>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES AND THIS IS OVER DUAL LANGUAGE INSTRUCTION IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

THAT'S NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US, MARY JO PITZL AND THERE SHE IS.

HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITAL MEDIA SERVICES AND JEREMY DUDA OF AXIOS PHOENIX.

MARY JO, WE'LL START WITH YOU AND THE STOP ME IF YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, DUAL LANGUAGE INSTRUCTION IN SCHOOLS BACK IN THE MINES.

HEADLINES.

>> OH, YEAH, WE'LL GO OVER THIS FOR MAYBE ANOTHER DECADE OR SO AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THAT SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS, TOM HORN, SENT OUT INSTRUCTIONS SAYING TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, LOOK, IF YOU ARE TEACHING IMMERSION ONLY, WE'LL WITHHOLD FUNDING FROM YOU.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YOU HAVE TO DO DUAL LANGUAGE, WHERE A STUDENT SPENDS HALF OF THEIR TIME IN THE CLASSROOM AND LEARNING THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE.

ALONG COMES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, KRIS MAYES, AND SHE ISSUED A FORMAL OPINION AND SAYS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY.

GO AHEAD AND SCHOOL DISTRICTS WILL INSTRUCT ENGLISH AS THEY SEE FIT.

>> THEY SIDE-STEPPED THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE LEARNERS WITH REGULAR STUDENTS DOES FIT, IN FACT, THE BALLOT PROPOSITION THAT VOTERS PASSED AND OH, THAT'S WAY TOO FACT INTENSIVE AND RELIED AS MARY JO SAID OF WHO GETS TO ENFORCE IT.

IT'S WE'RE THE ONLY STATE TO TAKE OUT THESE KIDS AND THEY WON'T GET TO KEEP UP WITH THE ACADEMICS WITH THEIR PEERS.

THE OTHER HALF BACKS TO THE EXTENT YOU HAVE STUDENTS ENROLLED IN BOTH LANGUAGES, IN BOTH CLASSES, AND NOT ONLY ARE THE SPANISH SPEAKING KIDS LEARNING ENGLISH AND THE SPANISH SPEAKING KIDS ARE LEARNING ENGLISH.

>> Ted: GO BACK TO THE INITIATIVE AND WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY?

AND WHEN HORN SAYS IT'S AGAINST THE LAW, DOES HE HAVE A POINT?

>> LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL THOUGHT AHEAD A POINT AND THIS COULD BE A FEW YEARS AGO THAT THERE COULD BE LEGAL ISSUES AND THE VOTERS PASSED THIS IN, I BELIEVE, 2000 AND THE STUDENTS ARE INSTRUCTED IN ENGLISH AND WHAT'S INTERESTING WHAT TOM HORN OBJECTIONED TO AND THIS WAS UNANIMOUS THAT GIVES THE BOARD OF EDUCATION A LOT MORE LATITUDE THAN THEY HAD FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS BEFORE THAT TO GIVE SOME MORE INSTRUCTION TO STUDENTS WHO DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE.

ONE OF THE FOUR OPTIONS WAS FOR THIS 50/50 DUAL IMMERSION.

KATHY HOFFMAN AND NOW TOM HORN WHO HAS BEEN GUNG-HO AND THEN WENT TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT, ACTUALLY, FIGHTING FOR ENGLISH-ONLY AND NOW HE'S BACK AND PICKED UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF.

>> Ted: AND HE'LL GO BACK TO THE SUPREME COURT IF HE HAS TO.

>> HORN, IN IT FIRST ITERATION AS SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT TOOK ON THE LAROSSA STUDIES IN THE SCHOOLS AND BELIEVES THE BEST WAY TO LEARN ENGLISH -- I MEAN, A FOREIGN LANGUAGE IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BLEND IT WITH YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE.

AND IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT HE IS A FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL AND NOW HE IS FIGHTING WITH THE CURRENT ATTORNEY GENERAL AND VICE VERSA.

>> EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN STATISTICS WHICH METHOD WORKS BEST.

HORN CONTENDS WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE ABSOLUTE, YOU WILL SPEND FOUR HOURS IN CLASS, THAT YOU HAVE BETTER RESULTS THAN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN TERMS OF GETTING PROFICIENCY AND OTHERS WHO SAY, NO, THE STRICTLY FOUR HOURS IN CLASS HAS NOT PRODUCED THE SAME RESULTS.

EVERYBODY HAS AN IDEA AND MAY COME DOWN AS JEREMY SAID WHAT THE VOTERS INTEND IN 2000 AND, OBVIOUSLY, Mr. HORN BEING AN ATTORNEY LOVES TO GO TO COURT.

>> Ted: I DON'T CARE WHICH SIDE 100% AND THE OTHER ZERO PERCENT AND THERE'S STILL THE LAW.

>> SOUNDS LIKE TOM HORN IS SHOWING THAT THE LAW SAYS WHAT IT SAYS.

>> Ted: WHEN YOU DISPUTE A LAW, WE HEAR ABOUT PARENTALRIGHTS ANO THIS?

>> NOT THE WAY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL LOOKS AT IT, NO.

WITH A LOT OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO THE CLASSROOM, TRANSISSUES OR CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND SOMETIMES PARENTAL RIGHTS IS HONORED AND THEN THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.

>> PARENTS HAVE A RIGHT TO GO TO COURT TO THINK TOM HORN ELUDED TO IN TERMS OF LITIGATION.

FOUND.

>> Ted: TOM HORN BACK WITH THIS ONE AND TRANSGIRLS TO COMPETE AND ONE TO ATTEND MIDDLE SCHOOL IN KYRENE, NOT ENTERING PUBERTY AND THEIR ATTORNEYS WENT TO COURT AND WAIT A SECOND, YOU HAVE THIS 2022 LAW THAT SAYS BY DEFINITION, YOU ARE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, BIOLOGICAL BOYS AND THE JUDGE SAYS I'VE LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE AND NOTHING THAT SAYS THEY'RE STRONGER OR FASTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

AND AT LEAST TO THESE TWO GIRLS, THEY GET TO COMPETE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID -- THE JUDGE DID NOT VOID THE LAW AND IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ATTORNEYS NEVER ASKED TO VOID THE ENTIRE LAW BECAUSE YOU GET INTO A LARGER QUESTION, THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA SWIMMER FROM A MALE SWIMMER TO A FEMALE SWIMMER AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHALLENGE THE WHOLE THING.

THEY WANTED TO SAY IN THESE CASES, THESE GIRLS AND PRESUMABLY ANYONE ELSE GETS A RIGHT TO COMPETE.

>> Ted: THIS SOUNDS LIKE AIA SAYING AT THE TIME WHEN THIS CROPPED UP, WE'LL TAKE THIS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

>> THAT'S WHAT THE POLICY GOES BACK TO, WAITING FOR THIS LAW TO GO TO COURT.

THIS IS NARROWLY TO THESE TWO TRANSGIRLS AND THE THE JUDGE WAS EMPHATIC SHE WAS NOT REFERRING TO PUBERTY AND TOM HORN PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND IN ADDITION, THE JUDGE ARGUING THIS IS A TITLE 9 AND TREATS THE FEMALE ATHLETICS DIFFERENTLY AND IT ALLOWS TO TRANSGIRLS PLAYING ATHLETICS.

MALE ATHLETIC AND FEMALE DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS AND PROTECTION UNDER THE 14th AMENDMENT AND IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS GOES TO COURT.

IT WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT AND SO FAR THEY UPHELD AN INJUNCTION IN WEST VIRGINIA.

>> HORN IS PRESSING THIS CASE HIMSELF AND IS THE ATTORNEY ON THE CASE AND A LAWYER BY TRAINING.

>> OF COURSE, THAT OCCURRED IS THAT KRIS MAYES, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, SAID I'M NOT DEFENDING THIS THING.

SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, NO, I DON'T SEE IT.

NOW THEY DID ALLOW OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND TO HELP WITH OWN LEGAL EXPERTISE, BUT, AGAIN, FINDING HIMSELF OUT THERE IN THE WILDERNESS.

>> Ted: DID THE JUDGE NOT MENTION IRREPRABLE HARM?

>> GENDER IDENTITY AND BIOLOGICAL SEX AND PEOPLE WHO CLEARLY IDENTIFY AS A GENDER DIFFERENT THAN THEIR BIOLOGICAL SEX.

TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE SAYING CANNOT -- I DO THAT IN ALL PHASES AND THESE ARE TRANSGENDER GIRLS PLAYING SPORTS UP UNTIL NOW AND THE YOU WOULD BE SAYING TO THEM NOW FOR THIS NEW SCHOOL YEAR, NO, YOU CAN'T.

AND YOU SAID THIS GENDER DYSPHORIA IS A REAL CONDITION AND SHE ALSO TOOK PAINS TO POINT OUT THAT EFFORTS TO CURE PEOPLE OF THEIR GENDERDYSPHORIA IS DANGEROUS.

>> Ted: DOES THIS MAKE AN IMPACT BEYOND THIS CASE AND SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL BE RUNNING ON?

>> I WOULD VERY MUCH EXPECT IT AND THIS CAME THERE OUR LEGISLATURE AND ONE OF THOSE BILLS THAT WE PUT IN THE CATEGORY OF CULTURE WARS AND THERE ARE VERY PRETTY STARK LINES DRAWN, YOU KNOW, WHICH SIDE YOU'RE ON.

PLUS, IT'S BEEN TALKED UP A LOT AND ESPECIALLY BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

YEAH, THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE IN NEXT YEAR'S ELECTIONS.

>> Ted: DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> YES.

ANYTHING INVOLVING TRANSGENDER PEOPLE HAS BEEN A HOT BUTTON ISSUE FOR YEARS NOW AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WITHIN THAT REALM AND SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, HAS PLANTED ITS FLAG ON THE CULTURE WAR ISSUES.

>> WE'VE HAD THE CAVANAGH BILLS THAT SAY ADDRESSES BY A PRONOUN AND THE DUCEY SIGN BILLS WITH SURGERY CORRECTIONS PRIOR TO ADULTHOOD.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE FIGURED OUT ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND ALL OF THE REST THAT THEY THINK SELLS WELL WITH VOTERS.

VOTERS.

>> AFTER GOVERNOR HOBBS ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW STATE RESOURCES TO BE USED FOR STATE EMPLOYEES TO DO -- I HAD THAT BACKWARDS.

>> YOU CAN'T USE STATE RESOURCES TO TRY TO DO THERAPY TO CONVINCE GAY CHILDREN THAT THEY'RE NOT GAY AND SHE ALSO SAID THAT TO THE EXTENT THE STATE INSURANCE DOES COVER NECESSARY SURGERY AND THAT SURGERY IS NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, FOR CERTAIN THINGS, THAT THE STATE WILL COVER THAT.

>> THOSE EXECUTIVE ORDERS WERE ISSUED AND THE SENATOR JAKE HOFFMAN, THE DIRECTOR NOMINATION COMMITTEE, SAID WE WON'T HEAR ANYMORE NOMINEES.

>> Ted: IT'S ALREADY THERE.

JEREMY, "WASHINGTON POST,ED" ATTORNEY ATTORNEY BROADENING THIS AND THAT INCLUDES A LOT OF PEOPLE AND ROGUE'S GALLERY OF FOLKS.

EVERYONE IS WONDERING ABOUT WHERE THIS INVESTIGATION IS AND WE'RE LEARNING MORE WHEN IT STARTED AND THE HOW IT'S GOING ALONG.

BOY, WHAT HAPPENED IN MICHIGAN, A KICK IN THE PANTS THERE.

>> SITTING HERE LAST WEEK ON THE STAGE TALKING ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND KRIS MAYES WANTED IT TO BE CAUTIOUS AND MAKING SURE THIS IS A CLEAR-CUT AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO COURT AND CHARGE ANYONE WHERE THEY'LL GET CONVICTED AND MAYBE THEY WON'T.

IN MICHIGAN, THEY LAID THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OUT THERE AND KRIS MAYES TOOK OFFICE AND THEY CHARGED THEIR 16 FAKE TRUMP ELECTORS WITH FELONY FORGERY ACCOUNTS AND DULY ELECTORS FROM THAT STATE.

THAT PUTS THE SPOTLIGHT ON MAYES NOW WHO IS BEING MORE OPEN THAT SHE'S INVESTIGATING THE SAME THING.

WE'VE WONDERED WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU CHARGE THESE FOLKS WITH IF YOU CHARGE THEM.

AND NOW MICHIGAN PROVIDE A TEMPLATE.

>> THIS BECOMES TRICKY BECAUSE THIS COMES DOWN TO INTENT AND THE ARGUMENT THAT KELLY WARD, THE CHAIR OF THE PARTY SAYS WE HAD ELECTORS READY TO GO SHOULD THE COURTS DECIDE.

>> Ted: HOLD ON A SECOND.

DID THEY SAY AT THE TIME THAT THEY WERE READY TO GO OR DID THEY SAY AT THE TIME THESE WERE DULY ELECTORS AND OFF TO WASHINGTON?

THESE WERE CONTINGENCIES AND DID THAT COME ALONG THE PIKE OR HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY?

>> THAT HAPPENED LATER AND SENT THE DOCUMENTS OFF TO WASHINGTON.

NOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE.

YOU HAVE THE QUESTION OF FORGERY AS YOU POINT OUT AND THE QUESTION OF FRAUD OR SOME OF THAT REQUIRES PROOF OF INTENT AND THAT IS WHERE I THINK THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS SAYING, CAN I SHOW THAT THEY INTENDED TO DEFRAUD CONGRESS, WHICH IS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THESE DOCUMENTS, THAT WE ARE THE TRUE ELECTORS.

>> EVERYONE HAS BEEN MOSTLY LOOKING TO THE FEDS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL REFERRED HER CASE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT INTENT, WHO IN WASHINGTON, WHO IN DONALD TRUMP'S ORBIT WAS ORCHESTRATING ALL OF THIS.

OBVIOUSLY, ARIZONA AND MICHIGAN WERE NOT THE ONLY STATES AND A HALF DOZEN CONTESTED STATES WHERE THERE WERE ELECTION ISSUES AND THEY SUBMITTED THEIR SLATES AND FOLKS LIKE RUDY GIULIANI AND GATHERING FOLKS AND PUTTING THESE PLANS IN MOTION IN CASE THEY COULD GET MIKE PENCE TO DO THE RIGHT THING, IS THE WAY TRUMP PUT IT.

>> Ted: THE ATTORNEY FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY USED THE TERM, "FAKE ELECTORS" IN AN EMAIL.

AND BACK-TRACKED IT LATER.

AND SAID THEY WERE DULY ELECTED OR RESPONSIBLE.

I MEAN, WHERE IS THE GRAY HERE?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO SEE WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MAYES WOULD SAY.

HER STAFF IS SAYING, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS LOCKDOWN AND THEY WON'T BRING CHARGES.

IT'S ALL IN AND THEY WON'T BRING CHARGES IF THINGS LOOK A LITTLE IFFY.

>> THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU WILL GO AFTER THEM, YOU BETTER MAKE DAMN WELL SURE YOU GET A CONVICTION BECAUSE IT'S THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PICKING ON REPUBLICANS AGAIN, MUCH LIKE TRUMP AND LAKE MADE THESE SAME CHARGES.

YOU BETTER DAMN WELL HAVE ENOUGH TO CONVINCE A JUDGE IF IT'S A MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY, THAT YES, THEY INTENDED TO DEFRAUD.

>> Ted: HOW LIKELY WILL CHARGES COME?

>> ONLY 60%.

>> Ted: JEREMY?

>> I IT'S HARD TO SAY.

I WOULD WAGER, MAYES TO SEE CHARGES AND THIS IS SOMETHING DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN AFTER HER FOR AND IF THERE'S AN AVENUE WHERE SHE CAN REASONABLY DO THIS, SHE WILL.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU THINK, MARY JO?

>> I'M IN LINE WITH WHAT HE SAID.

>> Ted: IF IT'S NOT CONCRETE, WE GET ANOTHER SLATE OF FAKE ELECTORS.

SPEAKING OF THE INVESTIGATION, JEREMY, IN LOOKS LIKE THE FORMER GOVERNOR, DOUG DUCEY HAS SPOKEN TO AN INVESTIGATIVE TEAM ON WHAT HAPPENED -- YOU TELL ME, SO MANY DIFFERENT AVENUES.

WAS IT JANUARY 6th, OVERTURNING THE ELECTION AND WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW, SPECIAL COUNSEL, JACK SMITH TEAM REACHED OUT AND THIS IS AFTER A "WASHINGTON POST" REPORT WAS THEY WERE SAYING, GEE, I'M SURPRISED THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT SINCE TRUMP WAS PRESSURING ME TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CALL SOUNDED LIKE.

UNLIKE GEORGIA AND THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE WHERE WE HAD AN HOUR-LONG AUDIO TO CHANGE THE RESULTS.

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS SAID.

YOU KNOW WE TOLD GOVERNOR DUCEY, IF YOU CAN FIND THE FRAUDULENT RESULTS, I CAN BE THE WINNER THERE.

TO THE EXTENT TO WHICH DONALD TRUMP MIGHT HAVE BROKEN LAW THERE IS OR EXACTLY WHAT HE ASKED DOUG DUCEY TO DO.

IT SOUNDS LIKE DOUG DUCEY IS COOPERATING, THE FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF SAYING HE'LL DO THE RIGHT THING AND TALK WITH THESE FOLKS AND TELL HIM WHAT HE KNOWS.

>> SMITH'S TEAM HAS BEEN MAKING THE ROUNDS A BIT IN ARIZONA.

BACK IN FEBRUARY, THEY SUBPOENAED A COUPLE OF KEY LAWMAKERS INVOLVED WITH THE AUDIT AND THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED AND CERTIFICATION, ALL OF THE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION AND THEN, I'VE GOT DOCUMENTS THAT SHOWED, I THINK IN MAY OF THIS YEAR, THEY SUBPOENAED THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE FOR RECORDS AND TWO LAWSUITS THAT SOS WAS DEFENDING.

AND IT WAS RELATED TO THE 2020 ELECTION AND WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE CORRESPOND CENTS.

CORRESPONDENTS.

>> ON ONE HAND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS SAYING, LOOK, IT SHOWS HE'S NOT LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP AND NOT LOYAL TO THAT PART OF THE PARTY.

WASN'T IN THE GUY WHO GOT WENDY RODGERS ELECTED.

DUCEY IS SAYING, LOOK, I'M TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I DON'T THINK THAT HE HAS PARTICULAR FEELINGS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

>> AND HE HAS HIS BUDDY, MIKE PENCE, RUNNING.

>> Ted: DUCEY TOLD THE DONOR AND PUSHED HIM TO FIND FRAUDULENT VOTES AND ASK PENCE TO PUSH DUCEY, AS WE MENTIONED AND PENCE AND DUCEY ARE BUDS.

>> INQUIRING WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND NOT ASKING HIM TO OVERTURN IT.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A PLOT THAT INVOLVED MIKE PENCE AND NOT WANTING ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

>> Ted: IMPACT OF A POLITICAL FUTURE IF THERE IS ONE FOR DOUG DUCEY.

>> I THINK HE SETTLED INTO THIS, I'LL USE THIS LOOSELY, THINK TANK, DEFENDING THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM FIGHTING, WHAT I'LL CALL SOCIALISM.

WHAT HE CONSIDERS SOCIALISM, IS THAT MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY AND I THINK HE'S TRIED TO PLAY AN EDERLY STATESMAN, EVEN THOUGH HE'S YOUNGER THAN I AM.

>> Ted: MARY JO, IT LOOKS LIKE MARK FINCHEM WILL RUN FOR RECORDER IN MARICOPA COUNTY?

>> ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES DID SOME SEARCHING AROUND AND TURNS OUT HE CHANGES HIS REGISTRATION AND THIS YEAR, HE'S LIVING IN PHOENIX AND TAKING OUT A PACKET FROM THE COUNTY ELECTION'S OFFICE, WHICH IS AN INITIAL EXPRESSION OF INTEREST IN AN OFFICE OF DON'T JUMP THE GUN AND NO ANNOUNCEMENT.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S EYEING THE RECORDER'S SEAT AND TAKEN ON STEVEN RICHER.

>> THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE AS WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO TURN OUT IN THE PRIMARY TEND TO BE THE FRINGES ON BOTH, SO HE COULD CONCEIVABLY WIN THE PRIMARY AGAINST RICHER AND THE TRUMPITES CONSIDER TO BE DISLOYAL AND THEN DOES HE HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL OF DEFEATING A DEMOCRAT IN NOVEMBER?

>> Ted: WHAT DEMOCRAT IS RUNNING IN NOVEMBER?

>> I'M SURE THEY'RE SALIVATING AGAINST RUNNING AGAINST MARK FINCHEM AND THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE AND HE IS DETESTED BY THE FOLKS IN THAT CORNER, BUT, A GENERAL ELECTION, I MEAN, OF ALL OF THE STATEWIDE -- THE STATEWIDE DEMOCRATS WON MOST LAST YEAR IN ARIZONA AND FINCHEM LOST WORSE THAN ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEES AND WORSE IN MARICOPA COUNTY THAN THE STATE AS A WHOLE.

HE'S CLAIMING HIS ELECTION WAS RIGGED LAST YEAR AND WE KNOW IT WASN'T AND IF HE BELIEVES THAT.

MAYBE HE THINKS HE CAN CHANGE THAT IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

>> HE COMES IN AS A CARPET BAGGER AND THAT'S THE THING AND NOT THAT HE'S RUNNING FOR A STATE-WIDE OFFICE AND I REPRESENTED AND OH, NOW I CARE ABOUT MARICOPA COUNTY.

>> HE HAS A HOUSE IN SURPRISE AND A RESIDENCE DURING HIS RUN FOR SECRETARY OF STATE.

>> IS THIS LIKE WENDY ROGERS.

>> $24,000 A YEAR.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: LAST QUESTION ON THIS AND RICHER, IF THE WIND BLOWS THE WRONG DIRECTION AND COULD HE RUNS A AN INDEPENDENT?

>> I SUPPOSE HE COULD AND START DOING IT NOW.

YOU CAN'T WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU LOSE A PRIMARY TO MAKE A DECISION AND IF HE HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION, HE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THAT NOW.

IT'S A PRECARIOUS PROSPECT AND WITH THE KYRSTEN SINEMA RACE.

>> Ted: BOLICK IS BACK AT THE LEGISLATURE.

>> SHE KILLED THE SOCIETY THAT STEVE KAISER VACATED AND THE NEW SENATOR FROM LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT 2 AND APPARENTLY, WE LEARNED THIS WEEK THAT SHE -- ALTHOUGH SHE'S CONSERVATIVE IN MANY OF HER POLICY REFERENCES, , SHE DISAGREES WITH THE POLICIES.

>> THIS IS THE KINDER BOLICK AND DIDN'T INTERVIEW WITH BILL GATES AND SUPERVISORS AND TAPED IT.

LOOK, I HAVE MOVED ON AND THIS ALLOWED THE LEGISLATURE TO GO BACK AND OVERTURN THE 2020 ELECTION.

>> THE REASON SHE'S MOVED ON, SHE SAID, BECAUSE IF YOU JOIN THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, IT'S DOOM FOR REPUBLICANS.

I THINK SHE'S PROBABLY STATING THE OBVIOUS AND THAT POTENTIALLY PUTS HER IN A HOT SEAT AND SHE'S IN A DISTRICT THAT'S HOTLY CONTESTED.

>> SHE TOLD BILL GATES, THIS WILL BE INTERESTING WHEN YOU UNPACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO PATH TO THE DEMOCRATS TAKING THE SENATE WITHOUT TAKING THE DISTRICT SHE WAS APPOINTED TO.

THAT COULD BE BEATING HER IN A GENERAL ELECTION AND LOST THE PRIMARY.

ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES THAT GOT PASSED OVER HAS DECLAREDDED HIS INTENTION TO RUN FOR THAT.

THIS BILL THAT HOWIE MENTIONED, IF SHE MAKES IT TO THE GENERAL ELECTION, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATS WILL NOT LET VOTERS IN THAT SHE WANTED THE BILL, TO THROW THEIR BALLOTS IN THE TRASH AND CHANGE THE RESULTS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FOR ANY REASON.

>> THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS A NEW IMPROVED BOLICK AND I CHECKED AND AND I AM BLOCKED FROM VIEWING HER TWEETS?

>> JOURNALISTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND SOMEHOW FOR A WOMAN WHO SAYS, I HAVE MOVED ON AND I'M NOT THE CRAZY ONCE WAS AND THAT'S IT.

>> Ted: THE BELLWEATHER.

>> THE PEOPLE THAT SHE REPRESENTS, NOT THE JOURNALISTS AND THAT'S THE MEASURE OF WHETHER YOU HAVE GETTING A GENTLER PERSON.

>> Ted: ALL THREE ARE DENIERS INCLUDING BOLICK AND THEY WANTED TO MOVE ON AND HE DIDN'T LIKE THE PROCESS BECAUSE HE SAYS NONE OF THESE PEOPLE REPRESENT THE BREADTH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I'M SHOCKED THERE.

>> YEAH, IT'S A SHOT, BUT A SHOT AGAINST THE PC SYSTEM AND PRECINCT COMMITTEE SYSTEM AND I THINK IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY IT USED TO BE AT ONE POINT IN THE PAST.

AND THEN THEY WOULD VET THEM AND APPOINT THEM.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A STEP IN BETWEEN WHERE THE PC'S DO THE NOMINATING BECAUSE ARGUABLY THEY'RE FOR THE VOTERS.

>> THE SAME PEOPLE TURNING OUT IN THE PRIMARIES.

>> Ted: ALL THREE CANDIDATES HAD A WAY OF ELECTION DENIERS.

>> PART OF THAT WAS SUPERVISOR HICKMAN TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH HE WANTS TO SEE THIS PROCESS CHANGE.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO VET THEM.

WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM AND ONE DAY, WE'LL APPOINT AN AX MURDERERRER.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: WE'LL SAVE THAT TOPIC FOR THE NEXT ROUNDTABLE, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU, PANEL.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!