>> IT IS MONDAY.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS STILL OPERATING.

THAT IS BECAUSE OF AN 11th HOUR DELL TO AVERT A SHUT DOWN FOR NOW.

NOW THE TALK TURNS TO POLITICS AND INTERPARTY BICKERING AS A HARD RIGHT MEMBER OF CONGRESS THREATENS TO REMOVE KEVIN McCARTHY FROM HIS JOB.

JOINING US NOW IS FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JOE WALSH.

NO STRANGER TO TROUBLEMAKING AND RABBLE ROUSING IN CONGRESS.

GREAT TO SEE YOU, AS ALWAYS.

LET'S TURN TO THE SPARRING PARTNERS IN WASHINGTON AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.

>> IT IS EASY TO BE A CONSERVATIVE WHO WANTS TO DO NOTHING, BUT I BELIEVE AMERICA ONCE DEFINED A CONSERVATIVE THAT CAN MAKE GOVERNMENT WORK EFFICIENTLY, EFFICIENTLY AND BE ACCOUNTABLE.

>> IT IS BECOMING CLEAR TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ALREADY WORKS FOR AND IT IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE.

>> WE WE NEED TO REMIND THE VIEWERS THE SPEAKER AGREED TO THESE RULES WHERE ONLY ONE PERSON COULD FILE A MOTION TO VACATE IF THEY WANTED TO AND THAT ONE PERSON SEEMS TO BE MATT GATES RIGHT NOW.

SO IS McCARTHY'S JOB IN JEOPARDY TO MAC >> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

KEVIN McCARTHY, THE SPEAKER IS VERY VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT MATT GATES IS SOMEONE WHO REALLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY FRIENDS.

NOBODY IN CONGRESS LIKES HIM.

SO McCARTHY IS BENEFITING FROM THAT.

HE IS A NUMBER OF HARD-LINERS IN THE HOUSE TODAY WHO CAME OUT AND SAID NOW IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO GET RID OF McCARTHY.

I HAVE BEEN VERY PUBLIC AND THAT THE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE IS RUN BY MAGDA.

IT IS ANIMATED BY MOST OF McCARTHY'S CONFERENCE.

IT IS THE HARD-LINERS, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT ABOUT, THEY WOULD RATHER GO AFTER HUNTER BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN AND ALL THE REST, NOT MESS AROUND WITH SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.

MATT GAETZ IS ON HIS OWN.

>> YOU THINK THESE HARD-LINERS THAT HAVE AGREED WITH HIM AND THESE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST HARD-CORE SUPPORTERS WILL KIND OF LET HIM TWIST ON THE VINE AND LET HIM GO ON TV AND THEN KIND OF LET IT FIZZLE OUT?

>> YEAH.

ALL RIGHT, THEY DON'T THINK THIS HELPS THEM POLITICALLY.

MOST OF MY FORMER COLLEAGUES IN THAT CONFERENCE, THEY ARE JUMPERS.

DONALD TRUMP RUNS THAT CONFERENCE, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT ABOUT, SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY RIGHTLY BELIEVE THAT HURTS THE REPUBLICANS.

AGAIN, THE BOGUS BIDEN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, ALL OF THAT, INVESTIGATING ERIC GARLAND, THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF THEY WANT TO DO.

>> THEY HAD A HICCUP WITH THAT BIDEN IMPEACHMENT STUFF BECAUSE THEY HELD A HEARING AND FOLKS CAME AND TESTIFIED THAT THEY HAND-PICKED SAYING IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THERE IS REALLY ANY EVIDENCE THAT PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN BENEFITED IN ANY WAY FROM WHATEVER HIS SON WAS DOING INVOLVING FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.

>> AS BESIDE IT IS A BOGUS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

REPUBLICANS PROMISED US TO YEARS AGO THAT IF THEY WERE GIVEN CONTROL OF CONGRESS THEY WOULD INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE, INVESTIGATE.

IT WAS GOING TO BE TO YEARS OF RETRIBUTION FOR HOW THEY BELIEVED DONALD TRUMP WAS TREATED.

THEY STILL WANT THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEIR BASE ONES.

EVEN IF THERE IS NO BASIS TO IT LIKE THIS BOGUS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.

>> SPEAKING OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WITH LEGAL PROBLEMS, TODAY TRUMP IS IN NEW YORK ACCUSED OF FRAUD INVOLVING HIS BUSINESSES THERE AND THEN COMES FOR A CRIMINAL TRIAL.

THE HUSH MONEY CASE, JANUARY 6th AND THE GEORGIA ELECTION CASE, YOU INTERFACE WITH SOME SUPPORTERS ALL THE TIME COME HE MADE THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU WERE SPEAKING TO THEM AS A RADIO HOST.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE CASES, WHAT DO THEY SAY TO YOU?

>> IT IS ALL CALLED FOR DONALD TRUMP.

ALL OF HIS CRIMINAL TROUBLES AND TRIALS ONLY STRENGTHEN HIS SUPPORT WITHIN THE PARTY.

I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT.

TO AND HALF YEARS AGO HE FILED AN ATTEMPT TO OVERTHROW THE AUCTION AND THEY STUCK WITH HIM.

I FIRMLY BELIEVE, TRUMP VOTERS DO THAT THIS THING CALLED THE DEEP STATE IS AFTER HIM.

SO THIS IS A BADGE OF HONOR FOR HIM, WHAT HE IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

HE IS GOING TO BE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NOMINEE.

THAT WAS NEVER IN DOUBT.

>> I KNOW ON YOUR PODCAST YOU ARE TRYING TO MEDIATE SOME OF THESE ARGUMENTS, TRYING TO REACH ACROSS THE DIVIDE HERE TO SORT OF TALK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE SOME OF THE HARD-CORE TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES YOU HAVE WHERE YOU GOT THROUGH TO SOMEONE THAT WAS RIGHT OR DIE FOR TRUMP AND THEY STARTED SEEING THINGS PERHAPS THE WAY YOU SEE THEM?

>> YES, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU TENS OF THOUSANDS EVERY WEEK, BUT NO.

MAYBE ONE OR TWO EVERY WEEK.

I COME FROM THE RIGHT AND MOST PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT THINK I AM A TRAITOR BECAUSE I TURNED ON TRUMP.

THIS IS TRUMP'S PARTY RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, BUT I FIND THAT WHEN YOU PUT LITTLE NUGGETS OF TRUTH THE TRUTH IN FRONT OF TRUMP SUPPORTERS, EVERY NOW AND THEN THE LIGHTBULB GOES OFF AND THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.

>> DOES THAT MEAN THAT SOME OF THESE PRIMARY CANDIDATES LIKE CHRIS CHRISTIE WHO ARE THE LOUDEST AND SORT OF CRITICIZING HIM MIGHT GAIN SOME KIND OF TRACTION AT SOME POINT?

>> NOT AT ALL.

AGAIN, I HOPELESSLY RAN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020.

THERE IS NO ANTI-TRUMP LANE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I HAVE GOT TO WATCH MY LANGUAGE BECAUSE I RESPECT YOU IN THIS STATION.

REPUBLICAN VOTERS WANT A JERK TO BE THEIR NOMINEE.

THEY WANT A GUY LIKE TRUMP.

THEY WANT AN AUTHORITARIAN AND IF IT IS NOT TRUMP, THEY WANT SOMEBODY JUST LIKE TRUMP, BUT IF YOU ARE A CHUMP CRITIC LIKE ME, LOOK AT MY FRIEND ADAM KINSINGER.

YOU HAVE NO FUTURE IN THIS PARTY.

>> NO DOUBT.

HE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED, ALTHOUGH ILLINOIS DEMOCRATS HAD A PART OF THAT WHEN THEY GERRYMANDERED HIS