>> Braude: TONIGHT ON "GREATER BOSTON," CONGRESSWOMEN KATHERINE CLARK AND LORI TRAHAN JOIN ME ON THEIR EXPERIENCES AS A MOB OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS STORMED THE CAPITOL BUILDING YESTERDAY, BUILDING YESTERDAY, DONALD TRUMP'S ROLE, AND THE GROWING CALLS TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE, AND HOW WE MOVE ON FROM HERE.

WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP AND SEVEN-FOOT-TALL FENCING HAS BEEN INSTALLED AROUND THE CAPITOL BUILDING, WHERE IT WILL REMAIN FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS AFTER YESTERDAY'S ATTACK ON THE CONGRESS, LED BY EXTREMISTS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

EVEN A FULL DAY LATER, IT'S STILL JAW-DROPPING TO SEE THE HORDE OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS STORMING THE BUILDING, PUSHING THROUGH BARRIERS, SMASHING IN WINDOWS, OVERRUNNING CAPITOL POLICE, AND RUMMAGING THROUGH THE OFFICES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.

FOUR PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE CHAOS, INCLUDING ONE WOMAN WHO WAS SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE, WHO SAY SHE AND OTHERS WERE TRYING TO BREAK DOWN A BARRICADED DOOR INSIDE THE BUILDING, WITH STILL NO REAL CONDEMNATION FOR ANY OF THIS BY THE PRESIDENT, AS OF THIS TAPING.

THE NUMBER OF LAWMAKERS AND OTHERS CALLING FOR HIS REMOVAL HAS BEEN GROWING BY THE HOUR.

MANY, OF COURSE, HAVE BEEN DEMOCRATS, LED BY NANCY PELOSI, WHO SAID THIS AFTERNOON SHE MAY MOVE TO IMPEACH IF THE 25th AMENDMENT IS NOT INVOKED.

AT LEAST ONE REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER, CONGRESSMAN ADAM KINZINGER OF ILLINOIS, HAS DECLARED HIS SUPPORT FOR REMOVING TRUMP, AS WELL.

>> THE PRESIDENT CAUSED THIS, THE PRESIDENT IS UNFIT, AND THE PRESIDENT IS UNWELL.

AND THE PRESIDENT NOW MUST RELINQUISH CONTROL OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH VOLUNTARILY OR INVOLUNTARILY.

>> Braude: SEVERAL REPORTS INDICATE TOP OFFICIALS WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN WEIGHING INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT, ESPECIALLY AFTER REPORTS THAT IT WAS PENCE WHO AUTHORIZED BRINGING IN THE NATIONAL GUARD TO CONTROL THE RIOTING BECAUSE TRUMP RESISTED.

AND, BY THE WAY, CNN IS QUOTING A SOURCE AS SAYING THE PRESIDENT NEVER EVEN CHECKED ON PENCE AT THE CAPITOL AFTER HE ENCOURAGED HIS MOB OF FOLLOWERS TO GO THERE.

BUT WHILE LAWMAKERS AND WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS ARE APPARENTLY WEIGHING THEIR OPTIONS, SOCIAL MEDIA GIANTS HAVE TAKEN ACTION.

AFTER TRUMP WAS TEMPORARILY BANNED FROM Facebook AND TWITTER YESTERDAY, MARK ZUCKERBERG TODAY OPTED TO BAN TRUMP FROM USING HIS PLATFORMS THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF HIS PRESIDENCY, AND POSSIBLY BEYOND, RELEASING A STATEMENT SAYING, IN PART: "WE BELIEVE THE RISKS OF ALLOWING THE PRESIDENT TO CONTINUE TO USE OUR SERVICE DURING THIS PERIOD ARE SIMPLY TOO GREAT."

I'M JOINED NOW BY ASSISTANT HOUSE SPEAKER KATHERINE CLARK OF MELROSE AND CONGRESSWOMAN LORI TRAHAN OF WESTFORD.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMEN, I'M SO GLAD YOUR SAFE, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

I APPRECIATE IT.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK -- BOTH OF YOU SUPPORT THE INVOCATION OF THE 25th AMENDMENT.

WHY, WITH ONLY 13 DAYS LAST, AND, TWO, IF IT IS INVOKED, IT HAS TO BE LED BY THE VICE PRESIDENT.

DO YOU THINK HAD HAD SOME OVERNIGHT CONVERSION BECAUSE HE IS NOW OUT OF FAVOR, REPORTEDLY, WITH THE PRESIDENT?

>> WHAT WE SAW YESTERDAY, JIM, WAS THE CULMINATION OF FOUR YEARS OF DIVISIVE RHETORIC, AND IT IS SADLY AS HORRIFYING AS IT WAS TO WATCH.

AND AS MUCH AS I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER SEE SCENES LIKE THAT PLAYING OUT ON THE CAPITOL STEPS IN THE HALLS OF CONGRESS, AND THE CAPITOL IS SUCH A SYMBOL OF DEMOCRACY, NOT JUST FOR AMERICANS, BUT REALLY FOR THE WORLD, BUT THIS IS ULTIMATELY PREDICTABLE, AND DONALD TRUMP IS A DANGEROUS PERSON, WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, AND CERTAINLY WITH THE ACTIONS YESTERDAY, THAT HE WILL DO ANYTHING TO RETAIN POWER.

SO 13 DAYS ARE 13 VERY DANGEROUS DAYS THAT WE NEED TO LIMIT IN ANY WA WE WAY WE CAN.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU WORRY MOST, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, THAT HE WILL DO IN THE NEXT 13 DAYS?

>> I THINK HE WILL CONTINUE TO INCITE VIOLENCE, NOT HERE JUST IN THE NATION'S CAPITOL, BUT IN OUR STATE HOUSES AND COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

I WORRY THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY TO START A WAR.

I WORRY THAT HE WILL TRY TO INVOKE MILITARY SUPPORT TO KEEP HIM IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE LIST OF SOMEONE WHO IS SO UNFIT, SO CHAOTIC, IS VERY LONG OF CONCERNS.

AND, YES, DO I BELIEVE THAT VICE-PRESIDENT PENCE IS GOING TO FIND THE FORTITUDE AT THIS POINT TO STAND UP TO THIS PRESIDENT AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN THAT.

BUT THE 25th AMENDMENT IS THE QUICKEST WAY THAT WE CAN REMOVE THIS PRESIDENT.

AND WE HAVE TO JOIN WITH ANYONE WHO WILL JOIN WITH US IN THE G.O.P.

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESS THEM TO TAKE THIS ACTION AND TAKE IT TODAY.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, DO YOU SHARE CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK'S NOTION THAT MIKE PENCE DID NOT HAVE AN OVERNIGHT EPIPHANY, IS THE SUPPORT FOR THE 25th AMENDMENT, FOR NANCY PELOSI AND LEADER SCHUMER -- IS THIS JUST A STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE IF IT IS GOING NOWHERE?

WHAT'S THE POINT?

>> NO.

I THINK WE DID SEE REPORTS THAT CABINET MEMBERS WERE CONSIDERING INVOKING THE 25th AMENDMENT.

WHILE I'M HOPEFUL THAT THOSE REPORTS ARE TRUE, I WOULD BE LYING IF I SAID I HAD ANY CONFIDENCE IN THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING AT THIS POINT.

WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF US, LAST NIGHT, CALLED FOR MOVING FORWARD IMMEDIATELY WITH ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- DONALD TRUMP IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTS OF TERROR THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY.

AND THERE IS GROWING SUPPORT THAT HE SIMPLY CANNOT BE PERMITTED TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ANY LONGER.

BUT ALSO, AS IMPORTANTLY, THAT HE SHOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO HOLD OFFICE AGAIN.

AND SO I THINK -- I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING SOME -- MANY OF US, WHO REALLY FEEL THAT THE PRESIDENT IS A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER TO THE SAFETY OF OUR COUNTRY, AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THESE LAST 13 DAYS, AND THE DAMAGE THAT HE COULD DO IN THAT WEEK AND A HALF.

>> Braude: WE SHOULD BE CLEAR TO BEAR HIM FROM OFFICE, HE WOULD NOT ONLY HAVE TO BE IMPEACHED AND REMOVED BY A TWO-THIRDS SENATE VOTE, THERE COULD HAVE TO BE A SENATE VOTE TO BAR HIM BY MAJORITY IN THE FUTURE.

THE DEMOCRAT THAT WAS JUST ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, TO ME HIS MAJOR THEME WAS UNITING THE COUNTRY -- IS NOT THE DEMOCRATS GOING AFTER THE TRUMP YET AGAIN, EVEN IF EVERYTHING THE TWO OF YOU SAY IS TRUE, IS IT NOT CERTAIN TO EVEN CAUSE A DEEPER CASIM BETWEEN BOTH SIDES OF THIS COUNTRY?

>> AT THIS POINT IN OUR HISTORY, WHAT WE WITNESSED YESTERDAY, WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SPEAK UP AND USE EVERY TOOL WE HAVE TO REMOVE DONALD TRUMP FROM OFFICE.

THIS IS SO FAR BEYOND POLITICS AND THINKING ABOUT UNITY.

THIS IS A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAS INCITED VIOLENCE AGAINST OUR VERY DEMOCRACY.

HE HAS FUELED, EVEN AFTER -- HOURS AFTER THESE THUGS AND CRIMINALS TOOX OVERCRIMINALS TOOKOVER THE CAPITOL, AND WE LOST FOUR PEOPLE AND MANY MORE WERE INJURED, HE SENT OUT A VIDEO THAT BASICALLY SAID, I LOVE YOU.

WE KNOW THIS IS ALL GOOD IN THE NAME OF PROTECTING MY ELECTION.

THIS IS LIE UPON LIE AND DANGEROUS ACTION BEING CALLED ON TO SUPPORT HIS WEB OF INFORMATION.

SO WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE HAVING JOE BIDEN AND THE RETURN TO INTEGRITY AND A BELIEF IN SCIENCE AND TRUTH.

AND WE WILL HAVE AN AGENDA THAT PUTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE SOLUTIONS THEY NEED IN THIS INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING TIME OF LOSS AND ECONOMIC RUIN.

BUT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SHOW NOT ONLY OUR FELLOW AMERICANS, BUT THE WORLD, THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE VIOLENCE AND THREATS TO LAWMAKERS IN YESTERDAY'S ME MELEE, FAR FEWER THAN A HUNDRED PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED.

AND D.C. ARRESTED NEARLY 300 PEOPLE IN A SINGLE NIGHT DURING BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTS IN JUNE.

WHILE WE ALL REMEMBER HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAR GASSED PEACEFUL PROTESTORS IN LAFAYETTE SQUARE OVER THE SUMMER TO CLEAR THE WAY FOR A TRUMP NOTE PHOTO OP, AND GRANTED OFFICERS USED SOME OF THOSE TECHNIQUES YESTERDAY, BUT VIDEO THOSE SOME OFFICERS TAKING SELFIES.

THE MAYOR OF WASHINGTON, D.C. ALSO ASKED CONGRESS TO CREATE A PANEL TO INVESTIGATE THE SECURITY LAPSES THAT LED TO YESTERDAY'S EVENTS, WHICH MOST EXPERTS SAY SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER PREPARED FOR.

>> IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT THE POLICE WERE OUTNUMBERED, AND THEY APPARENTLY UNDERESTIMATED THE STRENGTH AND THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE IN THAT CROWD, AND OVERESTIMATED THEIR ABILITY TO CONTROL THE CROWD.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, THE BEST INTERPRET INTERPRETATION THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT YESTERDAY WAS THAT THEY WERE UNPREPARED.

BUT MANY CREDIBLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID SOME WERE COLLABORATORS, AND I USE THE TERM INTENTIONALLY, WITH THE RIOTERS.

WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED YESTERDAY WITH SECURITY?

>> SO I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD NEARLY ENOUGH TIME TO DO A COMPLETE POST-MORTEM ON WHAT WENT WRONG YESTERDAY, BUT IT IS CLEAR THERE WERE A SERIES OF MISTAKES MADE THAT ALLOWED INSURGENT TO OVERTAKE THE CAPITOL.

INVESTIGATIONS HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED FROM OUR JURISDICTION IN THE HOUSE, AND I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL UNCOVER EVERY MISSTEP AND TAKE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THEY NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.

YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.

AFTER THE YEAR WE JUST HAD, I DON'T FAULT A SINGLE PERSON FOR FEELING THAT THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT YESTERDAY IF FOLKS CARRYING BLACK LIVES MATTER SIGNS WERE ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS CHARGING UP THE STEPS OF THE UNITED STATES' CAPITOL AND RAN RANSACKING THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.

WE NEED TO TAKE IS SERIES STEPS ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICE VERSUS A VIOLENT MOB OVERTAKING THE CAPITOL.

AND USING THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FLY THE TRADERIST CONFEDERATE FLACK.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, IS THIS NOT -- IN TERMS OF CALLING FOR THE RESIGNATION OF THE HEAD OF THE CAPITOL POLICE, IT SEEMS TO ME, UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW, THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW.

IT IS ALMOST LIKE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

WAS THIS PREMATURE ON THE SPEAKER'S PART OR NO?

>> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS.

BUT I BELIEVE IT CAN ONLY BE THE BEGINNING.

AS CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN SAID, WE NEED A FULL INVESTIGATION TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE NOT MORE PREPARED.

WAS IT SYMPATHIZERS?

WAS THIS SOME SORT OF COLLABORATION WITH THE WHITE HOUSE?

OR WAS IT SIMPLY THAT THE CAPITOL POLICE WERE OUTNUMBERED AND NOT PREPARED FOR THIS?

BUT HERE IS THE THING: WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING.

WE KNEW THIS DAY WAS GOING TO BE MET BY PROUD BOYS AND OTHER WHITE NATIONALISTS COMING TO WASHINGTON TO PROTEST AT THE CAPITOL.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS WHERE DID THE SYSTEM GO WRONG?

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, I KNOW YOU BOTH SHELTERED IN YOUR OFFICE YESTERDAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW CALM YOU ARE 24 HOURS LATER.

IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD BE A BOWL OF JELL-O TODAY.

BOTH PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY, WHAT WAS YESTERDAY LIKE FOR YOU?

THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD HAVE ENVISIONED HIS TROOPS MAYBE BEING VIOLENT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY OF YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE IN LOCKDOWN IN YOUR CHAMBERS, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE STATE HOUSE.

WHAT WAS THAT LIKE FOR YOU, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK?

>> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, JIM.

I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE VIOLENCE.

I GOT CALLS FROM MY FAMILY SAYING PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

AND I REALLY DID HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITOL, WHICH IS A SECURE AREA -- IT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND THAT IT WOULD BE TAKEN OVER.

AND I CAME TO THE CAPITOL COMPLEX AS THE -- AS IT WAS ALREADY UNDER WAY IN THE HOUSE, THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE PROCESS.

AND SO I WAS WALKING DOWN INDEPENDENCE AVENUE, AND I AM NEVER GOING TO FORGET THAT SIGHT OF SEEING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH TRUMP FLAGS, WAVING CONFEDERATE FLAGS WAVING, FROM THE STEPS OF THE CAPITOL.

AND IT WAS THE SMELL OF TEAR GAS AND SMOKE IN THE AIR.

AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH AT THAT POINT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE ABOUT TO ACTUALLY BREACH THE CAPITOL, THEY WERE UP ON THE STEPS.

AND IT WAS CLEARLY ALREADY A SITUATION THAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE IN FILMS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.

>> Braude: WERE YOU WORRIED FOR YOUR SAFETY, CONGRESSWOMAN?

>> UM, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T.

I WAS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

I WAS VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE FRESHMEN -- THIS IS THEIR FIRST WEEK IN CONGRESS -- >> Braude: HELL OF A FIRST WEEK.

>> HOW TO KEEP THEMSELVES SAFE, HOW TO SAFELY EXIT THE CAPITOL IN AN EMERGENCY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL IT HAPPENED, I REALLY NEVER CONSIDERED THAT THEY WOULD BREACH THE CAPITOL.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, WERE YOU WORRIED FOR YOUR SAFETY?

>> YEAH -- CERTAINLY YOU FEEL DETACHED WHEN YOU'RE SHELTERING IN PLACE.

YOU FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR TEAM MEMBERS WHO ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, SERVING THE PEOPLE OF YOUR DISTRICT.

I MEAN, I WAS SAD AND I WAS OUTRAGED ALL AT THE SAME TIME, AND I WATCHED HUNDREDS OF INSURGENTS RUSHED THE SAME STEPS OF THE CAPITOL THAT I STOOD ON WITH MY 6 AND 10-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTERS JUST THE DAY PRIOR.

IT WAS JUST A TOUGH MOMENT.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THAT, IT'S AMAZING, I THINK COLLECTIVELY WE ALL HAD THE SAME FEELING OF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE UNDETERRED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE INTIMIDATED.

THESE TERRORISTS ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTAIN THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK TO THE HOUSE FLOOR, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE ARE THERE TO DO, WHICH IS UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTIONS.

AND I THINK THAT KIND OF GETS YOU THROUGH IT, KNOWING THERE WAS REAL WORK TO BE DONE AND YOU JUST HAD TO GET THROUGH THIS MOMENT.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO THE SPEAKER -- HOW DID SHE REACT TO PEOPLE OCCUPYING HER OFFICE AND FEET UP ON HER DESK -- HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO HER SINCE?

>> I WILL BE SPEAKING TO HER SOON.

NANCY PELOSI WILL UPHOLD OUR CONSTITUTION AND DEMOCRACY AND HOLD THIS ITS PRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE.

>> Braude: VERY QUICKLY, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, I HEARD ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, SUSAN WILD FROM PENNSYLVANIA, TALKING ABOUT BEING EVACUATED TO A ROOM, SHE WOULDN'T SAY WHERE, WITH A COUPLE OTHER HUNDRED CONGRESS PEOPLE.

AND SHE SAID A PARTICULAR NUMBER OF THE FRESHMEN REPUBLICANS WERE NOT EVEN WEAR MASKS IN THIS CLOSED ENVIRONMENT, WHICH TO ME IS ALMOST HOMICIDAL BEHAVIOR.

ISN'T THERE A MANDATE THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, AT LEAST WHEN TOGETHER, MASK UP SO THAT PEOPLE STAY ALIVE?

>> THERE IS A MANDATE ON THE HOUSEFLOOR, AND WE ARE NOT EVEN ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT WITHOUT A FIGHT -- >> Braude: PATHETIC.

>> AND LET ME TELL YOU, PEOPLE WENT UP TO THOSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND VERY CALM AND POLITELY SAID PLEASE PUT A MASK ON FOR EVERYONE'S PROTECTION.

I'M WEARING ONE FOR YOU -- >> Braude: INDEFENSIBLE.

AFTER THE CHAOS AT THE CAPITAL FINALLY SUBSIDED, THERE WAS A SHIFT INSIDE THE CHAMBERS.

>> THIS FAILED INSURRECTION ONLY UNDERSCORES HOW CRUCIAL THE TASK BEFORE US IS FOR OUR REPUBLIC.

>> TRUMP AND I, WE'VE HAD A HELL OF A JOURNEY.

I HATE IT TO END THIS WAY.

ALL I CAN SAY IS COUNT ME OUT.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

I TRIED TO BE HELPFUL.

>> Braude: SOME LAWMAKERS WHO HAD INITIALLY PLANNED TO OBJECT DURING THE ELECTION CERTIFICATION PROCESS BACKED DOWN, AND WE'VE SEEN MULTIPLE WHITE HOUSE RESIGNATIONS, INCLUDING ELAINE CHAO, WHO HAPPENS TO BE MARRIED TO MITCH McCONNELL.

I HAVE TO ASK: THIS IS WHAT IT TOOK TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO FINALLY TAKE A STAND?

AND THERE ARE MANY WHO REMAIN UNCONVINCED AS SHOWN BY I THINK IT IS 147 REPUBLICANS WHO STILL VOTED TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION RESULTS LAST NIGHT BASED ON NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.

CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, I'VE HEARD A NUMBER OF YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE LAST 12 HOURS SAY THEY THOUGHT LAST NIGHT WAS A TURNING POINT IN A POSITIVE WAY, AND IT IS A HOPE FOR SOME BIPARTISANSHIP GOING FORWARD AFTER THE SCARE OF YESTERDAY IS FAR GREATER.

ARE THEY BEING NAIVE?

>> WE SHALL SEE.

BUT HERE IS THE TIME FOR THE G.O.P.

TO STAND UP.

BECAUSE THE 25th AMENDMENT, EVEN IMPEACHMENT, EVEN JUST A CENSOR, CANNOT BE DONE WITHOUT THEM.

SO IF THEY'RE SERIOUS, IF THEY BELIEVE THAT OUR CONSTITUTION AND OUR COUNTRY AND OUR DEMOCRACY SHOULD COME AHEAD OF THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO A FAILED PRESIDENT, NOW IS THE TIME TO STEP UP AND SHOW US.

>> Braude: WHAT DO YOU SAY, CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN -- I ASSUME YOU HAVE FRIENDS AMONGST YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, AND I ASSUME AMONGST THE 147, IF I GOT THE NUMBER RIGHT, ARE THEY KIDDING?

DO THEY BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP WON THIS ELECTION?

OR IS THIS PURELY A C.Y.A.

KIND OF THING SO THEY CAN PANDER TO THE FOLKS BACK HOME COME RE-ELECTION TIME?

WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION HERE?

>> I THINK THAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THIS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE WORKED WITH REPUBLICANS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS TO GET SOME BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION OVER THE LINE.

SENATORS CRUZ AND HAWLEY -- AND THERE ARE DOZENS OF OTHERS IN CONGRESS -- HAVE PEDALED THESE CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

AND THEY FACE JUST AS MUCH RESPONSIBILITY.

BUT I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE DIGNITY AND RESPECT FOR OUR NATION TO END THEIR EFFORT TO OVERTHROW THE ELECTION FOLLOWING THE FAILED INSURRECTION.

BUT WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT WAS ANYTHING BUT REMORSE.

THE SIX SENATORS AND MORE THAN 100 CONGRESS MEMBERS WHO VOTED LAST NIGHT TO OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIDE FROM THE PUBLIC RECKONING FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

SO WHILE I ALWAYS REMAIN HOPEFUL THAT A NEW CONGRESS, A NEW INCOMING ADMINISTRATION GIVES US OPTIMISM THAT WE CAN BRIDGE THAT DIVIDE, THAT WE CAN START TO HEAL, THAT WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

WE HAVE TO START TALKING IN TRUTHS TO EACH OTHER ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

WE HAVE TO STOP, YOU KNOW, PANDERING TO A BASE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THE WORK THAT OUR COUNTRY EXPECTS US TO DO.

>> Braude: YEAH, BUT CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, IF I CAN JUST BRIEFLY, IT IS NOT JUST YOUR COLLEAGUES.

YOU'VE SEEN THE POLLS.

LATE DECEMBER, 68% OF REPUBLICANS THOUGHT THAT THE ELECTION SYSTEM IN THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT TO BE TRUSTED.

70% CONTINUE TO SAY THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

QUICKLY, CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, HOW DO YOU, EVEN IF YOU COULD MOVE YOUR COLLEAGUES, HOW DO YOU CONVINCE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WHO ARE SO LOCKED INTO THESE FANTASIES?

>> LOOK, I WAS ON A FLIGHT TODAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, 95% OF THE FLIGHT WERE FOLKS WHO WERE PART OF YESTERDAY'S INSURGENCE.

>> Braude: YOU'RE A BRAVE WOMAN.

BUT GO AHEAD.

>> WELL, I'M NOT AS RECOGNIZABLE AS THE ASSISTANT SPEAKER.

>> Braude: OKAY.

>> BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THERE IS A MEDIA ECO-SYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS THESE BASELESS CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

AND WE HAVE TO GET AT THAT.

WHEN BAD PEOPLE ARE BEHAVING BADLY, THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE.

WHEN WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE BEHAVING BADLY, WE HAVE TO GET AT THE HEART OF COMING UP WITH THE TRUTH AND SHARING THAT.

AND I THINK THAT IS THE WORK AHEAD OF US.

>> Braude: YOU KNOW, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK MOST TROUBLES FAIR-MINDED AMERICANS WHO HAVE LIVED THROUGH THIS HORROR OF NOT JUST YESTERDAY, BUT WHAT PRECEDED THIS, IS WE HAVE BEEN A COUNTRY, AND OURS HAS BEEN A GOVERNMENT, THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE LOOKED UP TO AS A BEACON OF HOPE, A BEACON OF TRUST, A BEACON OF DEMOCRACY.

HOW DO YOU, AS A LEADER OF THIS GOVERNMENT -- WHAT DO YOU SAY TO SOMEONE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY, WHO IS OPPRESSING THEIR PEOPLE, A LEADER WHO IS LYING TO THEIR PEOPLE, A LEADER WHO IS SUBVERTING DEMOCRACY IN HIS OR HER COUNTRY WHEN THEY SAY TO YOU, YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN WE ARE?

>> YEAH, WELL, IT IS EXACTLY WHY I FEEL SO STRONGLY, JIM, THAT WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REMOVE THIS PRESIDENT.

IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT WE ARE GOING TO STAND FOR TRUTH, THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UPHOLD OUR OATH OF OFFICE AND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS.

BUT IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD, THAT WE DO NOT TOLERATE THIS.

THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY AN ABERRATION, BUT WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO ENSURE THAT DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT COME BACK INTO POWER, NOR DOES THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM AND ENABLE HIM.

SO THAT'S THE WORK BEFORE US.

AND THAT IS WHY I FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT WE CANNOT WAIT EVEN TWO WEEKS FOR THE NEW PRESIDENT, BUT HAVE TO ACT NOW.

>> Braude: WE ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS LEFT, SO YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS EACH, AND I WANT TO END IN AN UP NOTE BECAUSE THIS IS SO DEPRESSING.

I'LL START WITH YOU, CONGRESSWOMAN CLARK.

HOW DO YOU FEEL WHEN JON OSSOFF WAS DECLARED THE VICTORY, AND WHEN THE HOUSE PASSED THE BILL, THAT THE SENATE WOULD AT LEAST VOTE ON IT, EVEN IF IT WAS GUARANTEED TO SUPPORT IT.

WHAT DID THAT FEEL LIKE?

>> I THOUGHT OF MY FRIEND, JOHN LEWIS, AND HIS RESOUNDING WORDS TO KEEP THE FAITH.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE FAITH IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR DEMOCRACY, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK FOR CHANGE.

>> Braude: CONGRESSWOMAN TRAHAN, HOW DID THAT FEEL TO YOU?

>> I FEEL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN IN BOTH YEARS, THE PRESIDENT HAD BOTH CHAMBERS OF THE HOUSE AND THE WHITE HOUSE, AND IN FOUR YEARS TIME, IT SHOWED THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT CHANGE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO WORK, AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON BRIDGING THAT DIVIDE, BUT ALSO MAKING THE MOST OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY THIS YEAR AND HOPEFULLY MANY YEARS BEYOND.

>> Braude: LORI TRAHAN AND KATHERINE CLARK, I'M REALLY GLAD YOU'RE SAFE AND WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH ME TONIGHT.

GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

WHILE THE CRISIS OVER THE VIOLENT ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY HAS TAKEN NEARLY ALL OF OUR FOCUS OVER THE LAST DAY, THERE IS ANOTHER CRISIS STILL RAGING WHICH CANNOT BE IGNORED.

ALTHOUGH THE INCITER OF YESTERDAYS VIOLENCE CONTINUES TO.

NEARLY 4,000 PEOPLE DIED OF COVID-19 IN THIS COUNTRY YESTERDAY.

A RECORD THAT WE'LL LIKELY BREAK AGAIN AND AGAIN OVER THE COMING WEEKS.

ON TOP OF THE IMMEDIATE THREATS OF THE THOUSANDS OF PRO-TRUMP RIOTERS POSED, IT IS WORTH POINTING OUT THAT MOST WERE MASKLESS, AND THEY ULTIMATELY FORCED HUNDREDS OF LAWMAKERS, AS WELL AS AIDES AND MEMBERS OF THE PRESS, TO HUNKER DOWN IN SMALL SPACES, PACKED LIKE SARDINES FOR HOURS, SOME FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES.

AND ALL THE WHILE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME NEWLY-ELECTED REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS REFUSED TO WEAR MASKS AT ALL.

LATE LAST NIGHT FRESHMAN CONGRESSMAN JAKE LATURNER TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE VIRUS AFTER VOTING ON THE FLOOR.

IT IS UNCLEAR IF HE WAS WEARING A MASK THE ENTIRE TIME.

EVEN IF HE WAS, HIS PROXIMITY TO OTHERS IN THAT PACKED ROOM, PUT OTHERS AT RISK OF MIED MEETINGMEETINGTHE SAME FATE AS THE 350,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED FROM COVID.

THERE WAS 81-YEAR-OLD LOUISE REDMAN OF MAINE, WHO'S FAMILY DESCRIBED HER AS A WONDERFUL PERSON WHO LOVED LIFE WITH GUSTO.

OR 76-YEAR-OLD JACK LYNCH, WHO AS A TEACHER MADE AN IMPACT OF MANY LIVES.

AND ONE WHO WROTE, IT IS MY MOTHER'S RESILIENCY THAT ALLOWS ME TO BE HERE TODAY.

IF WE CARRY INTERGENERATIONAL WISDOM AND STRENGTH.

THAT'S IT FOR ME THIS WEEK.

PLEASE COME BACK TOMORROW FOR "BEAT THE PRESS."

AND EMILY ROONEY WILL TAKE UP WITH THE PANEL THE CHALLENGES WE FACE FROM SAFETY TO TERMINOLOGY.

I'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK ON MONDAY.

SENATOR EDWARD MARKEY WILL BE HERE.

AND WEDNESDAY I'LL BE JOINED BY THE MAN WE'VE LEARNED JOE BIDEN IS ABOUT TO NOMINATE FOR U.S. LABOR SECRETARY, BOSTON MAYOR MARTY WALSH.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

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