>>> HELLO, EVERYONE.

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>>> WHAT I THINK WILL DISTINGUISH THIS ADMINISTRATION , IN ITS FIRST YEAR, AT LEAST, IS THAT THERE WILL BE A DEGREE OF A TUG OF WAR.

>> TWO WEEKS UNTIL TROMP, FORMER FOUR STAR GENERAL DAVIS ON HOW A U.S. FOREIGN POLICY COULD CHANGE IN THE NEXT TERM.

>>> APOLITICAL UPDATE IN CANADA.

WE GET THE LATEST ON THE FATE OF ITS LONGTIME LEADER, JUSTIN TRUDEAU.

>>> THEN, ASAD'S TOXIC LEGACY.

WE BRING YOU ON A DANGEROUS MISSION INSIDE OF A SUSPECTED CHEMICAL LAB IN DAMASCUS.

>> WHAT'S TO STOP DONALD TRUMP FROM COMMITTING THOSE ACTS AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN NO ACCOUNTABILITY.

>> JANUARY 6, FOUR YEARS LATER.

FORMER CAPITOL HILL POLICE OFFICER, HARRY DUNN JOINS HARI SREENIVASAN ON THE REFLECTIONS ON THE DAY THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE FOREVER.

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XXXX >>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I AM BEYOND THE NEW YORK, SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

>>> IN TWO WEEKS TIME, DONALD TRUMP WILL BE INAUGURATED AT THE U.S. CAPITOL, WHERE FOUR YEARS AGO TODAY, HIS SUPPORTERS SWARMED AND VIOLENTLY TRY TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION.

TROMP'S RETURN TO POWER WILL MEAN IS A BIG UNKNOWN.

ON THE WORLD STAGE, THE NEW ADMINISTRATION WILL HAVE TO CONFRONT A SLEW OF CHALLENGES, THE ONGOING WARS IN UKRAINE AND GAZA, THE MIDDLE EAST WITH AN ENORMOUS DISRUPTION, AND AMERICA'S COMPETITION WITH CHINA.

DAVID PETRONIUS IS A WELL- KNOWN, HIGHLY DECORATED FOUR STAR GENERAL HAVING HEADED UP SAID, BEFORE LEAVING THE CIA.

HE RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR FOR THE PITFALLS FACING THE NEW ADMINISTRATION.

>> Reporter: GENERAL DAVID PORTRAYS, WELCOME BACK TO OUR PROGRAM.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU, THANK YOU.

>> THERE SEEMS TO BE SO MUCH ON THE MAP THAT COULD POSE ANY NUMBER OF CHALLENGES, AND MAYBE SOME OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AHEAD, BROADLY LEAKING, WOULD YOU IDENTIFY THE BIGGEST POINTS OF INTEREST FOR THE UNITED STATES?

>> I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL, BUT THE VERY BIGGEST ALWAYS HAS TO BE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE U.S. AND OUR WESTERN ALLIES, PARTNERS IN CHINA.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT OF ALL THE GEOPOLITICAL CHALLENGES THAT LIES AHEAD, NOTING THAT THERE IS ALSO OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, WHETHER THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOME DEAL CONSTRUCTED THERE, AND ALL THE ONGOING CHALLENGES IN SYRIA TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT HTS, THE GROUP THAT HAS TAKEN DAMASCUS, THE CAPITOL, CAN BRING DOWN ALL THE OTHER GROUPS THAT CURRENTLY CONTROL TERRAIN THERE AS WELL.

>> NOT TO MENTION THE BIG WOUND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, ISRAEL, PALESTINE AND THE DECADES OF UNRESOLVED CRISES THERE AND CONFLICT.

I WANT TO START WITH CHINA, SINCE YOU NAMED IT.

THE LAST THREE OR FOUR ADMINISTRATIONS, THERE HAS BEEN THIS IDEA OF PIPIT TOWARD CHINA, YET, IT SEEMS TO US, AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, NOTHING SEEMS TO GET DONE IN A MAJOR, STRATEGIC WAY AND THE U.S.

KEEPS GETTING DISTRACTED, IF I CAN USE THAT WORD, BY RUSSIA, UKRAINE, THE MIDDLE EAST, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT POP UP AND PROVE THAT THE U.S.

CANNOT TAKE ITS EYE OFF TOO MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD.

WHAT ABOUT CHINA DO YOU SEE SPECIFICALLY FOR 2025?

>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, I THINK WHAT YOU JUST HIGHLIGHTED IS THE CONTINUED NEED FOR THE UNITED STATES TO KEEP A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLATES SPINNING.

THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN PIVOT AWAY FROM ONE AREA, SAY, THE MIDDLE EAST, WHERE WE ARE SO PREOCCUPIED OF COURSE FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO DECADES TO CHINA, THAT WAS NEVER THE RIGHT APPROACH.

IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REBALANCE.

IN FACT, I THINK THE MORE ASTUTE INDIVIDUALS THAT USE THAT TERM, REBALANCE ASIA, A HIGH PRIORITY, BUT RECOGNIZING YOU STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN A PRESENCE AND CAPABILITIES ON WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST, JUST AS YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO HELP UKRAINE, WHICH IS FIGHTING, OF COURSE, THE MAJOR ENEMY OF NATO, AND U.S.

INTERESTS IN EUROPE.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT CHINA, IT IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ACHIEVE SOME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THAT RECOGNIZES THE CHALLENGES AND THE INTERESTS ON EACH SIDE ME SOME OF WHICH ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

THEY ARE INCOMPATIBLE ME BUT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THAT RELATIONSHIP TO ME AND THIS WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THERE WILL BE SOME IN THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IN WASHINGTON WHO MAY BE DESCRIBED AS THE COUPLERS, VERY LARGE TERRACE THE COUPLE OUR ECONOMY TO THE EXTENT WE CAN EXTEND, AND OTHERS WILL BE DEALMAKERS, AND A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MONTH THAT LIE AHEAD WILL BE DETERMINED BY WHICH OF THOSE CAMPS IS IN THE ASCENDANT, ALSO OF COURSE IN THE ADMINISTRATION STILL, TRADITIONAL PEACE AND STRENGTH REAGAN REPUBLICANS STILL IN THAT PARTY AS WELL.

>> BUT TROMP WILL BE THE DECIDER, IS HE A DEALMAKER OR DECOUPLE HER?

>> I THINK HE CAN BE A BIT OF BOTH.

IN FACT, I THINK THE DECOUPLE ASPECT WILL BE USED AS LEVERAGE TO TRY TO BE THE DEALMAKER.

I THINK THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A DEAL THERE, ALSO, BY THE WAY, IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ALSO PERHAPS IN UKRAINE, ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN SUSTAIN UKRAINIANS, HELP THE UKRAINIANS TO THE POINT THEY CAN FINALLY ESTABLISH A CONDITION IN WHICH VLADIMIR PUTIN RECOGNIZES, HE CANNOT ACHIEVE ADDITIONAL GAINS ON THE BATTLEFIELD AT ACCEPTABLE COSTS.

WE ARE A LONG WAY AWAY FROM THAT NOW, AND THE SITUATION IS TENUOUS.

IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING A DEAL THERE, EVEN ONE THAT EXCEEDS 20% OF UKRAINIAN TERRITORY TO RUSSIA AND RETURN TO A CEASE-FIRE THAT NEEDS TO HAVE A SECURITY GUARANTEE, BUT IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT, WE SHOULD HELP UKRAINE EVEN MORE TO STABILIZE THAT FRONT LINE AND SHOW PUTIN THAT THE TIME FOR A CEASE-FIRE IS NOW.

>> THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE BEEN THE CASE.

I GUESS I REALLY WANT TO ASK YOU, IS IT CORRECT FOR PEOPLE LIKE J.D.

VANCE, AND YOU KNOW THE OTHERS, THAT WANT TO STOP AIDE AND THEY ARE TO PERPETRATE THIS IDEA THAT AMERICANS SPEND TOO MUCH AND THAT IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY?

THE AIE, THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE HAS JUST COME OUT WITH A BIG ARTICLE THAT SAYS, IT IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE TO ACTUALLY GET DRAGGED INTO A WAR AND HAVE TO FIGHT ONE IF AMERICA FINDS ITSELF FACING OFF AGAINST RUSSIA, THEN TO SUPPORT UKRAINE.

>> I AM MUCH MORE IN THE CAMP OF WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED OF THE AIE STUDY .

KEEP IN MIND, THAT IS AN INSTITUTION THAT IS GENERALLY RIGHT OF CENTER.

BY THE WAY IF YOU DO NOT HELP UKRAINE IN ITS HOUR OF NEED YOU COMPLETELY UNDERMINE DETERRENCE IN THE INDO PACIFIC REGION, NOTING THAT DETERRENCE RESTAURANT TWO ELEMENTS, POTENTIAL ADVERSARIES, CAPABLE THIS ON ONE HAND AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DEPLOY THEM ON THE OTHER.

IF YOU CAN HELP THEM ON ONE HAND, WHY DO THEY THINK YOU WILL HELP IN A SITUATION THAT MIGHT INVOLVE TAIWAN THE SAME IF YOU DON'T HELP ISRAEL AND THE GULF STATES IN THEIR HOUR OF NEED AGAINST IRAN AND ITS PROXIES, WHICH ARE VERY DRAMATICALLY DIMINISHED, OF COURSE, AS A RESULT OF THE LAST YEAR'S WORTH OF FIGHTING.

IT IS NOT ONLY NOT A DIVERSION TO HELP UKRAINE IT IS AN IMPERATIVE, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T STOP RUSSIA, OF COURSE, RUSSIA WILL KEEP GOING, AS YOU KNOW.

MOLDOVA WILL BE NEXT, AND LITHUANIA, WHICH IS A NATO MEMBER.

WE CAN'T KEEP ALL THESE PLATES SPENDING SPINNING SIMULTANEOUSLY.

THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE PRIORITY IS WITH CHINA.

THAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THAT WILL DETERMINE REALLY THE COURSE OF YEARS, MAYBE EVEN DECADES THAT LIE AHEAD.

SEGMENT THAT IS A MACRO WORLDVIEW THAT IS TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN, AND BIPARTISAN, GENERALLY, BUT THE CURRENT NOMINEES FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP'S KEY SECURITY AND MILITARY APPOINTMENTS DO NOT BELIEVE THAT, NOR DOES VICE PRESIDENT.

I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU IS, MITCH McCONNELL WAS RECENTLY WRITTEN A BIG ARTICLE ABOUT HOW AMERICA, IF IT WANTS TO KEEP LEADING THE WORLD, DOES, AS YOU SAY, NEED TO KEEP ALL OF THESE PLATES SPINNING AND CANNOT RETREAT INTO ISOLATIONISM.

DO YOU THINK THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS THE TRUMP PARTY ACCEPTS THAT, AND WILL ACTUALLY DO THAT, DESPITE WHAT THEY SAY RHETORICALLY?>> FIRST AND FOREMOST, ON CAPITOL HILL ME BOTH HOUSES NOW CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICANS, THERE IS STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THAT PARTICULAR APPROACH DESCRIBED BY FORMER LEADER McCONNELL.

THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THROUGHOUT THE NATIONAL SECURITY BODIES OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH THAT HAVE THAT SAME INCLINATION, BUT AS YOU NOTED, THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE A BIT MORE OF PERHAPS SEE AMERICA FIRST ISOLATIONISM CAMP , OR ALSO EVEN OF THE DECOUPLE CAMP.

I THINK WHAT WILL DISTINGUISH THIS ADMINISTRATION IN ITS FIRST YEAR, AT LEAST, IS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A DEGREE OF A TUG-OF-WAR BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT CAMPS THAT ARE THE TRADITIONAL, BIPARTISAN AMERICA SHOULD LEAD THE WORLD, BUT SHOULD IT IN A THOUGHTFUL MANNER, AND THOSE WHO SAY THAT WE ARE OVERSTRETCHED, PERHAPS WE ONLY NEED TO FOCUS ON ONE PART OF THE WORLD, AND THOSE THAT SAY, WE SHOULD JUST LET THE WORLD GO ITS OWN WAY, AND HUNKER DOWN IN FORTRESS AMERICA.

I THINK THERE WILL BE THAT KIND OF DEBATE, A HEALTHY DEBATE.

I HOPE THAT WHAT PREVAILS IS THE VIEW THAT AMERICA HAS TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE WORLD, BUT CERTAINLY, ITS ALLIES AND PARTNERS, THAT WE SHOULD INSIST ON THEM MORE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN DOING MORE, BUT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO EVEN MORE.

SOME OF THE THREATS, SOME OF THE TERRORISTS, AND SO FORTH, WILL ACTUALLY BE DESIGNED TO DO THAT.

MY HOPE IS, THEY WILL DO THAT, AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THOSE THREATS, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE DIRE IMPLICATIONS ECONOMICALLY AT VERY SUBSTANTIAL LEVELS.

>> ECONOMICALLY FOR THE VERY PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP TO MAKE THEIR LIVES, THEIR ECONOMIC LIVES BETTER.

I WANT TO ASK YOU THOUGH, YOU SAID IT IS A HEALTHY DEBATE FOR ISOLATIONISM FOR A GLOBAL LEADER , AND YET, IT HAS BEEN CRITICALLY CREDIBLY REPORTED THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE ZHENGDING, THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA, PEOPLE LIKE VLADIMIR PUTIN, THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA, NOT AMERICA'S BEST FRIENDS ARE SALIVATING AT THE IDEA THAT A NEW TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL SIMPLY HASTEN AMERICA'S DECLINE, IS IT A HEALTHY DEBATE IN PUBLIC TO ADVERTISE YOUR MOST SENIOR LEADERSHIP, ADVERTISING THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO PULL AMERICA BACK FROM GLOBAL LEADERSHIP?

>> IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION.

IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT OUR ALLIES AND PARTNERS ARE PULLING THEIR SHARE BY CARRYING OUT THIS KIND OF RHETORICAL EXERCISE, YOU CAN GET THEM TO DO MORE EVEN AS YOU SUSTAIN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU DO.

AS I STATED EARLIER, I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THAT APPROACH THAT WAS DESCRIBED BY SENATOR McCONNELL.

I THINK IT HAS GENERALLY SERVED US WELL, EXCEPT WHEN WE HAVE GOT PERHAPS MORE INTERVENTIONIST THAN TIME IT SHOWED WAS THE RIGHT COURSE YEARS LATER.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THIS DEBATE WILL BE ONE THAT IS CARRIED OUT AND IT WILL BE DIFFERENT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION THAN THE PAST ADMINISTRATION, WHICH GENERALLY HAD A PRETTY COHERENT VIEW AMONG THE SENIOR INDIVIDUALS.

WE KNEW ALL OF THEM, ALL HAD BEEN AROUND SENATOR, AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR YEARS.

FRANKLY, IT DID HAVE SOME ELEMENTS IN WHICH I STRONGLY DISAGREED, SUCH AS A WITHDRAW FROM AFGHANISTAN, THE WEIGHT WAS CONDUCTED THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY, EVEN THOUGH THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD DONE THAT AGREEMENT AND UNDERMINED DETERRENCE I THINK WITH PUTIN AS HE CONTEMPLATED INVADING UKRAINE.

I THINK WE DID A SUPERB JOB IN LEADING THE RESPONSE TO UKRAINE, BUT THEN WE TEMPER MY ANGER WAS THE, ABOUT SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY INEVITABLY WE WOULD SAY YES AND SHOULD HAVE SAID YES MUCH EARLY ON, AND PROVIDED THE CAPABILITIES TO UKRAINE THAT WE ULTIMATELY PROVIDED, BUT WHEN THEY COULD HAVE USED THEM MORE EFFECTIVELY IN MANY CASES.

>> THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD DONE THAT DEAL, WHICH COULD BY SHORT TERM AS HEADED THEM BACK TO THE TALIBAN ON A SILVER PLATTER.

THE REASON I PUT IT THAT WAY AND ASK YOU NOW, DO YOU THINK THAT COULD BE THE WORST CASE TEMPLATE SCENARIO FOR A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION VIEW OF HOW TO END THE WAR IN UKRAINE?

LIKE HAND IT OVER WITHOUT SECURITY GUARANTEES, WITHOUT EVOLVING THE ACTUAL LEGITIMATE LEADERS OF UKRAINE?

>> I THINK IT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, ABSOLUTELY.

BY THE WAY THE COMIC TO AFGHANISTAN, WE ONLY HAD 225 TROOPS ON THE GROUND WHEN WE WITHDREW.

NATO AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAD 8500, AND WE HAD NOT LOST A SOLDIER IN COMBAT IN 18 MONTHS.

WE DID NOT HAVE TO WITHDRAW.

THAT WAS SUSTAINABLE IN A WAY SAY VIETNAM WAS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

WE HAD TO GET OUT OF VIETNAM.

I DID ACTUALLY SAY A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS PRIOR TO THE WITHDRAWAL, I FEARED THAT THE PSYCHOLOGICAL COLLAPSE OF THE AFGHAN SECURITY FORCES WHEN THEY REALIZED NO ONE WAS COMING TO THEIR RESCUE, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW.

WITH RESPECT TO UKRAINE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SECURITY GUARANTEE.

PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IS NOW INDICATING SOMETHING HE NEVER DID BEFORE, WHICH IS A WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW RUSSIA TO CONTINUE TO OCCUPY THE 20% OF THE TERRITORY THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN IN THE TWO INVASIONS.

IN THE PAST, THAT WAS NEVER SOMETHING HE WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE AS A POSSIBILITY.

THAT IS A BIG DEVELOPMENT.

THERE IS A WAR WEARINESS IN THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE AND OBVIOUSLY THE FRONTLINES THAT WAS NOT PRESENT EVEN SAY SIX TO 12 MONTHS AGO.

THERE IS A WILLINGNESS TO NEGOTIATE THERE, BUT HE CAN'T DO THAT DEAL, UNLESS IT IS SUSTAINABLE, UNLESS IT IS GOING TO BE ENDURING.

YOU CAN'T JUST LET RUSSIA TAKE A KNEE FOR A FEW YEARS, REARM, RETRAIN, AND SO FORTH RECONSTITUTE ITS FORCES, AND GO AT IT AGAIN.

THERE HAS TO BE FOR PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY, SOME MECHANISM THAT WILL ENSURE THEIR SECURITY.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT GENERAL KELLOGG , WHO BY THE WAY WAS ONE OF MY BOSSES IN THE 82nd AIRBORNE DIVISION, CLEARLY RECOGNIZES THAT AND WILL PURSUE THAT.

>> DO YOU THINK WHAT KELLOGG HAS SAID PUBLICLY BODES WELL FOR WHAT YOU ARE HOPING HE DOES?

>> WELL, IT IS HARD TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES.

HE HAS LAID OUT HOW THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF MILITARIZED ZONE AND OTHER MECHANISMS THAT I WILL THINK WILL HELP TO ENSURE DURABILITY FOR THE CEASE-FIRE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF GUARANTEE, IDEALLY WOULD BE EUROPEAN AND U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SUCH AS YOU HAVE IN THE THREE NATO COUNTRIES IN THE BALTIC STATES, LITHUANIA, ESTONIA, AND LATVIA.

THERE ARE NOT HUGE NUMBERS, BUT ENOUGH TO GUARANTEE NATO WILL BE IN THAT FIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.

I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN UKRAINE, NOTING PERHAPS THE DESIRABILITY BY THE NEW ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE IT BE EUROPEAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND, RATHER THAN U.S. AND EUROPEAN.

EITHER WAY, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT AND WILL ENSURE THAT RUSSIA DOES NOT THINK TWICE ABOUT INVADING AGAIN.

>> GENERAL, BASICALLY, IRAN'S EVEN CONVENTIONAL WARFARE HAS PROVED TO BE KIND OF A PAPER TIGER IN THE BATTLE OF THE MISSILES, RIGHT?

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES, DO YOU THINK THAT COULD-- I MEAN, PUT YOUR CIA HAD ON YOUR REGIONAL HAT ON, COULD THAT PROXY PUSH IRAN TO MAKE A POLITICAL AGREEMENT TOWARD A NUCLEAR WEAPON?

>> THE IRANIAN, CONVENTIONAL FORCE WAS SHOWN TO HAVE VERY, VERY LITTLE EFFECT ON ISRAEL.

COULD THAT LEAD THEM TO SPREAD TO A NUCLEAR WEAPON?

ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK SO.

AS LONG AS THE UNITED STATES IS VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT WE WILL NOT ALLOW IRAN TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON AND PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP STATED THAT EVEN BEFORE TAKING OFFICE, I THINK HE IS GOING TO CONTINUE THE POLICY OF ALL THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE HIM IN ENSURING THAT WE HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.

>> AND FINALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP APPEARS TO BE PUTTING LOYALISTS ALL OVER THE MAP, INCLUDING IN THE PENTAGON, AND POTENTIALLY CONVERTING A MILITARY CIVILIAN SORT OF SEPARATION INTO A MUCH MORE POLITICAL DOD.

>> CHRISTIANE, LET ME JUST SAY, I THINK A BEDROCK PRINCIPLE OF OUR MILITARY HAS BEEN, AND NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO BE THAT WE ARE NOT POLITICAL, THAT WE ARE NOT OVERTLY SUPPORTING ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER, PARTICULARLY IN THE SENIOR RANKS.

I WOULD EVEN SUBMIT THAT IT IS NOT HELPFUL FOR THOSE STILL IN UNIFORM, IT IS THOSE THAT HAVE RETIRED ARE VERY ACTIVE POLITICALLY AT THE VERY TOP.

THE MILITARY IS A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION, CIVILIAN CONTROL OF THE MILITARY IS ANOTHER BEDROCK PRINCIPLE.

I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT ON BOTH CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP AND MILITARY LEADERSHIP IN PARTICULAR TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE MILITARY EXECUTES FATEFULLY THE LEGAL ORDERS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THEM, AND THAT THE OATH OF THE CONSTITUTION AND SO FORTH IS A SACRA SITE.

>> GENERAL TO ME THANK YOU.

WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO 2025.

THANKS SO MUCH.

>>> NOW TO MAJOR NEWS OUT OF CANADA AFTER MORE THAN NINE YEARS IN OFFICE, PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS LEFT STEPPING DOWN.

>> LAST NIGHT OVER DINNER, I TOLD MY KIDS ABOUT THE DECISION I AM SHARING WITH YOU TODAY.

I INTEND TO RESIGN AS PARTY LEADER, AS PRIME MINISTER AFTER THE PARTY SELECTS ITS NEXT LEADER THROUGH A ROBUST, NATIONWIDE, COMPETITIVE PROCESS.

>> TRUDEAU'S LIBERAL PARTY HAS BEEN TAKING IN THE POLLS, PROMPTING HIM TO GET OUT NOW BEFORE THE GENERAL ELECTION THIS YEAR, HIS PARTY IS WIDELY EXPECTED TO LOSE.

WITH ME NOW IS KENNEDY'S FORMER ADVISOR CATHERINE McKENNA, WHO HAS BEEN OUTSPOKEN AGAINST THE PRIME MINISTER, CALLING ON HIM TO RESIGN SINCE THE SUMMER.

CATHERINE McKENNA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

ON ONE HAND, THIS WAS A LONG TIME COMING, NONETHELESS, THIS IS A PIVOTAL MOMENT FOR DOMESTIC POLITICS IN CANADA THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES WORLDWIDE.

HERE, I WANT TO GET TO THE IMPACT ON THE U.S. AND THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION HERE IN A MOMENT.

FROM YOUR PROSPECTIVE, YOU COME ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS, HAVE BEEN CALLING FROM FOR HIS RESIGNATION FROM WITHIN YOUR OWN PARTY.

WHY DO YOU THINK IT TOOK HIM THIS LONG TO FINALLY DO IT?

>> LOOK, I THINK IT IS HARD TO LEAVE SOMETIMES.

I WANTED TO SAY, WHEN I CALLED FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO RESIGN, I WAS CLEAR HE HAD A LEGACY TO BE PROUD OF.

I WAS CLEAR ON THAT, EVERYTHING FROM AMBITIOUS CLIMATE ACTION TO REDUCING CHILD POVERTY BY HALF, GOING THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, RENEGOTIATING.

THERE WAS A LOT TO BE PROUD OF.

AFTER ALMOST A DECADE, CANADIANS WERE DEFINITELY TIRED OF THE PRIME MINISTER, AND WE WERE FACING DEVASTATING LOSS IN ELECTION WHERE WE WOULD LOSE ALL THE PROGRESS WE MADE.

LOOK, IT TOOK A LONG TIME, THAT IS TRUE, BUT I THINK HE DID THE RIGHT THING TODAY, AND NOW WE NEED TO PICK A NEW LEADER.

THERE IS A REAL CHOICE BECAUSE THERE IS AN UPCOMING ELECTION.

IT HAS TO HAPPEN BY OCTOBER AND IT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN EARLIER.

>> TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE POLICIES YOU THINK, I GUESS YOU HOPE ME THAT THE LIBERAL PARTY CAN STILL FOCUS ON, AND IMPROVE THE LIVING STANDARDS AMONG CANADIANS TO ULTIMATELY WIN IN THE ELECTION, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT WHAT THE POLLS SUGGEST RIGHT NOW.

YES, JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS BEEN IN OFFICE A LONG TIME, PERHAPS YOU CAN CALL THIS TRUDEAU FATIGUE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ISSUES VOTERS REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH, IT IS THE ECONOMY, UNEMPLOYMENT AND THE COUNTRY STANDS AT 70%, THE COST OF LIVING AND HOUSING HAS SOARED, INFLATION, JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD, HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR CANADIANS.

WAS THERE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU, BUT YOUR PARTY AS A WHOLE TO TACKLE THESE ISSUES EFFECTIVELY?

>> LOOK, THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER.

AND I THINK IT HAS BEEN A REALLY CHALLENGING TIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT INCUMBENTS AROUND THE WORLD, GOING THROUGH COVID WAS VERY CHALLENGING, AND AFTER THAT, HIGH INTEREST RATE, INFLATION, IN CANADA WE HAVE REALLY HIGH HOUSING PRICES.

CERTAINLY, THERE IS A LOT MORE TO DO TO SPEAK TO THE THINGS PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.

THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE DAY.

HAVING SAID THAT, EVEN ON ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE, THEY WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.

I THINK WE WILL SEE, THERE IS DEFINITELY TRUDEAU FATIGUE .

THE REALITY IS, IF WE GO INTO THE ELECTION WITH THE PRIME MINISTER AS JUSTIN TRUDEAU , THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT CANADIANS WOULD MASSIVELY VOTE HIM OUT AND THERE WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY.

NOW, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR REAL CHOICE.

THAT IS WHAT ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT, CHOICES.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT ACTUALLY BUILDING OUR COUNTRY, THAT IS EVERYTHING FROM BUILDING MORE HOUSING, BUT BUILDING THE CLEAN ENERGY WE NEED TO TACKLING POVERTY AND INEQUALITY, THOSE ARE STILL REALLY IMPORTANT.

THE REALITY IS, THE OPPOSITION LEADER IS NOT THAT POPULAR WITH CANADIANS.

I THINK IT IS JUST TIME FOR CANADIANS WILL HAVE TO VOTE AND MAKE A CHOICE, BUT WE NEED A NEW LEADER, NOT JUST VOTING AGAINST JUSTIN TRUDEAU, BUT ACTUALLY DECIDE WHO THEY ARE VOTING FOR.

>> LEAVES LIBERALS BY 25% AS OF TODAY.

HAVING A FACTOR IS THE DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION AND HIS TARIFF THREATS OF 25%, HOW BIG OF A FACTOR WAS THAT, DO YOU THINK WHEN JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S DECISION TO STEP DOWN?

HE FLEW DOWN TO MAR-A-LAGO, HE KNEW FROM FOR QUITE A WALKER, OBVIOUSLY DURING TRUMP'S FIRST TERM.

80% OF KENNEDY'S EXPORTS GO TO THE UNITED STATES.

DO YOU THINK HIS APPROACH TO DEALING WITH DONALD TRUMP, PERHAPS WITH THE FIRST TERM AND EVEN GOING INTO A SECOND, LED TO HIS TIMING NOW?

>> NO.

I THINK CANADIANS ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S THREAT OF 25% TARIFFS.

WE ARE, IF NOT THE BIGGEST MARKET FOR THE U.S., WE ARE RIGHT MY MEXICO.

WE USED TO BE THE BIGGEST MARKET .

ALSO, THESE TARIFFS ARE A REAL THREAT TO THE U.S. ECONOMY, BUT CANADIANS ARE ACTUALLY HAPPY WITH HOW WE HANDLE THE FIRST ROUND OF NAFTA NEGOTIATIONS.

IT LARGELY LEFT THE TRADING RELATIONSHIP INTACT, IT MADE SOME CHANGES THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED, SOME THAT WE WANTED, AND IT WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, CANADIANS ARE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP.

WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, DIFFERENT FROM THE UNITED STATES , EVEN THOUGH THE UNITED STATES IS OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, AND WE WANT TO GENERALLY SAY, OUR CLOSEST FRIEND, AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT GO TO FLORIDA IN THE SUMMER, OR IN THE WINTER.

I THINK CANADIANS DO WANT SOMEONE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED STATES AND HOPEFULLY PUT IT IN A POSITIVE SPACE.

THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM HERE.

THE PROBLEM WAS, CANADIANS WERE GENERALLY SICK OF THE PRIME MINISTER.

THE CHALLENGE NOW IS THAT TIMING IS AN ISSUE.

PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE IN OFFICE SOON, OR PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP, SO WE NEED TO HAVE STRONG LEADERSHIP AND TO DEAL WITH THE THREAT OF TARIFFS TO MAKE THE CASE THAT CANADA AND THE U.S. HAVE A VERY STRONG TRADING RELATIONSHIP AND WE ARE BETTER WORKING TOGETHER, THAT MEANS LOWER PRICES FOR EVERYONE.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF REASONS WHY PEOPLE DECIDE THEY ARE SICK OF LEADERS.

TIME IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM, AFTER 10 YEARS, AFTER A PANDEMIC , HE TOOK UP A LOT OF SPACE.

I THINK PEOPLE GOT TIRED.

THE QUESTION WILL BE, IN THE NEXT ELECTION, DO PEOPLE LOOK AT-- DO THEY JUST DECIDE, IT IS TIME FOR A CONSERVATIVE PARTY FOR ME IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE IN THE PARTY, OR DO THEY DECIDE THAT ACTUALLY THEY WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT IS ON OFFER?

FOR EXAMPLE, AN ISSUE I CARE GREATLY ABOUT, CLIMATE CHANGE, AS MUCH AS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE OF ANYTHING ELSE, WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN THE U.S. WITH THE IRA AND HUGE INVESTMENTS, THE CONSERVATIVES WILL DESTROY THAT.

THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY WILL REMOVE CARBON PRICING, BUT REMOVED ALL THE POLICIES AND PROGRESS WE'VE MADE.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS CANADIANS NEED TO MAKE A CHOICE ABOUT.

>> CONSERVATIVES, ALSO IN ADDITION TO POINTING TO WHAT THEY VIEW AS POOR MANAGEMENT AND ECONOMY, AND IMMIGRATION POLICY, THE ISSUE OF, SOMETHING WOKEISMTHAT HAS BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT, HE SAID, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN INFLICTED BY THIS UTOPIAN WOKISM, FOCUSED ON THE GRANDIOSITY OF THE LEADERSHIP AND PERSONALITIES ON TOP, AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GRAND AND GREAT ABOUT THE COMMON PEOPLE.

HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT?

THERE WAS EVEN SOME BACKLASH TO HOW JUSTIN TRUDEAU HANDLED SOME OF THESE ISSUES WITHIN THE LIBERAL PARTY ITSELF.

>> WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, WHEN PEOPLE JUST THROW OUT "AMANPOUR & CO", THEY SAY WORKING ON CLIMATE CHANGE IS WELCOME.

IT IS ACTUALLY A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE, ECONOMIC ISSUE, SECURITY ISSUE, ENVIRONMENT ISSUE.

THE ONE THING I DO NOT AGREE WITH ON MOST THINGS, AND I HAVE KNOWN HIM A LONG TIME, BUT I DO THINK EVERY POLITICIAN NEEDS TO BE VERY WELL AWARE, AND SPEAKING TO THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF PEOPLE COME AND PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY.

PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DECENT JOB, BEING ABLE TO HIGH A HOUSE.

THOSE ARE HARD ISSUES.

RIGHT NOW, IT IS EASY TO BE IN OPPOSITION, SCREAMING ABOUT THINGS, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO TACKLE THINGS AND THESE BIG CHALLENGES , AND IMPROVE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

THAT IS THE CASE THAT HAS TO BE MADE.

IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY, I'M GOING TO GET RID OF ALL CLIMATE ACTION.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY, I'M GOING TO GROW THE ECONOMY AND TACKLE CLIMATE CHANGE, OR I AM GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD A HOME.

THOSE ARE HARD THINGS TO DO, BUT I THINK YOU ALWAYS NEED TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE LIKE A REGULAR PERSON, AND I THINK SOMETIMES THAT WAS A CHALLENGE, AND SOMETIMES, THINGS WERE SAID AND NOT DELIVERED ON.

IF YOU SAY, YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST FEMINIST, AND THERE IS A CHALLENGE WITH WOMEN CABINET MINISTER, PEOPLE WILL LIKELY POINT OUT THAT IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOU NOT BEING FEMINIST, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS TRUE.

SOMETIMES, THAT HAPPENS.

AS I SAID, I THINK OVERALL, LOOKING AT WHERE WE ARE AT, I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST TIRED AFTER A DECADE WITH JUSTIN TRUDEAU , NOW THEY NEED REAL OPTIONS AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ELECTION.

THERE WILL BE A REAL CHOICE, THAT IS ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR.

PIERRE POILIEVRE IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE POLITICIAN.

USED TO HAVE A VERY CONSERVATIVE PARTY, WHERE BRIAN, WHO WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE UNITED STATES, AND RONALD REAGAN, THAT IS NOT THE PARTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

THE POLLING SHOWS THAT CANADIANS ARE MORE LEFT OF CENTER.

I THINK IF THE CHOICE WAS, DO YOU WANT JUSTIN TRUDEAU, CANADIANS WERE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THAT.

YOU PUT A POSITIVE PLATFORM OUT THERE AND THE CANADIANS WILL DECIDE.

>> I AM WONDERING YOUR REACTION WHEN ASKED TODAY IF HE HAD ANY REGRETS OVER HIS TENURE, JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID, THE BIGGEST REGRET THAT COMES TO MIND IS RIGHT CHOICE VOTING.

AFTER ALL OF THE ISSUES YOU AND I JUST DISCUSSED, THE ECONOMY, INFLATION, HOUSING, IMMIGRATION, EVEN CLIMATE POLICY, ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT IS WHAT HE WENT WITH MARK >> THAT WAS DEFINITELY A KEY COMMITMENT IN THE FIRST ELECTION CAMPAIGN, IT WOULD BE THE LAST ELECTION PAST THE POST.

I THINK THE REASON HE SAID THAT, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PRIME MINISTER, BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE CHOOSING AN ISSUE, THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES YOU CAN ALWAYS THINK YOU CAN DO BETTER ON.

I THINK HE WAS MAKING THE POINT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF POLARIZATION, SO CANADIANS ARE FORCED WITH A CHOICE, IF YOU HAVE POOR REPRESENTATION, OR RANK PALLET, WHERE YOU CAN SO WE BRING TOGETHER COALITIONS, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU COULD VOTE IN A RUNNING AND IT WOULD NOT MATTER HOW YOU VOTE, BECAUSE AN ELECTION WITH THAT RUNNING WAS ALWAYS GOING TO GO TO ONE PARTY .

I THINK HE IS SAYING, IT IS PROBABLY MORE REFLECTION OF POLARIZATION AS WELL.

>> CATHERINE McKENNA, WE WILL HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING THE PROGRAM.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>>> NOW TO A NEW YEAR AND NEW START FOR SYRIA.

TAKE A LOOK AT THESE EUPHORIC CELEBRATIONS IN DAMASCUS, WHERE PEOPLE BROUGHT IN 2025 IN STYLE .

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THE COUNTRY WILL BE FREE OF A SIDE RULE SINCE 1970, AND WITHOUT CIVIL WAR IN MORE THAN A DECADE.

IT WILL BE A TOUGH ROAD FORWARD, THOUGH, ACCORDING TO REPORTS.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS LOOKING TO EASE RESTRICTIONS ON PROVIDING AID TO THE NATION, SOMETHING WHICH COULD PROVIDE RELIEF FROM CURRENT U.S. SANCTIONS, MANY OF WHICH WERE PUT INTO PLACE AFTER ASAD USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE, A TRULY TERRIBLE LEGACY, WHICH SYRIANS ARE NOW TRYING TO BRING TO LIGHT.

>> Reporter: THEY ARE GEARING UP FOR ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS MISSIONS IN SYRIA, AND THEY HAVE TO BE PREPARED.

EXPOSURE COULD BE LETHAL.

>> WHILE WE ARE FISHING, WE RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT THEY COULD HAVE DESIRED MATERIALS IN THIS FACILITY.

>> Reporter: THE WHITE HELMETS VOLUNTEER RESCUE GROUP SUSPECTS THIS IS A CHEMICAL WEAPONS RESEARCH SITE.

WE JOINED THEIR HAZMAT TEAM AT A FORMER STATE SECURITY BUILDING.

THEY WANTED US TO WITNESS WHAT THEY FIND.

THROUGHOUT THE WAR, THE REGIME AND ITS RUSSIAN BACKERS HAVE REPEATEDLY TRIED TO DISCREDIT THEM.

WITH RESPIRATORS FIXED AND SEALED, THE FINAL TOUCH, CHEMICAL AGENT DETECTOR PATCHES.

WITH OXYGEN TANKS AND DETECTION DEVICES, THESE TWO MEN LEAD THE WAY INTO THE UNKNOWN.

THEY HAVE TO MOVE CAREFULLY AND METHODICALLY.

LOOTERS GOT HERE FIRST.

EVERY SURFACE IS SCANNED FOR TRACES OF CHEMICALS, A SUSPECTED DELIVERY SYSTEM SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOM, BUT NO TRACE IS DETECTED SO FAR.

THEIR ADVANCED TEAM ALREADY TOLD THEM, IT IS THE UPPER FLOORS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

SLOWLY, THEY MOVED UPSTAIRS, STEP BY STEP ON EVERY FLOOR AND IN EVERY ROOM ME THEY ARE SEARCHING FOR CLUES, WHAT WAS THE ACID REGIME DOING HERE?

EVIDENCE OF WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SECRET CHEMICAL LAB EMERGES.

IN SEVERAL ROOMS, THEY FIND COUNTLESS LABELED BOTTLES AND CONTAINERS FILLED WITH BUCKLES.

>> OUR MISSION HERE TODAY IS TO DOCUMENT, TRY AND FIND OUT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ABOUT THE CHEMICALS THEY ARE FINDING IN THIS FACILITY.

SOMETHING SETS OFF THE DETECTOR.

THEY TAKE PICTURES FOR THE READ IT SAYS, TIC, TOXIC INDUSTRIAL CHEMICAL.

HE CHECKS HIS PATCH AND CARRIES ON.

UNTIL ANOTHER ALARM GOES OFF.

THEY REALIZE, IT IS ONE OF THE OXYGEN TANKS.

THEY HAD TO GET OUT FAST.

IT IS BECOMING CLEAR THEY WERE EXPERIMENTING WITH DANGEROUS SUBSTANCES HERE.

TUCKED IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL DAMASCUS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY HAVE LONG SUSPECTED THIS WAS MORE THAN JUST A STATE SECURITY BUILDING.

AS REGIME FORCES WITHDREW, PEOPLE RUSHED IN TO SEE WHAT WAS REALLY INSIDE IT IS FEARED COMPOUND.

IT WAS A LOCAL PHARMACIST WHO SOUNDED THE ALARM AND THE WHITE HELMETS WERE CALLED IN.

SECURING SITES LIKE THIS ONE IS CRITICAL AMID A POST REGIME VACUUM AND A VOLATILE SECURITY SITUATION.

>> THESE MATERIALS PUT NOT ONLY -- POSE A RISK TO CIVILIANS IN THE NEIGHBORING AREA, ALSO, IF THEY FALL INTO THE WRONG HANDS, THEY CAN BLEED ELSEWHERE AND POSE A THREAT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND MAYBE OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> Reporter: CNN SHARED IMAGES WITH FOUR EXPERTS, BASED ON THAT SNAPSHOT, THEY ALL AGREE, THIS WAS A CHEMICAL LAB.

IT IS UNCLEAR WHETHER IT WAS USED FOR CHEMICAL WEAPONS RESEARCH WITH SOMETHING ELSE, INCLUDING ANALYSIS OF ENVIRONMENTAL THREAT OR ILLICIT DRUGS, AMONG OTHER POSSIBILITIES.

STREWN ABOUT, THEY FIND WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS A TROVE OF DOCUMENTS, ONE WE CAN'T INDIVIDUALLY VERIFY MAINTENANCE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE FACILITIES COMMAND AND A RUSSIAN MILITARY OFFICER, PRESERVING DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS IS NOW A PART OF THE TEAM'S MISSION.

THEY ALSO FIND WEAPONS, STORAGE, AND PRODUCTION ROOMS.

WE SEE ALL THE NECESSARY COMPONENTS TO BUILD MODIFIED AND IMPROVISED EXPLOSIVE DEVICES .

>> IT WAS SHOCKING HOW THE PREVIOUS REGIME USED ALL THESE GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS AS MULTIPURPOSE FACILITIES.

DOWN THIS DARK AND COCKROACH INFESTED BASEMENT IS PERHAPS THE MOST DANGEROUS DISCOVERY SO FAR.

ALMOST EVERY SURFACE AND FIELD CONTAINER SETS OFF THE DETECTOR .

IT IS REGISTERING A CHEMICAL AGENT.

EXPERTS SAY, IT COULD BE A FALSE POSITIVE, BUT LIKE EVERYTHING HERE, IT WILL NEED ADDITIONAL TESTING.

THE REGIME MAY BE UNCOVERING, WHAT UNTIL THIS DAY WAS HIDDEN IN THE DARK, LEAVING SYRIA AND THE WORLD A DICTATOR'S TOXIC LEGACY.

>>> WELL, IN TRUMP'S ELECTION VICTORY, AS IT CERTIFIED TODAY, THE VIOLENT SCENES THAT ROCKED WASHINGTON, D.C. FOUR YEARS AGO, STILL HOT MANY WHO DEFENDED THE CAPITAL AND DEMOCRACY THAT DAY.

ONE OF THEM IS HARRY DUNN, THEN A CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER, NOT A PROMINENT POLITICAL ADVOCATE.

HE TELLS US HOW HE IS FEELING AS TRUMP RETURNS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> HARRY DUNN THANKS SO MUCH.

FOR A LOT OF US, JANUARY 6 IS SOME YEARS IN THE PAST, WHAT IS IT FOR YOU?

>> SAME.

IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN FOUR YEARS.

HERE WE ARE AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE FOR ME THAT THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR JANUARY 6th 2021, WILL BE TAKING OFFICE JANUARY 20th, 2025.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE, AND IT STILL-- LIKE WE SAID, FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT STILL CURRENT, PRESENT DAY FOR STILL 70 PEOPLE ALSO.

>> YOU WROTE A BOOK LAST YEAR ON STANDING YOUR GROUND, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT OUR NEED TO DISCUSS MAYBE A COLLECTIVE TRUMP THAT THE WHOLE COUNTRY EXPERIENCED, BUT WE ARE ALL PROCESSING IT DIFFERENT.

>> WITH REGARD TO MY BOOK, I WAS ONE OF HUNDREDS OF OFFICERS THERE THAT DAY.

IF YOU ASK 100 OFFICERS, TELL ME YOUR STORY FROM JANUARY 6th, YOU WOULD GET 100 DIFFERENT STORIES.

THAT WAS A WAY OF MEMORIALIZING, TELLING MY STORY OF WHAT I WENT THROUGH.

WE TALK ABOUT THE TRAUMA WE ALL WENT THROUGH ME EVERYBODY WAS AFFECTED IN SOME CAPACITY THAT DAY.

THE POLICE OFFICERS, OUR TRAUMA WAS THE PHYSICAL TRAUMA.

WE ABSORBED THAT PHYSICAL ABUSE THAT SO MANY RIOTERS THAT THEY ASSAULTED POLICE OFFICERS.

JUST A VOTER IN MISSOURI, OR A VAULTER IN SOUTH DAKOTA, SOMEBODY WHO VOTED FOR JOE BIDEN, WE PROTECTED THAT BOAT.

THE OBJECTIVE, ACCORDING TO THE RIOTERS, THEIR OBJECTIVE THAT THEY WAS TO STOP THIS DEAL STEAL , STOP THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION, THAT WAS MADE UP OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO VOTED IN A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION.

WE WERE PRESERVING THAT BOAT VOTE TOO.

THAT DAY WAS NOT JUST AN ATTACK ON POLICE OFFICERS, IT WAS AN ATTACK ON ONE, THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, PEOPLE'S FREE AND FAIR VOTES, AND WE STOOD UP THAT DAY.

AND I AM PROUD OF THE WORK MY COWORKERS DID THAT DAY.

>> HERE WE ARE NOW, YEARS AFTER THAT, AND PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO BE BACK IN OFFICE.

ONE OF THE THINGS HE PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, OR TALKED ABOUT A LOT WITH PARDONING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN UNDER CRIMINAL CHARGES FROM THE EVENTS OF JANUARY 6th.

WHAT GOES THROUGH YOUR MIND?

SEGMENT LIKE YOU SAID, HE WAS PROMISING IT FROM THE JUMP.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT, TRYING TO EDUCATE VOTERS WHAT IS AT STAKE.

SORT OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOFTEN THE BLOW, BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS COMING.

HOWEVER, IT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE.

THE PEOPLE-- THERE WAS RECENTLY, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PUBLICATION THAT DID IT, BUT THERE WAS A STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT THE PEOPLE IN JAIL, THEY AREN'T POLITICAL PRISONERS AND HOSTAGES, A LOT OF PEOPLE CONVICTED OF TRESPASSING, ENTERING CAPITOL, THEY GOT PROBATION, OR A FINE.

THEY WERE NOT IMPRISONED.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN PRISON ASSAULTED POLICE OFFICERS, COMMITTED AN ACT OF VIOLENCE, THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE THAT DAY.

THAT IS ALMOST UNFORGIVABLE, A PARDON TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS.

HOWEVER, IS THERE IF THERE IS A SLIGHT YOU CAN HANG YOUR HEAD ON, THE CONVICTIONS DON'T GET OVERTURNED, YOU'RE JUST FORGIVEN BY THE PRESIDENT.

A JURY OF THEIR PEERS, THEY HAD THEIR DAY IN COURT AND WERE FOUND GUILTY.

I CAN HOLD MY HAT ON ANYTHING, THE JURY'S DID THEIR JOB AND DID THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND HELD THOSE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE THIS DOES FOR ACCOUNTABILITY?

HERE, WE HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY BROKE THE LAW ARE LIKELY TO BE PARDONED, HOW DOES THAT COMPUTE FOR YOU, AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS FOR SO MANY YEARS TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND THE PHYSICAL CAPITOL ITSELF?

>> YEAH.

SO, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT AT NAUSEA WAS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

THE REASON WHY THE PEOPLE ON JANUARY 6th WHERE THERE, THEY WERE EMBOLDENED THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD, ARGUABLY.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

IF THE PRESIDENT TELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING, THEN YOU'D BE LIKE, OKAY, THE PRESIDENT TOLD ME I CAN GO DO THAT.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHILE THEY WERE THERE AT THE CAPITOL, WE WERE TELLING THEM TO LEAVE, THEY SAID, NO, THE PRESIDENT TOLD US TO COME HERE.

THERE WAS NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THAT.

WHAT IS TO STOP THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN?

THE PEOPLE THAT COMMITTED THESE ACTS JANUARY 6, WHAT IS TO STOP THEM NOW THAT DONALD TRUMP'S CURRENT TERM IS COMING UP IN 2029, WHAT IS TO STOP THEM AGAIN?

WHAT IS TO STOP DONALD TRUMP FROM COMMITTING THOSE ACTS AGAIN?

THERE HAS BEEN NO ACCOUNT ABILITY, NOTHING THAT SAID, YOU ARE WRONG, YOU CAN DO THIS.

THE ULTIMATE ACCOUNTABILITY, WAS NOT A BY COURTS, WAS NOT CONGRESS OR AN INSTITUTION, IT WAS THE AMERICAN VOTERS WHO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REJECT HIM AND HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE AT THE BALLOT BOX AND WE FAILED TO DO SO.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT DID NOT MATTER ENOUGH TO PEOPLE.

>> THERE WAS A RECENT POLL FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND THAT SAID ONLY 10% OF DEMOCRATS THAT SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP PARDONING FOLKS FROM JANUARY 6th .

I WONDER, WHEN YOU SEE DATA LIKE THAT, GIVEN THE BENEFIT OF TIME, AND AS YOU SAY, THE ENTIRE ELECTORATE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, IF JANUARY 6th WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH OF AN EVENT TO DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FROM BEING PRESIDENT, THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXERCISE THAT BOAT, AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.

AS A FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AS A CITIZEN, WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU THINK?

SEGMENT IT WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE, A GOOD PUNCH.

WHAT ME AND MY COWORKERS WENT THROUGH, IT JUST WAS NOT ENOUGH.

I TAKE IT PERSONAL.

THAT IS WHY I DID ALL THE WORK I COULD TO HELP ELECT KAMALA HARRIS, IT DID NOT GO THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO.

I CAN ASSURE YOU, IT WILL NOT BE AN AREA FOR JOE BIDEN'S SUPPORT OF STORMING THE CAPITOL IN SUPPORT OF THEIR CANDIDATE NOT WINNING THE ELECTION.

IT FELT LIKE A GOOD PUNCH, PEOPLE JUST DID NOT CARE, THE INDIFFERENCE THAT IS CAUSING, CREATING THE SITUATION WE ARE IN NOW.

>> I WONDER, THERE IS THE FACTUAL NARRATIVE, THE VIDEO OF WHAT HAPPENED, THE FIRST-HAND ACCOUNTS, THE JOURNALISM THAT WAS TAKING PLACE THAT DAY, AND THEN THERE IS THE COURT TRANSCRIPTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS NOW THAT PAINT A VERY CLEAR PICTURE, AND OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST-HAND ACCOUNT.

THEN, THERE IS THIS SORT OF OTHER REALITY OF MISINFORMATION,, CONSPIRACY, WHERE IT JUST SEEMS SO FABULOUS ON ITS FACE, GIVEN THE FIRST PILE OF IT.

WHEN YOU WERE OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, OR EVEN TESTIFYING CONGRESS, DID YOU ENCOUNTER THAT, PEOPLE BELIEVING SOMETHING?

YOU ARE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, I WAS THERE, THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

>> SOME PEOPLE, YOU WILL NOT REACH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DEEPLY ROOTED IN CONSPIRACY THEORY TALKS, YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THOSE PEOPLE.

WHAT I SPENT MY EFFORTS ON WAS TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT JANUARY 6, OR IT WAS IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND, NOT LETTING THEM FORGET, LETTING THEM KNOW WHAT WAS AT STAKE FOR ME THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE ON THE GROUND THAT DAY WE PROTECT THE REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS ALIKE.

MIKE JOHNSON, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, WE PROTECTED THEM JUST AS MUCH AS WE DID NANCY PELOSI OR CHUCK SCHUMER, OR LINDSEY GRAHAM ANYBODY.

NO MATTER WHAT YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS WERE, THE POLICE OFFICERS, OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THOSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

THAT IS WHAT THE THREAT WAS, THAT IS WHAT IS AT STAKE OF BEING LOST, NOT JUST THE PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE, BUT JUST BEING ABLE TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHOM YOU DISAGREED WITH, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INSTITUTION OF CONGRESS AND THE IDEA OF DEMOCRACY IS BIGGER THAN ANY ONE PERSON.

THAT IS WHAT WE WERE OUT THERE PROMOTING ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, THAT MESSAGE.

THE CONSPIRACY THEORIST, I HEARD THEM, BUT I DON'T REALLY ENGAGE WITH THEM MUCH.

LIKE YOU SAID, THERE HAVE BEEN TESTIMONY, FOOTAGE, COURT TRANSCRIPTS, PEOPLE UNDER OATH.

THAT IS WHAT I GIVE MY ATTENTION TO, THOSE THINGS FOR ME NOT PEOPLE SPEWING CONSPIRACY THEORIES ON THE INTERNET.

>> I WONDER IF YOU GO BACK IN THE ART OF WHAT THE STOP THE STEAL MOVEMENT REPRESENTED, THERE WAS A DEEP CONVICTION THAT THERE WAS A FRAUD BEING PERPETRATED UPON THEM.

WE HAVE PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE IN GEORGIA, SEVERAL LAWYERS, INCLUDING SIDNEY POWELL AND JENNA ELLIS THAT PLEADED GUILTY IN ELECTION SUBVERSION CASES, TRYING TO OVERTURN THIS.

BUT YOU REALIZE THAT THIS WAS MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT WAS HAPPENING ON THE STEPS OF THE CAPITOL.

THERE WERE ENOUGH PEOPLE, SO MANY STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I WONDER WHAT-- DO YOU THINK WE RECOVER FROM BELIEVING THESE ALTERNATE REALITIES?

>> I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO GO.

THE ONLY WAY WE DO THAT IS WE HOLD THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING THAT MISINFORMATION AND LIES ACCOUNTABLE.

THOSE CASES YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE ELECTION SUBVERSION CASE, IT WAS A CONSPIRACY.

THEY PLED GUILTY.

THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN.

THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SUBVERT THE ELECTION.

SO, WE NEED TO HOLD THOSE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, BECAUSE THEY KNOWINGLY MISLED PEOPLE.

THE FILTERS VOTERS GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM CREDIBLE,-- PEOPLE THEY SEE AS CREDIBLE SOURCES.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT WAS TOLD BY HIS ADVISORS, AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO THEM, UNDER OATH, PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW THAT THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN, BUT IF HE COULD RAMP UP ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HIM, HE CREATED THIS MOVEMENT, KIND OF LIKE WHERE WE ARE NOW.

>> YOU HAVE THROWN YOUR HAT INTO THE RING IN POLITICS AND YOU RAN AND LOST IN MARYLAND'S THIRD DISTRICT, RUNNING FOR CONGRESS.

YOU ALSO STARTED A PACT, DUMPS DEMOCRACY DEFENDERS, WHICH FOCUSES ON SUPPORTING CANDIDATES BASICALLY RUNNING AGAINST PRO-TRUMP REPUBLICANS.

WHY WAS THIS IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO TAKE THAT STEP, NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT YOUR STORY ABOUT JANUARY 6, BUT TRANSLATING THAT TO POLITICAL ACTION?

>> I THOUGHT I WOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER AT THE REST OF MY WORKING ADULT LIFE.

I SPENT THREE YEARS ON THE DEPARTMENT AFTER JANUARY 6th.

SO, I CONTINUED TO THE WORK EVEN AFTERWARD.

I FELT LIKE I COULD DID EVERYTHING I COULD DO AT THE POLICE OFFICER.

I SERVED MY COUNTRY, SERVE MY COMMUNITY, SERVE THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMUNITY FOR OVER 15 YEARS.

IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO DO MORE.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE AT THIS INFLECTION POINT IN OUR TIMELINE, WHERE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO, THEY HAVE THE DESIRE TO, THEY HAVE THE PASSION TO DO SOMETHING AND THIS WAS MY SOMETHING TO DO MORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WILL BE DOING A YEAR FROM NOW, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I AM READY TO STAND UP AND MEET THE CHALLENGE OF WHATEVER IT IS, TO USE MY VOICE.

DEMOCRACY IS WHAT FIGHTING FOR.

IF I CAN USE A LITTLE TO HELP INSPIRE, HELP ELECT, TO DO SOMETHING FOR THESE NEW GROUP OF LEADERS THAT ARE FIGHTING JUST AS HARD TO PRESERVE DEMOCRACY, THEN I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO IT.

>> WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THE LOSS?

>> POLITICS IS AN INTERESTING WORLD AND IT IS NOT FOR THE FAINT AT HEART.

SERIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I RAN-- I BELIEVE I RAN A GREAT RACE.

THERE IS NOT MUCH I WOULD DO DIFFERENT.

I AM VERY HAPPY THAT SARAH ALFRED-- I WISH IT WERE ME, BUT SARAH WON, SHE'S GOING TO BE A FANTASTIC REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE THIRD DISTRICT OF MARYLAND.

I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT HER.

I JUST LEARNED THAT IT'S-- I WON'T SAY IT IS A DIRTY GAME, BUT IT IS NOT FOR THE WEEK AT HEART.

YOU HAVE TO BE IN IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS, WHICH I BELIEVE I WAS.

WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.

>> I WONDER IF YOU ARE PUTTING SOME OF THE RECENT EVENTS IN CONTEXT, WE HAVE JUST LIVED THROUGH TWO ATTACKS IN NEW ORLEANS, AND LAS VEGAS, WE ARE STILL LEARNING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MOTIVATING FACTORS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS TO DO WHAT THEY DID.

I WONDER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IN THE ART OF KIND OF LIKE SECURITY COMPLEX, WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT?

NOT JUST SAFETY ON OUR STREETS AND NEW YEAR'S DAY, BUT PLACES LIKE THE CAPITOL, OTHER MONUMENTS IN WASHINGTON, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE NEW ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE KEEPING IN MIND AS THEY COME IN?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THE VICTIMS THAT WERE LOST, MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM.

WE DON'T NEED TO POLITICIZE PEOPLE'S LIVES BEING TAKEN.

IF THERE IS LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THESE TYPES OF ACTS TO TRANSPIRE, SURE, LET'S DO IT.

EVERYBODY SHOULD BE FOR LEGISLATION THAT KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE, EVERYBODY SHOULD BECOME A PERIOD.

I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE VARIOUS TALKING POINTS THAT YOU COULD GO THAT WAY.

PEOPLE ARE-- I HATE USING THIS TERM, BUT PEOPLE BECOME RADICALIZED, PEOPLE BECOME EXTREME IN THEIR RESPONSES TO WHAT PEOPLE FEEL THEY ARE BEING NOT HEARD, NOT BEING UNDERSTOOD , AND I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TRYING TO SEE AND HEAR AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AND TRYING TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS FOR PEOPLE AND HERE'S PEOPLE, AND DOES NOT JUST MOVE TO BE DISMISSIVE OF INDIVIDUALS.

>> COMING INTO OFFICE NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID IN THE PAST THAT HE WANTS TO PROSECUTE LIZ CHENEY, FOR EXAMPLE, SAYING , EVERYBODY ON THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE SHOULD GO TO JAIL.

JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN NOW, WAS SET TO AWARD THE PRESIDENTIAL CITIZENS MEDAL TO THIS CHENEY AND JOHNSON, WHO RAN THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE, AND I WONDER, WHAT MESSAGE DO YOU HOPE PEOPLE TAKE AWAY FROM THESE VERY CONTRASTING VIEWPOINTS OF TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE SERVING IN CONGRESS AT THE TIME?

AND I KNOW YOU TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THEM, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THEM.

>> IT JUST SHOWS THE DIVISION OF WHERE WE ARE.

I BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP, HE CAMPAIGNED ON RETRIBUTION.

THAT MEANS, I'M GOING TO GET YOU BACK KIND OF THING.

THE PEOPLE OF THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE WERE DOING THEIR JOB.

IT WAS APPOINTED BY CONGRESS, THE SPEAKER, AND THEY DID THEIR JOB.

TO THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO ATTACK THEM, OR THREATEN THEM WITH PROSECUTION OR JAIL TIME, TO THINK THAT HE IS GOING TO DO THAT IS INSANE, JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS.

IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE.

I AM REALLY PROUD THEY GOT THOSE AWARDS MY CURRENT PRESIDENT BIDEN.

I AM REALLY GLAD THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED THEIR WORK AND THEIR EFFORTS.

IT COST A LOT OF PEOPLE THEIR CAREERS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE, A LOT OF THEM ARE NO LONGER SERVING IN CONGRESS ANYMORE.

CONGRESSWOMAN GLORIA, LIZ CHENEY, ADAM KINSINGER.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SACRIFICE THEY MADE JUST FOR DOING THEIR JOB, AND IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

>> FORMER CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER LARRY DUNN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> FINALLY IS, GLITTERY GOWNS AND IMPROMPTU SPEECHES, THE GOLDEN GLOBES KICKED OFF AWARD SEASON IN TYPICAL FASHION.

DEMI MOORE TOOK HIM HER POST FIRST MAJOR ACTING AWARD IN A 45 YEAR CAREER FOR A POWERFUL PERFORMANCE IN THE HORROR FILM "THE SUBSTANCE."

DEMI JOINED KRISTIE AHN LAST MONTH TO DISCUSS WHY THIS ROLE MEANT SO MUCH TO HER.

>> IN A WAY, KNOWING THAT I WAS NOT GOING TO BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND SHOT IN THE MOST GLAMOROUS WAY, IN FACT QUITE THE OPPOSITE I WOULD HAVE HEIGHTENED SHOTS ACCENTUATING THOSE VERY THINGS THAT PERHAPS I DON'T LOVE.

AND YOU KNOW, THE TRUTH IS, IT REALLY WAS, FOR ME, IN THE END, IT WAS A RECLAIMING, A MORE EMPOWERING OWNERSHIP BY JUST SAYING, I AM WHO I AM, AND THIS IS WHERE I AM AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME.

>> AND THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WATCHING AND GOODBYE FROM NEW YORK.