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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING WHAT CAMPAIGN FUND-RAISING REPORTS SAY ABOUT THIS YEAR'S STATEWIDE THE RACES?

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT, HOWIE FISCHER XR CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES, BOB CHRISTIE ALSO FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES, AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ FROM KJZZ RADIO.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HOWIE, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU.

QUARTERLY REPORTS ARE IN, START WITH THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, LOOKS LIKE SHE'S IN GOOD SHAPE, INTERESTED IN THE REPUBLICAN OPPOSITION, THAT'S WHERE THE FIGHT REALLY IS.

>> DEFINITELY WHERE THE FIGHT IS.

OF COURSE, EVERYONE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO THEY GET ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THIS?

YOU'VE GOT KARRIN TAYLOR ROBSON, WHO HAS MORE CASH ON-HAND AND 2.2 MILLION OF THAT IS HER OWN MONEY.

GOOD TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH IS THE OTHER FOLKS FIGHTING TO SAY HOW DO WE GO AHEAD AND GET OUT THERE.

ANDY BIGGS HAS THE ABILITY BECAUSE HE'S IN THE SENATE, TO COMMAND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EARNED MEDIA.

HE CAN CALL A PRESS CONFERENCE.

HE'S DONE IT ALMOST INCESSANTLY, AND YOU'VE GOT DAVID SCHWEIKERT WHO HAS MONEY LEFT OVER FROM A CONGRESSIONAL CAMPAIGN.

HE CAN MOVE SOME OF THAT OVER.

DOESN'T HAVE A LOT.

DID SOME 15 SECOND COMMERCIALS UP ON THE AIR BUT HAS YET TO CATCH FIRE.

TED: DAVID SCHWEIKERT, COMING FROM CONGRESS, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FUNDING MECHANISMS.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AS FAR AS THEIR CANDIDACIES AND HOW -- WHAT SHAPE THEY'RE IN?

>> ALL THREE OF THEM NEED TO BROADEN THEIR APPEAL TO ALL OF ARIZONA.

CONGRESSMAN BIGGS OBVIOUSLY WELL KNOWN IN THE EAST VALLEY OF PHOENIX, MESA, WHERE HE'S REPRESENTED FOR 15 YEARS OR 17 YEARS BETWEEN THE ARIZONA SENATE AND IN CONGRESS FOR A DECADE NOW.

SAME WITH CONGRESSMAN SCHWEIKERT.

HE'S GOT SCOTTSDALE.

THEY'RE NOT KNOWN STATEWIDE, REALLY, AND NEITHER IS KARRIN TAYLOR ROBSON.

SHE HAS SPENT UNTOLD AMOUNTS OF HER OWN MONEY AND OTHER MONEY JUST FOUR YEARS AGO RUNG FOR GOVERNOR.

SO SHE'S GOT A LEG UP AS FAR AS MAYBE STATEWIDE RECOGNITION.

ALL THREE HAVE TO REINTRODUCE THEMSELVES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE THIS CYCLE, CONGRESSMAN SCHWEIKERT IS UP ON THE AIR NOW SAYING I'M DAVID SCHWEIKERT, THIS IS WHAT I STAND FOR IN SHORT LITTLE BITS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS PART OF THE CAMPAIGN IS ABOUT.

REMINDING PEOPLE WHO THEY ARE, INTRODUCING THEM TO PEOPLE WHO NEVER HEARD OF THEM AND HOPEFULLY BUILDING MOMENTUM.

TED: CAMRYN, THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, AND WE LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, THE GOVERNOR 6.2 MILLION ON-HAND.

>> SITTING ON THAT NEST FOR A WHILE AND BUILDING IT UP.

SPEAKING TO THE FACT SHE'S BEEN THE CANDIDATE FOR A LONG TIME.

THE DEMOCRATS KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO BE THE CANDIDATE AND USED THAT BIG MACHINE.

HER MONEY IS PARTLY FROM HER HISTORY, AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW SHE SPENDS IT IN THE RIGHT PLACES BECAUSE SHE HAS THE RECOGNITION, PEOPLE KNOW WHO THE GOVERNOR IS, IS SHE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY ON TOP AND STAY UP IN THE NOT SO MUCH THE PRIMARY BUT THE GENERAL.

>> A LOT OF MEDIA CAMPAIGN.

SHE'S NOT GOOD IN MEET-AND-GREET STUFF.

I DON'T SEE HER GOING OUT THERE AND SHAKING HANDS AND KISSING BABIES AND DOING THE REST OF THAT.

MANY OF HER AVAILABILITY, SHE DOESN'T TALK TO THE PRESS.

SHE HAD SEVERAL THIS WEEK THAT WAY.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING WALL TO WALL COMMERCIALS OF I'M HERE, LOOK HOW GREAT THINGS ARE.

THAT GETS INTO THE QUESTION, DO YOU BELIEVE THINGS ARE BETTER?

THAT'S THE OLD IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID.

EVERYBODY HAS A THEORY IS THE ECONOMY BETTER THAN IT WAS, OR TRUMP'S FAULT OR BIDEN'S FAULT.

TED: THAT'S A GOOD POINT, THREE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE SAYING THAT THINGS AREN'T VERY GREAT AND POINTING AT THE GOVERNOR.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, AND AGAIN, HOW MUCH OF IT STICKS TO THE GOVERNOR AND HOW MUCH GETS DEFLECTED TO REPUBLICANS AND PRESIDENT TRUMP OR FORMER PRESIDENT BIDEN.

A GOVERNOR CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH.

SHE IS FOCUSED, SHE SAID REPEATEDLY IN HER STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT AFFORDABILITY IS HER MAIN FOCUS.

HER BUDGET ROLL-OUT, SUCH AS IT WAS, AND WHETHER IT WON'T GO ANYWHERE, BUT SHE HAS AFFORDABILITY, THINGS IN THERE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT HIT AND HIT AND HIT.

DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO RUN ON THAT.

SHE'S GOT $6 MILLION.

SHE RAISED 15 SINCE HER LAST ELECTION, SINCE SHE WON AS GOVERNOR.

WHERE THE OTHER 8 MILLION WENT?

>> THAT'S THE POINT.

SHE'S BURNING THROUGH IT TO BUILD THE EMPIRE TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT OF THE MEDIA PRESENCE AND DO THE EVENTS.

TRAVEL AROUND THE STATE, WITH A VIDEOGRAPHER IN TOW.

WE'LL BE SEEING THOSE IN LOTS OF COMMERCIALS.

YOU CAN WIN A RACE STRICTLY BASED ON VIDEOS?

MAYBE.

TED: CAMRYN, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

THESE ARE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND PEOPLE THAT FOLLOW POLITICS LOOK AT THE NUMBERS CLOSELY BECAUSE IT SHOWS WHO HAS MOMENTUM, WHO'S GETTING INTEREST, WHO'S LEFT BEHIND?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN OVERALL FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE?

ARE THERE TEA LEAVES HERE?

>> HAVING MONEY IS A GOOD THING, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING IT HELPS WIN RACES, IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE OF ANYTHING.

I WOULD NOTE FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T PAY ATTENTION MUCH, THIS IS STILL SOMEWHAT EARLY, AND PEOPLE LIKE SCHWEIKERT WHO JUMPED INTO THE RACE LATE, I WOULD TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, HE COULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL AT FUND-RAISING LATER ON, BUT HE'S JUMPING IN LAST.

>> THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS, IF ONE OF THESE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES HAD SUPEREXCEPTIONAL POLLING AND IT WAS WELL KNOWN ACROSS THE NATION, YOU WOULD SEE A BUNCH OF CHECKS WRITTEN FOR THAT PERSON.

WE DON'T SEE THAT YET.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TELLS YOU ABOUT ARIZONA, BUT WHAT IT TELLS ME IS, NOBODY HAS A HEAD START YET AND THE MONEY IS NOT FLOWING.

TED: CAMRYN, BACK TO YOU.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RACE, KRIS MAYES, NO SELF-FUNDING ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, THE CANDIDATE WITH THE MOST MONEY ON-HAND IS RODNEY GLASSMAN.

>> YES!

HE DONATED A LOT OF MONEY TO HIMSELF AS HOWIE LIKES TO POINT OUT.

HE IS DOING FUND-RAISING SO FAR.

MAYES IS NEXT AND PETERSEN IN THIRD, BUT THEY ALL HAVE WITHIN A MILLION OR SO DOLLARS OF ONE ANOTHER, NOT SO CRAZY FOR PETERSEN TO HAVE LESS.

>> WITH ANDY BIGGS, HE HAS A PLATFORM, ASSUMING HE STAYS, ALL SORTS OF REPORTS, WILL HE QUIT AS SENATE PRESIDENT?

DOES ALLOW HIM TO DO FUND-RAISING, AS A LEGISLATOR YOU CAN'T TAKE MONEY DURING THE SESSION.

HE HAS A PLATFORM.

HE'S A SENATE PRESIDENT, GETS A CERTAIN AMOUNT ATTENTION, A FULL-TIME PAID PRESS AIDE TO PUT OUT STATEMENTS AND THAT BUYS A LOT OF MEDIA.

TED: WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS SAY ABOUT THIS RACE?

>> IT SAYS IT'S -- THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO SLUG IT OUT.

RODNEY GLASSMAN IS A PERENNIAL CANDIDATE.

WE'VE ALL COVERED HIM FOR A DECADE AS HE RUNS AND DOESN'T WIN.

YOU LOOK AT HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORTS, THEY DON'T SHOW A GROUNDSWELL OF GRASSROOTS CHECK WRITING, IT'S RODNEY GLASSMAN AND SUPPORTERS, THAT SO FAR OVER THE DECADE HAS NOT TRANSLATED INTO LARGE DONATIONS THAT WIN RACES.

TED: ADRIAN FONTES SPENT ABOUT 380,000, HAS 400,000 ON HAND.

WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS RACE FROM THE NUMBERS?

>> RESPECTABLE.

I EXPECT COLA DEN IS GOING TO HAVE THAT SECT OF THE POPULATION AS YOU EXPECT.

IT'S GREAT GOING INTO THE PRIMARIES BUT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

FONTES HAS NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT GOING INTO THE GENERAL, LIKE HOBBS.

TED: THAT'S A GREAT POINT, OUTSIDE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONEY BEING RAISED RIGHT NOW.

THE OUTSIDE MONEY IS BUBBLING OUT THERE.

THAT COULD TOTALLY UPEND A BURN OF STUFF, COULDN'T IT?

>> OF COURSE IT CAN.

IN THIS RACE, THERE'S ONE REPUBLICAN, ONE DEMOCRAT, NO PRIMARY TO BATTLE OUT, AND SO I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING, SAYING WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY, ARE THESE RACES WINNABLE?

CAN ALEXANDER COL DIN, IS IT WORTH PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE RACE?

ONE OTHER FACTOR IN TERMS OF WHY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE RACE.

USED TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE WAS NEXT IN LINE FOR GOVERNOR.

THIS WILL BE THE FIRST ELECTION THE GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION WILL CHOOSE LIEUTENANT GOVERNORS WHICH MAKES THE SECRETARY OF STATE THIRD IN LINE, SO PEOPLE AREN'T AS INTERESTED IN THAT.

TED: SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION TOM HORNE, KIMBERLY YEE, THE DEMOCRATS NO ONE REALLY, IS BUT 160 PAST THAT SO FAR.

WE'LL SEE, THAT WILL CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS EDUCATION, BUT EVERYONE IS WATCHING HORNE VERSUS YEE.

>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A SLUGFEST.

REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE TOM HORNE, FORMER SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION WHO WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL, GOT DEFEATED BY MARK BRNOVICH IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY SEEKING RE-ELECTION, SOMEHOW REINVENTED HIMSELF, WON SUPERINTENDENT OF INSTRUCTION AGAIN AND HE'S IN CHARGE OF KIMBERLY YEE THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND SHE'S GOT A MACHINE BEHIND HER.

SHE WANTED TO BE GOVERNOR, BUT WHEN WE GOT ROBSON AND BIGGS, SHE CHANGED FOCUS TO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SHE WANTS TO STAY IN THE GAME.

TOM HORNE WANTS TO STAY IN THE GAME.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AUGUST.

>> THIS IS ALSO OUTSIDE MONEY.

LOOK FOR TURNING POINT AND THE FOLKS FROM THE LEGISLATIVE FREEDOM CAUCUS TO FIND WAYS TO FUNNEL MONEY TO HER CAMPAIGN.

THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE.

NOT SO MUCH WHAT SHE RAISES BUT WHAT THE OUTSIDERS PUT IT.

TED: THE DEMOCRATS DO RELATIVELY WELL WITH THE EDUCATION RACE, SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, AS FAR AS MONEY IS CONCERNED, NOT THERE YET, BUT IT'S EARLY.

>> I DANG NEAR FORGOT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.

I WAS REMINDED OF THE FOLKS RUNNING TODAY.

ONE I DIDN'T KNOW, THE OTHER IS NEWBIE.

THERE IS STILL TIME.

LET'S WAIT AND SEE.

>> AND IF YEE AND LEARN BLOODY EACH OTHER.

TED: THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> AND IF IT'S A DEMOCRATIC YEAR OR A REPUBLICAN YEAR, THERE'S COATTAILS THERE.

TED: AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT TALK ABOUT OUTSIDE FUNDING, EMILY'S LIST CAME OUT AND SAID WE'RE HERE, DON'T FORGET ABOUT US.

>> THERE ARE THE PAC -- THE GOVERNOR HAS A PAC, TURNING POINT ACTION HAS A PAC.

THIS PRIVATE OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL FUND-RAISING CYCLE MONEY PLAYS A GREATER AND GREATER ROLE IN OUR ELECTIONS NOWADAYS.

IT'S HOW IT IS.

TED: REFERRAL REGARDING RESTRICTIONS, YOU CAN'T DO EARLY BALLOTS BEFORE FRIDAY OF THE ELECTION.

TALK TO US ABOUT THIS.

>> THIS HAS BECOME A TALKING POINT FOR REPUBLICANS.

THE ARGUMENT IS, LOOK HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO GET ELECTION RETURNS.

PART OF IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THEIR EARLY BALLOTS AND RATHER THAN MAIL THEM BACK, THEY BRING THEM INTO AN ELECTION OFFICE ON ELECTION DAY, WHICH MEANS FIRST THEY HAVE TO COUNT THE BALLOTS OR CAST THERE, AND VERIFY THE BALLOTS, AND THEN THEY CAN OPEN THE ENVELOPE.

THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE 280,000 OF THESE IN MARICOPA COUNTY ALONE.

THE ARGUMENT IS, OKAY, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY IF YOU WANT TO TURN IN YOUR BALLOT AT LAST MINUTE, YOU CAN'T JUST DROP IT OFF AT ANY OFFICE, YOU HAVE TO DROP IT OFF BY 5:00 P.M.

ON FRIDAY AND WE CAN COUNT IT.

THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHETHER THERE IS INTERNATIONAL MONEY SPREAD IN RACES.

THE PROBLEM BECOMES, YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE NORTH OF 80% OF ARIZONANS WHO LIKE TO VOTE EARLY.

THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM IF YOU DROP IT BACK IN THE MAIL.

IF YOU HAPPEN TO LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST-MINUTE, ONCE YOU'VE THROWN IN THE LAST MINUTE PUBLICITY, YOU CAN'T CALL IT BACK, AND THEY LIKE WAITING.

IS IT REALLY GOING TO CATCH FIRE WITH A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO SAY, WAIT A SECOND, I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE THAT.

>> SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS IMPORTANT, CHANGES THE WAY EARLY BALLOTS WORK.

ONCE YOU SIGN UP FOR THE EARLY BALLOT LIST IN ARIZONA, THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR 25 YEARS, YOU GET YOUR BALLOT EVERY YEAR IN THE MAIL.

NEW PROPOSAL, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WILL BE IN FRONT OF VOTERS UNLESS SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T PASS IT, YOU HAVE TO RE-SIGN UP EVERY TWO YEARS AND SHOW THEM, CONFIRM YOUR ADDRESS.

THIS SAN ELECTION SECURITY ISSUE FOR THE REPUBLICANS, BUT FOR FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR GREATER PARTICIPATION, WE'RE GOING TO DROP A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF THE EARLY VOTING LIST.

TED: CAMRYN, THIS IS REFERRAL HERE.

THE GOVERNOR VETOED THIS STUFF BEFORE, THIS GOES AROUND THE GOVERNOR STRAIGHT TO THE VOTER.

THE IDEA IS, HEY, VOTERS, WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO VOTE EARLY?

>> THAT'S WHY THE PRETTY PACKAGING MATTERS.

WE'RE CALLING IT THE SECURE ARIZONA VOTES ACT OR VOTE SECURE, SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT THINK THAT VOTING IS NOT SECURE BUT THIS IS GOING TO SECURE IT, AND PEOPLE WILL HOPEFULLY LIKE THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR RESULTS FASTER, AND PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE SIGNING AWAY RIGHTS TO PROCRASTINATE, BUT THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING STUFF DONE FASTER.

IS THAT GOING TO WEIGH PEOPLE'S DESIRE TO VOTE IN DIFFERENT WAYS?

PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY THE CONVENIENCE OF VOTING LAST MINUTE.

I VOTE IN PERSON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT KARI LAKE WANTS.

>> INTERESTING THING HOW THIS IS WRITTEN.

THERE'S A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, IT HAS SIX BULLET POINTS, I REREAD IT MULTIPLE TIMES THIS WEEK.

FIRST ONE SAYS YOU CAN ONLY VOTE ONCE IF YOU ARE A UNITED STATES CITIZEN, WHICH IS THE LAW NOW.

WHY ARE WE STARTING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WITH THAT?

BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO READ THE BOOKLETS WILL READ THAT, SOME SMALL PERCENTAGE OR HOPEFULLY LARGER PERCENTAGE IF YOU ARE REPUBLICANS WILL SAY THAT'S WHAT I WANT.

I ONLY WANT U.S.

CITIZENS VOTING.

WHY IS IT IN THERE?

TED: CAN THE CRITICS ARGUE THIS CREATES CONFUSION, THE DEMOCRATS ARGUE IT IS SLOPPY, THE LANGUAGE IS TOO VAGUE, CAN THAT BE USED IN A CAMPAIGN AGAINST THIS?

>> I THINK IT CAN.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE ON THE NO SIDE OF A BALLOT MEASURE.

NO SIDE STARTS OFF WITH 60%, WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED, THEY VOTE NO, AND I THINK YOU COULD SAY REALLY?

FOR EXAMPLE THE ISSUE OF HAVING TO PROVIDE FREE I.D., IF I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR MY DRIVER'S LICENSE, THE STATE HAS TO PROVIDE ME WITH A FRY I.D.?

HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE LOSE THERE?

IF YOU THROW ENOUGH STUFF AT IT, IT WILL WORK.

THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS, WHILE POLITICIANS AND THOSE OF US IN THE PRESS LOVE EARLY RESULTS, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVERYONE OUT THERE NEEDED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KATIE HOBBS WON OR WHATEVER.

THE BELIEF IS THAT SOMEHOW SOMEBODY'S IN THE BACK SHOP AND THEY'RE SHOVING ADDITIONAL THINGS THROUGH, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED, BUT THAT'S THE CONSPIRACY.

TED: WE GO BACK AGAIN, AND CAMRYN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS SO MUCH BECAUSE OF ELECTION REFORM, BUT BACK IN THE STAI DAY WHEN THIS STATE WAS SOLIDLY ONE COLOR AND NOT SO MUCH THE OTHER, THESE WERE BLOWOUT RACES, A.P.

WOULD MAKE A DECISION BEFORE YOU HAD DINNER.

NOW, THE RACES ARE A LOT CLOSER AND WHEN THEY'RE CLOSER, THEY TAKE LONGER TO COUNT.

>> MAYBE IT'S JUST YOU GETTING SLOWER.

JOKING, JOKING, JOKING.

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHEN RACES WERE BLOWOUTS, NOBODY CARED THEY TOOK FOREVER.

NOW THAT THEY'RE TIGHT, PEOPLE WANT THE RESULTS NOW.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY ELECTIONS WORK.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.

>> THE TRUST HAS BEEN THERE MOST ALL SINCE 2020.

THAT JUST GIVES THE SEED TIME TO RIPEN AND GROW, THE EXTRA WAITING PERIOD, TWO DAYS, THREE, FOUR DAYS AND PEOPLE LIKE TO SPREAD RUMORS AND SAY THIS LIKES TO GO ON BECAUSE THERE'S A NEFARIOUS REASON FOR IT.

>> 2024, STOP THE COUNT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WENT THE OTHER WAY.

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, KEEP THE COUNT, KEEP THE COUNT.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAD PEOPLE MASSED OUTSIDE THE ELECTION CENTER.

TED: PINAL COUNTY WITH THE 287 AGREEMENT.

SOUNDS LIKE AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT SIGN ONTO THE AGREEMENT HAD NO IDEA THAT THE DEAL WAS DONE.

>> EXACTLY.

PINAL COUNTY ATTORNEY BRAD MILLER, VERY CONSERVATIVE, I THINK HE HAS LARGER THINGS IN MIND FOR DOWN THE ROAD, HAS BEEN A BIG FAN OF HOT IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

ALWAYS A HOT ISSUE IN PINAL COUNTY.

HE SAID, GREAT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND COOPERATE.

THE 287G GIVES OFFICERS, POLICE OFFICERS THE ABILITY TO DO CERTAIN KINDS OF IMMIGRATION.

THEY GET TRAINING IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING IMMIGRANTS, HOW TO HANDLE THEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE THIS IN JAILS.

YOU GOT SOMEBODY IN JAIL, THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY, YOU GO AHEAD AND SAY WANT TO PUT A HOLD ON THEM, THAT'S EASY.

THE QUESTION IS TO YOU WANT OFFICERS DOING IT?

PINAL COUNTY SUPERVISORS HEARD ABOUT THE DEAL AND SAID SAY WHAT?

PARTICULARLY AND I THINK PART OF IT IS BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN MINNEAPOLIS, IN MINNESOTA, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE TAINTED WITH THAT, AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WHY THE TELL DIDN'T YOU TELL US IN THE FIRST PLACE.

TED: AND THE LEGAL OPINION SAYS THE BOARD HAS A POINT.

>> BOARD ABSOLUTELY HAS A RIGHT.

MOST OF THE AGREEMENTS ARE BETWEEN SHERIFF'S OFFICES THAT RUN THE JAIL AND THE D.O.J., AND AS HOWIE SAID, WHAT THEY DO IS WHEN SOMEONE GETS BOOKED IN THE JAIL, THEY RUN THEM THROUGH THE DATABASE USING FEDERAL AUTHORITY THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED, AND IF SOMEONE COMES UP AS NOT BEING A CITIZEN, THEY NOTIFY I.C.E., I.C.E.

CAN PICK THEM UP.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS.

WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BRAD MILLER, HE HAS TEN INVESTIGATORS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED UNDER THE 287G PROGRAM TO QUESTION PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND ARREST THEM.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THE REST OF ARIZONA HAS HISTORICALLY DONE.

THAT'S WHAT KICKS THE CAN, WHEN PINAL COUNTY INVESTIGATED, HAD A VERY INVESTIGATE IT, THAT'S NOT AUTHORIZED AND WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

TED: AND THE BOARD SAID IT'S VOID?

>> THEY DECLARED THAT.

THERE'S A QUESTION.

I.C.E.

SEEMS TONG THE AGREEMENT IS IN THE WORKS UNTIL THEY OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAYS IT'S NOT.

THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

THESE ARE WITH SHERIFF'S OFFICES FOR EXAMPLE AND I.C.E., BUT THIS IS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDING ABOUT PRESSING CHARGES SO, IT'S STRANGE TO HAVE THEM GOING AFTER PEOPLE, AND THEN AGREEING TO PRESS CHARGES.

LIKE THE LAW AND ORDER BECOMING ONE.

TED: TOO MUCH CONSOLIDATION.

>> IN A WAY WE USUALLY DON'T LIKE IN GOVERNMENT.

TED: CAMRYN, I WANT TO STICK WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED ON 12 NEWS, HE HAD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ON, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS IN ARIZONA, WHICH WE HAVE, AND THE IDEA OF MASKED PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY ARE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION AGENTS, PERHAPS DOING THINGS YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO DO.

WHAT DID THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAY?

>> AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS BUT IN RESPONSE TO THE I.C.E.

ACTIVITY THAT WE'VE SEEN, AND THE QUESTION THAT A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE IS WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT WHERE SOMEONE WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY WORK FOR CBP, I.C.E.

OR THE POLICE, IF THEY'RE A RANDOM PERSON, IF THEY'RE COMING UP TO YOU, IF YOU'RE SCARE, ARE YOU TO FIGHT BACK?

ALLOWED TO FIGHT BACK?

WHAT ATTORNEY GENERAL MAYES WAS SAYING IT'S A FRAUGHT SITUATION WHERE EVERYONE IS TENSE, PEOPLE ARE SCARED AND IN ARIZONA, WE HAVE STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS, SO IF SOMEONE IS COMING UP TO YOU AND YOU'RE AFRAID, YES, THERE'S THE DOCTRINE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DEFEND YOURSELF AND, OF COURSE, THIS WAS NOT TAKEN WELL BUT PRETTY MUCH ANY REPUBLICAN EVER SAYING SHE'S INCITING VIOLENCE, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO HURT I.C.E.

OFFICERS AND MURDER PEOPLE, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS HOW SHE WOULD PHRASE IT, BUT YEAH WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN A GREAT SITUATION.

>> THE PROBLEM BECOMES KRIS MAYES IS SMART LEGALLY.

SOMETIMES THE POLITICS, SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.

SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WE HAVE STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS, REPUBLICANS PUSHED THROUGH, WHICH SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- IF IT'S YOUR HOUSE, YOUR CAR, ANYPLACE YOU ARE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO BE, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO STAIRS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RETREAT, AND YOU'RE ENTITLED TO USE REASONABLE OR DEADLY FORCE AS APPROPRIATE.

AND SHE SAID, LOOK, THIS IS STATE WHERE EVERYBODY OWNS A GUN, AND IT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER.

OBVIOUSLY, AS CAMRYN POINTED OUT, THE REPUBLICAN SAYING YOU'RE TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO GET AWAY WITH SHOOTING POLICE.

NOT EXACTLY.

SHE'S NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

REPUBLICANS HAVE POINTS.

HAVE YOU POLICE OFFICERS, YOU HAVE S.W.A.T.

TEAMS, UNDERCOVER NARCOTICS PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP AND BURST THROUGH THE DOOR.

NOW THE QUESTION BECOMES THERE, WHAT DO YOU DO?

WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS AROUND THE NATION WHERE POLICE HAVE BURST IN.

ALL SHE WAS SAYING IS HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

TED: HERE'S A QUOTE, BOB, IF YOU'RE BEING ATTACKED BY SOMEONE NOT IDENTIFIED AS A PEACE OFFER, HOW DO YOU KNOW?

>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK HER POINT WAS.

WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, I.C.E.

AGENTS AND FEDERAL AGENTS WEARING MASKS, NOT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES IN A LOT OF WAYS, AND WHAT'S THE AVERAGE CITIZEN SUPPOSED TO DO, IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AT THEIR FRONT DOOR?

SHE'S POINTING OUT, LISTEN, WE HAVE A LEGAL DOCTRINE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

IF THEY'RE NOT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES AND CLEARLY VISIBLE AS POLICE OFFICERS, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN?

I DON'T THINK SHE ENCOURAGED ANYONE TO DO THAT.

SHE POINTED OUT WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN, AND IT IS -- IT'S A REASONABLE THING TO RAISE.

WHAT DO YOU DO IF SOMEONE COMES THROUGH YOUR DOOR AT MIDNIGHT, WHO'S NOT IDENTIFIED AS A POLICE OFFICER, WHO MAY BE DRESSED IN A CAMOUFLAGE WAY WITH A MASK ON?

WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO?

WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN.

>> AND A LOT OF THIS COMES DOWN TO THE RELATED QUESTION OF IMMUNITY.

THAT'S BEEN RAISED, J.D.

VANCE IN TERMS OF THE SITUATION IN MINNEAPOLIS SAID I.C.E.

AGENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY IMMUNE AND TOOK THAT BACK AND SAID THAT'S NOT TRUE.

HERE'S THE OTHER THING DEVELOPING, MAYES SET UP A WEBSITE ON HER PAGE TO SAY, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, IF YOU WILL, WHERE PEOPLE CAN REPORT THINGS, THEY CAN UPLOAD PICTURES, THEY CAN UPLOAD VIDEOS, AND I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED IS GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAS HAPPENED ELSEWHERE, THE ONLY WAY WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IS NOT BECAUSE I.C.E.

SURRENDERED VIDEOS BUT THE OUTSIDERS HAVE.

THE WHOLE THING WITH NICOLE GOOD.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED THERE BECAUSE OF OUTSIDERS.

SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS TAKING A PRO ACTIVE APPROACH AND SAYS IN ESSENCE, LET ME SEE WHAT IT IS AND MAYBE I'LL PROSECUTE.

TED: WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE, AND CAMRYN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LATEST, JOHN GILLETTE, THE LATEST BILL HE WANTS TO URGE CONGRESS TO CALL MUSLIM GROUPS TERRORIST GROUPS?

>> YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAIR, COUNCIL OF AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

HE'S ARGUING THEY'RE TIED TO HAMAS, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD THAT THEY ARE TIED TO TERRORISTS THEMSELVES.

THIS PROPOSAL IS NOTHING MORE THAN A STATEMENT.

IT'S CALLED A RESOLUTION, IT'S NOT LIKE A LAW, IT'S TOOTHLESS AND NOT GOING TO GET SUPPORT FROM HOBBS OR THE DEMOCRATS.

TED: IT FOLLOWS WHAT HAPPENED IN TEXAS.

THAT WAS A LAW, THEY PASSED A LAW REGARDING CALLING THE GROUPS TERRORISTS.

>> AND FLORIDA.

TED: AND FLORIDA.

>> IT'S INTERESTING.

OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY POLITICAL AND MR.

GILLETTE IS FROM KINGMAN.

HE'S BEEN ON A ROLL OF PUTTING STUFF ON TWITTER, ACCUSING MUSLIMS OF UNSPEAKABLE THINGS, USING FOUL LANGUAGE.

THERE WERE CALLS TO CENSURE HIM EARLIER THIS YEAR, DIDN'T COME TO PASS, AND HE'S FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH WHAT HE CAN DO IN THE LEGISLATURE TO BRING ATTENTION TO WHAT HE THINKS IS AN ISSUE.

WELL, THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND THOSE WHO BACK RELIGIOUS RIGHTS, PACKED THE LEGISLATURE THIS WEEK, TRYING TO STOP IT, AND I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL GO ANY, I SUSPECT IT WON'T, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET A FEW MODERATE REPUBLICANS LOOKING AT THAT TURNOUT SAYING REALLY, IS THIS WORTH IT?

TED: ALL RIGHT, WE GOT TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.