♪♪ >> US REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS >> US REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS GETS BOOTED FROM THE JANUARY 6TH GETS BOOTED FROM THE JANUARY 6TH COMMISSION.

COMMISSION.

LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE LISTENING LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE LISTENING SESSIONS FOR REDISTRICTING.

SESSIONS FOR REDISTRICTING.

PLUS, DRIVING CARDS AND MORE ON PLUS, DRIVING CARDS AND MORE ON INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THE WEEK ENDING JULY 23RD, 2021.

WEEK ENDING JULY 23RD, 2021.

♪♪ ♪♪ >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS >> INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE SUPPORTERS OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING OF INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING STATIONS, AND BY ICE MILLER.

A STATIONS, AND BY ICE MILLER.

A FULL SERVICE LAW FIRM COMMITTED FULL SERVICE LAW FIRM COMMITTED TO HELPING CLIENTS BUILD, GROW, TO HELPING CLIENTS BUILD, GROW, AND PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS.

AND PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS.

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>> >> HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI REJECTED INDIANA US REJECTED INDIANA US REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS FOR A REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS FOR A SEAT ON THE HOUSE COMMITTEE SEAT ON THE HOUSE COMMITTEE INVESTIGATING THE JANUARY 6 INVESTIGATING THE JANUARY 6 INSURRECTION AT THE US CAPITOL.

INSURRECTION AT THE US CAPITOL.

THE SPEAKER DEEMED BANKS AND THE SPEAKER DEEMED BANKS AND OHIO REPUBLICAN JIM JORDAN OHIO REPUBLICAN JIM JORDAN INAPPROPRIATE TO SERVE ON THE INAPPROPRIATE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.

COMMITTEE.

>> >> IN A STATEMENT ISSUED WEDNESDAY, IN A STATEMENT ISSUED WEDNESDAY, PELOSI SAID THEIR PRESENCE COULD PELOSI SAID THEIR PRESENCE COULD POTENTIALLY DAMAGE THE POTENTIALLY DAMAGE THE COMMITTEE'S INTEGRITY.

IT IS ONE COMMITTEE'S INTEGRITY.

IT IS ONE OF SEVERAL EFFORTS TO OF SEVERAL EFFORTS TO INVESTIGATE WHAT LED TO THE INVESTIGATE WHAT LED TO THE INSURRECTION AND WHAT HAPPENED INSURRECTION AND WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.

THAT DAY.

BANKS RESPONDED IN A BANKS RESPONDED IN A WRITTEN STATEMENT BY CALLING WRITTEN STATEMENT BY CALLING PELOSI THE “MOST PARTISAN FIGURE PELOSI THE “MOST PARTISAN FIGURE IN AMERICA TODAY.” HE WAS ONE OF IN AMERICA TODAY.” HE WAS ONE OF 147 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED TO 147 REPUBLICANS WHO VOTED TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION AFTER THE ATTACK ON THE ELECTION AFTER THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL.

CAPITOL.

DOES THIS HELP OR HURT US DOES THIS HELP OR HURT US REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS?

REPRESENTATIVE JIM BANKS?

IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION FOR OUR INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL: INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW PANEL: DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN.

JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA JON SCHWANTES, HOST OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS.

LAWMAKERS.

AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE AND NIKI KELLY, STATEHOUSE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE REPORTER FOR THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING I'M INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING DIGITAL PRODUCER LAUREN CHAPMAN DIGITAL PRODUCER LAUREN CHAPMAN - FILLING IN THIS WEEK FOR - FILLING IN THIS WEEK FOR BRANDON SMITH.

BRANDON SMITH.

MIKE O'BRIEN, IS THIS, IN SOME MIKE O'BRIEN, IS THIS, IN SOME WAY, THE BEST OUTCOME FOR JIM WAY, THE BEST OUTCOME FOR JIM BANKS?

BANKS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I GUESS WE >> I DON'T THINK SO.

I GUESS WE COULD HAVE MADE HIM A MARTYR FOR COULD HAVE MADE HIM A MARTYR FOR A DAY FOR A NEWS CYCLE, AND THEN A DAY FOR A NEWS CYCLE, AND THEN EVERYBODY FORGETS.

MIGHT HAVE EVERYBODY FORGETS.

MIGHT HAVE BEEN A RELEVANT DISCUSSION ABOUT BEEN A RELEVANT DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED LEADING WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED LEADING UP TO JANUARY 6 AND WHY IT UP TO JANUARY 6 AND WHY IT HAPPENED, INCLUDING WHAT JIM HAPPENED, INCLUDING WHAT JIM BANKS WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT, BANKS WOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS MAKING SURE CAPITOL WHICH WAS MAKING SURE CAPITOL SECURITY IS APPROPRIATELY FUNDED SECURITY IS APPROPRIATELY FUNDED AND ENHANCED.

THIS COULD HAVE AND ENHANCED.

THIS COULD HAVE BEEN THE PLAY ALL ALONG.

SURELY BEEN THE PLAY ALL ALONG.

SURELY NANCY PELOSI KNEW, WHETHER IT NANCY PELOSI KNEW, WHETHER IT WAS JORDAN OR BANKS, THEY WERE WAS JORDAN OR BANKS, THEY WERE OUTSPOKEN.

BY THE HOUSE OUTSPOKEN.

BY THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS.

IT'S ABSURD, SHE REPUBLICANS.

IT'S ABSURD, SHE PUT ADAM SCHIFF ON T. NOW THE PUT ADAM SCHIFF ON T. NOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE OFF, RIGHT?

REPUBLICANS ARE OFF, RIGHT?

NOW IT'S ONLY DEMOCRATS.

NOW IT NOW IT'S ONLY DEMOCRATS.

NOW IT IS THE SECOND VERSION OF THE IS THE SECOND VERSION OF THE ADAM SCHIFF SHOW WHO ADAM SCHIFF SHOW WHO LED -- TRUMP COLLUDED TO STEAL LED -- TRUMP COLLUDED TO STEAL THE ELECTION, WHICH THE ELECTION, WHICH PRODUCED -- 2019 STOPPED TALKING PRODUCED -- 2019 STOPPED TALKING ABOUT IT, AND DISCLOSED ACTUALLY ABOUT IT, AND DISCLOSED ACTUALLY HAD NO EVIDENCE OF THAT, THAT HAD NO EVIDENCE OF THAT, THAT SUGGESTION.

THE WHOLE THING IS SUGGESTION.

THE WHOLE THING IS POLITICAL, OF COURSE IT'S POLITICAL, OF COURSE IT'S POLITICAL.

I MAINTAIN ALL ALONG POLITICAL.

I MAINTAIN ALL ALONG THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE THAT REPUBLICANS WOULD HAVE LEANED IN MORE, IT WAS IMPORTANT LEANED IN MORE, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO JANUARY 6.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A POLITICAL ONE.

HAVE A POLITICAL ONE.

>> IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A >> IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

HE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

HE WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO VOTED ONE OF THE ONES WHO VOTED AGAINST RECOGNIZING THE PEOPLE'S AGAINST RECOGNIZING THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT, AND THEN CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT, AND THEN SAYING IT IS JUST TOURISM, THEN SAYING IT IS JUST TOURISM, THEN SAYING WE OUT TO OPEN IT UP TO SAYING WE OUT TO OPEN IT UP TO TALK ABOUT DISRUPTIONS AND OTHER TALK ABOUT DISRUPTIONS AND OTHER CITIES.

HE WAS CLEARLY, CLEARLY, CITIES.

HE WAS CLEARLY, CLEARLY, A CLOSE-MINDED TRUMP -- DOES IT A CLOSE-MINDED TRUMP -- DOES IT HELP HIM, HE CAN'T APPEAL MORE HELP HIM, HE CAN'T APPEAL MORE TO THE RADICAL RIGHT AND THE TO THE RADICAL RIGHT AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, HE'S ALREADY REPUBLICAN PARTY, HE'S ALREADY THERE.

IF YOU WERE A LAWYER, AND THERE.

IF YOU WERE A LAWYER, AND HE WAS A PROSPECTIVE JURY HE WAS A PROSPECTIVE JURY MEMBER, WOULD YOU NEVER PICK MEMBER, WOULD YOU NEVER PICK HIM, BECAUSE HE IS COMPLETELY HIM, BECAUSE HE IS COMPLETELY CLOSE MINDED.

AND THEY NEED TO CLOSE MINDED.

AND THEY NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION OF WHAT HAPPENED.

IT WASN'T A GROUP OF HAPPENED.

IT WASN'T A GROUP OF TOURISTS THAT GOT A LITTLE OUT TOURISTS THAT GOT A LITTLE OUT OF HAND, IT WAS AN INSURRECTION, OF HAND, IT WAS AN INSURRECTION, AND THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE TO AND THEY ARE NOT THE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN T. AND IT WAS A PARTICIPATE IN T. AND IT WAS A STUNT ON THE PART OF McCARTHY TO STUNT ON THE PART OF McCARTHY TO PUT THEM IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

PUT THEM IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK SHE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I THINK SHE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO DO WHAT SHE DID.

I HOPE THEY TO DO WHAT SHE DID.

I HOPE THEY CAN COME UP WITH POSITIVE IDEAS CAN COME UP WITH POSITIVE IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO SECURE THAT BASTIAN ABOUT HOW TO SECURE THAT BASTIAN OF DEMOCRACY THAT THE OF DEMOCRACY THAT THE REPUBLICANS WANTED TO TEAR DOWN.

REPUBLICANS WANTED TO TEAR DOWN.

>> I MEAN, IT IS INTERESTING, >> I MEAN, IT IS INTERESTING, THOUGH, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT JIM THOUGH, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT JIM BANKS HAS WON MORE THAN 64% OF BANKS HAS WON MORE THAN 64% OF THE VOTE IN HOUSE DISTRICT 3.

THE VOTE IN HOUSE DISTRICT 3.

THERE IS A QUESTION WHETHER THE THERE IS A QUESTION WHETHER THE SAME STATEMENTS AND ACTION THAT SAME STATEMENTS AND ACTION THAT IS PELOSI WAS CRITICIZING ARE IS PELOSI WAS CRITICIZING ARE EXACTLY WHAT HIS WITH EXACTLY WHAT HIS WITH CONSTITUENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

CONSTITUENTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

>> I COVER NORTHWEST INDIANA FOR >> I COVER NORTHWEST INDIANA FOR THE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I THINK IT THE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

I THINK IT PLAYS GREAT FOR HIM.

HE GREETS PLAYS GREAT FOR HIM.

HE GREETS LOT OF NATIONAL PUBL LOT OF NATIONAL PUBL PUBLICITY.

-- I'M KIND OF SAD PUBLICITY.

-- I'M KIND OF SAD THAT THEY DIDN'T GO FORWARD IN THAT THEY DIDN'T GO FORWARD IN THE PROPER WAY WITH BOTH THE PROPER WAY WITH BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE THINGS GOING TO COME OUT ABOUT THINGS GOING TO COME OUT ABOUT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS ROLE IN THAT.

I DO THINK THERE ROLE IN THAT.

I DO THINK THERE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE CAPITOL POLICE CLEARLY WEREN'T CAPITOL POLICE CLEARLY WEREN'T READY FOR THAT DAY.

AND SO I READY FOR THAT DAY.

AND SO I WISH WE COULD HAVE HEARD OR HAD WISH WE COULD HAVE HEARD OR HAD A LITTLE MORE, I GUESS, FAITH IN A LITTLE MORE, I GUESS, FAITH IN WHATEVER WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHATEVER WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> YEAH.

JON, DO YOU THINK IN >> YEAH.

JON, DO YOU THINK IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH BANK'S POSITION, ESPECIALLY WITH BANK'S POSITION, DO YOU THINK THIS DOES KIND OF DO YOU THINK THIS DOES KIND OF CATAPULT HIM, OR MAYBE HURTS CATAPULT HIM, OR MAYBE HURTS HIM?

HIM?

>> I AGREE, IT PROBABLY DOES >> I AGREE, IT PROBABLY DOES HELP HIM, GIVEN WHAT HIS HELP HIM, GIVEN WHAT HIS SHORT-TERM GOALS ARE.

I PRESUME SHORT-TERM GOALS ARE.

I PRESUME HE'S RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

I HE'S RUNNING FOR REELECTION.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF HE WERE SAY THAT BECAUSE IF HE WERE RUNNING FOR STATE-WIDE OFFERS, RUNNING FOR STATE-WIDE OFFERS, US SENATE, OR SOMETHING THAT US SENATE, OR SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES PERHAPS MORE OF A REQUIRES PERHAPS MORE OF A CROSSOVER APPEAL, THEN IT MIGHT CROSSOVER APPEAL, THEN IT MIGHT BE MORE PROBLEMATIC.

BUT IN HIS BE MORE PROBLEMATIC.

BUT IN HIS DISTRICT, WHICH IS SOLIDLY DISTRICT, WHICH IS SOLIDLY REPUBLICAN, SOLIDLY REPUBLICAN, SOLIDLY CONSERVATIVE, SOLIDLY BEHIND CONSERVATIVE, SOLIDLY BEHIND HIM, IT DOESN'T HURT AT ALL.

AND HIM, IT DOESN'T HURT AT ALL.

AND I DO THINK BECAUSE OF THE I DO THINK BECAUSE OF THE ATTENTION AND THE FACT THAT HE ATTENTION AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS LUMPED TOGETHER WITH WAS LUMPED TOGETHER WITH CONGRESSMAN JORDAN WHO IS SORT CONGRESSMAN JORDAN WHO IS SORT OF THE DARLING OF A LOT OF THE OF THE DARLING OF A LOT OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE PARTY.

THAT SORT OF NEW STREET PARTY.

THAT SORT OF NEW STREET CRED FOR HIM WITH THAT CRED FOR HIM WITH THAT CONSTITUENCY.

CONSTITUENCY.

>> YOU ALREADY HAD THE -- >> YOU ALREADY HAD THE -- >> SO I DO THINK FOR SOME OF THE >> SO I DO THINK FOR SOME OF THE NATIONAL PUNDITS AND SO FORTH NATIONAL PUNDITS AND SO FORTH THIS HELPS PUT HIM ON THE RADAR THIS HELPS PUT HIM ON THE RADAR IN A WAY THEY MIGHT GO TO HIM IN IN A WAY THEY MIGHT GO TO HIM IN THE FUTURE AND RAISE HIS THE FUTURE AND RAISE HIS PROFILE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT PROFILE.

SO I DON'T THINK IT HURTS HIM AT ALL, I DO WONDER IF HURTS HIM AT ALL, I DO WONDER IF THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WAS PUT THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WAS PUT FORTH, WHICH WAS A BIPARTISAN, A FORTH, WHICH WAS A BIPARTISAN, A TRUE BIPARTISAN SELECT COMMITTEE TRUE BIPARTISAN SELECT COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES, I THINK TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES, I THINK HAD THAT -- HAD REPUBLICANS HAD THAT -- HAD REPUBLICANS ALLOWED THAT TO PROCEED, THEY ALLOWED THAT TO PROCEED, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD MORE SAY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD MORE SAY OVER THE MEMBERSHIP, IRONICALLY OVER THE MEMBERSHIP, IRONICALLY THAN THIS WAY.

AND BECAUSE IN THAN THIS WAY.

AND BECAUSE IN THAT CASE, I DON'T THINK NANCY THAT CASE, I DON'T THINK NANCY PELOSI WOULD HAVE HAD FREE ARENA PELOSI WOULD HAVE HAD FREE ARENA REIN TO SAY YES, NO.

REIN TO SAY YES, NO.

>> I WAS SAYING THEY >> I WAS SAYING THEY PROBABLY -- IF THEY WANTED THESE PROBABLY -- IF THEY WANTED THESE MEMBERS TO WEIGH IN, THEY MEMBERS TO WEIGH IN, THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE THAT IF PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE THAT IF THEY HAD AGREED EARLY ON TO A THEY HAD AGREED EARLY ON TO A TRUE BIPARTISAN SELECT COMMITTEE TRUE BIPARTISAN SELECT COMMITTEE INVESTIGATION.

INVESTIGATION.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, MOVING ON.

>> WELL, MOVING ON.

ACTIVISTS FINISHED THEIR ACTIVISTS FINISHED THEIR 300-MILE “WALK FOR LICENSES” 300-MILE “WALK FOR LICENSES” ACROSS INDIANA SATURDAY.

ACROSS INDIANA SATURDAY.

MOVIMIENTO COSECHA WANTS MOVIMIENTO COSECHA WANTS LAWMAKERS TO REVERSE POLICIES LAWMAKERS TO REVERSE POLICIES THAT BAR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS THAT BAR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FROM GETTING DRIVER'S LICENSES.

FROM GETTING DRIVER'S LICENSES.

INDIANA PASSED A LAW IN 2007 INDIANA PASSED A LAW IN 2007 WHICH TIED DRIVER'S LICENSES, WHICH TIED DRIVER'S LICENSES, PERMITS AND VEHICLE REGISTRATION PERMITS AND VEHICLE REGISTRATION TO CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION TO CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION STATUS - ALIGNING WITH FEDERAL STATUS - ALIGNING WITH FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

DARA MARQUEZ, A LEGISLATION.

DARA MARQUEZ, A FIELD ORGANIZER FOR MOVIMIENTO FIELD ORGANIZER FOR MOVIMIENTO COSECHA INDIANA, SAYS THESE COSECHA INDIANA, SAYS THESE POLICIES TARGET THE ABILITY OF POLICIES TARGET THE ABILITY OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS TO LIVE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS TO LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

>> DARA MARQUEZ: AND IN >> DARA MARQUEZ: AND IN THE STATE OF INDIANA, THE FIRST THE STATE OF INDIANA, THE FIRST STEP THAT THIS STATE CAN TAKE STEP THAT THIS STATE CAN TAKE IS TO PUSH FOR A DRIVER'S IS TO PUSH FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR A BILL THAT WILL BE LICENSE OR A BILL THAT WILL BE ABLE TO GRANT THE UNDOCUMENTED ABLE TO GRANT THE UNDOCUMENTED COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE WITHOUT FEAR.

WITHOUT FEAR.

>> >> THERE WERE TWO DRIVING CARDS THERE WERE TWO DRIVING CARDS BILLS - LICENSE ALTERNATIVES - BILLS - LICENSE ALTERNATIVES - INTRODUCED DURING THE 2021 INTRODUCED DURING THE 2021 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

THE HOUSE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

THE HOUSE VERSION DIED WITHOUT A HEARING.

VERSION DIED WITHOUT A HEARING.

THE SENATE VERSION GOT A HEARING THE SENATE VERSION GOT A HEARING FOR TESTIMONY, BUT WAS NOT VOTED FOR TESTIMONY, BUT WAS NOT VOTED ON.

ON.

>> >> JON SCHWANTES, ACTIVISTS JON SCHWANTES, ACTIVISTS ISPOKE TO ON SATURDAY MADE ISPOKE TO ON SATURDAY MADE SEVERAL ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS FOR SEVERAL ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS FOR WHY THIS COULD BENEFIT INDIANA.

WHY THIS COULD BENEFIT INDIANA.

WHAT MAKES THIS A TOUGH SELL FOR WHAT MAKES THIS A TOUGH SELL FOR REPUBLICANS?

REPUBLICANS?

>> TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

>> TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

LET'S START WITH THE ECONOMIC LET'S START WITH THE ECONOMIC ASPECT OF THIS.

THESE ARE ASPECT OF THIS.

THESE ARE GENERALLY PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES.

GENERALLY PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES.

AND WORK AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR AND WORK AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

IN MANY CASES, THEY COMMUNITY.

IN MANY CASES, THEY ARE DOING JOBS THAT NATIVE BORN ARE DOING JOBS THAT NATIVE BORN AMERICANS MIGHT NOT BE SO AMERICANS MIGHT NOT BE SO ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S THE FARMING, OR AT WHETHER IT'S THE FARMING, OR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY, WHICH IS A AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY, WHICH IS A BACK BONE STILL, ALONG WITH MANY BACK BONE STILL, ALONG WITH MANY STATES, IT COULDN'T FUNCTION, I STATES, IT COULDN'T FUNCTION, I DON'T THINK, WITHOUT A LOT OF DON'T THINK, WITHOUT A LOT OF IMMIGRANT WORKFORCE INVOLVEMENT.

IMMIGRANT WORKFORCE INVOLVEMENT.

SO TO LEGITIMIZE THESE SO TO LEGITIMIZE THESE INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO WORK INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND PAY TAXES, AND THEN YOU GET AND PAY TAXES, AND THEN YOU GET AROUND TO THE NOTION OF WHO IS AROUND TO THE NOTION OF WHO IS COUNTED AND FOR REDISTRICTING, COUNTED AND FOR REDISTRICTING, DO YOU GET A BIGGER SLICE OF THE DO YOU GET A BIGGER SLICE OF THE PIE IN TERMS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS PIE IN TERMS OF FEDERAL DOLLARS AND FEDERAL AID.

BUT THAT AND FEDERAL AID.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO PEOPLE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THIS.

IT IS SORT OF WHO OPPOSE THIS.

IT IS SORT OF LIKE A NEEDLE EXCHANGE.

EVERY LIKE A NEEDLE EXCHANGE.

EVERY DOCTOR AND THE SURGEON GENERAL DOCTOR AND THE SURGEON GENERAL COULD EXPLAIN WHY THAT MAKES COULD EXPLAIN WHY THAT MAKES SENSE FOR A COMMUNITY TO PREVENT SENSE FOR A COMMUNITY TO PREVENT DISEASE, FOR INSTANCE, BUT THERE DISEASE, FOR INSTANCE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST THINK IT IS ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST THINK IT IS WRONG, JUST DON'T BOTHER ME WITH WRONG, JUST DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT, IT IS THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT, IT IS WRONG.

AND I THINK YOU WOULD SEE WRONG.

AND I THINK YOU WOULD SEE A LOT OF THE SAME THING HERE.

A LOT OF THE SAME THING HERE.

THEY'RE HERE LEGALLY, WHY SHOULD THEY'RE HERE LEGALLY, WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO GO AND THEY HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO GO AND POSE FOR ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BMV POSE FOR ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BMV PORTRAITS LIKE THE REST OF US.

PORTRAITS LIKE THE REST OF US.

>> IT CAN'T BE UNDERSTATED, THIS >> IT CAN'T BE UNDERSTATED, THIS LAW CHANGED IN 2007 IN INDIANA.

LAW CHANGED IN 2007 IN INDIANA.

LITERALLY UNTIL RECENTLY, LITERALLY UNTIL RECENTLY, UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS DID HAVE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS DID HAVE ACCESS TO THESE DRIVING CARDS.

ACCESS TO THESE DRIVING CARDS.

NIKI KELLY, WHAT DOES MAKE THIS NIKI KELLY, WHAT DOES MAKE THIS A TOUGH SELL FOR REPUBLICANS?

A TOUGH SELL FOR REPUBLICANS?

>> OBVIOUSLY THE WORLD CHANGED, >> OBVIOUSLY THE WORLD CHANGED, AND THE ISSUES, ILLEGAL AND THE ISSUES, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND THE BORDER.

I IMMIGRANTS AND THE BORDER.

I DON'T THINK ANY REPUBLICAN IS DON'T THINK ANY REPUBLICAN IS GOING TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR GOING TO GO ANYWHERE NEAR SOMETHING THAT COULD IN ANY WAY SOMETHING THAT COULD IN ANY WAY BE SEEN AS SOMEHOW SUPPORTING AN BE SEEN AS SOMEHOW SUPPORTING AN UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANT.

THEY'LL UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANT.

THEY'LL SEE IT AS THEM CONDONING IT.

AND SEE IT AS THEM CONDONING IT.

AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE, YOU THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, MAILERS THAT WILL COME KNOW, MAILERS THAT WILL COME OUT, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I OUT, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I LOOK, THERE ARE LIKE 16 STATES LOOK, THERE ARE LIKE 16 STATES THAT HAVE THIS.

THEY'RE ALL THAT HAVE THIS.

THEY'RE ALL PRETTY PROGRESSIVE AND LIBERAL.

PRETTY PROGRESSIVE AND LIBERAL.

JUST DON'T THINK WE'LL BE SEEING JUST DON'T THINK WE'LL BE SEEING INDIANA JOIN THAT LIST ANY TIME INDIANA JOIN THAT LIST ANY TIME SOON.

SOON.

>> YEAH.

ANN DeLANEY, WE'RE >> YEAH.

ANN DeLANEY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POPULATION OF TALKING ABOUT A POPULATION OF PEOPLE, 60% OF WHICH HAVE LIVED PEOPLE, 60% OF WHICH HAVE LIVED IN INDIANA FOR MORE THAN 10 IN INDIANA FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS.

IT'S INTERESTING TO ME, YEARS.

IT'S INTERESTING TO ME, HOWEVER, THAT DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T HOWEVER, THAT DEMOCRATS HAVEN'T REALLY PICKED UP THIS TORCH FROM REALLY PICKED UP THIS TORCH FROM ACTIVISTS.

ACTIVISTS.

>> I THINK THEY NEED TO.

A LOT >> I THINK THEY NEED TO.

A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE DREAMERS.

WHO ABOUT HERE ARE DREAMERS.

WHO WERE BROUGHT HERE BY THEIR WERE BROUGHT HERE BY THEIR PARENTS THROUGH NO FAULT OF PARENTS THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN WHO WANT TO GET AN THEIR OWN WHO WANT TO GET AN EDUCATION OR A JOB, AND WE'RE EDUCATION OR A JOB, AND WE'RE STOPPING THEM FOR IDEOLOGICAL STOPPING THEM FOR IDEOLOGICAL REASONS ONLY.

WE'RE GOING TO REASONS ONLY.

WE'RE GOING TO PENALIZE THE CHILDREN BECAUSE OF PENALIZE THE CHILDREN BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE PARENTS PERCEIVE.

WHATEVER THE PARENTS PERCEIVE.

>> AND THE CRIME OF ENTERING THE >> AND THE CRIME OF ENTERING THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IS A MINOR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY IS A MINOR MISDEMEANOR.

MISDEMEANOR.

>> WELL, AND ON TOP OF THAT >> WELL, AND ON TOP OF THAT SEEMS TO ME NOBODY IN THEIR SEEMS TO ME NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD ARGUE OUR RIGHT MIND WOULD ARGUE OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS ANYTHING IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS ANYTHING BUT BROKEN.

SO THE FACT THAT WE BUT BROKEN.

SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM ALL THROUGH THE THIS PROBLEM ALL THROUGH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND BEFORE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND BEFORE THAT IS INDICATIVE OF THE FACT THAT IS INDICATIVE OF THE FACT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, REPUBLICANS INCLUDED, HAVE TO REPUBLICANS INCLUDED, HAVE TO GET BEHIND A SENSIBLE GET BEHIND A SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT WOULD IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT WOULD ALLOW A PATH TO -- CITIZENSHIP, ALLOW A PATH TO -- CITIZENSHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR THE DREAMER ESPECIALLY FOR THE DREAMER CHILDREN.

BUT THIS IS JUST WAY CHILDREN.

BUT THIS IS JUST WAY TOO HARSH, AND IT IS IRONIC THAT TOO HARSH, AND IT IS IRONIC THAT IT'S HAPPENING AT A TIME WHEN I IT'S HAPPENING AT A TIME WHEN I HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION IN HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION IN INDIANAPOLIS SAYING WE CAN'T GET INDIANAPOLIS SAYING WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE TO FILL THESE JOBS.

AND PEOPLE TO FILL THESE JOBS.

AND YET WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY YET WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY WANT THE JOBS WHO CAN'T GET TO WANT THE JOBS WHO CAN'T GET TO THE JOBS BECAUSE OF THEIR THE JOBS BECAUSE OF THEIR SHORT-SIGHTEDNESS.

SHORT-SIGHTEDNESS.

>> THERE WAS A TIME WHEN >> THERE WAS A TIME WHEN REPUBLICANS SPORT /* SUPPORTED REPUBLICANS SPORT /* SUPPORTED THE DREAMERS, RICHARD LUGER WAS THE DREAMERS, RICHARD LUGER WAS A BIG ADVOCATE OF THAT.

A BIG ADVOCATE OF THAT.

>> TO SAY NOTHING OF THE FACT >> TO SAY NOTHING OF THE FACT THAT DURING THE TRUMP THAT DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF DEPORTATIONS WERE FOLKS WHO WERE DEPORTATIONS WERE FOLKS WHO WERE PICKED UP, AND THEN EVENTUALLY PICKED UP, AND THEN EVENTUALLY DEPORTED, DID SO BECAUSE THEY DEPORTED, DID SO BECAUSE THEY WERE DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

WERE DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

I WONDER WHAT WOULD IT TAKE I WONDER WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR -- FOR -- >> THAT WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FOR >> THAT WOULD BE AN ARGUMENT FOR REPUBLICANS TODAY AGAINST.

REPUBLICANS TODAY AGAINST.

>> EXACTLY.

>> EXACTLY.

>> COULD ADD TO THE LIST OF THE >> COULD ADD TO THE LIST OF THE REASONS THEY COULD BE DEPORTED.

REASONS THEY COULD BE DEPORTED.

JON MENTIONED RICHARD JON MENTIONED RICHARD LUGER'S -- ACTUALLY USED TO BE LUGER'S -- ACTUALLY USED TO BE PRETTY PROGRESSIVE.

GEORGE W. PRETTY PROGRESSIVE.

GEORGE W. BUSH, DAN BURTON CARRIED A BILL BUSH, DAN BURTON CARRIED A BILL THAT PROVIDED A PATH FOR THAT PROVIDED A PATH FOR CITIZENSHIP.

DAN BURTON.

THIS IS CITIZENSHIP.

DAN BURTON.

THIS IS LIKE NO PROGRESSIVE MODERATE LIKE NO PROGRESSIVE MODERATE REPUBLICAN, ONE OF THE MOST REPUBLICAN, ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE GUYS IN THE PARTY CONSERVATIVE GUYS IN THE PARTY AT THE TIME.

AT THE TIME.

>> NOT NOW.

>> NOT NOW.

>> WHEN I WORKED FOR MITCH >> WHEN I WORKED FOR MITCH DANIELS, IN HIS FIRST TERM, 2003 DANIELS, IN HIS FIRST TERM, 2003 /* WE PREPARED LEGISLATION TO /* WE PREPARED LEGISLATION TO PERMIT THIS.

IT WAS VERY CLOSE PERMIT THIS.

IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO THE LEGISLATION PROPOSED IN TO THE LEGISLATION PROPOSED IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TODAY, WE THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TODAY, WE DECIDED NOT FOR POLICY REASONS, DECIDED NOT FOR POLICY REASONS, WE DECIDED SOME FOCUS ON THE WE DECIDED SOME FOCUS ON THE TOLL ROAD THAT SESSION.

THAT WAS TOLL ROAD THAT SESSION.

THAT WAS SUCH A HUGE UNDERTAKING, WE PUT SUCH A HUGE UNDERTAKING, WE PUT A LOT OF STUFF IN THE DRAWER FOR A LOT OF STUFF IN THE DRAWER FOR A LATER SESSION.

THE REAL LINE, A LATER SESSION.

THE REAL LINE, YOU CAN DEFINE A PRETTY STARK YOU CAN DEFINE A PRETTY STARK LINE BETWEEN REPUBLICAN PARTIES LINE BETWEEN REPUBLICAN PARTIES MORE PRAGMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH MORE PRAGMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH POLICY AND RECOGNIZING THAT ARE POLICY AND RECOGNIZING THAT ARE MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS, AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IMMIGRANTS, AND PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE WORKFORCE AND DRIVING TO IN THE WORKFORCE AND DRIVING TO THESE JOBS, GETTING IN CAR THESE JOBS, GETTING IN CAR ACCIDENTS, THEY CAN'T GET ACCIDENTS, THEY CAN'T GET INSURANCE, NOW EVERYBODY IS ON INSURANCE, NOW EVERYBODY IS ON THE HOOK FOR IT.

IN 2006 WHEN WE THE HOOK FOR IT.

IN 2006 WHEN WE LOST THE HOUSE, ALL OF THAT WENT LOST THE HOUSE, ALL OF THAT WENT AWAY.

A LOT OF THESE GUYS LIKE AWAY.

A LOT OF THESE GUYS LIKE BURTON AND OTHERS SAID I NEVER BURTON AND OTHERS SAID I NEVER DID THAT.

I WAS NEVER FOR THAT.

DID THAT.

I WAS NEVER FOR THAT.

AND HAD TO CHANGE THEIR STRIPES AND HAD TO CHANGE THEIR STRIPES PRETTY QUICK ON IMMIGRATION PRETTY QUICK ON IMMIGRATION POLICY.

NOW INSTEAD OF BEING THE POLICY.

NOW INSTEAD OF BEING THE PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, PATH TO CITIZENSHIP, UNDOCUMENTED LICENSE, WE'RE THE UNDOCUMENTED LICENSE, WE'RE THE BUILD A WALL PARTY, WILDLY FAR BUILD A WALL PARTY, WILDLY FAR APART FROM WHERE WE STARTED 20 APART FROM WHERE WE STARTED 20 YEARS AGO.

YEARS AGO.

>> RECENTLY AS JOHN McCAIN, PATH >> RECENTLY AS JOHN McCAIN, PATH TO CITIZENSHIP BILL PASSED, TO CITIZENSHIP BILL PASSED, 2012, I THINK, TO TRY AND 2012, I THINK, TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE -- ENCOURAGE -- >> BIG ALLIES ON THAT, AS A >> BIG ALLIES ON THAT, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

MATTER OF FACT.

>> AND -- TRUMP OR NOT.

>> AND -- TRUMP OR NOT.

>> YEAH.

WELL -- >> YEAH.

WELL -- >> TRADER OR AN AMERICAN HERO, >> TRADER OR AN AMERICAN HERO, WHERE -- TRAITOR OR AN AMERICAN WHERE -- TRAITOR OR AN AMERICAN HERO.

HERO.

>> TRAITOR WASN'T JOHN McCAIN.

>> TRAITOR WASN'T JOHN McCAIN.

>> MOVING ON, >> MOVING ON, LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCED A SERIES OF LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCED A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE PUBLIC MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE FOR HOOSIERS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR HOOSIERS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON INDIANA'S REDISTRICTING ON INDIANA'S REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

EACH OF INDIANA'S NINE PROCESS.

EACH OF INDIANA'S NINE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS WILL CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS WILL HOST A MEETING IN EARLY AUGUST, HOST A MEETING IN EARLY AUGUST, AHEAD OF LAWMAKERS' EXPECTED AHEAD OF LAWMAKERS' EXPECTED RETURN TO THE STATEHOUSE.

RETURN TO THE STATEHOUSE.

>> >> THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE BEING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE BEING HOSTED AT IVY TECH CAMPUSES IN HOSTED AT IVY TECH CAMPUSES IN LAFAYETTE, VALPARAISO, FORT LAFAYETTE, VALPARAISO, FORT WAYNE, ELKHART, ANDERSON, WAYNE, ELKHART, ANDERSON, COLUMBUS, EVANSVILLE AND COLUMBUS, EVANSVILLE AND SELLERSBURG ON AUGUST 6TH AND SELLERSBURG ON AUGUST 6TH AND 7TH.

THE LAST WILL BE HOSTED AT 7TH.

THE LAST WILL BE HOSTED AT THE INDIANA STATEHOUSE ON AUGUST THE INDIANA STATEHOUSE ON AUGUST 11.

11.

CENSUS DATA IS DELAYED DUE TO CENSUS DATA IS DELAYED DUE TO THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT IS SET TO THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT IS SET TO BE RELEASED ON AUGUST 16.

AND BE RELEASED ON AUGUST 16.

AND LAWMAKERS SAY AN ONLINE PORTAL LAWMAKERS SAY AN ONLINE PORTAL WITH MAPPING SOFTWARE WILL BE WITH MAPPING SOFTWARE WILL BE LAUNCHED IN LATE AUGUST TO ALLOW LAUNCHED IN LATE AUGUST TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO DRAW AND SUBMIT THE PUBLIC TO DRAW AND SUBMIT THEIR OWN MAPS.

THEIR OWN MAPS.

>> >> NIKI KELLY, YOU WROTE ABOUT THE NIKI KELLY, YOU WROTE ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING SESSION EARLIER REDISTRICTING SESSION EARLIER THIS MONTH.

HOW DOES THIS THIS MONTH.

HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO 2011'S REDISTRICTING COMPARE TO 2011'S REDISTRICTING PROCESS?

PROCESS?

>> THEY DID HAVE THESE >> THEY DID HAVE THESE STATE-WIDE MEETINGS, THEN, AND I STATE-WIDE MEETINGS, THEN, AND I THINK THEY WERE PRETTY HELPFUL THINK THEY WERE PRETTY HELPFUL THEN.

WE ARE AT A LITTLE BIT OF THEN.

WE ARE AT A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE.

-- A COUPLE HOURS AGO, TROUBLE.

-- A COUPLE HOURS AGO, SAYING IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE A SAYING IT IS ONE THING TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAY HERE IS HOW BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAY HERE IS HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAPS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAPS.

WITHOUT THE DATA, IT IS WITHOUT THE DATA, IT IS THEORETICAL.

IT IS IF I COULD THEORETICAL.

IT IS IF I COULD DREAM UP A GREAT MAP IT WOULD DREAM UP A GREAT MAP IT WOULD INCLUDE THESE CRITERIA.

I DO INCLUDE THESE CRITERIA.

I DO THINK THERE IS A FAIR QUESTION THINK THERE IS A FAIR QUESTION ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE ABOUT WHEN WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE ACTUAL MAPS AND THEN WHO IS THE ACTUAL MAPS AND THEN WHO IS ALLOWED TO TESTIFY.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO TESTIFY.

ARE WE GETTING ONE HEARING AT THE GETTING ONE HEARING AT THE STATEHOUSE WHEN THEY RELEASE STATEHOUSE WHEN THEY RELEASE THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE THEM THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PRETTY BAD.

I DO THAT WOULD BE PRETTY BAD.

I DO THINK PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO THINK PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE ACTUAL PROPOSED MAPS REVIEW THE ACTUAL PROPOSED MAPS WHEN THEY ARE, BE ABLE TO SEE WHEN THEY ARE, BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT COMMUNITIES THEY CUT WHAT COMMUNITIES THEY CUT THROUGH, AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THROUGH, AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THOSE SPECIFICALLY.

SO WE'LL THOSE SPECIFICALLY.

SO WE'LL SEE, WHEN I'VE CHATTED WITH SEE, WHEN I'VE CHATTED WITH PEOPLE ON THAT, THEY SEEM VERY PEOPLE ON THAT, THEY SEEM VERY NOT SURE ABOUT THE PROCESS AFTER NOT SURE ABOUT THE PROCESS AFTER THESE INITIAL HEARINGS.

THESE INITIAL HEARINGS.

>> SO THE ONLINE ADVENTURE >> SO THE ONLINE ADVENTURE PORTAL THEY'RE PUTTING OUT THE PORTAL THEY'RE PUTTING OUT THE END OF AUGUST, YOU DON'T THINK END OF AUGUST, YOU DON'T THINK THAT WILL BE THE THING THAT WILL THAT WILL BE THE THING THAT WILL WORK THE BEST FOR -- WORK THE BEST FOR -- >> THAT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE >> THAT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE THIS DATA AND MAPPING.

UNTIL I THIS DATA AND MAPPING.

UNTIL I SEE WHAT THE BILL THEY PUT OUT.

SEE WHAT THE BILL THEY PUT OUT.

IT IS, AGAIN, HAVING DISCUSSIONS IT IS, AGAIN, HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITHOUT THE ACTUAL BILL.

WE NEED WITHOUT THE ACTUAL BILL.

WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE FOR PEOPLE TO TRULY BE ABLE TO FOR PEOPLE TO TRULY BE ABLE TO COME AND -- COMMENT ON THEM AND COME AND -- COMMENT ON THEM AND NOT HOLD A HEARING, A BIG AMOUNT NOT HOLD A HEARING, A BIG AMOUNT /* AMENDMENT AND VOTE IT /* AMENDMENT AND VOTE IT THROUGH.

THROUGH.

>> KIND OF LIKE THE BUDGET.

>> KIND OF LIKE THE BUDGET.

AGENCIES COME IN, PEOPLE -- WAYS AGENCIES COME IN, PEOPLE -- WAYS AND MEANS, MAKE REQUESTS.

AND WE AND MEANS, MAKE REQUESTS.

AND WE BACK THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

BACK THAT INTO THE BUDGET.

>> SAME WAY IN 2011, THEY'RE >> SAME WAY IN 2011, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE HEARINGS, PICK GOING TO HAVE THE HEARINGS, PICK THE MAPS THAT ARE GOING TO THE MAPS THAT ARE GOING TO GUARANTEE REELECTION.

YOU HAVE A GUARANTEE REELECTION.

YOU HAVE A LOT TO SPARE.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOT TO SPARE.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE 71 OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU 71 OF THEM, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T GET 71% OF THE VOTE.

DON'T GET 71% OF THE VOTE.

>> 71% OF THE GUBERNATORIAL >> 71% OF THE GUBERNATORIAL VOTE.

VOTE.

>> LAST YEAR.

BUT NOT -- >> LAST YEAR.

BUT NOT -- >> THEY'RE EXCEPTIONALLY BAD AT >> THEY'RE EXCEPTIONALLY BAD AT THIS AS DEMOCRATS.

THIS AS DEMOCRATS.

>> IN ANY EVENT, WHAT THEY'RE >> IN ANY EVENT, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THE SAME AS 2011, GOING TO DO IS THE SAME AS 2011, THIS IS ALL SHOW.

THAT'S ALL IT THIS IS ALL SHOW.

THAT'S ALL IT IS, THEY WANT TO HAVE MAPS WHERE IS, THEY WANT TO HAVE MAPS WHERE LEGISLATORS CAN PICK THEIR LEGISLATORS CAN PICK THEIR VOTERS.

VOTERS.

>> HEARINGS DON'T NECESSARILY >> HEARINGS DON'T NECESSARILY EQUAL NON-PARTISAN MAPS.

YOU EQUAL NON-PARTISAN MAPS.

YOU COULD HAVE THEORETICALLY ONE COULD HAVE THEORETICALLY ONE TEN-HOUR HEARING IN EVERY COUNTY TEN-HOUR HEARING IN EVERY COUNTY ON COURTHOUSE SQUARE IN ALL 92 ON COURTHOUSE SQUARE IN ALL 92 COUNTIES.

HOURS OF TESTIMONY, COUNTIES.

HOURS OF TESTIMONY, YOU COULD TRANSCRIBE IT, MAKE YOU COULD TRANSCRIBE IT, MAKE EVERY MEMBER READ IT, HOWEVER EVERY MEMBER READ IT, HOWEVER YOU WOULD DO THAT.

WHEN ALL IS YOU WOULD DO THAT.

WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, SO WHAT?

SAID AND DONE, SO WHAT?

THE FACT -- THE MERE FACT THAT THE FACT -- THE MERE FACT THAT THERE ARE HEARINGS, WHILE IT IS THERE ARE HEARINGS, WHILE IT IS GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY AND CATHARTIC GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY AND CATHARTIC FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WEIGH IN FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THE ISSUE.

WHEN ALL SAID AND ON THE ISSUE.

WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE, THEY PROBABLY COULD PICK DONE, THEY PROBABLY COULD PICK THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS.

THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS.

>> IT DOESN'T BODE WELL WHEN ONE >> IT DOESN'T BODE WELL WHEN ONE OF THE SOUTH MEETINGS IS IN OF THE SOUTH MEETINGS IS IN ANDERSON.

ANDERSON.

>> [CROSS TALKING].

>> [CROSS TALKING].

>> WELL, TO BE FAIR, WHAT IS >> WELL, TO BE FAIR, WHAT IS THAT?

THAT?

DISTRICT 5, THAT WRAPS AROUND DISTRICT 5, THAT WRAPS AROUND INDIANAPOLIS ON THE OUTSIDE.

I INDIANAPOLIS ON THE OUTSIDE.

I MEAN, MIKE O'BRIEN, I'M CURIOUS, MEAN, MIKE O'BRIEN, I'M CURIOUS, WE'VE HEARD CALLS FOR WE'VE HEARD CALLS FOR TRANSPARENCY FROM REDISTRICTING TRANSPARENCY FROM REDISTRICTING REFORM ADVOCATES FOR A WHILE, REFORM ADVOCATES FOR A WHILE, BASICALLY SINCE 2011.

DO YOU BASICALLY SINCE 2011.

DO YOU THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE THINK THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR TRANSPARENCY RIGHT DIRECTION FOR TRANSPARENCY FROM GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

FROM GENERAL ASSEMBLY.

>> ALWAYS GOING TO SAY YES.

GEE >> ALWAYS GOING TO SAY YES.

GEE WHIZ, HERE'S A SOFTBALL, MIKE.

WHIZ, HERE'S A SOFTBALL, MIKE.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAN BE >> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAN BE MORE TRANSPARENT.

ONE, I DON'T MORE TRANSPARENT.

ONE, I DON'T THINK -- THIS IS JUST A GUESSING THINK -- THIS IS JUST A GUESSING GAME, WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS GAME, WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS MAGIC BOOK OF DATA HANDED TO MAP MAGIC BOOK OF DATA HANDED TO MAP DRAWERS IN SEPTEMBER.

WE KNOW DRAWERS IN SEPTEMBER.

WE KNOW WHERE POPULATIONS HAVE GROWN AND WHERE POPULATIONS HAVE GROWN AND SHRUNK.

WE KNOW WHERE PEOPLE SHRUNK.

WE KNOW WHERE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED AND WHERE THEY MOVED HAVE MOVED AND WHERE THEY MOVED FROM.

EVERY YEAR.

WE HAVE TO DO FROM.

EVERY YEAR.

WE HAVE TO DO THIS FOR PROPERTY TAXES, FOR THIS FOR PROPERTY TAXES, FOR OTHER THINGS.

LOCAL AND STATE OTHER THINGS.

LOCAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS.

THIS ISN'T GOVERNMENTS.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING LIKE BOX WITH A SOMETHING LIKE BOX WITH A QUESTION MARK ON IT THAT WE'RE QUESTION MARK ON IT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HANDED IN SEPTEMBER GOING TO BE HANDED IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO DRAW AND THEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO DRAW THESE DISTRICTS.

I DO THINK, WE THESE DISTRICTS.

I DO THINK, WE HAVE SEEN A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT HAVE SEEN A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT SINCE BARACK OBAMA -- WHICH HAS SINCE BARACK OBAMA -- WHICH HAS CONTRIBUTED -- WE WON THE HOUSE CONTRIBUTED -- WE WON THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 2010 OF REPRESENTATIVES 2010 ON -- 20-SEAT MAJORITY, AND ON -- 20-SEAT MAJORITY, AND ADDED TO THAT -- IN PROTEST OF ADDED TO THAT -- IN PROTEST OF RIGHT TO WORK.

THAT WAS WHY THEY RIGHT TO WORK.

THAT WAS WHY THEY LOST AND -- [CROSS TALKING].

LOST AND -- [CROSS TALKING].

>> THEN THE LINES WERE REDRAWN >> THEN THE LINES WERE REDRAWN AND THE OUTCOME WAS THE SAME.

AND THE OUTCOME WAS THE SAME.

>> THE OUTCOME IS 71%.

>> THE OUTCOME IS 71%.

>> THE MAKEUP OF THIS GENERAL >> THE MAKEUP OF THIS GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS SPANNED TWO ASSEMBLY HAS SPANNED TWO REDISTRICTS.

REDISTRICTS.

>> YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN STATES >> YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN STATES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WERE IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WERE RELIABLY DEMOCRATIC -- DIFFERENT RELIABLY DEMOCRATIC -- DIFFERENT ILK, NIXON, SORT OF THE -- OR ILK, NIXON, SORT OF THE -- OR JOHNSON, WHERE HE -- JOHNSON, WHERE HE -- >> CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

LOSING FOR >> CIVIL RIGHTS ACT.

LOSING FOR GENERATIONS, WRONG.

60 YEARS.

GENERATIONS, WRONG.

60 YEARS.

BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> SO MANY FACTORS.

>> SO MANY FACTORS.

>> THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT -- >> THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT -- >> I'M ARGUING WHAT HAPPENED.

>> I'M ARGUING WHAT HAPPENED.

THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER 2008.

HE HAD THE WORST -- HE HAD 2008.

HE HAD THE WORST -- HE HAD THE WORST OF ANY SITTING THE WORST OF ANY SITTING PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

THAT PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

THAT BENEFITTED INDIANA, A BENEFITTED INDIANA, A CONSERVATIVE STATE.

IT HAS NOT CONSERVATIVE STATE.

IT HAS NOT GONE BACK.

GONE BACK.

>> >> TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

TIME NOW FOR VIEWER FEEDBACK.

EACH WEEK WE POSE AN EACH WEEK WE POSE AN UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL UNSCIENTIFIC, ONLINE POLL QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR QUESTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT ICEMILLER E-MAIL AND TEXT ALERTS.

ALERTS.

THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: THIS WEEK'S QUESTION: WILL THE REDISTRICTING PUBLIC WILL THE REDISTRICTING PUBLIC MEETINGS BE ENOUGH TO ENSURE MEETINGS BE ENOUGH TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AS LAWMAKERS REDRAW TRANSPARENCY AS LAWMAKERS REDRAW LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT MAPS?

LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT MAPS?

>> A, YES, OR B, NO.

>> A, YES, OR B, NO.

LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: LAST WEEK'S QUESTION: IF COVID-19 CASES CONTINUE TO IF COVID-19 CASES CONTINUE TO RISE AS THE DELTA VARIANT RISE AS THE DELTA VARIANT SPREADS IN INDIANA, WILL STATE SPREADS IN INDIANA, WILL STATE OFFICIALS EVER AGAIN IMPOSE OFFICIALS EVER AGAIN IMPOSE STATEWIDE COVID RESTRICTIONS?

STATEWIDE COVID RESTRICTIONS?

40% OF YOU SAID YES.

AND 60% 40% OF YOU SAID YES.

AND 60% SAID NO.

SAID NO.

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THE INDIANA BOARD OF EDUCATION THE INDIANA BOARD OF EDUCATION RECENTLY APPROVED ACCREDITATION RECENTLY APPROVED ACCREDITATION FOR TWO NEW VIRTUAL SCHOOLS - FOR TWO NEW VIRTUAL SCHOOLS - THE STATE'S FIRST-EVER PRIVATE THE STATE'S FIRST-EVER PRIVATE VIRTUAL SCHOOLS.

INDIANA PUBLIC VIRTUAL SCHOOLS.

INDIANA PUBLIC BROADCASTING'S JEANIE LINDSAY BROADCASTING'S JEANIE LINDSAY REPORTS, THE SCHOOLS - REPORTS, THE SCHOOLS - FAITHPREP, WITH TIES TO THE FAITHPREP, WITH TIES TO THE COLUMBUS CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AND COLUMBUS CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AND GEO FOCUS ACADEMY, AFFILIATED GEO FOCUS ACADEMY, AFFILIATED WITH A CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATOR WITH A CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATOR IN GARY AND INDIANAPOLIS - BOTH IN GARY AND INDIANAPOLIS - BOTH PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

>> >> GEO FOUNDATION PRESIDENT KEVIN GEO FOUNDATION PRESIDENT KEVIN TEASLEY SAYS DESPITE THE NEW TEASLEY SAYS DESPITE THE NEW ACADEMY BEING A PRIVATE SCHOOL, ACADEMY BEING A PRIVATE SCHOOL, HE WANTS IT TO BE FREE.

HE WANTS IT TO BE FREE.

>> KEVIN TEASLEY: WELL THE GOAL >> KEVIN TEASLEY: WELL THE GOAL IS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COST IS THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO COST THE STUDENT ANYTHING - WE'RE THE STUDENT ANYTHING - WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE VOUCHER FROM GOING TO HAVE THE VOUCHER FROM THE STATE OF INDIANA AND THEN THE STATE OF INDIANA AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO RAISE WE'RE GOING TO RAISE SCHOLARSHIPS TO MAKE UP THE SCHOLARSHIPS TO MAKE UP THE OTHER 10 PERCENT.

OTHER 10 PERCENT.

>> >> TEASLEY SAYS STUDENTS WILL START TEASLEY SAYS STUDENTS WILL START OUT IN THE VIRTUAL SCHOOL, BUT OUT IN THE VIRTUAL SCHOOL, BUT ENROLL IN COLLEGE COURSES BY THE ENROLL IN COLLEGE COURSES BY THE TIME THEY HIT HIGH SCHOOL.

THE TIME THEY HIT HIGH SCHOOL.

THE BOARD APPROVED ACCREDITATION FOR BOARD APPROVED ACCREDITATION FOR THE TWO NEW SCHOOLS AFTER THE THE TWO NEW SCHOOLS AFTER THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION RECOMMENDED IT APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED IT APPROVE THE REQUESTS.

REQUESTS.

>> >> ANN DELANEY, INDIANA HAS HAD ANN DELANEY, INDIANA HAS HAD SOME ISSUES WITH VIRTUAL SCHOOLS SOME ISSUES WITH VIRTUAL SCHOOLS IN RECENT YEARS.

ARE YOU IN RECENT YEARS.

ARE YOU SURPRISED AT ALL THEY MOVED SURPRISED AT ALL THEY MOVED FORWARD WITH PRIVATE VIRTUALS?

FORWARD WITH PRIVATE VIRTUALS?

>> THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN >> THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN PLAYBOOK.

OUT SOURCE EVERYTHING, PLAYBOOK.

OUT SOURCE EVERYTHING, TAKE CIVIL SERVICE JOBS AND GIVE TAKE CIVIL SERVICE JOBS AND GIVE IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WILL DO IT IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WILL DO IT FOR $10 AN HOUR WITHOUT FOR $10 AN HOUR WITHOUT BENEFITS.

REDISTRICTING MATTERS.

BENEFITS.

REDISTRICTING MATTERS.

WHEN THEY HAVE SUPERMAJORITY.

WHEN THEY HAVE SUPERMAJORITY.

>> WE'RE BACK!

>> WE'RE BACK!

>> WITH IMPUNITY.

WE LOST >> WITH IMPUNITY.

WE LOST SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND $100 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY $100 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY BECAUSE THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT ON BECAUSE THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT ON THIS.

THEY WIND UP GIVING THIS.

THEY WIND UP GIVING CONTRACTS TO THEIR FAMILY CONTRACTS TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND THEIR FRIENDS A MEMBERS AND THEIR FRIENDS A ADD -- AT RIDICULOUS PRICES.

ADD -- AT RIDICULOUS PRICES.

WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY, DOING THE SAME THING INSANITY, DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.

THIS IS THE NEXT FBI THIS IS THE NEXT FBI INVESTIGATION WHEN IT IS ALL INVESTIGATION WHEN IT IS ALL DONE.

INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT THE DONE.

INCREDIBLE TO ME THAT THE SUPERMAJORITIES IN THE HOUSE AND SUPERMAJORITIES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS SENATE CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS KIND OF TRANSFER OF STATE ASSETS KIND OF TRANSFER OF STATE ASSETS TO PRIVATE PEOPLE WITHOUT TO PRIVATE PEOPLE WITHOUT ADEQUATE SUPERVISION.

ADEQUATE SUPERVISION.

>> THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE >> THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.

>> SO WHAT.

THAT'S MITCH -- >> SO WHAT.

THAT'S MITCH -- >> AND THAT HAS BEEN LITIGATED.

>> AND THAT HAS BEEN LITIGATED.

>> I UNDERSTAND THEY SAID IT >> I UNDERSTAND THEY SAID IT WASN'T GIVING TO CHURCHES.

I WASN'T GIVING TO CHURCHES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DISAGREE WITH UNDERSTAND THAT.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT DECISION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT DECISION, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT.

NONETHELESS, THE INDIANA THAT.

NONETHELESS, THE INDIANA SUPREME COURT DIDN'T SAY YOU SUPREME COURT DIDN'T SAY YOU COULD STEAL MONEY FROM THE COULD STEAL MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS AND HAVE NO ADEQUATE TAXPAYERS AND HAVE NO ADEQUATE SUPERVISION.

THAT IS WHAT HAS SUPERVISION.

THAT IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN.

IT'S CRAZY.

DOING IT AGAIN.

IT'S CRAZY.

>> MIKE O'BRIEN, I'M A LITTLE >> MIKE O'BRIEN, I'M A LITTLE CURIOUS, WITH THE MOVE FROM AN CURIOUS, WITH THE MOVE FROM AN ELECTED STATE SUPERINTENDENT TO ELECTED STATE SUPERINTENDENT TO AN APPOINTED HEAD OF THE AN APPOINTED HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, DO YOU DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS AN EXTENSION THINK THAT THIS IS AN EXTENSION OF HISTORICALLY REPUBLICAN OF HISTORICALLY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS CONTINUING THESE GOVERNORS CONTINUING THESE POLICIES?

POLICIES?

>> 100%.

THAT WAS THE POINT.

TO >> 100%.

THAT WAS THE POINT.

TO TAKE AWAY A SUPERINTENDENT THE TAKE AWAY A SUPERINTENDENT THE GOVERNMENT WAS GETTING GOVERNMENT WAS GETTING POLITICALLY SUPPORTED OR BLAMED POLITICALLY SUPPORTED OR BLAMED FOR THE OUTCOME AND MOVING INTO FOR THE OUTCOME AND MOVING INTO THE ADMINISTRATION.

THE THE ADMINISTRATION.

THE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATORS THE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATORS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLYS.

I DON'T GENERAL ASSEMBLYS.

I DON'T DISAGREE.

WE HAD A HUGE PROBLEM DISAGREE.

WE HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE SITUATION IN DALEVILLE.

WITH THE SITUATION IN DALEVILLE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE JUST GO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE JUST GO, WELL, THEY ILLEGALLY TOOK WELL, THEY ILLEGALLY TOOK ADVANTAGE, SO VIRTUAL SCHOOLS ADVANTAGE, SO VIRTUAL SCHOOLS AREN'T A THINK.

WE HAVE I.U.

AREN'T A THINK.

WE HAVE I.U.

JUST PUT ONE ONLINE, PURDUE HAS JUST PUT ONE ONLINE, PURDUE HAS HAD ONE FOR YEARS.

HAD ONE FOR YEARS.

>> AND THEY DON'T TAKE VOUCHERS.

>> AND THEY DON'T TAKE VOUCHERS.

>> WELL, THAT IS IT FOR THIS >> WELL, THAT IS IT FOR THIS WEEK.

WEEK.

THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW THAT'S INDIANA WEEK IN REVIEW FOR THIS WEEK.

FOR THIS WEEK.

OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN OUR PANEL IS DEMOCRAT ANN DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE DELANEY, REPUBLICAN MIKE O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES OF O'BRIEN, JON SCHWANTES OF INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI INDIANA LAWMAKERS, AND NIKI KELLY OF THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL KELLY OF THE FORT WAYNE JOURNAL GAZETTE.

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