Welcome to Brazos Matters I'm Jay Socol.

Okay.

College Station voters I'm mostly talking to you today.

Remember in 2022 when the majority of those who voted approved a list of bond projects that featured some really big ticket items?

Projects like an $80 million fire station number seven, a $16 million widening of Rock Prairie Road East, a $3 million redevelopment of Mabel Claire Thomas Park, and a lot more.

So who's managing those projects?

And dozens more.

Well, we're going to talk about all that with College Station's director of capital projects and facility management, Jennifer Cain.

Jennifer, thank you for being here.

Great.

Thanks for having me.

Of course.

Okay, let's start here.

What actually qualifies as a capital project?

Yeah.

So we have, there's kind of some broad, some broad parameters.

Er, anything that falls under our group is something technically that needs to be design of some sort of engineering architectural type work.

There's not really a set dollar amount.

But anything that falls into that category.

So it may be something as small as or redoing, an Ada sidewalk and have to do some engineering for that ramp to make sure the grades are right.

Or it may be something as large as our wells project, which is our largest capital project right now.

That's close to $70 million drilling new well, so it's anything in between.

We handle staff on behalf of all the departments across the organization, the, so water, wastewater, streets, drainage, parks, facilities, all those types of things.

The only thing that we don't do is the actual electrical infrastructure.

And so that's managed by the electrical group.

So it doesn't have to be, $1 million or more.

No, no, there's it's any kind of anywhere in between.

So.

Okay, well, let's back up a little bit.

I want to know, where are you from?

What was your path to this particular position in College Station, Texas?

Sure.

So from Texas, born and raised in the Dallas area.

Actually went to high school up in northwest Arkansas, up in Fayetteville.

My dad, got transferred up there.

So I was there for a little bit.

Came back here for college, went to A&M, fightin' Texas Aggie class of 2010.

I have a degree in construction science.

That's where I met my husband.

And then we, after college, ended up in the Houston area, and I went to work for a general contractor with Brookstone.

Really great contractor.

Once we got married, my husband got transferred to the Austin area.

And that's actually where I ended up finding a job with the city of New Braunfels.

And that's where I started out.

And kind of my public service side of it, I didn't at the time.

I thought it was just going to kind of be a hold over in between.

Why I found something else.

Turned out that was my passion.

I loved working for city government, loved doing that side of the work.

So that's how I ended up, in the public side.

I was in New Braunfels for almost ten years, and then we came here back to College Station.

How difficult was it for you to transition from private sector to public sector?

You know, it was certainly an adjustment at first because all I had known, kind of what I had learned, at A&M, was more of the commercial construction route, more of the private side.

And that's what I did, and I loved it.

But then getting, to know kind of all of the aspects of the public side, once you get into it, it's it's easy but are not easy.

But you understand it.

But it's a big transition.

Things move slower.

There's different rules and regulations.

The way money is handled is different.

But it really has given me unique perspective coming from having the private side into the public side.

It's really helped me to be able to have, that background from both sides.

Yeah, I imagine that's right.

So I don't want to paint your profession or any profession with a broad brush because every community is different, every city organization and, and, citizen expectations, all that stuff is different from place to place.

But what I'm curious about is what are the characteristics of a Jennifer Cain led capital projects operation that might be different from another city's approach?

Sure.

So, some of the things that are really important to me is making sure that we really are, collaborating, that we're engaging in whoever we're working with, whether it's our clients, like the fire department for building a fire station, we're really engaging them.

We're also really engaging and collaborating with the neighborhoods in the area, talking to all the people, making sure everyone's informed, sharing that information.

And so that that's a big thing to me, that making sure that everyone's on the same page, that we're not operating in a silo doing our own thing, that it is a collaborative effort across the organization and across the community.

And then I think as a team, all of our project managers, that they do all these different projects, they operate individually, right?

They manage their projects, but they also collaborate to and share lessons learned, making sure that we're being fair, that we're treating our contractors the same across the board, that we're trying to standardize things and being as efficient and effective as possible.

Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

It feels like every city's approach would be exactly what you just described, but I'm sure there are flavors of that from place to place.

Sure.

Yeah, I think so.

And, you know, an a big thing that's really important to me.

And then I hope that I'm passing on to my team.

Not only are we, you know, being the best stewards, we can be the taxpayers dollars.

And again, I hope everyone's doing that and all the different organizations and but really being mindful and thoughtful of that and everything that we do is with that mindset.

And then I think something that's maybe really unique and maybe hopefully it's not.

But for us, I know, like for me and for all of the team members and my group, that we really care about the projects we care about, all of the people that we have working for us, all the people we're working with, we want to make sure we have the best outcome for the community, the best outcome for if it's for public works or for the fire department or it's a street, we really do care about the people and we care about the project.

And so I think that's maybe a little bit unique that we take it very personally and take complete ownership of that.

Would you talk a little more about your team?

Who do you have?

How many do you have and what are the roles that they play?

What does that team look like and what they do?

Sure.

So in the capital projects department, we've got 23 positions, and so we've got kind of three different divisions, if you will.

We've got really the capital projects team, which have project manager, six project managers, assistant project manager.

Then we also an assistant director of the group.

We have two land agents who are responsible for, as it kind of sounds, they buy a real estate, they buy easements, they buy right away, they buy property for new fire stations, new parks, whatever that may look like.

And then we also have our facilities management group, so they maintain all the facilities.

And so it's been really nice to have all of that combined.

So as we're building and designing new facilities, we bring in facilities, on the front end to make sure that the plumbing fixtures we pick, the light fixtures that we pick, all the things that they're used to working on.

And so we're making sure that's collaborative and that they're not ending up with something to maintain.

That's really difficult.

Right.

Would you talk a little bit more about the land agents and give me an example of of what they do?

Because I imagine it's not super smooth and super simple every time.

No, no it's not.

They have a really unique job and they're, super important to our organization.

And it's really great again, that we have them in capital because most of their work comes from our capital projects, but sometimes they do work for economic development or for different departments that need something electric needs easements, those types of things.

So on a capital project, for example, a new roadway, we're going to build a new road.

And we realize that we don't have all of the right away we need or all of the utility easements that we need.

So they work with the project managers and the design teams that we've hired, and they review the plans and they identify with the design team.

What easements are right away as needed.

So we identify that and then they help, review, survey work to see exactly what those dimensions are.

They order appraisals to see the value of that they write up, offer letters, reach out to the property owners, have those conversations, say, hey, here's what we're doing, here's what's going to look like, here's what our offer is to you to buy that property.

They're part of those negotiations, and hopefully we have a successful negotiation.

We can settle on something.

They work with our city attorneys, get the contracts in place, all of those types of things.

So they're very involved, all the way through our projects and very, very important.

And, and I imagine the things they work on tend to last at least months, sometimes years.

Right?

Yes.

It can take a really long time.

And so actually, for most projects that certainly have more than one, easement or some sort of acquisition, we budget almost two years of time to do that because some go really smoothly and quickly, and others, as you can imagine, don't for various reasons.

Sometimes we don't agree on things.

Maybe the property owner lives out of state, out of country, so they're difficult to communicate with.

Sometimes attorneys get involved and so it can take you can take a lot longer than you would hope sometimes.

So a few days ago, I went to your website and I was reviewing the active capital projects that you have listed there, and I think there were 65 active capital projects with a total active project budget of nearly $492 million.

And I realized that some of those projects have been completed, but they are under a warranty period.

Yes.

Would you talk about the magnitude of some of these projects?

Because $492 million active project that that sounds like a bunch.

It's a lot.

Yes.

And so and you're right on there, I think on the map with about 60 something projects are a few more that aren't listed on there, because maybe, for example, we're working on a new public works facility, but it doesn't have a site yet, so we can't put it on a map.

So there's a few that aren't on there for various reasons like that.

And so the the dollar value that you see there is what the full project cost would be.

Some of those are still in design, but it's our full budget amount is listed there.

As you mentioned, I think City Hall may have recently fallen off.

There's a few like that that are on there because they were in a warranty period.

And we typically have a one year warranty period for all of our projects.

And our project manager stay engaged with those projects through that one year warranty period until we hand it off to that do.

However the owner is it the Parks Department, streets, whatever that may be.

So we've got projects on there, as we talked about earlier, kind of ranging in all sorts of different cost values, the wells being the highest right now at about $70 million, but everything in between the fire stations, 18 million.

We've had parks for a couple million dollars each.

And so they kind of range across the board all phases of maybe even pre-planning to whenever we're into design and land acquisition, utility relocations, and then construction and then the warranty period.

So we try to list them on there, give information on the website.

Just kind of a snippet about what that project's about and show the location, what kind of project it is, is a water, wastewater, electric, you know, whatever it may be.

We list that on there and then and we have the project managers contact information, which I think is super helpful because that project manager is going to know the absolute most about that project, that people have questions and they're looking on the website.

Just reach out to that project manager.

They will be happy to answer your questions and provide whatever information you're looking for.

So can we talk about specific projects?

Absolutely.

You mentioned the fire station, fire station number seven.

Talk about that, what the timeline is for delivery and and everything.

Yeah.

So Fire Station seven located off Greens Prairie Road.

Again this is one that we had to purchase land for our land agents purchased four acres there.

It's right across from Castlegate, that neighborhood.

It's been under construction now for we started some of the off site utility work about a year ago, I guess, and then now we're under the building construction.

If you drive by, you can see the structure is up there, starting to dry it in.

The roof is on.

We actually the fire department went out there yesterday and took one of their fire trucks out there and sprayed water on it to do a water test on the roof, right?

Yes, because it hasn't been hasn't been raining that much lately.

And so we don't know when it'll rain again.

So we're like, well, we may as well take advantage and and try and do some water testing on the roof.

So we did that.

Come what we're looking at the end of summer, early fall to have that open.

And so the fire is currently hiring staff for that position.

For that station.

And that's another thing too, that I'd like to mention is not only is it the cost to build a new station, we always have to remember to in order to staff it.

That's additional ongoing yearly cost as well.

So that's something that's part of the budget process that we have to make sure that there's funding allocated for that.

Right.

Okay.

So that's fire station number seven.

How about all the work that you are planning to do at Thomas Park?

Yeah.

So that's that's a really neat and unique project.

And you know, if people are familiar with Thomas Park kind of behind the City Hall area over there in that neighborhood, it's a well-loved park, something that I know that my family has left to go over and visit.

And so a part of the bond program, and it's something that's been talked about for years and years.

Lots of public meetings have happened about it.

And so that was the one that we're still in design on.

And so it's moved maybe a little bit slower than some of the other parks projects you've seen because of the extra public engagement that we've gone through to make sure that we're getting it right and making sure that we're meeting the needs of what the community wanted.

So there we're going to be looking at the whole park, making sidewalk improvements, lighting improvements.

There's quite a bit of drainage improvements that are going to be part of that.

Then as far as park amenities, we're going to be adding a restroom, adding a pavilion.

There'll be, a very enhanced, playground area.

And so there will be a lot of unique components there.

Outside of just a standard playground, it's going to have really, unique kind of iconic type things there.

We're going to be having a lot of new types of vegetation in to kind of have more educational opportunities there for native vegetation versus the more manicured things that you see maybe in some of our other parks, there's going to be educational signage, obviously.

Mabel Claire Thomas, she did a lot of writings that there's poetry and different books out there.

Our design team has been looking at that, along with the Parks Department.

We're going to try to incorporate some of those quotes and different things in the sidewalks throughout, and kind of make a nod to her history there and make sure that's kind of got a nice flow, for people to just be able to read and enjoy when they're enjoying the park.

Well, for the years that I was doing communications for College Station, that was an interesting, initiative because there are multi-generational emotions attached to that park.

People grew up there, you know, they grew up there as children.

Their parents lived there.

Maybe their grandparents lived there.

And so and of course, there are people who, you know, there's students around there now.

It's it's evolved in a very different way.

But there are a lot of emotions tied to it and what people want it to either remain or be restored to all those sorts of things.

So I imagine you're getting in.

Your project manager is getting all kinds of interesting feedback, right?

Yes.

Yeah, we've gotten a lot.

And so one thing that we did, you know, we took all the information that had been gathered from years previously, had all of that, gave it to the design team.

And then we went back to the community with these idea boards, if you will, and we'll give people dots in a public meeting setting and said, like, hey, are these the kind of things that you wanted to see and how to validate that information?

To give an example, images, we also put a survey out there as well to make sure.

And so we ended up getting really good feedback from that, and then went back again after that and said, okay, here's what we heard.

Here's what the master plan looks like, here's what we're planning to do.

And again, got really good feedback, validating that, hey, we did.

We are getting it right.

And so we've tried to do those double checks throughout the process to make sure that we're not missing something because it is so well-loved.

It is so important.

We don't want to do something that isn't what what the community wanted.

Right?

Right.

I'm going to get two more projects to throw at you in just a moment.

I want to reintroduce you if you're just tuning in, I'm Jay Socol, and our guest today is Jennifer Cain, director of Capital projects and facilities management for the City of College Station.

And we're talking about the many large scale big dollar projects being executed under her guidance.

And the guidance of her team.

Okay.

Another project that I think is a great entrance to conversation citizens and really, tons of people in ag land, Texas Independence Park and the amenities there.

Yeah.

So that's a really exciting project.

You know, as you remember, it was going to be baseball fields a while back.

Some things have shifted there.

Just a park located off of Rock Prairie Road.

And it's about the front portion of it that we originally were planning on was about 60, 60 plus acres.

We actually ended up also including the back 60 plus acres.

So now we have about 120 acres that we're working with.

So all the way from Rock Prairie to Midtown Drive that whole section through there, there's going to be, sidewalk connections and to the Lick Creek Park Trail, which will be really nice, and into the neighboring neighboring neighborhood.

There also be a new shared use path going in with the Rock Prairie.

Expansions will have a good network of sidewalks throughout that will kind of tie in around for people who want longer runs, walks, bikes.

And so you'll the main entrance will be off of, Rock Prairie Road.

And the plan is, is, the master plan that we've shown council on the way we're designing it is there's going to be a large bike hub.

That's part of it.

And so when I say bike hub, something unique that we really don't have or we don't have anywhere in College Station or maybe really very often in Texas, you see them sometimes in more hilly or areas up in like, northwest Arkansas, those types of things.

This will be an elevated, kind of circular hub, if you will.

And so you can ride your bike up it.

And I'm talking like 30, 40ft high, pretty significant.

And there's opportunities and different ramps and different jumps, if you will, for bikes to be able to jump off of.

And they'll be signed and marked appropriately, like you'd see for skiing, where they'd be like a green path or blue path or black path.

And so they'll have all of that as bike club and different, trails and things tied off of it.

There's also going to be, opportunities for skills ramps, like balance beams, if you will, for different bike type skills elements for people to get off the path and do some different skills, things we're looking at doing, a pump track or Strider track or, you know, where you, you see kids that have the bikes with no pedals.

And so you can I just going to ride through it if you kind of hit the, the bumps accordingly, you kind of go through it without being without having to pedal.

We're also having an exit trail.

So dirt bike trails through the back half of the park.

That'll be kind of connected.

So we'll have a lot of different biking amenities there for people of all ages, all skill.

That's a really neat, component of this park that we don't have anywhere here in College Station.

And then we're looking at doing some really unique playground elements there.

And so we're, we're talking about it like an iconic, destination playground.

And so you'll see thing like, again, not like your normal playgrounds that you see all over town, but it'll also have the same kind of climbing aspects and slides.

But they'll be one of them is going to be a large armadillo.

One of them was going to be a mockingbird.

Bluebonnets, those types of things that kind of tie back to Texas and Texas independence.

But really neat, iconic structures that'll be a draw for people to come in and things again, you just don't see anywhere else.

There'll be a fishing pond we're looking at do an 18 hole disc golf course.

So we have disc golf in the city, but not 18 hole course.

There will be pavilions, there will be just pass and stuff for people to walk and run on, picnic tables, those types of things.

So it'll be a park for lots of people to do, lots of different things.

And so we're hopeful that it'll be a really exciting amenity for the community.

Okay, I have to go back to the bicycle because I'm picturing like basically a vertical skate park for bicycles.

Yeah.

Is because we do have a skate park.

We have the G. Smith skate park over off Rock Prairie.

And I know that was designed in part to, for, for like, tournaments and spectators and things like that is what you are designing and installing at Texas Independence Park.

Going to invite those kinds of tournaments and spectator events and so forth.

I think potentially it could certainly because it's something we don't have.

And I know particularly in the back portion, we're talking about the dirt trails and stuff.

We've been talking and collaborating with some of the, the dirt bike teams, like through the schools and all of that here in town.

And they said that it would be a great amenity to have because they just don't have those type of trails, especially with it tying into Lick Creek, trail as well.

Then there's an opportunity there for additional links.

So I, I yes, I think there certainly is that opportunity.

Was there another city or city facility that was the inspiration for this?

You know, so we not not in particular one in particular, but there has been a lot of research done around some of the parks up in Northwest Arkansas.

We have a specific, design team related that that's been working on it and sending us examples or videos of different opportunities and different elements that are other places.

So we've really been looking at that and seeing what we could do.

That's that's been, well, use somewhere else, but also something that's unique for us here.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'll get off the bicycles, but that's fascinating to me.

Yeah.

You mentioned at the beginning of the show about water wells.

I think there are three more water wells in in the collection line to go with those wells.

Talk about that.

Because that that's a huge, dollar project and probably logistics as well.

Yeah.

So it it's a it's a huge project because you mentioned that, dollar wise, but also to the impact to the community.

Right.

More, more water is always important and something that's needed, which is why we're doing it.

We have permits out there for three new wells.

So that's what we're drilling current are.

Well, we're getting ready to drill right now.

They've been in design for, I guess, a year, year and a half plus.

And we already have a contractor on board.

We're using a particular, alternative delivery method.

So we had the contractor on during designed to help with that.

And we've done some early release packages because in this one we had to acquire some access to get to, to one of the wells that was kind of bordered on one side by the railroad, on one side by the little process.

We had to get an access road into it.

And the we're building, the pads to actually drill the wells on and having to get the bring the power out there, working with BTU, working with our electric, CSU as well to do some of the work out there because our wellfield is out, kind of on the north side of Bryan.

So it's not in College Station, so it's a waste.

Sandy Point Road area.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's always out there.

And so we've been working on that for a while.

We actually, just received bids back in yesterday, I think for the the biggest portion of the package was actually drilling these wells.

And so we're waiting to get those final numbers in to see see where we are.

That'll go to council in March.

And that's the biggest part of the package.

But we think we'll be around close to $70 million for the work.

And, our permit stipulate we have to be done in 2028, and we think we'll be done well ahead of that.

But we're really working, as quickly as we can to get it done.

To meet our permit timelines.

Yeah.

Okay.

How about I know you guys have to be doing at least one, probably multiple projects in conjunction with TxDot for all the the kinds of projects they have.

How are you working with TxDot?

Yeah.

So we work really closely with TxDot that we have monthly coordination calls, just general calls.

And then we also have project specific calls and check ins with them at the highway six.

The big six project is probably one of the biggest ones right now that we've been coordinating on and so on, that obviously they're doing all the roadway work, but we have utilities out there.

We've got utilities in the way as the city of Bryan, as does Atmos, as did all these other people.

But we have a particular project on the water and wastewater side that we're managing to relocate.

Millions of dollars worth of work to relocate and get out of the way, and really tight timelines too, because they've obviously already started work.

And so we're working as quickly as possible and have been coordinating with them for a couple of years now.

As I go through design, to, to make sure that we're out of the way.

And so there's really particular issues that keep popping up, right?

As you can imagine, everything's not exactly what everyone thought it was.

And so as we go out there and are working, right, we're finding something.

So we're coordinating with them and making adjustments.

They're making adjustments.

And so it's it's a good collaborative effort, but it certainly is a big expense for us as a city that we have to undertake as part of their bigger project.

Sure.

And I know with dozens of projects in your portfolio right now, you're typically asked about the same ones over and over, like I just did Fire Station seven and and so for Texas Independence Park.

But is there a project that you wish people would ask you about because you're you're energized in some way about it or there's just something special, you know, one of the ones I love to talk about, hex, Independence Park, what you did ask about, because I think that's a really awesome, unique project.

But I think there's some that people just don't realize that we, that we're doing, because they are a lot of utility projects.

Right?

There's a lot of utility work that we do.

We did some the people that are directly impacted know about it, but no one else has, like the McCullough work over in that neighborhood off like, near the Lincoln Center of that area.

We just did water and wastewater rehab work, really important projects.

Those utility lines were very old.

They were in bad locations, so we relocated them and upgraded them.

A big impact to those people.

It really helps our utility as well.

And so I think it's important for people to recognize that we're working on millions of dollars worth of projects that people never even see.

Some of it's underground, you know, we come and go and then it's just it's just there.

It's it's important to note that those things are happening to you for the betterment of the community, even though it may not be as flashy as some of the other things.

Well, in the neighborhood, which I think is one of the oldest in College Station, I can't imagine some of the things that you encounter as you dig down, because like, you just there's stuff you don't know, right?

Yes.

What are some of those challenges like?

Yeah.

So I mean, sometimes the pipe material is different than you expect.

You know, sometimes you think it's, you know, it's iron, you know, it's cast iron or something.

It turns out to be clay, or sometimes you think it's five foot down and it's really just five inches down.

You know, there's those types of things that, you know, nowadays there's different standards and specifications or requirements.

It wouldn't be allowed, you know, and sometimes we run into other utilities that are there that nobody has on their plan.

So you know, you call to get locates done.

But if they don't sign in somebody's playing somewhere, then nobody knows or there.

So we find, rogue utilities, if you will.

Sometimes it's unknown.

You don't.

No one can figure out who they are.

I don't know if it's abandoned.

If it's electrical line, it's fiber.

And so sometimes it can be a little, tricky to try and address it and get it moved out of the way.

Other times with utilities specifically, there's different service lines coming in like some, there's a duplex, let's say.

And so sometimes you have two service lines going into that duplex, one on each side.

Well, sometimes it's not that way like it should be.

And it kind of goes in in a V in your a y and you don't really know where it is.

And so you've got to be really careful.

And we try to communicate the best we can with those property owners.

Because sometimes we disrupt service and we don't mean to.

We have to notify them right away just because things aren't exactly as we had hoped they would be.

Yeah.

So that's that's tricky.

But it's really just being upfront with people and communicating the best you can.

So you you've been in the private sector, you've been in the public sector.

You've you've been responsible for different things.

Now you run capital projects for College Station.

Where's the sweet spot naturally for you, like if you were going to go perform a specific role within your team, where is your comfort?

So I loved being a project manager.

I really did, what's really unique and special about that is you get to know all the details that project you own it from start to finish.

You know, all the people you know.

You know, I worked on a city hall project in New Braunfels.

I mean, I could tell you everything about it.

You walk in, I know what the floor is going to look like, who's office that's going to be.

And that's really neat and special to me.

I was really good at that.

I enjoyed that, and that's been an adjustment for me.

I love my job now.

I have a wonderful team and my role just looks different and it's what's what I wanted and that's what I've worked for.

But it was an adjustment at first to be like, it's okay that I don't know all the details and all the things that project manager does.

You know, I'm in a different position now looking at different things from a different perspective, but I did.

I loved being a project manager, kind of knowing all the things and owning that project.

And you told me that you and your husband were both construction engineering, construction science science.

Yes.

How how awful is it for a contractor, a subcontractor to come to your house to do work.

And you've got, the Kane family who probably knows as much or more than then the people who brought in.

I wouldn't say that.

They probably love it.

We are pretty picky and pretty.

I would say that we're fair, certainly, but we we certainly know enough to be dangerous and enough to to stay on them and make sure it's done right.

So I don't know that it would be anyone's first choice if they knew.

I think that's probably right.

Okay.

So with the last minute or so that we have here, is there something else that you want people to know about your department, your crew, a specific project?

Just something that we haven't covered.

Yeah.

I mean, I would just, you know, love to brag on my team.

I think that they're they're a great team and they come with lots of different backgrounds and professional engineers, some from their construction backgrounds and from the school district is different things.

And I think it's just so valuable to have such a great team there that can come in and bring all these different backgrounds, share that information and all just work with the same mindset of doing what's best for the organization, doing its best for the community.

And I just, I just can't brag on them enough.

And I just, I think it's so important that we get to do what we do, and I think we work for a great organization that supports us.

And I just hope that we get to keep keep doing it.

More and more projects.

And for anybody who wants to do what I did and go review conversations, capital improvement projects.

You can visit cstx.gov/cip, which stands for Capital Improvement Projects.

And then if you want to do a deep dive on the city's budget, which I highly recommend, whether it's for capital projects or any other aspect of your city government, visit ksp.gov/budget because there's some pretty interesting stuff there.

Yeah there is.

And I would, you know, encourage you if you see you know my name my information's on there.

The project managers.

If anybody has questions we would love to answer those questions or just reach out and we'll be happy to help.

Perfect.

Jennifer Kane, thanks so much for being here.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

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