>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR AGAIN EXPRESSING HER CONCERN OVER THE STATE'S UNIVERSAL SCHOOL VOUCHER PROGRAM.

THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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>> Ted: WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

JOINING US TONIGHT, CAMRYN SANCHEZ AND RAY STERN AND HOWIE FISCHER.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THE THANKS FOR JOINING US.

A LOT OF SCHOOL VOUCHER TALK THIS WEEK INCLUDING THIS ESTIMATED COST OF SCHOOL VOUCHERS AND WE'RE AT 943 SOMOLIANS.

>> THAT WAS AN HOUR AGO AND THIS IS GOING TOP SI HERE.

WE'RE NOT ONLY MAKING THE VOUCHERS AVAILABLE TO ALL PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE THERE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITIONAL COST, BUT WE'RE MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THOUSAND OF STUDENTS WHO ARE ALREADY IN PRIVATE PAROCI ALAL SCHOOLS.

THE LEGISLATURE ADOPTED A BUDGET AND THE GOVERNOR SAID 900 AND SOME AND BEN TOMA SAID, OH, NO, WE LIKE OUR NUMBERS AND TOM HORNE SAID 900.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR CITED THE NUMBER AND $320 MILLION SHORTFALL AND THAT'S A LOT OF BUCKS THERE.

>> THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF THAT HAPPENED AND THEY WOULD FIND A PLACE TO TAKE THAT MONEY FROM.

BUT THERE'S DOUBT ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD REACH THAT HIGH THIS YEAR AND, BASICALLY, THE SCHOOL YEAR INTEREST TO START AND THE NUMBERS ARE AT ABOUT 62,000 RIGHT NOW AND THEY'VE BEEN GOING UP, BY, SAY, A COUPLE THOUSAND A WEEK OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS.

AND SO, IF YOU PROJECT OUT, YOU FOE, THERE WILL BE A BIG SPURT THAT WILL TAKE A LONG WAY TOWARD 100,000 TO REALLY GET THAT FAR.

>> Ted: THE LATEST NUMBERS OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS WAS, QUOTE, BASELESS.

>> BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS MAY DAY, MAY DAY AND IT'S NOT YET AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE AND NO PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM.

>> THAT'S THE KEY BECAUSE FROM BENBEN TO MA'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY'RE TAXPAYERS AND A FILL PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION AND HE'S SAYING, THEY'RE TAXPAYERS AND WHY NOT LET THEM TAKE ADVANTAGE.

>> Ted: LET'S GO TO AN ECONOMIC DISCUSSION AND THEY'RE SEEMS TO BE GOOD EVIDENCE THIS IS NOT SAVE-THE-STATE MONEY AND COSTS THE STATE MONEY AND WE HAVE ALLEN McGUIRE.

TAKE A DEEP DIVE.

>> THE DEEP DIVE IS WHERE THESE KIDS ARE COMING FROM AND SOME IS GEOGRAPHIC AND A LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT A LOT OF THE FOLKS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE VOUCHER PROGRAMS ARE NOT COMING FROM THE ROOSEVELT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND COMING FROM SCOTTSDALE AND PARADISE VALLEY AND THE FAMILIES HAVE THE MONEY.

THE OTHER PIECE OF IT COMES DOWN TO HAVE THEY COMING OUT OF PRIVATE PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS AND THAT IS THE DEEP DIVE.

>> Ted: HASN'T THAT HORSE LEFT THE BARN?

>> NO, BECAUSE IT'S UNPREDICTABLE AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, FOR EXAMPLE, PARENTS WILL SAY, WELL, MY KID IS STARTING KINDERGARTEN AND THEY'LL NEVER GO AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL AND STRAIGHT TO ESA AND TENS OF THOUSANDS ARE THINKING THAT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, IT'S COSTLY FOR ARIZONA.

THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE -- SAME SIDE, THE ATE AND HOREN HAS SPENT OVER A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON AN ADVERTISING PROGRAM IN JUNE AND SO THAT COULD BE REACHING PEOPLE AND I BELIEVE THEY TARGETED HISPANIC COMMUNITIES.

PEOPLE MAY BE FILLING OUT APPLICATIONS AS WE SPEAK.

WITH SCHOOL STARTING SOON, I GUESS I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN TO GET THAT NUMBER THAT HIGH.

>> Ted: LEGISLATURE NEXT WEEK TO ADDRESS THIS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN?

>> I DOUBT THE LEGISLATURE WILL ADDRESS ESA'S AND THE REPUBLICANS AREN'T LOSING THEIR MINDS OVER IT.

I WOULD AND THE NEXT WEEK IS PROP 400.

>> Ted: NOTHING AT ALL AND WHAT DID SPEAKER TOMA AND ALLEN MCGUIRE SAID, IT'S WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT.

>> SO WHAT, THESE ARE PARENTS AND ENTITLED TO SEND THEM ANYWHERE WE WANT AND THAT'S BEHIND THE REPUBLICANS.

THE GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS IS WHAT YOU CALL THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND PARENTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR CHILDREN OUT OF GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS AND PUT THEM INTO OTHER SCHOOLS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO LEARN THAT CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND ALL OF THAT.

>> Ted: FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY AND WE WANT PHILOSOPHICAL HERE.

>> PHILOSOPHICAL WITH A PRESS TAG.

>> Ted: KRIS MAYES SAYS BE AWARE.

>> THIS LOOKS LIKE A DOUBLE-SIDED ATTACK ON THE ESA PROGRAM AND YOU KNOW, KRIS MAYES IS BRINGING UP INTERESTING POINTS HOW IF YOUR KID IS ENROLLED IN A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND THEY DECIDE TO KICK THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY THE KID IS DISABLES SAY, THEY CAN DO THAT.

AS LONG THEY DON'T PUT IN WRITING THIS IS WHY WE KICK THE KID OUT, THERE'S NOT MUCH RECOURSE FOR PARENTS.

PARENTS NEED TO REALIZE THAT.

>> Ted: FEDERAL LAWS APPLY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

>> IT WAS A WARNING FROM KRIS MAYES AND NOT AS GREAT AS IT SOUNDS AND PARENTS ARE GETTING FREE MONEY AND REPUBLICANS, I THINK, WERE IRRITATED AND POLITICAL ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS AND IT'S MORE FRUSTRATION WITH MAYES.

>> Ted: IT WAS INTERESTING AND TOM HOREN SEEMED TO AN AGREE.

TO.

>> TO AN EXTENT.

>> Ted: HE BELIEVES THAT IF YOU PUT OUT A SIGN WITH NO BLACKS NEED APPLY, THE SCHOOL WON DO WOULDN'T DO IT.

BUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PRIVATE SCHOOL NOW BEING SET UP UNDER THE VOUCHER SYSTEM DESIGNED TO CATER TO LGBTQ STUDENTS.

SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRIVATE, THESE CAN BE FOR-PROFIT AND THE FEW STATES THAT ALLOW FOR-PROFIT VOUCHERS AND PRIVATE AND PAROCHIAL AND WHAT DO YOU WANT.

>> Ted: CHRISTINA KERSO AND WHY DID SHE REDESIGN?

>> A PRO-ESA WOMAN TO LEAD THE ESA PROGRAM IN JANUARY AND SHE JUST RECENTLY QUIT, SAYING SHE TOOK CARE OF WHAT SHE WANTED TO AND IS DONE NOW.

>> Ted: THE OPERATION'S DIRECTOR RESIGNED AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY WITH THE JOB?

>> I WON WOULDN'T SAY EVERYONE IS HAPPY AND WAS IT FORCED OUT AND THE REASON AND A LOT MORE THAT WILL COME OUT ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY RESPONSE FROM HER AND WE'VE HEARD FROM A SOURCE THEY WERE ESCORTED OUT BY SECURITY AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT.

THERE WAS A HAPPY MESSAGE, AND SHE DID SUCH A GREAT JOB AND NOW SHE'S DONE AND DID SHE HAVE A NICE TIME?

>> THIS HAS GOTTEN WRAPPED UP IN SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S OCCURRED WHERE THEY FOUND OUT THERE WAS A DATA BREACH IN TERMS OF THE ORGANIZATION RUNNING THE PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES THE MONEY AND THAT SOME PARENTS WERE ABLE TO SEE EVERYONE ELSE'S PRIVATE DATA.

TOM HORNE INSISTS THIS WAS A ONE-OFF AND THE NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

PART OF WHAT MAKES EVERYONE SUSPICIOUS, THAT NO FAN OF THE COMPANY THAT HAS THE CONTRACT AND WANTS IT TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THAT'S OUT TO BID NOW.

SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOME Mac VILIAN PLAN.

THE HOME LISTEN SECURITY IS CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION AND I'M WAITING TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.

>> Ted: ONE STUDENT WITH DATA POSSIBLY COMPROMISED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM HORNE AND HOMELAND SECURITY AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AWFULLY CONFUSED NOW.

>> OF COURSE, IT'S CONFUSED AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GIVING US THE STRAIGHT POOP AND NOT THE GOVERNOR AND I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT POLITICAL AGENDAS BEHIND THIS AND SO, I THINK, HOPEFULLY, HOME LISTEN SECURITY,HOMELAND SECURITY BECAUSE THEY REPORT TO HER, WE WILL FIND OUT WHO CAUSED THE LEAK AND WHY.

>> Ted: THE GOVERNOR HAD A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT AND STATEMENT REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION AND SHOULDN'T SHE NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS?

>> IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE SHE SEVEN A NOTE SAYING HAVE YOU REPORTED THIS TO HOMELAND SECURITY AND THEY HAD THE INVESTIGATION AND AGAIN, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE KNEW HOMELAND SECURITY HAD IT.

POLITICS AT PLAY?

I'M SHOCKED.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK PROP 400.

YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PROP 400 BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE THE MAIN TOPIC ONCE THE LEGISLATURE RETURNS, RIGHT?

>> I WAS TEXTING PETERSONSON AND HE SAID THERE WASN'T AN AGREEMENT AND RIGHT BEFORE I GOT HERE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NOW A BILL ON THE HOUSE RULE'S CALENDAR AND THEY'RE COMING BACK ON MONDAY AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DO HAVE SOME SORT OF IDEA.

I DON'T NOW HOW POPULAR OR IF IT WILL PASS OR WHO IS BEHIND IT EXACTLY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 37 FOR TRANSIT AND THIS IS PERCENTAGE OF TAX MONIES AND 40.5 FOR ROADS AND 27.5 FOR ARTERIAL.

>> Ted: LIGHT RAIL?

>> I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE INCLUDED AND DETAILS TO COME AND LIGHT RAIL SPLIT WAS A BIG ISSUE.

>> TWO ISSUES WITH LIGHT RAIL AND EVEN MARICOPA GOVERNMENTS LONG BEFORE THIS POINT SAID, OH, NO, WE'LL FIND OTHER FEDERAL MONEY AND NOW WE'RE DOWN TO, CAN THEY USE IT MORE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION OF THE EXISTING LIGHT RAIL AND YOU CAN'T NOT MAINTAIN IT.

THEN YOU HAVE THE THIRD ISSUE OF, DO YOU EXTEND THE NEW EAST, WEST LINE TO THE CAPITAL AND THAT JUST MAKES CERTAIN LAWMAKERS -- >> Ted: THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NO-GO WITH SOME LAWMAKERS.

>> DAVID FARNSWORST SAIDSWORTH, SAID I WOULD LOVE THAT BECAUSE I COULD GO HOME TO MESA.

>> Ted: A QUESTION REGARDING ALL OF THE OF THIS, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF SURVEYS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND THE HIGH GROUND SHOWING DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, PND'S, INDEPENDENTS, EVERYONE WANTS PROP 400 AND AT LEAST TO HAVE A VOTE.

MARICOPA COUNTY RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE A VOTE AND IS THAT PUSHING ALONG AND THE SENTIMENT, GIVES US A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT.

>> IT MAY BE HELPING THINGS ALONG AND A LOT OF PRESSURE FOR THE THREE LEADERS PUTTING THIS DEAL TOGETHER.

THE SENATE PRESIDENT, THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND GOVERNOR HOBBS.

WHETHER THEY CAN GET ALL OF THE LEGISLATURE IN LINE TO VOTE FOR THIS IS ANOTHER ISSUE.

THEY MAY NOT BE AS AFFECTED, FREEDOM CAUCUS MAY NOT CARE AS MUCH ABOUT THE POLLS OR OTHER THINGS.

>> THIS IS NOT SUPER SURPRISING AND WE KNEW IT WAS POPULAR AND PEOPLE LIKE ROADS TO DRIVE ON AND THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO ADD PRESSURE TO DO THIS AND DO IT NOW.

I THINK THAT THE WHOLE BALLOT MEASURE IDEA FLOATED AROUND IS JUST NOT POPULAR AND JUST PRUDENT AND IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTERESTS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> Ted: ANY TALK FROM WHAT YOU HEAR AND ANY TALK OF THERE BEING A SEPARATE VOTE FOR LIGHT RAIL?

>> THERE WAS, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY I HEARD IT AS OF THIS AFTERNOON.

>> Ted: THAT'S KEY.

>> THAT'S CRUCIAL BECAUSE I THINK RAY TALKS ABOUT THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND FINE, YOU KNOW WE'RE FOR BUILDING MORE ROADS AND JAY LOVES THE IDEA OF IT BEING TO THE STATE LINE BECAUSE THAT'S HIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN QUEEN CREEK LIGHT RAIL DRIVES THEM CRAZY.

I DON'T SEE THEM SEPARATING IT OUT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TALKING A DIFFERENT KIND OF CAMPAIGN OF, DO YOU WANT ROADS OR MASS TRANSIT.

IF WE SEPARATE OUT LIGHT RAIL, WHAT ABOUT THE BUS SYSTEM AND THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT?

WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE?

>> JUST GOING TO SAY ONE OTHER ASPECT THAT WE'RE HEARING, ANOTHER BILL THAT'S BEEN HELD BACK BY THE LEGISLATURE AND CAN STILL GO FORWARD ON MONDAY, WHICH WOULD REPEAL THE RENTAL TAX.

GOVERNOR HOBBS HAS VETOED A VERSION OF THAT AND A NEW VERSION COMING UP AND -- ACTUALLY, IT'S APPROVED, BASICALLY, BY PETERSON OR SPONSORED BY PETERSON AQUA, AND THOUGHT GOVERNOR HOBBS MAY SIGN THAT BILL IN RETURN FOR THE LEGISLATURE GOING FOR PROP 400.

>> Ted: BARGAINING CHIP?

>> RENTAL TAX WAS POPULAR WITH REPUBLICANS AND IT'S SOMETHING AND THERE WAS QUESTION BECAUSE SHE VETOED THE FOOD TAX CUT, WHICH WAS SIMILAR CONCEPT, BUT THIS IS BEING ARGUED AS, LIKE, A REGRESSIVE TAX AGAINST PEOPLE WHO RENT.

>> Ted: THIS WAS PASSED AND DUCEY VETOED THIS LAST GO-AROUND AND THIS WAS PASSED AND WHY NOT JUST SAY DIFFERENT GOVERNOR, SAME BILL?

>> WELL, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT FREEDOM CAUCUS HAS NEW POWERS AND I THINK MAYBE LAST TIME FOLKS VOTED FOR IT KNOWING DUCEY WOULD VETO IT.

DUCEY SAID IT'S A SALES TAX AND HE WAS BUILDING HIS REPUTATION FOR WHAT HE WANTS TO DO OVER THE NEXT TEN TO 20 YEARS.

THEY KNEW IT WASN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

HE DROP-KICKED IT AND BASICALLY KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

>> Ted: MARK FINCHEM WANTS BACK INTO LEGISLATURE AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHERE HE LIVES.

>> SO WHEN HE WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE, HE REPRESENTED ORA VALLEY AND WANTED TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THEN MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER, WHICH MEANS HAVE TO BE THERE AND HE NOW RUNNING AN LD1,1 YAVAPAI AND PRECUT COUNTY AND HE MOVED AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S CLAIMING TO LIVE.

>> Ted: I WANTED TO ASK YOU FIRST BECAUSE I FIGURED YOU WOULD BE AT HIS FRONT DOOR IN NO TIME.

WHATCYWHAT IS IT ABOUT THE ITINERANT NATURE OF OUR LEGISLATURE?

>> IF YOU HAVE THREE HOMES AS WARREN PETERSONSON TOLD ME, PETERSON TOLD ME, YOU CAN PICK ONE, BASICALLY, AND MOVE TO -- OR SAY THAT THIS IS MY ASSIGNED HOUSE AND MAYBE MARK FINCHEM CAN DO THAT IF HE OWNS PROPERTY AND JUST HAS TO -- >> Ted: A DOUBLE-WIDE UP THERE IN PRESCOTT OR JUST RENT A ROOM IN A SUPPORTER'S HOUSE, MAYBE, OR SAY YOU'RE RENTING A ROOM AND YEAH, MARK FINCHEM HAS THREE ADDRESSES AND VOTED FROM THIS PHOENIX ADDRESS AND THAT'S WHAT HE MAY USE FOR THE MARICOPA COUNTY RUN AND HE HAS THIS MOBILE HOME IN PRESCOTT THAT HE'S USING AN ADDRESS FOR AND SO, YEAH, IT'S HIS CHOICE.

>> I DON'T THINK HE CAN BACK OUT OF THE PRESCOTT THING.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE SIGNED, NOT JUST THE STATEMENT OF INTENT, WHICH IS A NEW THING UNDER STATE LAW, BUT THE SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN SIGNATURES ONLINE FOR YOUR NOMINATING PETITIONS, IT SAYS THERE, THIS IS MY RESISTANCE AND SEEK NO OTHER OFFICE FOR THIS TERM.

HE LISTED AN ADDRESS ON SHILOH INDUSTRY, I'M HERE ANDDRIVE AND I'M FILING NOW IN MARICOPA COUNTY, HAS HE FILED EDA FALSE DOCUMENT.

>> THERE'S TIME TO DECIDE AND THE LAW SAYS HE HAS TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT A YEAR BEFORE HE IS ELECTED THERE.

AND SO, HE COULD, YOU KNOW -- >> Ted: A FEW MONTHS.

>> TO DECIDE WHETHER HE'S A RECORDER.

>> Ted: HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MENTION THIS, BUT HE WOULD BE PRIMARYIED AGAINST KEN, WHO I BELIEVE HE LIVES IN PRESCOTT AND HE'S A NATIVE OF PRESCOTT.

THAT COULD BE A ROUGH AND TUMBLE AFFAIR.

>> I THOUGHT I HEARD STEVE ZIFFERMAN WAS GOING TO RUN AND I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD SEE THAT WORKING OUT.

NOT ONLY WAS HE SENATE PRESIDENT BUT THE SECRETARY OF STATE.

>> Ted: WHY IS HE DOING THIS, HOWIE?

>> KEN IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH.

>> Ted: HE WAS A PART OF THE AUDIT.

>> HE WASN'T ONE OF THE CRAZIES.

THIS IS A GUY WHO ASKED FOR CERTIFICATION OF BARACK OBAMA.

IF YOU'RE NOT PURE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU'RE A PART OF THE PARTY SYSTEM AND THAT'S HOW A LOT SEE CANADIAN KEN BENNETT AND HE'S NOT SAYING I WANT ONE VOTE, ONE DAY AND NO EARLY VOTING AND NO ABSENTEE VOTING AND SO THEREFORE, HE'S NOT CONSIDERED PURE.

THE OTHER PIECE OF IT AND YOU MENTION ED THIS IS SECOND PERSON RUNNING AGAIN KEN IS THAT THE SECOND PERSON IS A MAGA PERSON AS IS FINCHEM, THAT HE HAS THE MAGA VOTE AND JUST WALKS US IN AND REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS AND HE WINS THE PRIMARY AND HE'S IN.

>> Ted: JUST SURPRISES ME.

I CAN SEE HIM WANTING TO PRIMARY RICHER AND THAT PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES THERE.

YOU HAVE KEN BENNETT AND WHY STIR THE HORNET'S NEST THERE?

>> KEN BENNETT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING THE PARANOIA THAT THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS HAVE AND A PANACEA FOR RAMPING THINGS DOWN AND HE HAS A BILL THAT MIGHT GO UP MONDAY, AS YOU HEARD, THAT IT'S ANOTHER CHANCE THAT THIS IDEA THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO VIEW PICTURES OF BALLOT IMAGES TO DO THEIR OWN BALLOT REVIEW.

AND THAT'S A CONCEPT SUPPORTED BY PEOPLE LIKE ADRIAN FONTES.

EVEN THOUGH HE WASN'T, OBVIOUSLY, OVERSEEING THE AUDIT, HE IS THE FACE OF THE MORE REASONABLE ELECTION IDEAS AT THIS POINT.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND FUNDRAISING AND DEMOCRATS HAVE RAISED TEN TIMES MORE MONEY IN ARIZONA THAN THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

KELLY WARD ISN'T EVEN THERE ANYMORE.

>> SHE IS GETTING BLAMED FOR THE REPUBLICAN'S PARTY WITH FUNDRAISING SO FAR AND I WOULD SAY THEY STILL HAVE TIME AND I DON'T KNOW THE REPUBLICANS WILL FAIL IN THE NEXT ELECTION BUT YES, DEMOCRATS AT THE MOMENT DOING WELL.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS, HOWIE?

>> THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO GIVE MONEY TO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WERE NOT FUNNELING IT TO ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY BUT THE YUMA REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE AND YCRC COULD GIVE IT OUT AND WHO DO YOU TRUST WITH YOUR MONEY?

IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN CAT CAT FAT CAT AND DIDN'T SHE RUN UP HUGE LEGAL BILLS OVER THE IDEA OF WE'RE STILL FIGHTING OF WHETHER TRUMP WAS ELECTED AND WHERE CAN I GET MY MONEY SPENT IN.

>> Ted: ARE THE AFOREMENTIONED FAT CATS SIT IT OUT RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK SOME ARE AND MAKE THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE REACHABLE AS THE NEW PARTY CHAIRMAN, JEFF DEWITT REMAKING IT AND THE FUNDRAISING IS A PART OF THAT AND THEY TELL ME THAT THEY DO HOPE THAT IN A FEW MONTHS, WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THEY'RE THE GOOD GUYS, THAT THEY'LL OPEN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS.

BUT THERE'S THE POSSIBLY THEY'RE FINDING OTHER CHANNELS AND COULD BE INDEPENDENT EXPOSURES AND IT MIGHT BE STUFF THAT WE ARE NOT -- DIRECT CONTRIBUTIONS, RIGHT.

>> THERE'S LIMITS AND THE INTERESTING THING WITH THE IE'S, WE HAVE TWO THING WITH PROPS AND THEY'RE CALLED "ARIZONA FOR ARIZONA" AND YOU NEVER FIND OUT WHO GAVE TO IT.

ASSUMING THE FEDERAL AND STATE COURTS UPHOLD THIS AND THAT MEANS THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS FIND GIVING THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY, THE INDEPENDENT EXPOSURES MAY NOT BE AS ANONYMOUS AS THEY WERE HOPING.

>> Ted: ALL SIDES NOTICE THAT THIS IS INDICATIVE OF A LITTLE BUILT OF A CIVIL WAR AND NOT A LITTLE BUILT, BUT A FULL BLOWN CIVIL WAR IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

>> THAT'S BEEN THE CASE AS LONG I'VE BEEN HERE AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR AND EVEN THE LEGISLATURE, WE HAVE BOLICK SAYING PUBLICALLY, THAT SHE DOESN'T APPROVE OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND THERE'S BEEN A DIVISION AND DEMOCRATS, I THINK, SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ONE SEAT IN THE LEGISLATURE.

>> Ted: SPEAKING OF DEMOCRATS AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE LEGISLATURE, THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE, BUT THIS MORNING CONSULT POLLS SHOWING NOT A SINGLE GOVERNOR IS UNDERWATER AND BUT GOVERNOR HOBBS IS NEXT TO LAST ON THIS LIST.

>> I THINK THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS GLOBBED ONTO LIKE, YEAH, SHE'S THE WORST AND ABOVE WATER AND WHOEVER OREGON HAD.

>> Ted: SHE'S 47 APPROVAL AND 40% NOT APPROVING AND, AGAIN, YOU TAKE THOSE NUMBERS OUT OF THE LIST AND, I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL ABOVE WATER HERE.

>> STILL ABOVE WATER AND MORE TO THE POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GOALTENDERRINGGLOATINGABOUT THIS, KARI LAKE IS UNDERWATER AND MORE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE HER WHO SAY, I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR THIS WOMAN.

EVEN AS KARI IS SAYING LOOK, MAYBE I'LL RUN FOR SENATE AND SO, IT'S ALL RELATIVE.

I MEAN, YES, KATI MAY BE KATIE IS HERE AND KARI IS DOWN HERE.

>> Ted: THERE HAVE BEEN MISSTEPS AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE BUDGET AGREEMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE NUMBERS?

>> WELL, SHE'S NOT LAUGHED AND THAT'S GOOD.

>> Ted: TRUE.

>> THERE'S BEEN OTHER POLLS NOT DOING AS WELL AS SHE COULD BE, I GUESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHE HASN'T MADE ANY MAJOR MISSTEPS AND YOU KNOW, AND I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS RANKINGS, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL.

>> Ted: SEVEN PERCENTAGE POINT UP.

>> IMAGINE IF TH