>>> THE CHOSEN ONE BECOMES THE TARGET.

!

!musiC@!

!

!musiC@!

!

!musiC@!

!

!musiC@!

>>> JOINING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

TERRY CASEY REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST.

A SHARP REVERSAL.

ALL BUT ONE OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR U.S. SENATE SAY DAWN DONALD TRUMP HAS MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE.

THEY'RE GOING ALL OUT TO DISCRED THAT AUTHOR.

IN THE CLUB FOR GROWTH, WHICH SUSPORTS MANDEL IS REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY AND THEIR ARE REPLAY VANCE'S HARSH WORDS ABOUT TRUMP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WHY THE BARRAGE OF ADS AGAINST J.D.

VANCE?

HE IS A 23% DOUBLE WHERE HE WAS LAST MONTH.

NEXT IS GIVENS AT 13 AND JAM TIMPCON IS AT SIX.

A QUARTER OF REPUBLICAN VOTERS REMAIN UNDECIDED AND HALF SAY THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND.

TIM CASEY, JUST A CUP FL DAYS TO GO IN THIS RACE STILL FLUID?

>> IT IS VERY FLUID AND ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS IS WHY KIND OF TURNOUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ON ELECTION DAY?

REPUBLICANS TEND TO BE MORE ELECTION-DAY VOTERS AND A LOT OF THEM ARE, TO BE HONEST, ONE, TURNED OFF BY ALL THE NEGATIVE SEWER SYSTEM ON THE TV STATIONS AND WHAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO DIRECT MAIL AND PHONE CALLS.

THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S CONFUSION.

I'VE GOT FROM BOARD OF ELECTIONS PEOPLE OF IS THE PRIMARY IN MAY OR AUGUST AND CAN YOU VOTE IN BOTH?

IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO WONDER WHAT'S UP.

>> HE HASN'T LOST TOO MUCH SUPPORT BUTTED BEEN STUCK AT THE 20% RANGE.

HIS NAME, WILL THAT PUT HIM OVER THE TOP TUESDAY, DO YOU THINK?

>> GEIN NOT KNOWING VERY MUCH AND LOOKING FOR A FAMILIAR NAME, THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

IT IS FLUID AND DEMOCRATS HAVE TO DECIDE WHO THEY WANT AS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.

IS VANCE A STRONGER CANDIDATE?

HE THINKS HE'S THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE.

THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF SPECULATION, WHICH I KNOW JOURNALISTS ARE FOLLOWING UP ON.

WHAT'S THE REAL REASON TRUMP ENDORSED J.D.

VANCE?

AND THAT'S QUID PRO QUOSES AND MONEY BEING EXCHANGED.

I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DIGGING.

>> TIMPKIN SEEMS TO BE TICKING UP A LITTLE.

>> I DEPT THINK IT'S A WO-PERSON RACE AT ALL.

ONE THEORY THAT CAME MY WAY LAST WEEK IN REPORTING IS THIS IS NOW GOING TO SPLIT THE TRUMP BASE BETWEEN VANCE, MENDEL AND GIVENS AND THAT COULD GIVE SOME SORT OF A PASS AND WE'RE SEEING IN THE POLL YOU SHOWED FOR SOMEBODY LIKE MATT.

>> THAT PULLED HIM UP QUITE A BIT.

HE'S DOWN BY 10, 11 POINTS.

AND THERE'S A NEW ONE OUT SHOWING HIM LEADING.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS DONE.

HALF OF IT WAS A ROBO CALL AND AN ADVANTAGE FOR NOLAN, MENTIONED FIRST AND THEN THEY DID TEXTING PEOPLE.

THE POLLS A LITTLEIFFISH AND TO BE HONEST, ANY POLING, PARTICULARLY NOW IS LIKE TRYING TO CLIMB A HIGH MOUNTAIN.

>> SHE'S STILL COUNTING ON GROUNDING SHE BUILT OVER THIS TIME.

THE POLLS HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO COUNT ON BECAUSE OF THE TURNOUT ISSUES AND WHO HAS DONE THEM AND WITH THAT KIND OF INTEREST.

>> WILL THEY GIVE US AN INDICATION, AT LEAST OF THE GROUND GAME?

>> I THINK WILL GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF NAME RECOGNITION.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISE IF MANDEL IS AHEAD EARLY IN VOTING.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

>> THE SEA BECK I GOT FROM TALKING TO OFFICIALS AROUND THE STATE IS THE DEMOCRATS TRADITIONALLY DO BETTER IN EARLY VOTING BECAUSE THEY PUSH IN A LOT MORE REPUBLICANS LIKE TO VOTE ON ELECTION DAY.

EITHER WAY THE VOTER TURNOUT, VOTED THIS PAST WEEK AND THERE'S NO LINES.

IT'S REAL EASY.

THE NUMBERS ARE NOT HUGE.

SO, TURNOUT IS STILL A WILD CARD.

AND PART OF IT GETS INTO THE RURAL PARTS OF OHIO VERSES THE CITIES.

AND I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF LEVELS OF INTEREST THAT WAY.

FWLRS IT COULD BE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN REPELLED BY THIS RACE.

IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE NASTIEST I SEEN AND PRETTY SOON YOU LOOK DOWN THE LINE AND SAY WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THIS NEGATIVE THAT TRUMP IS SAYING ABOUT MANDEL AND GIVENS.

AND THEN WHAT ABOUT VANCE AND ALL THE NEGATIVE BEING SPEWED ABOUT HIM?

MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO STAY HOME?

>> AND MY SUMMARY IS THIS IS LIKE A CAGE MATCH ONLY A MULTILEVEL CAGE MATCH BECAUSE THE MONEY, INDEPENDENT SEPARATE SOURCES, SPECIAL INTERESTS.

>> THEY COME TOGETHER AND GET ON STAGE TOGETHER AND HOLD HANDS AND SAY I ENDORSE THE WINNER?

>> NOT SINCERELY.

>> TO EVEN DO THAT THOUGH.

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

IF MATT DOLAN WERE WILLING TO PUT IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF MILLION, I CAN SEE THE AD RIGHT NOW.

VOTE FOR ARE THE ONE TRUE CONSERVATIVE WHO HAS NOT GOTTEN IN THE GUTTER.

>> WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT HE'S SAYING.

>> HE HAS TO NOW SEPARATE HIMSELF FROM THE OTHER TOP FOUR.

>> BUT PART OF HIS PROBLEM IS HE HASN'T BEEN ATTACKED BY THE OTHERS.

SO, THAT DOESN'T BUILD UP HIS NAME I.D.

>> IT'S SAYING HE'S DIFFERENT FROM THE SEWER YOU ARE REFERRED TO EARLIER.

THAT MIGHT APPEAL TO ENOUGH PEOPLE TO SAY HE'S A CONSERVATIVE AND HE'S NOT STUPID TO THESE TACTICS.

>> IT WILL BE FUN TO WATCH.

THE RESULT WILL BE FUN TO WATCH.

>> WE ALWAYS JOKE THAT PEOPLE ARE HAPPY IN THE LOCAL TV STATION.

>> NOT THE PUBLIC TV STATION.

>> AND GOVERNOR ON TUESDAY.

DEMOCRATS WILL CHOOSE BETWEEN FORMER CINCINNATI MAYOR AND DAYTON MAYOR.

MANY ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS HAVE LINED UP FOR WAILY WHO SAY SHE'S THE BEST CHALLENGE TO DEWINE.

CURB AZURE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR IN THIS RACE?

WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY STAND.

WE THINK WAILY HAS THE EDGE BUT WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS COMES DOWN?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WIN THIS AND WHAT I REALLY DON'T KNOW IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE-RICH AREAS IN NORTHEASTERN OHIO.

THIS IS SORT OF TWO CANDIDATES FROM CINCINNATI, DAYTON, SOUTHWEST OHIO.

I DO KNOW CRANLEY'S GOT THE ENDORSEMENT OF THE CLEVELAND PLAIN DEALER AND I THINK HE'S BEEN PROBABLY BETTER POSITIONED IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS.

FOR DEMOCRATS, IT'S WHO TO YOU THING IS THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE TO RUN AGAINST DEWINE?

AND I THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE THINKING MAYBE HE REALLY DOES THAT.

>> THE WAY IT IS NOW IS UNDECIDED.

I'M TOLD IT'S COME DOWN FROM ABOUT 70% DECIDED.

SO, IT'S REALLY A WILD CARD.

IF I WERE BETTING TODAY, I'D PROBABLY GO WAILY.

NAN'S HAD THE TV ADS FROM BROWN, WHICH MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO PUSH HER OVER, PARTICULARLY AS HERB TIED IN NORTHEASTERN OHIO WHERE PROBABLY 40 TO 45% OF THE DEMOCRATS VOTE ISSED YES.

>> MAKES A GOOD POINT SAYING WE'VE NOMINATED MIDDLE AGED WHITE MEN EVERY TIME AND IT HASN'T WORKED OUT VERY WELL.

GIVE THE WOMEN A CHANCE.

>> I DID A WOMEN'S VOTE STORY LAST WEEK AND IT'S A HUGE DEAL FOR DEMOCRATS.

THEY NEED SHORE THAT UP.

IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY DISTINCTIONS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURFACE OF THEY'RE BOTH MAYORS AND BOTH IN THE SAME PART OF THE STATE.

THEY'RE COMING IN WITHOUT STATE-WIDE EXPERIENCE POLITICALLY.

THEY'RE MOSTLY ALIGNED WITH THE ISSUES AND THIS IS A NARROW THING BUT TO SAY WE'RE BOTH PRO ABORTION RIGHTS BUT I WAS SOONER AND MORE CONSISTENTLY.

IF PEOPLE ARE ARE VOTING ON ONE ISSUE, MAYBE IT'S GOING TO BE GENDER.

>> CRANLEY EARLY ON PUT EMPHASIS ON HIS WORK THE INNOCENTS PROJECT AND FOR LEGALIZING MARIJUANA AND USING THOSE REVENUES FOR ARE HIS STATE.

SHOULD HE HAVE USED THE ECONOMIC RECORD SOONER?

>> I THINK HE NEEDS TO KEEP ON.

HE'S GOT A FEW MORE DAYS.

HE'S GOT THE MONEY TO HAVE TV ADS AND WHEN HE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC RECORD AND DOING THE COMPARATIVE END IN DAYTON, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, LIBERAL SUPPORTERS WELL, THAT'S NOT FAIR.

>> THEY SEEN THE GOP SENATE?

>> WHAT CRANLEY'S DOING RIGHT NOW, SHOULD NAN WAILY WIN, IS HE'S TELLING HER, LOCK, YOU'VE GUT TOADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND IT'S LEGITIMATE TO COMPARE YOUR RECORD WITH THAT OF DAYTON.

I THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP ON EMPHASIZING THAT AND DO WHATEVER ELSE YOU NEED TO DO.

I'M JUST PUZZLEALED WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BLACK VOTE IN NORTHEASTERN OHIO, IN THE TOLEDO AREA.

I KNOW WE HAVE IS PEOPLE ON CRANLEY'S TICKET.

>> AND WAILY'S.

>> NOBODY KNOWS.

>> BAIL HEY HAS ENDORSED IN OHIO.

WOULD THAT HELP IN COLUMBUS?

>> IT WOULD HELP IF JOYCE IS ON TV SAYING HERE'S WHY I'M FOR THAT CANDIDATE.

THE PROBLEM IS NEITHER NAN OR CRANLEY HAS HAD THE MONEY.

THEY'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT ON TV BUT THEY HAVEN'T, COMPARED TO THE ADS.

IN A HALF HOUR PERIOD, YOU MIGHT HAVE 18 COMMERCIALS FOR THE U.S. SENATE RACE BUT VERY LITTLE, MAYBE ONE OR HALF A ONE FOR THE DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

THEY JUST HAVEN'T THAD PRESENCE AND THE MONEY.

>> BUT THEN CRANLEY HAS THIS GLORIA STEINEM ENDORSEMENT TO GO UP AGAINST.

AND IT'S REALLY ANYBODY'S GUESS.

>> IS 50% UNDECIDE ISSED.

THAT'S REALLY A COIN FLIP AT THIS POINT.

>> ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, THE BIG QUESTION IS WILL MIKE DEWINE GET ABOVE 50%?

>> HE FACES A LOT OF REPUBLICAN CRITICISM BUT THREE CHALLENGERS.

THEY'LL LIKELY SPLIT THE ANTIDEWINE VOTE.

I CAN'T SEE HIM LOSING TO ANY OF THE THREE CANDIDATES.

THAT WILL SPLIT?

VOTE.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT J.D.

VANCE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT DEWINE'S AGGRESSIVE STANCE TOWARDS COVID IN THE BEGINNING AND OTHER THINGS HE'S DONE.

WITH THAT ID HE HAS, WITH THE LONG RECORD IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND INCOMP TENSE, I THINK THE OTHER THREE ARE GOING TO SPLIT.

BUT HE MAY NOT GET TO 50%.

>> GOVERNOR HAS STAYED ABOVE THE FRAY.

AND HE'S SORT OF IGNORED THEM.

WILL THAT GET HIM OVER THE 50%, YOU THINK?

>> THE POINT IS THAT'S A SIGN IS OF VULNERABILITY IF THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE A CANDIDATE WHO KNOW HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY REPUBLICANS, THE SMALL BUSINESS SECTOR, IS NOT VERY HAPPY WITH MIKE DEWINE.

THERE'S SOME OF THOSE REMAINING LIBERAL REPUBLICANS WHO ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT SIGNING A RIDICULOUS GUN LAW OR WHATEVER AND HIS CAMPAIGN THIS FAR HAS BEEN NOT TO ANTAGONIZE THE RIGHT WING OF HIS PARTY ANYMORE.

DOES THAT GIVE ANY DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WAIT A SECOND, HE'S NOT EVEN REPRESENTING ALL THE REPUBLICANS.

I THINK THE DEMOCRAT, IN ORDER TO WIN,S TO THE HOPE THAT THE REPUBLICANS SOMEHOW SCREW UP OR WHATEVER.

>> SEE FOLKS STAY HOME.

WILL THEY STAY HOME IF -- IN NOVEMBER IF DEWINE'S THE NOMINEE?

>> THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT, THERE'S A CHANCE THEY MIGHT STAY HOME.

BUT THE MOTIVATION IN THE FALL IS ALL THE ANGER AT THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION AND BIDEN AND THE DEMOCRATS AND A LOT OF THE OTHER ISSUES THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATS HAVE PUSHED.

I THINK THAT WILL BE THE GALVANIZER AND THE TURNOUT FACTOR IN THE FALL AND ALSO WHETHER DEWINE GETS 48 OR 52 OR SGOIVL.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK GIANTS AND HUGE COMPARED TO THE SENATE WINNER GETTING 28 OR 37%.

HIS MARGIN WILL LOOK BIG AND IMPRESSIVE COMPARED TO THE SENATE WIN.

>> MOST FOLKS ARE GOING TO COME OUT BUT NOT VOTE FOR HIM, WE DON'T THINK.

THE STRONG ANTIDEWINE FOLKS ARE AREN'T LIKELY GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM IN NOVEMBER.

>> IF HE'S RUNNING AGAINST MAN WAILY, MAYBE.

I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE WE SEE A THIRD, LIKE AN INDEPENDENT-TYPE CANDIDATE HOP IN HERE AND TRY TO MAKE THIS RACE INTERESTING.

I DOENCHLT KNOW THAT THEY COME OUT FOR THAT RACE.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE ECONOMIC ISSUE THAT WILL FIRE UP REPUBLICANS IF THERE'S A SUPREME COURT RULING THAT EITHER OVERTURNS WADE -- WILL THAT MOBILIZE DEMOCRATS TO VOTE ON THIS ISSUE WHERE, FOR THE PAST FORTY YEARS, IT'S BEEN REPUBLICANS MOTIVATED TO VOTE ON THAT ISSUE?

>> PERHAPS.

BUT IT DEPENDS WHO THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IS.

I CAN IMAGINE CRANLEY MORE THAN WAILY GOING OUT OF HIS WAY NOT TO ANTAGONIZE POTENTIAL DEFECTORS.

HE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE ABORTION THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

HE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY, MISMANAGEMENT, CORRUPTION AND THAT'S ONE OF THE IMPONDERABLES.

WE KNOW THERE'S STILL INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON AND WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WILL THERE BE ANYMORE REVELATIONS BEFORE THE ELECTION?

HE'S SURPRISED ME A LITTLE.

I DIDN'T REALIZE HE WAS THIS IN MANY DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF HIS PARTY.

THE QUESTION BECOMES CAN HE GET 80%?

THE LONGER IT GOES WITH, THE BETTER FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

AND AT THE BEGINNING.

YEAH.

>> IT'S A LOT OF TIME THILL FALL AND ALSO THE MORE TIME THAT PASSES, THE MORE THE COVID THING BECOME AS DISTANT HISTORY AND THERE'S BOUND TO BE OTHER NEW ISSUES THAT POP UP.

HE'S RUNNING IF -- AND HE'S GOT A RUNNING MATE WHO'S FAIRLY WELL KNOWN BY SOME OF THE STRONG RIGHT WINGERS IN SOUTHWESTERN OHIO.

>> I CHECKED HIS FACEBOOK PAGE AND IT'S STILL RON HOOD FOR CONGRESS.

>> THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THERE.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT.

IF RON GETS 7, 8, 9% AND RENESE AND BLIESTONE HATE EACH OTHER.

THERE WERE FACEBOOK POSTS ARE WHERE THEY WERE GOING AT EACH OTHER.

FINANCIAL PROBLEMS AND BLIESTONE HAD WITH BANKRUPTCY.

THEY DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER VERY MUCH EITHER.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT HE SEEMS THE FAVORITE, EVEN THOUGH HE'S ENJOYED VANISH.

THIS WILL BE A TEST OF HIS INFLUENCE ON THIS ELECTION AND ELECTIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.

>> AND WHAT HE CAN SAY IS HE WAS ONCE ENDORSED BY TRUMP BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT RACE IN A DIFFERENT TIME.

AND SO, AND SO CAN TIM.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING YEAR.

IT'S BAFFLEMENT AND IT'S REAL AND ACROSS THE STATE.

I'M TALKING ALL KINDS OF FACTIONS WITHIN THE PARTY THAT ARE LIKE WHAT?

THE GUY WHO HATED YOU AND STOOD FOR EVERYTHING YOU DIDN'T -- THAT YOU WANTED A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO.

BUT VANCE SAYS HE'S CHANGED.

>> TRUMP SAYS EVERYONE'S CHANGED, RIGHT?

>> TRUMP MADE THE POINT THAT IF HE DIDN'T ENDORSE PEOPLE AND LIKE THEM, HE COULDN'T ENDORSE ANYBODY.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

VANCE WAS AS NEGATIVE AS YOU CAN BE.

>> JOHN KASICH.

>> HE STUCK TO HIS GUNS THERE.

>> TUESDAY'S ELECTION WILL BE THE SECOND PRIMARY, WE THINK, WILL HAPPEN IN MAY.

IT WILL NICK PARTY'S CANDIDATE FOR STATE SENATE DISTRICTS.

THE OHIO REDISTRICTING COMMISSIONS SEEMS NOT TOO EXCITED AFTER A FEDERAL COURT TOLD EVERYONE IT WAS GOING TO ACCEPT THE PREVIOUSLY REJECTED MAP.

AND SET UP A MEETING FOR MAY 6th.

AFTER THE PRIMARY.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THE SECOND PRIMARY WITH WOULD BE IN AUGUST AND SO, I THINK EVERYTHING IS A BIT UP IN THE AIR.

THEY HAVE NO INCENTIVE NOW TO CREATE A FIFTH LEGISLATIVE MAP AND SEND IT BACK FOOTHE COURT THTS REJECTED THE OTHER ONE.

THERE'S A FEDERAL COURT THAT SAYS WE'LL USE ONE OF THE PREVIOUSLY INVALIDATED MAPS IF YOU CAN'T WORK IT OUT.

THE DRAGGING OF THEIR FEET SEEMS TO SUGGEST MAYBE THEY'RE NOT TOO CLEAR IN THAT.

>> MOST OF THE BOARD'S ELECTIONS HAVE ALREADY PLUGGED THOSE LINES INTO THE MAPS.

AND THEY'RE ALREADY BETTER PREPARED.

IT PUTS THE TIME FRAME A LOT TIGHTER IN TERMS OF DOING ALL THE PRE-ELECTION MECHANICS AND PART OF THE THING ABOUT OHIO IS WE ALLOW SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF MAIL-IN VOTING, OVERSEAS MILITARY THAT YOU NEED THE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE AUGUST ELECTION.

THE TIME FRAME IS TIGHT.

I THINK THEY'LL GEAHEAD AND NEED STRES TO PEOPLE, YOU GOT TO VOTE IN MAY AND AUGUST.

THEY HAD AN EARLY MAY ELECTION AND IT'S DIFFERENT RACES, DIFFERENT THINGS.

SGLITS >>ILITIES ARE CLEAR THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS HAVE BASICALLY IGNORED THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS IN PASSING THE TWO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS.

AND IT WAS INTERESTING THE FEDERAL COURT, WHICH GAVE THE FEDERAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHAT THEY WANTED, STILL THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS SAID THIS IS AWFUL BUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO?

AND LET ME MAKE A PREDICTION HERE.

IT'S STILL POSSIBLE THEY MAY SAY SORRY, THEY'RE STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND SINCE WORE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PRIMARY IN AUGUST.

>> FOUR MAPS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AT THE STATE LEVEL.

ONE ON THE CONGRESSIONAL ONE.

>> THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ONE BEFORE THAT.

>> I MEN, THE ONE THING THEY CAN DO, I THINK, IS THEY CAN COME UP WITH A MAP.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY DO SOMETHING THAT THE FEDERAL COURT SHOOTS DOWN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IGNORED THEIR POWER.

BUT WARNS WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

>> THEY CALLED OUT THE GUARDS AND THE COMMISSION CAME UP WITH THE SECOND OR THIRD MAP?

>> THAT'S A TANGLED ISSUE.

>> THEY CAN'T DO COURT ORDERS, CAN THEY?

>> THEY'RE AWARE THEY CAN'T SET AN ELECTION DATE.

ONLY FOR THE U.S. CONSTITUTION CAN THE STATE LEGISLATURE DO THAT.

BUT FEDERAL JUDGES DO HAVE MORE POWER TO DO THINGS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

>> AND MORE CLOUT WITH RESPECT TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS THAN THE STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS.

>> YOU THINK IF THEY DREW UP A MAP BEFORE THE FEDERAL COURT'S DEADLINE, THEY'LL SAY WE'LL TAKE THIS ONE AND NOT THE ONE YOU PROVED UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN MARCH?

>> IT'S IN THE COURT DOCKET ALREADY.

THERE HAVE BEEN MAPS PASSED BY EXPERTS.

DECLARED CONSTITUTIONAL.

MAPS PLAINTIFFS SAID THEY WOULD ACCEPTS AND THEY'RE IN THE COURT RECORD.

>> BUT STILL THE FEDERAL JUDGE IS SITTING THERE AND HAVE HAVE THE POWER TO SAY MOST IMPORTANT THING IS HAVING THE ELECTION ANDS THERE CONGRESSIONAL MAPS.

THEY CAN'T BE A 5 OR 10% VARIANT.

>> HOW LONG BEFORE THIS IS BACK AND WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM?

LET'S SEE WHAT THE FINAL RESULT IS ARE ESPECT TO THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT.

IF THERE'S A PARTIAL VICTORY FOR THE REFORMERS, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SAY WE ACHIEVED SOMETHING.

BUT THERE WILL BE GROUPS OUT THERE THAT WILL BE SINCERELY AND INSINCERELY SAY WE FLEED TO GO BACK THE VOTERS.

WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO RAISE MONEY AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD.

>> OF COURSE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN FOUR YEARS BECAUSE NONE WILL HAVE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

OHIO SUPREME COURT CAN JUMP IN CONGRESSIONALLY OR LEGISLATIVELY AND SAY -- ABSOLUTELY.

>> FOR OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

>> IN LINE WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES" BASICALLY SAID UNION DEMOCRATS ARE REALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY SEE THE ISSUES NOT FAVORING THEIR PARTY.

SO, THERE'S REAL PROBLEMS IN THE DEMOCRAT TURNOUT BASE AND THAT THEY LACK THE BRANDING TO REALLY BE EFFECTIVE.

>> I JUST SAID I THINK IT OIGT BOW INTERESTING TO WATCH WHETHER, AFTER THE PRIMARY IN THE GOVERNOR RACE, WHEN AN INDEPENDENT POPS UP AND MAYBE MIXES IT UP.

>> THE AUGUST PRIMARY WILL NOT ONLY BE FOR STATE LEGISLATIVE SEATS BUT U.S. HOUSE SEATS.

>> HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN?

>> IN FACT, IT'S AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL MAP.

THEY WERE REALLY PRESCRIBED FROM DOING AS MUCH ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE.

>> WOULDN'T THAT BE FUN.

THAT IS "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK."

AND YOU CAN WATCH COLUMBUS ON IF YOU'RE ENJOYING A FRIDAY NIGHT, YOU CAN COME IN ON SATURDAY AND CATCH US THEN.

WOSU.ORG/COTR.