ANNOUNCER: TONIGHT ON SHOWCASE WITH BARBARA KELLAR, COMMUNITY LEADERS AND HEALTH ADVOCATES JOHN AND SUSAN TEW.

STAY TUNED.

SHOWCASE STARTS RIGHT NOW.

[MUSIC] KELLAR: HI, I'M BARBARA KELLAR.

WELCOME TO SHOWCASE.

I HAVE TODAY TWO OF THE MOST FABULOUS PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET, CINCINNATIANS.

WE'RE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THEM.

THEY'RE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A POWER COUPLE OR A HEALTH COUPLE OR A FRIEND IN NEED COUPLE.

THEY'RE EVERYTHING YOU COULD IMAGINE.

SUSAN AND JOHN TEW, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR LIVES AND WHAT THEY DO FOR PEOPLE, EVEN NOW.

JOHN WAS, YOU KNOW, THE OLD THING WHERE YOU SAY, "WELL, HE'S NOT VERY BRIGHT.

HE'S NO BRAIN SURGEON."

WELL, JOHN TEW IS A BRAIN SURGEON, ONE OF THE BEST, VERY FAMOUS.

AND IN HIS RETIREMENT, SHOULD WE CALL THIS YOUR RETIREMENT?

SUSAN TEW: REWIRE.

JOHN TEW: REWIRE, BARBARA.

KELLAR: REWIRE, OKAY.

I NEED TO GET THE VOCABULARY.

JOHN TEW: I FAILED RETIREMENT SEVERAL TIMES.

KELLAR: OKAY.

AND SUSAN, WHO IS JUST AN INCREDIBLE PERSON.

SHE DOES -- THEY DO A TANDEM THING NOW AND WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SO WHO WANTS TO START?

SUSAN, TELL US WHAT YOU'RE UP TO.

SUSAN TEW: WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU HOW I GOT STARTED MAYBE.

SO WE WERE JUST CHATTING BEFORE WE WERE ON, AND WE BOTH JUST LEARNED THAT WE WERE BOTH ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHERS.

YOU THE FOURTH GRADE -- I'M THE FOURTH GRADE.

YOU WERE THE THIRD GRADE.

SO I TAUGHT VERY EARLY ON IN OUR MARRIED LIFE.

AND THEN WHEN WE HAD A FAMILY, I HAD THE LUXURY OF TIME TO DEVOTE TO BEING A WIFE AND A MOTHER.

BEING HIS WIFE IS A JOB AND A HALF.

KELLAR: YES.

SUSAN TEW: AND BEING A MOTHER WAS A DELIGHT WITH OUR CHILDREN WERE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, WITHIN FOUR YEARS WE HAD THREE CHILDREN.

AND SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME USING MY EDUCATION BACKGROUND, TEACHING AND WITH THEM.

SO I COACHED THEIR ATHLETIC TEAMS, AND I DID THINGS THAT I WAS NOT AT ALL QUALIFIED FOR, BUT THERE WERE NO OTHER PEOPLE.

SO AS I GREW OLDER AND CONTINUED TO BE INVOLVED IN MY CHURCH AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, I VOLUNTEERED FOR A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS IN CINCINNATI, AS WE ALL DID FROM THE FINE ARTS, PERFORMING ARTS, TO MY FAVORITE ONE IS THIS CICSE, THE CATHOLIC INNER CITY SCHOOLS EDUCATION.

AND IT'S BEEN MY LIFELONG WORK AS AN ADULT REWRITING THE EDUCATION FOR INNER CITY CHILDREN.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SUSAN TEW: SO THAT'S THAT'S BEEN MY WORK WORK AS THE CHILDREN WENT OFF TO SCHOOL AND I HAD ALL MY TIME TO MYSELF.

AND THEN MY INNER WORK IS HOW I WOULD DESCRIBE WHERE I'VE REALLY FOUND MY LIFE.

AND THAT BEGAN WITH A STUDY AT THE ATHENEUM OF OHIO, CINCINNATI, WITH A COURSE IN LISTENING.

KELLAR: OH, OH, MY FAVORITE SUBJECT.

LISTENING.

SUSAN TEW: EXACTLY.

KELLAR: WE CAN'T FIND ANY LISTENERS ANYMORE.

SUSAN TEW: EXACTLY.

KELLAR: OH, MY GOODNESS.

GO AHEAD.

SUSAN TEW: IT WAS TRANSFORMING FOR ME.

I THOUGHT I WAS A LISTENER.

AND I DISCOVERED I WAS NOT A LISTENER, I WAS NOT.

I WAS -- I LIKED TO -- I'M AN EXTROVERT, SO I LIKED GROUPS AND I LIKE TO TALK.

HE LIKES TO TALK MORE THAN I DO, BUT -- AND SO I'VE LEARNED TO LISTEN MORE.

AND THEN BESIDES LISTENING IN JUST OUR OWN CONVERSATIONS, THE BEST JOURNEY HAS BEEN THE INNER JOURNEY FOR ME, THE INNER LISTENING.

SO IT'S WHERE I HAVE REALLY SPENT MY TIME AND IT'S BEEN -- IT'S EVOLVED INTO MEDITATION, A LOT OF PRACTICES IN THE OSHER PROGRAM FOR MEDITATION.

I LEAD A PRAYER GROUP CALLED THE EMMAUS PRAYER WOMEN.

AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME NOW IN THE -- I SAY MOSTLY IN LIVING.

I'VE LEARNED HOW TO LIVE.

BUT IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, I'D SAY IN THE ART OF DYING.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SUSAN TEW: AND SO IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE FOR ME.

WE ENCOUNTER A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THAT END OF THE -- AT THAT STAGE OF THEIR LIFE.

AND SO IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE FOR US TO BE TOGETHER WITH THEM, AND AS WE WERE WITH YOU AND LARRY.

KELLAR: YEAH, THAT YOU ARE PHENOMENAL, PHENOMENAL FRIENDS AND COMFORTING TO KNOW THAT SOMEONE REALLY UNDERSTANDS AND IS WITH YOU ALL THE WAY IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

NO ONE IS BETTER AT THAT THAN YOU TWO.

SUSAN TEW: WELL, THANK YOU, BARBARA.

KELLAR: REALLY.

BOTH OF YOU ARE JUST AN AMAZING, I DON'T WANT TO SAY CRUTCH, BUT AN AMAZING THING TO LEAN ON.

COMPANION TO LEAN ON.

YEAH, RIGHT.

I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT YOUR LISTENING THING.

PEOPLE ASK ME SO OFTEN, HOW DO I DO THIS?

AND I TELL THEM, THERE'S ONLY ONE THING YOU NEED TO DO AND THAT'S TO LISTEN.

SUSAN TEW: YEAH.

KELLAR: YOU LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THEM NEXT.

BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS.

YOU KNOW WHAT'S UP.

WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER, THAT'S SOMETHING I TAUGHT MY KIDS.

YOU MUST LEARN TO LISTEN WHEN THERE WOULD BE A SPEAKER AND KIDS WOULD ALL BE RAISING THEIR HANDS WHILE THE PERSON'S TALKING.

AND I TOLD THEM, IF THERE'S A SPEAKER, YOU DON'T RAISE YOUR HAND BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF AND YOU'RE NOT LEARNING ANYTHING.

TO LEARN IS TO LISTEN.

AND I JUST -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE LOST THE ART OF LISTENING OR WHAT, BUT.

SO, A FRIEND WHO LISTENS IS A REAL TREASURE.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD GO BACK TO SOMEHOW TEACHING PEOPLE, AS YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT ART.

WELL, NOW WE'RE OVER TO THE FAMOUS BRAIN SURGEON WHO DIDN'T RETIRE.

SO TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW.

JOHN TEW: WELL, THROUGHOUT MY CAREER, I TRIED TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE AND NOT JUST BE A TECHNICIAN, YOU KNOW, A SURGEON.

AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BRAIN TUMORS AND ANEURYSMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE IN A GREAT STATE OF SHOCK.

IT'S A HUGE CRISIS TO BE TOLD THAT YOU HAVE A BRAIN TUMOR.

AND FOR MANY PEOPLE IT SEEMS LIKE A DEATH SENTENCE.

SO YOU HAVE TO START BY KIND OF PUTTING YOURSELF INTO THEIR PLACE AND HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT MANY TIMES IT'S NOT.

IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT IT AND TO STUDY TOGETHER, IF YOU WILL, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

SO I SPENT 50 PLUS YEARS IN THAT FIELD, YOU KNOW, BEING IN A VERY, VERY CRISIS ORIENTED FIELD OF KIND OF LIFE AND DEATH.

AND IT'S VERY MUCH OF A STRESSFUL SITUATION, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

JOHN TEW: AND I DIDN'T TAKE MY PHONE NUMBER OUT OF THE BOOK, AND I TRIED TO BE AVAILABLE.

KELLAR: YOU MADE YOURSELF AVAILABLE.

JOHN TEW: AND IT DID CREATE SOME STRESS IN MY LIFE AND IT'S SOMETHING SUSAN HAS POINTED OUT IT, SHE SPENT MOST OF HER CAREER TAKING CARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND ME.

AND I WAS A FULL TIME JOB MOST OF THE TIME.

BUT ONCE I WAS ABLE TO RETIRE FROM NEUROSURGERY AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT AT UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI, AND I TOOK ON A JOB MORE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE FIELD OF STARTING THE NEUROSCIENCE INSTITUTE, WHICH WAS A GREAT, GREAT THING.

KELLAR: AND THAT NEW BUILDING.

JOHN TEW: YEAH.

WONDERFUL BUILDING.

THANKS SO MUCH TO THE GARDNER FAMILY AND A LOT OF THEIR FRIENDS.

YOU KNOW, CINCINNATI IS ONE OF THE MOST GENEROUS PLACES IN THE WORLD, AND MUCH OF IT GOES UNREPORTED AND UNBOOSTED, IF YOU WILL.

WE'RE JUST SO BLESSED HERE TO HAVE SO MANY GENEROUS, GRATEFUL PEOPLE FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED IN THEIR LIFE.

AND THEIR GARDNER'S WERE AND SO MANY OF THEIR FRIENDS HELPED US TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

SO WHEN I RETIRED FROM THAT JOB, I LOOKED AROUND AND FOLLOWING ONE OF MY SOURCES OF JOY, NAMELY TO HANG OUT WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, I FOUND DR. SIAN COTTON, AND SHE HAD THIS DREAM OF BUILDING A CENTER FOR INTEGRATIVE HEALTH AND WELLNESS.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IN OUR MEDICINE SYSTEM TODAY OR OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM, WE ARE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF DISEASE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD DONE MY WHOLE CAREER.

WAITED IN MY OFFICE UNTIL SOMEBODY CAME WITH A SERIOUS HEALTH CARE PROBLEM, USUALLY REALLY A DESPERATE SITUATION: BRAIN TUMOR, ANEURYSM, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE HORRIBLE.

FACIAL PAIN OR BODY PAIN OR SOMETHING THAT REALLY WAS AT RISK FOR CHANGING THEIR LIFE OR THREATENING THEIR LIFE.

SO IT WAS SUCH A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO START WORKING WITH SOMEBODY WHO WAS FOCUSING ON PREVENTION OR THEIR VISION OF TRANSFORMING MEDICAL CARE FROM DISEASE CARE TO WELLNESS CARE, OR PREVENTION, IF YOU WILL.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK OR HAVE DISEASES.

THAT'S A MAJOR PART OF IT.

YOU KNOW, LIKE PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE OR COMPLEMENTARY TYPE OF CARE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CANCER OR HEART DISEASE OR MENTAL DISEASES, WE ARE DOING THAT IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS, LIKE ACUPUNCTURE, MINDFULNESS, MEDITATION, YOGA, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT ARE SO ESSENTIAL.

BUT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON TRYING TO REDUCE THE MAJOR CAUSES OF DISEASE: HEART DISEASE, CANCER, METABOLIC DISEASES, MENTAL DISEASES AND FRAILTY.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US.

YOU LOSE 1% OF YOUR BODY MUSCLE EVERY YEAR UNTIL YOU GET SICK -- KELLAR: EVERY DAY IN SOME CASES.

JOHN TEW: THEN THEN IT BECOMES 2% PER YEAR.

SO WE MUST WORK REALLY HARD TO PREVENT THAT, OTHERWISE WE SUFFER THE RISK OF FALLING.

AND THAT'S THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF DESPERATE SITUATIONS IN PEOPLE OUR AGE.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

JOHN TEW: FALLING, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET UP OR HAVING -- KELLAR: I'VE BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.

JOHN TEW: BRAIN INJURY, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT AND HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN BE.

SO THOSE ARE REALLY THE THINGS THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON.

BUT THE SPIN OUT OF THAT IS THAT ABOUT 90% OF OUR HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE SPENT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS OF OUR LIVES.

YOU KNOW THAT?

AND THAT'S DEALING WITH THE GAP BETWEEN YOUR LIFE EXPECTANCY AND YOUR HEALTH EXPECTANCY.

SO THE PROBLEM IS, IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY, WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT THE LAST TEN YEARS OF OUR LIFE IN BAD HEALTH, NOT ENJOYING IT AND SPENDING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COULD GO TO PREVENTION.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

JOHN TEW: SO THAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON HERE.

IT'S SO EXCITING.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M DOING?

I'M A HEALTH COACH AND IT'S GIVING ME SO MUCH JOY, BARBARA, TO BE ABLE TO BE FREE, TO BE HAVE THE TIME TO HELP OUR FRIENDS AND TO WORK WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE 70 OR 80 YEARS OF AGE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE HABITS.

IT'S A LOT EASIER TO START DOWN IN THE EARLIER YEARS.

KELLAR: BUT IT'S TOO LATE FOR US TO START EARLY.

SUSAN TEW: NO, NO.

JOHN TEW: TO START EARLY.

SUSAN TEW: NOT TO START.

JOHN TEW: BUT IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO START.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

JOHN TEW: WITH EXERCISE OR NUTRITIONAL CHANGES OR MEDITATION, OR EVEN BUILDING A RELATIONSHIP.

I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES PEOPLE MOST HAPPY.

YOU TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

IT'S HAVING STRONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER MEANINGFUL PEOPLE.

KELLAR: RIGHT.

JOHN TEW: AND THAT'S WHAT SUSAN HAS TAUGHT ME SO MUCH, HOW TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS.

THAT HAS COME, ADDED A GREAT SENSE OF JOY, CREATED A GREAT SENSE OF JOY FOR BOTH OF US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A PLACE LIKE CINCINNATI, WHERE WE CAN GET TO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HAVE A MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM.

KELLAR: WELL, PEOPLE WHO KNOW YOU, I MEAN, YOU'RE THE GO TO PERSON.

YOU'RE THE SECOND OPINION THAT, "OH, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS WE FIRST CALL JOHN TEW."

AND THAT'S TRUE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND EVEN SECOND HAND, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS YOU AND YOU'RE THERE FOR THEM.

YOU'RE THERE TO HELP, TO COUNSEL, TO SUGGEST, TO DO WHATEVER IT IS.

AND THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME.

THAT'S A COMMITMENT THAT I KNOW THE TWO OF YOU.

JOHN TEW: THAT'S THE JOY OF HAVING TIME NOW, THAT I DIDN'T HAVE EARLIER IN LIFE.

KELLAR: AND THAT'S HOW YOU USE IT.

YEAH.

JOHN TEW: AND IT'S ALSO A DOCUMENTATION OF THE VALUE OF LIVING IN THE DIGITAL AGE BECAUSE YOU CAN FIND OUT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ON THE INTERNET OR IN WEBSITES OR ON GPT CHAT.

THE PROBLEM IS TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S REALISTIC, WHETHER IT'S REAL, AND HOW TO CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE BEST IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD.

SO THAT KEEPS MY BRAIN GOING.

KELLAR: YEAH, YOUR BRAIN -- JOHN TEW: IT REALLY DOES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT.

KELLAR: YEAH.

JOHN TEW: BODY FITNESS, MENTAL FITNESS AND METABOLIC FITNESS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE SO CRITICAL TO LIVE A LIFE THAT YOUR PHYSICAL YEARS ARE THE SAME AS YOUR HEALTH YEARS.

KELLAR: SO YEAH, THAT CONCEPT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE -- ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN THAT.

WELL, TELL US ABOUT THE PROGRAMS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE EVENING.

JOHN TEW: WELL, WE TRY TO LIVE UP TO THE CONCEPT OF SIEMPRE SANO, ALWAYS HEALTHY.

AND THERE ARE MANY COMPONENTS OF GOOD HEALTH, OF COURSE: NUTRITION, EXERCISE, RELATIONSHIPS, AND LIVING A LIFE OF PURPOSE.

SO THE PURPOSE PART CAME BY BRINGING FRIENDS THROUGH THERE.

AND THEN HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THESE IMPORTANT THINGS, INCLUDING GREAT FOOD.

THERE'S A CULINARY INSTITUTE THERE.

SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A SPECIAL CHEF.

AND I THROW IN A LITTLE BOOST HERE FOR ANNIE FEN WHO WROTE THE BOOK, GOOD HEALTH FOR AGING BRAINS, BRAIN HEALTH KITCHEN.

THE BRAIN HEALTH KITCHEN.

KELLAR: THAT'S THE NAME OF THE BOOK?

SUSAN TEW: THE BOOK IS BRAIN HEALTH KITCHEN.

JOHN TEW: BRAIN HEALTH KITCHEN.

SO SHE COMES EVERY YEAR AND TALKS ABOUT THAT.

AND JOHN CARLA WHO'S THE CHEF THERE, THEY WORK BEAUTIFULLY TOGETHER.

SO THAT'S ONE PART.

OF COURSE GREAT WINE ALSO.

KELLAR: AND YOU DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING EVERY EVENING, LIKE A CONCERT?

JOHN TEW: YEAH, CONCERTS AND ALSO PROGRAMS ABOUT WELLNESS AND CONSULTATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN HEARING THE STORIES THAT I TELL ABOUT LIVING LONG AND LIVING WELL.

THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GROUP COMING FROM YALE UNIVERSITY LED BY BEN VERDERY, WHO'S A CLASSICAL GUITARIST AND A MUSICIAN, EXTRAORDINARY.

AND HE'S BRINGING SOME OF HIS FRIENDS, AND WE'LL BRING A FEW FRIENDS.

IT'LL BE IN EARLY NOVEMBER.

KELLAR: DID YOU START THIS PROGRAM WITH MIKE?

JOHN TEW: YES, YES.

KELLAR: I THOUGHT SO.

THIS IS YOUR THING.

JOHN TEW: IT'S ONE OF THEM.

SUSAN TEW: IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.

BARBARA, THAT HAPPENS, I THINK AT THIS TIME IN OUR LIFE, WHEN WE LISTEN TO WHAT REALLY IS GIVING OUR LIFE MEANING.

SO JOHN REALLY WANTED TO MOVE FROM CURING TO HEALING.

AND HEALING HAS TO BEGIN IN THE MIND AND IN THE HEART.

AND IF YOU'RE RESISTING THERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.

SO PART OF THIS PROGRAM, AND MICHAEL, IN THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SAID, "WELL, WHAT ARE WE MISSING HERE?"

AND I SAID, "I THINK YOU'RE MISSING A MORNING DEVOTIONAL, A MORNING MEDITATION WHERE YOU CAN CENTER YOURSELF IN THIS SACRED SPACE."

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN TO PLACES, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE, THAT ARE SORT OF VORTEXES OF ENERGY.

THAT'S ONE, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

SO IT'S THE AIR THAT YOU BREATHE, YOU KNOW, PAINTERS, THE RENAISSANCE PAINTERS TALKED ABOUT THE COLOR IN TUSCANY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY PAINTED.

THAT GETS FILTERED INTO YOUR SENSES.

AND THERE IS A VIBRATION IN YOUR BODY.

YOU TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF AND STAND ON THAT GROUND, AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON SACRED SPACE.

SO IT'S THE BEST PLACE TO LEARN HOW TO MEDITATE, TO PRAY IN THE MORNING, TO SET YOUR DAILY INTENTION.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU GATHER IN A CIRCLE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO USE THIS WORD.

A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL IT MAGIC, BUT IT'S NOT MAGIC.

IT'S SPIRITUAL.

IT'S WHEN YOU TAP INTO THAT SPIRIT, THAT HOLY SPIRIT THAT HAS LIVED AND VIBRATES AND THEN ON THAT MOUNTAINTOP, YOU BECOME ALIVE.

SO LAST YEAR, VICTORIA MORGAN WAS WITH US.

KELLAR: I KNOW VICTORIA.

SUSAN TEW: AND ON TOP OF ALL OF THOSE MARVELOUS, YOU KNOW.

JOHN TEW: RUINS.

SUSAN TEW: THE RUINS, SHE WAS DANCING WITH US.

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST REALLY -- KELLAR: PHOTOGRAPHER'S PARADISE.

JOHN TEW: WE ALL JOINED IT.

IT WAS SUCH A GREAT PLACE.

SUSAN TEW: AND SO DID SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T PART OF THE PROGRAM FROM THE HILLSIDE, THEY WERE COMING UP FOR LUNCH.

AND THEY SAID, "WELL, WHO'S DANCING?"

AND WE SAID, "WELL, YOU KNOW, COME ON AND DANCE."

KELLAR: WELL, WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS SO INCREDIBLE.

AND YOUR FEELINGS FOR PEOPLE, I MEAN.

OTHERS OF YOU -- OR NOT, THAT THERE ARE VERY MANY, BUT YOU COULD JUST LEAD A VERY CALM, LOVELY LIFE, BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE CHOSEN TO SPEND YOUR TIME THERE.

IF WE BOIL IT JUST TO HELP PEOPLE IN WHATEVER WAY IT IS THAT APPLIES TO THEM AND YOU'RE THERE FOR PEOPLE, YOU'RE JUST AN AMAZING, AMAZING COUPLE.

AND I HOPE IT'S CONTAGIOUS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT YOU HAVE STARTED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE.

I MEAN, HOW MANY BRAIN SURGEONS DO WHAT YOU DO IN THEIR REWIRING?

OKAY.

SEE, I LISTENED.

SUSAN TEW: GOOD.

KELLAR: I LISTENED.

YEAH.

JOHN TEW: YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING ABOUT SOCIAL BEHAVIOR IS IT'S BEEN PROVEN THAT ONE PERSON CAN INFLUENCE A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

AND OF COURSE YOU CAN, THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO THAT ISSUE THAT YOU CAN DO A BAD INFLUENCE.

SUSAN TEW: POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.

JOHN TEW: SO WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH INFLUENCES THAT WERE SO GOOD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE.

WE FEEL THAT IT'S COMPELLING AND ALSO A GREAT SENSE OF JOY FOR US TO DO SOMETHING THAT REPAYS THAT DEBT OR FILLS -- KELLAR: WE OWE YOU THE DEBT.

SUSAN TEW: YOUR QUESTION IS REALLY A GOOD ONE THOUGH.

WHY AREN'T YOU JUST SITTING BACK AND ENJOYING SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR?

AND THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S NOT WHERE JOY IS.

SO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

KELLAR: THE ANSWER IS YOUR JOY IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SUSAN TEW: EXACTLY.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHAT ASTROPHYSICISTS ARE DISCOVERING, EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.

I'M DOING THIS BOOK NOW, THE BOOK OF JOY WITH THE DALAI LAMA AND THAT WHOLE BUDDHIST THING ABOUT THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS AND WHAT MAKES THE DALAI LAMA HAPPY IS TO HELP PEOPLE.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SUSAN TEW: SO WHEN ARCHBISHOP DESMOND TUTU ASKED HIM, "WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU DIE?"

AND THE DALAI LAMA SAID, "WELL, I KNOW WHEN YOU DIE, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN AND I'M GOING TO BE REINCARNATED.

AND MY WORK RIGHT NOW IS TO LOVE THE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE THE NEXT DALAI LAMA.

SO I HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO LOVE THE CHINESE."

AND THEN HE SAID, "ACTUALLY, I WOULDN'T MIND GOING TO HELL BECAUSE I COULD HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HELL."

KELLAR: OH MY GOODNESS.

SUSAN TEW: NOW EVERYBODY LAUGHED AND I THOUGHT, "WHAT A WEIRD THING TO SAY."

BUT WHAT HE MEANT IS THAT HIS JOY COMES FROM HELPING OTHER PEOPLE.

KELLAR: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN HELL BEFORE THEY DIE.

SUSAN TEW: EXACTLY.

AND HE'S -- I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A BRILLIANT RESPONSE THAT HE MADE THAT WE'RE ALL ONE.

WE'RE ALL PART OF THE HUMAN CONDITION.

JOHN TEW: AND ALL GREAT, ALL GREAT THINKERS SAY THAT, THAT WE ARE ONE.

KELLAR: WE COULD TALK FOREVER.

THIS IS -- SUSAN TEW: WE USUALLY DO.

KELLAR: RIGHT, WE USUALLY DO, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE.

BUT YOU'RE JUST AN INSPIRATION, JUST KNOWING WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT AND WITH THE MOST PERSONAL, LOVING CARE.

SO HOW CAN WE THANK YOU?

YOU'RE JUST PHENOMENAL, BOTH OF YOU.

SUSAN TEW: BE WHO YOU IS.

KELLAR: YEAH.

SUSAN TEW: DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

JOHN TEW: DO WHAT YOU DO SO WELL, BARBARA.

YOU CAN SAY ALL THOSE THINGS ABOUT YOU.

YOU'RE DOING THESE INTERVIEWS AND HELPING THE COMMUNITY IN SO MANY WAYS THAT YOUR AUDIENCE CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY GREAT THINGS YOU DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

KELLAR: WELL, THANK YOU.

WE ALL TRY, BUT YOU SUCCEED PHENOMENALLY.

SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

SUSAN TEW: IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE.

KELLAR: JUST FABULOUS.

YEAH.

SUSAN TEW: IT'S A GREAT PLEASURE.

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