROUND BOSTON.

ALONG WITH YOU.

GETTING USED TO THE AREA THAT HE NOW CALLS HOME.

DO YOU HAVE AS WE SHARE THOSE IMAGES, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY WATCH THIS PROGRAM, HAVE HEARD ABOUT WHAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO BE DOING.

AND MAYBE THINKING TO THEMSELVES, I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING A SPONSOR, HELPING SOMEONE WHO IS A REFUGEE GET TO THIS COUNTRY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COUNSEL YOU WOULD GIVE THEM ON THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY THEY WILL BE TAKING IF THEY DO THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE REFUGEES, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO-- .

>> Reilly: YOU ACTUALLY GUESSED WHAT MY SECOND PART IS GOING TO BE.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT BOTH.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE GRATITUDE FOR THE INDIVIDUAL WHAT HELPED YOU DO.

THIS I WOULD THINK SOME PEOPLE, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HELP UD WAS READY TO DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND HAD THE RESOURCES READY.

BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT KNOW HOW MUCH IS REQUIRED RESOURCEWISE.

SO FOR BOTH, REFUGEES AND THE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT TO HELP THEM.

ANY ADVICE.

>> OF COURSE, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS CAN OPEN THE DOOR FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO INTEGRATE IN FOREIGN SOCIETY.

NOT JUST AMERICAN SOCIETY S EVERY SOCIETY T IS AN INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE NOW.

SO LEARN ENGLISH.

TRY TO INTEGRATE INTO AMERICAN SOCIETY,AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND TRY TO BECOME SELF SUFFICIENT.

BECAUSE IF YOU STAY FOR A LONG TIME IN A HOUSE, NO MATTER HOW BIG HOUSE, REALITY IS PROBABLY NOT SO CLOSE, RELATIVES, FRIENDS.

AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME, IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER FOR EVERYBODY TO LIVE IN THE SAME AREA AND ESPECIALLY IF YOUR RELATIVES SHOULD TAKE CARE YOU LIKE FIVE YEAR CHILD.

SO YOU SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT AND TRY ALL YOU CAN DO TO MAKE STEPS TO COME INDEPENDENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, OF COURSE.

TO PRESERVE YOUR FRIENDSHIP, YOUR GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR RELATIVES.

SO THIS IS MY ADVICE FOR REFUGEES.

AND FOR THE SPONSORS, I CAN SAY PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID-OF-REFUGEES.

IF YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP, PLEASE HELP.

BECAUSE NOW WELL, IT'S LIKE, THE DARK SIDE IS FIGHTING THE LIGHT, YOU KNOW.

LIKE SOMETHING EVIL AND SOMETHING GOOD.

SO LET'S BUILD A CHAIN OF KINDNESS.

SO THIS MY SPONSOR, WHO I AM SO GRATEFUL, HE STARTED THIS CHAIN AND NOW HE GAVE ME AN ABILITY TO HELP OTHERS TOO.

AND I WILL CONTINUE THIS CHAIN OF KINDNESS.

AND I WILL BE, MY GOAL IS NOW TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED LIKE ME.

AND HONESTLY, BEFORE THIS TERRIBLE EVENTS, I DIDN'T THINK THAT MUCH ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW.

>> Reilly: I WOULDN'T THINK YOU WOULD HAVE HAD REASON TO.

AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THESE THINGS UNLESS YOU ARE FORSED TO.

>> BUT NOW EVERYTHING, WELL, I SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

AND PROBABLY, WELL, MY LIFE GOAL.

>> Reilly: ARE YOU DOING IT.

>> I'M REALLY, I LIKE TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Reilly: JESSICA, I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE LAST WORD HERE.

THERE IS SOME COUNSEL FROM OLEKSANDRA.

WOULD YOU OFFER ANY COUNSEL, AS THIS PROGRAM HAS ROLLED OUT, AND OTHERS THAT DON'T KNOW HOW ABOUT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS GOING TO WORK, WOULD YOU OFFER GUIDANCE FOR ANYBODY PLAYING THE WORLD HER SPONSOR PLAYED FOR HER.

>> SIMILAR TO WHAT OLEKSANDRA SAID, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF SEE YOUR COMMUNITY THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS.

THAT IS KIND OF HOW I TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SPONSORSHIP.

YOU ARE SEEING THE WAY IT MIGHT BE LIKE TO BE A NEWCOMER IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND YOU REALLY DO GET TO LOOK AT IT, THE WHOLE CITY AS A DIFFERENT PLACE.

AND I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW, ASK FOR HELP.

REACH OUT TO THOSE RESOURCES WHICH INE HOPES TO BE TO THESE SPONSORS OR ANY SPONSORS, SO REACH OUT TO GET CONNECTED IF YOU ARE NOT SURE HOW TO CONNECT THE PEOPLE YOU ARE WORKING WITH AND SUPPORTING.

DON'T GUESS BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THESE FOLKS O TO CONNECT WITH THOSE RESOURCES.

AND THEN FOR THE WELCOME COSPONSORS WE ARE LACKING FORWARD TO BEING A COMMUNITY RESOURCE TO THOSE FOLKS AND PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND LEARN TOGETHER AS WE CREATE MORE CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THE U.S. >> Reilly: OLEKSANDRA CHEPENKO, JESSICA CIRONE, THANKS.

NEXT UP, TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A LONG WAY SINCE I WAS IN SCHOOL, WITH NEW ADVANCEMENTS MAKING IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO CHEAT ON ASSIGNMENTS AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THE LATEST DISRUPTOR, CHAT GPT, AN ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENT BOT, WHICH CAN WRITE PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU ASK IT TO, FROM A POEM TO A TERM PAPER.

AND UNLIKE OLD-FASHIONED PLAGIARISM, WHICH SCHOOLS HAVE LONG HAD TOOLS TO SCREEN FOR, EDUCATORS ARE STILL GRAPPLING WITH HOW TO DETECT A.I.-WRITTEN TEXT.

JOINING ME TO DISCUSS ARE JOHN FITZGIBBON, AN ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AT BOSTON COLLEGE'S CENTER FOR DIGITAL INNOVATION IN LEARNING, AND LAURA MECKLER, NATIONAL EDUCATION REPORTER FOR THE "WASHINGTON POST."

THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE, LAURA, HOW CONCERNED ARE PEOPLE IN THE ACADEMY ABOUT THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND THE EFFECTS IT MIGHT HAVE?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE ARE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

THERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED OR IN SOME CASES VERY CONCERNED.

AND THEND THERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT YET.

I MEAN I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST A WIDE SPREAD CONCERN AMONG PROFESSORS, ALSO TO SOME EXTENT AMONG K-12 TEACHERS, HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS, WHO ARE REALLY PARTICULARLY IN COLLEGES THAT YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF ANOTHER THING THEY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND.

HOW TO, SOME ARE THINKING ABOUT IT MORE CREATIVELY.

SOME ARE THINKING ABOUT IT MORE DEFENSIVELY.

BUT THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS INCREDIBLY NEW POTENTIAL TO CHEAT BECAUSE I THINK ANY OF US WHO HAVE PLAYED AROUND WITH THIS TOOL SEE HOW THE RESPONSES AND THE RESULTS FEEL VERY.

>> YOU CAN JUST GIVE A BRIEF ELABORATION OF THAT POINT, YOU JUST RAISED BEFORE YOU GET, WHAT IS IT LIKE TO USE THIS TOOL, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED AT IT IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE ST DAUNTING, INTIMIDATING, A HIGH BARRIER TO ENTRY.

SO WHAT IT IS.

>> ONCE YOU FIND THE WEBSITE, OKAY, SO MAYBE THAT IS THE HARDEST PART.

BUT IT IS NOT THAT HARD.

ONCE YOU FIND THE WEBSITE IT IS SO EASY TO USE.

THERE IS A DIALOGUE BOX, LIKE IMAGINE ARE YOU TEXTING WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS A COMPUTER, THERE SAY LITTLE BOX THERE AND YOU TYPE SOMETHING IN YOU TYPE A QUESTION.

OR YOU TYPE A PROMPT.

-- PROMPT.

YOU COULD SAY COULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING WACKY LIKE WRITE A PO IMTO CELEBRATE MY MOTHER'S BIRTHDAY.

SHE LIKES CATS.

OR YOU CAN SAY, WRITE A FIVE PARAGRAPH ESSAY ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

AND EITHER WAY IT WILL DO IT.

AND IS IT GREAT?

NO.

IS IT LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, GET YOU INTO HARVARD, NO.

BUT IS IT PLAUSIBLE, YES, ABSOLUTELY.

I WAS STUNNED.

>> Reilly: JOHN FITS GIB ON, IS THE QUALITY-- FITZGIBBON, IS THE QUALITY THAT LAURA JUST TAWCHED ON-- PARDON ME, LAURA, IS IT GOING TO IMPROVE QUICKLY.

BECAUSE I THINK OF THESE THINGS, AND I AM NOT A TECHNOLOGICAL EXPERT.

BUT I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY ONCE THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK IS IN PLACE A AS GETTING MUCH BETTER VERY FAST.

SOON WILL IT HELP YOU GET INTO HARVARD?

>> AS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS THE VERSION THREE, AND THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, THEY ARE GETTING THESE PINGS FROM MICROSOFT.

I WILL GUESS AND SAY IT WILL GET BETTER BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MORE PROCESSING POWER, MORE INFORMATION TO PROCESS.

BUT SO I TEACH AT-- MYSELF AND CONSULT WITH MANY FACULTY.

AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TECHNOLOGY RAISE SOUP QUICKLY IN PEOPLE'S AWARENESS.

NEVER SEEN ST BEFORE.

AND LAST NIGHT I RAISED IT WITH MY OWN CLASS TEACHING POPULISM AND HALF THE STUDENTS HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT.

AND THE OTHER HALF HAD HEARD OF IT.

BUT WHAT REALLY STRUCK ME ABOUT IT WAS THAT STUDENTS WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN IT.

AND REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT I HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.

AS IN MANY USE THE TOOL, THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED IT.

THEY SAW THE TEXT IT GENERATED BUT THEY WERE LIKE WELL, WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS, IS THIS GOOD, IS THIS BAD, OR WHATEVER.

I PUT IN A MID TERM QUESTION I USED LAST YEAR, A TERRIBLE QUESTION, THEY GAVE A VERY GOOD ANSWER TO IT.

AND SO I TAUGHT THAT ANSWER WITH STUDENTS AND SAID HERE IS WHY THIS IS A GOOD ANSWER.

BUT ALSO HERE IS WHY THIS IS A BAD ANSWER.

AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THEY WOULD GIVE AND THAT LEAD TO AN EXCELLENT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR AS AN ESSAY.

THERE WERE KEY THINGS IT LEFT, THERE WAS NO REFERENCE, NO EXAMPLES, ALL THE MAIN THEMES THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT.

SO I SAID WELL, IT FAILED BECAUSE THERE IS NO REFERENCING.

SO IT IS PLAGIARISM BUT THERE WAS NO ARGUMENTATION THERE SO BUT THE STUDENTS HAD GIVEN IT AN A BECAUSE THEY WERE BLINDED BY HOW WELL IT WAS WRITTEN.

IT LEAD TO A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY I'M LOOKING FOR.

SO THE FACULTY I CONSULT WITH AND TALKING TO ABOUT IF IS THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO USE T AND LIKE GIVE THEM THE ANSWERS AND SAY HERE IS WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT IT, HERE IS WHAT IS BAD ABOUT IT AND THE STUDENTS ARE EXCITED TO USE IT AS A STUDY AID TO GET A GOOD START, AS A SUMMARY TOOL.

BECAUSE A LOT ARE-- ABOUT GOOGLE AND USING GOGGLE SEARCH FOR THINGS HAS BECOME PRETTY COMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW AND IT IS CLUNGY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

THEY ARE SEEING THIS AS ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX AND LOOKING TO FACULTY AND LOOKING TO TEACHERS TO SAY HOW CAN I USE THIS.

HOW CAN THIS HELP MY LEARNING.

HOW CAN THIS HELP ME LEARN MORE FOR YOUR COURSE.

>> Reilly: TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT AS YOU DESCRIBE THAT POTENTIAL, LAURA I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU TO HEAR ABOUT CREATIVE USES THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING UP WITH.

BUT JOHN AS YOU DESCRIBED THAT POTENTIAL USE, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE FRUITFUL ONLY FOR AS LONG AS THIS THING REMAINS AT THE CURRENT LEVEL IT'S AT.

OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T GET A WHOLE LOT BETTER.

WHAT HAPPENS OR HOW MIGHT YOU USE IT WHEN THIS TECHNOLOGY OR SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY, SUCCESSOR TECHNOLOGY IS ABLE TO WRITE A PAPER THAT DOES DO THE THINGS YOU SAID IT DOESN'T DO RIGHT NOW.

AND MAYBE WOULD BE EXEMPLARY AND GET A STUDENT AN A IF THEY ACTUALLY WROTE IT THEMSELVES.

>> WELL, THE THINK ABOUT A DIFFERENT FORE MAT.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS HAVE I BEEN THINKING ABOUT.

IF THE MID-TERMS AND FINALS, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN THINKING I AM CHANGING NEXT SEMESTER BUT ST RIGHT THERE.

I TALKED TO THE WHO WORKS THERE, AND SAID I WANT TO GET MY SPHEUDS A VISUALIZATION ASSIGNMENT.

IT IS REALLY FOLLOWS REALLY WELL, WHAT POLITICAL SCIENCE COURSE AND SO I WILL HAVE THE STUDENTSGO THROUGH THE CASE STUDIES THAT WE DO.

AND WE'RE GOING TO LEARN HOW HOW TO CODE T HOW TO PRESENT IT AND LEARN HOW TO TELL A STORY WITH DIGITAL TOOLS, IMAGES, CHARTS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

IT FORCES US TO RETHINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN STUDENTS AND I THINK THIS IS A HUGE OPPORTUNITY ESPECIALLY IN LIBERAL ARTS AND SOCIAL SCIENCES TO RETHINK WHAT WE ARE CHALLENGING STUDENTS WITH.

INSTEAD OF A MID-TERM OR FINAL AND WRITE AN ESSAY AND THAT IS IT, ST DONE WITH, YOU GET THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF POTENTIAL IS THERE TO TELL THE STUDENTS TO BE CREATIVE, TO ENGAGE IN AMAZING WORK WITH ALL THESE WONDERFUL TOOLS THAT WE HAVE.

BUT THAT VL HARD TO DO.

IT WORKS FOR 35 STEURKSD MY COURSE WHEN HAVE I THE SKILL SET TO GUIDE THROUGH THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE 400 STUDENTS, THAT SAY DIFFERENT TASK.

>> GOOD POINT.

>> BUT FACULTY ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO THINK HARD ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO CHALLENGE STUDENTS TASKED WITH DOING THINGS IN THIS DAY AND AGE AND IT INVOLVES THINGS LIKE JUDGMENT, DISSERNLT, GIVING THEM PROBLEMS.

AND THAT IS HARD WORK.

>> Reilly: HARD WORK FOR THE STUDENTS AND HARD WORK FORTH INSTRUCTORS PEDESTRIAN GOJICALLY.

LAURA MECKLER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USING THIS CREATIVELY.

JOHN HAS GIVEN EXAMPLES THERE.

ARE THERE OTHER ONELESS YOU RUN INTO THAT YOU THINK ARE HARDENING BY THOSE US WHO ARE SPOOKED BY THIS SORT OF TECHNOLOGY?

>> WELL, I THINK THERE ARE SORT OF A COUPLE WAYS I HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THIS.

THERE IS THE SCOMMING UP WITH MORE CREATIVE QUESTIONS.

SO THAT YOU, THE BOT CAN'T ANSWER IT.

SO HOW DID YOU, DESCRIBE YOUR THINKING AS YOU ARRIVED AT THIS ANSWER.

SO THAT SORT OF THING.

SO THEN IT REALLY REQUIRES YOU TO PUT YOURSELF INTO IT.

THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT FOR A BOT TO ANSWER THOSE KIENSD OF QUESTIONS.

AND JUST Z TZ HIGHER LEVEL OF REASONING.

LIKE IT DOESN'T DO VERY WELL WHEN YOU START ASKING IT TO BE MORE SOPHISTICATED.

IT DOES IT REALLY WELL WHEN YOU ARE ASKING FOR BASIC INFORMATION, BASIC BACKBONE INFORMATION.

LIST OF THINGS BUT IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR DEEPER ANALYSIS, THAT IS WHEN IT STARTS GETTING CAUGHT.

TO YOUR POINT, EARLIER THAT MAY CHANGE OVER TIME AS IT GETS BETTER AND BETTER.

BUT THE MORE SOPHISTICATED THE QUESTION, THE HARDER IT IS FOR THEM TO ANSWER IT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I HEARD IS THE LESS, AND I WILL JUST ADD ONE OTHER POINT, WHICH IS I HEARD SOME TEACHERS TALK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT PROFESSORS TALK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN-- SORT OF, RATHER THAN JUST LIKE DENY IT, AND FIGHT IT, YOU KNOW, AK TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S THERE.

WHY DON'T YOU USE IT.

AND MAKE THAT YOUR STARTING POINT FOR AN ESSAY.

SO MAYBE THE ASSIGNMENT IS SHOW ME YOU WHAT GOT FROM GPT AND SHOW ME WHAT YOU DID TO MAKE THIS DEEPER.

>> THAT IS INTERESTING.

THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT LAURA BECAUSE IT IS IN THE ELEMENTS WHERE CHAT GPT IS MISSING THIS, TO YOUR POINT, ADAM.

WHAT IS MISSING THERE, IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE REFERENCES T DOESN'T HAVE THAT PERSONALITY, THAT BECOMES A GREAT TEACHING POINT.

AND WITH A LOT OF FACULTY ARE STARTING TO DO IS ASK THE STUDENTS TO PUT THIS QUESTION TO CHAT GPT AND KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT WORKS, TO REFINE IT, UNTIL YOU GET AN ANSWER YOU ARE HAPPY WITH AND UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IF SAY REALLY GOOD ANSWER AND YOU TELL ME WHY.

THAT IS EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE HEAR ABOUT CRITICAL THINKING.

>> AND THE OTHER, ANOTHER RESPONSE YOU GET FROM IT IS MORE OF A DEFENSIVE, HOW DO I FIGHT THIS RESPONSE.

>> Reilly: THAT IS MY FIRST INSTINCT.

>> SOME WOULD SAY THINGS LIKE YOU HAVE TO WRITE YOUR ANSWERS BY HAND IN CLASS.

SO IF YOU ARE DOING AN INCLASS ASSIGNMENT WITH A BLUE BOOK, ARE YOU NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE CHAT GPT, SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS ALSO SOME TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT TURN IT IN, WHICH IS ALREADY A COMPANY OUT THERE THAT DETECTS PLAGIARISM THAT IS WORKING ON NEW TECHNIQUES TO DID HE TECT THE USE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

EVEN OPEN AI, THE COMPANY THAT MAKES CHAT GPT IS TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO CREATE LIKE WATERMARKS AND THINGS THAT, OTHER WAYS TO DEFEAT IT SO THAT IT COULDN'T BE MISUSED.

SO THERE ARE ALSO TECHNOLOGY ANSWERS THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND ABOUT THAT.

WELL THE MORE INTERESTING WAY TOES FIGHT IT THAT I FOUND INTERESTING WHEN I PUT INTO THE CHAT GPT WHEN I WAS WRITING A STORY ABOUT THIS.

I PUT IN HOW DO WE PREVENT USING YOUR TOOL TO CHEAT.

AND ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS FROM CHAT GPT THAT CAME IN WAS EMPHASIZE ANNETTE KAL GUIDE ONLINE AND SPIRIT OF CONFORMING WITH EXPECTATIONS.

AND AN HONOR CODE.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CULTURE OF TRUST, YOU WON'T CHEAT.

SO OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION.

>> Reilly: I KIND OF LIKE THAT.

I WILL CONFESS, I IMAGINE THE COMPUTER SAYS-- UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

I'VE GOT ABOUT 20 MORE QUESTIONS FOR EACH OF YOU.

LAURA MECKLER, JOHN FITZGIBBON, THANK YOU BOTH.

>> YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM JOHN, AND OTHER EDUCATION AND TECHNOLOGY EXPERTS FROM BOSTON COLLEGE, YOU CAN CATCH THEIR PANEL ON CHAT GPT NEXT THURSDAY.

FOR MORE INFO, HEAD TO: BC.EDU/EVENTS.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.

WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW WITH THE NEW HEAD OF THE COMMONWEALTH FUND, JOSEPH BETANCOURT, ON HIS PLANS TO HELP TACKLE RACIAL AND ECONOMIC DISPARITIES IN HEALTHCARE.

THAT AND MORE, TOMORROW AT 7:00.

I'M ADAM REILLY.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

GOOD NIGHT.

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