COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON: IT'S THE JOURNALISTS ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING THE U.S. SENATE DEBATE BETWEEN KARI LAKE AND CONGRESSMAN RUBEN GALLEGO.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT, ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT: JIM SMALL OF THE ARIZONA MIRROR... CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ RADIO... AND HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

LET'S START WITH THE U.S. SENATE DEBATE.

WAS THERE A WINNER OR WAS THERE A LOSER OR WHAT?

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK IT IS REALLY -- IT'S BEEN -- THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES, SO I THINK BOTH SIDES CLAIM VICTORY.

THE LAST 36 HOURS I'VE RECEIVED EMAILS FROM BOTH SIDES HOW GREAT THEY DID AND HOW TERRIBLE THEIR OPPONENT DID BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK IT SHOWED THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DEMEANOR AND IN POLICY POSITIONS, BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES, IF THERE WERE ANY VOTERS THROUGHOUT WHO DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DIFFERENCES WERE AND WATCHED THIS DEBATE, I THINK THEY'LL WALK AWAY FROM IT, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, WHO THESE FOLKS ARE AND, YOU KNOW, WHO THEY REALLY -- I THINK DISPLAY WHAT THEY FEEL ARE THEIR STRENGTHS IN THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.

>> AND SOUNDED LIKE, CAMRYN, KARI LAKE'S AGGRESSIVE ASSIST MANNER OF BEING LIKE DONALD TRUMP, THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY, IS IT?

>> OH, NO.

NEVER.

BUT ONE THING SHE CAN SAY IN HER FAVOR, CERTAINLY SEEMED LIKE SHE WAS THE ONE WHO COMMANDED MOST OF THE TIME, MAYBE THE MODERATORS, NOW, KNOW DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK, DIDN'T REIN HER IN THAT MUCH SO SHE SORT OF TALKED OVER GALLEGO A LOT AND DREW THE CONVERSATION BACK TO WHAT SHE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.

>> SHE TALKED A LOT MORE THAN RUBEN GALLEGO.

>> SOMETHING THERE SHOULD HAVE SAID SHUT THE HELL UP, QUITE FRANKLY.

THE FACT IS YOU GET YOUR CHANCE, YOU GET YOUR CHANCE.

EVERY TIME SHE INTERRUPTED, THEY SAID WE'LL GIVE A CHANCE.

SHE JUST KEPT TALKING, AND THAT'S HER WAY.

AND IF I KEEP TALKING, SOMEHOW I WON.

>> BUT WAS THAT GALLEGOS' WAY TO LET HER KEEP TALKING?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT HE EXPECTED THAT.

I THINK THAT HE SORT OF JUST SAT THERE AND SAID, OKAY, WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

AND HE'D SHOOT BACK LIKE, WE HAD THE AUDIO AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THE MAIN TAKE-AWAY FOR ME FROM THE DEBATE WAS BOTH OF THEM HAD REINVENTED THEMSELVES OVER THE YEARS.

WHO THEY ARE, WHETHER IT'S ON ABORTION OR BORDER OR A BUDGET OR ANYTHING ELSE.

NEITHER THESE PEOPLE WHETHER OR NOT WHO THEY WERE WHEN THEY STARTED NEITHER POLITICS OR MAYBE EVEN TV AS THE CASE MAY BE.

AND THE TRICKY PART NOW FOR VOTERS IS TO SAY OKAY, WHO IS THE REAL RUBEN GALLEGO, WHO IS A REAL KARI LAKE.

>> AS FAR AS, AGAIN, KARI LAKE'S DEMEANOR, LIKABILITY, THESE SORTS OF THINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN QUESTIONED AND UP FOR QUESTION, WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF THE DEBATE?

>> I THINK YOU SAW HER IN -- AND IT WAS NOT VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SAW IN 2022.

VERY AGGRESSIVE, VERY -- TRYING TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT MAKE HER WHO SHE IS, SHE'S BUILT HER POLITICAL BRAND ON BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT COIN IS I THINK THERE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT TURN OFF A LOT OF VOTERS AND THAT REALLY RUB A LOT OF FOLKS THE WRONG WAY.

THAT'S THE KARI LAKE THAT TELLS REPUBLICANS TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE ROOM, OF THE PARTY, AND SUPPORTING HER -- IT'S THAT KIND OF ATTITUDE AND ABRASIVENESS AND BRASHNESS THAT SOME PEOPLE CERTAINLY REALLY GRAVITATE TOWARD BUT A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DON'T.

AND, YOU KNOW, SHE -- WE SEE IN THE POLLS CONSTANTLY THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE IS LOSING REPUBLICANS.

AND SHE'S LOSING REPUBLICANS AT A FAR LARGER PACE THAN ANY REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.

AND EVEN WHEN YOU RUN HER UP AGAINST LIKE DONALD TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP MIGHT BE UP 2 OR 3 POINT IN A RACE AND SHE'S DOWN BY 8 OR 10 OR 12 POINTS, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS PRIMARILY REPUBLICANS.

THE TRICKY PART IS, I APPRECIATE THE DEBATES, I APPRECIATE THE DEBATES YOU'VE DONE HERE, WHAT THE CODE OF ELECTIONS IS TRYING TO DO THIS YEAR.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS, MY GUESS IS 99% OF THEM HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS.

THEY WERE THERE -- SO THAT LEAVES THE PEOPLE THAT READ CAMRYN'S STORY OR MY STORY OR JIM'S STORY TO KIND OF GET THE GIST.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T DECIDED.

EARLY VOTE HAS STARTED.

HAVE YOU SEEN THE LINES OUTSIDE OF EARLY VOTING CENTERS?

>> YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT EARLY VOTING HERE IN A SECOND THAT'S GETTING UNDERWAY.

BUT DID ANY MINDS CHANGE BECAUSE THIS DEBATE?

>> WELL, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE UNDECIDED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO VOTE HAVE DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD BOTHER AND GO OUT AND VOTE AT ALL.

BUT, YES, I THINK THE CARROTS WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHO IS GOING TO BE IN THE PATH.

>> TALK ABOUT THE UNDECIDED VOTER, ALWAYS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO VOTE.

NOT JUST THE CANDIDATE.

THE SURROGATES, AFTER DEBATES AND CERTAINLY THE ONES THAT WE'VE DONE, THEY ANSWER QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING, THEY CANNOT GO OUT THERE INCLUDING SURROGATES AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS FOR HER.

>> IT'S NOT THOSE PEOPLE WE WANT TO HEAR FROM.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES.

YOU WOULDN'T SEND CHARLIE OUT TO DEBATE WITH KARI LAKE.

SO WHY DO THAT?

IT STRUCK ME AS STRANGE TO SAY THE LEAST.

IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S WORD AS A JOURNALIST WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

>> WHY DID SHE MAKE THAT DECISION?

CLEARLY SHE MADE IT LONG BEFORE THE DEBATE.

YOU DON'T FLY IN A U.S.

SENATOR FROM WYOMING AT THE LAST MINUTE.

MY GUESS IS SHE KNOWS AND HER HANDLERS KNOW THAT WHEN SHE'S TALKING TO THE PRESS AND THEY ASK HER QUESTIONS, HER RESPONSE IS TO BE INSULTING.

YOU'RE STUPID, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

YOU KNOW, YOU JUST ARE A LAME DUCK.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANTED THAT TO BE THE LAST WORD, SO I THINK THEY DECIDED, TELL YOU WHAT, LET'S SEE HOW WELL WE DO IN A DEBATE, AND THEN SKEDADDLE OUT THE BACKDOOR WHILE NOBODY'S WATCHING, LITERALLY NOBODY WASTE WATCHING.

AND SEND THESE PEOPLE OUT TO SAY, WELL, I CAN'T ANSWER FOR HER BUT SHE'S IN FAVOR OF REPUBLICAN POLICIES.

WE TRIED TO ASK ABOUT THINGS LIKE ABORTION, WE TRY TO ASK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THE BUDGET.

WHAT IS CHARLIE KIRK KNOW?

CHARLIE KIRK IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, SHE'S A GOOD CONSERVATIVE.

THE GUY FROM WYOMING BASICALLY IS THE REPUBLICAN SENATOR THERE, THAT'S IT.

>> YEAH, AND PRETTY CONTROVERSIAL FELLOW IN AND OF HIMSELF.

WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT HE WAS THE ONE SPEAKING FOR HER?

>> NO.

I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLOSE ALLIES AND HIS ORGANIZATION -- POLITICAL ACTION -- HE SUPPORTED HER FOR GOVERNOR AND DID A LOT OF WORK FOR ALL OF THE REPUBLICAN STATEWIDE CANDIDATES AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, CAST WITH SOME OF THE OUTREACH ARMS FOR THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMUNITY.

YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY IN A LOT OF WAYS KINDS OF THE LOOK-AROUND GAME, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FILL A ROLE ON THE GROUND GAME THAT THE PARTY WOULD NORMALLY FILL SO SEEING HIM WITH ONE OF THE CLOSE ALLIES NOT REALLY SURPRISED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A SURROGATE.

>> OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON HERE.

HOWIE, IN JOINING THE DEBATE, I GUESS SOME OF RUBIN GALLEGOS' PAST WAS BROUGHT UP HERE.

BUT AS FAR AS HIS DIVORCE RECORDS ARE CONCERNED, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME.

AND THE COURTS MADE A DECISION ON THIS, DID THEY NOT?

UPHELD THE PREVIOUS DECISION.

>> UPHELD THE PREVIOUS DECISION.

AS WE KNOW REUBEN AND KATE HAD A DIVORCE IN 2016.

ARIZONA'S A NO FAULT STATE.

>> STOP RIGHT THERE, WHY YAVAPAI COUNTY?

>> MY FEELING THEY'RE BOTH LIVING IN MARICOPA, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT KNOWN.

OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE OBVIOUS THEY WOULD DIVORCE.

HE GOT REMARRIED.

WE'RE HOPING FOR A DIVORCE FIRST.

I THINK THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE AN ISSUE OF IT.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BOTH POLITICIANS AND FIGURED LET'S JUST KEEP IT QUIET.

BUT THE UNUSUAL THING WAS GETTING THE TRIAL JUDGE THERE, AND HE'S NOT THE JUDGE TO DECIDE THIS CASE BUT SEAL NOT JUST THE RECORDS BUT SEAL THE DOCKET SO IT ISN'T EVEN ON THE DOCKET, YOU DIDN'T GO TO YAVAPAI COUNTY AND LOOKING FOR GIEG DAYS GOES VERSUS GALLEGOS.

BUT WORD EVENTUALLY GOT OUT, AND IT'S KIND OF A WHITE RING ONLINE PUBLICATION WENT AHEAD AND WENT TO COURT AND IN FRONT OF A JUDGE, WHO SAID, THIS SHOULD NEVER -- THIS WAS NEVER FILED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

HE DID AGREE TO LET THEM KEEP CERTAIN FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND THEIR CHILD, WHO I THINK IS 7 NOW.

BUT SAID THE REST IT SHOULD BE RELEASED.

RATHER THAN LEAVE IT ALONE, GAIG OWING GOES -- GALLEGOS TOOK IT TO THE COURT OF APPEALS, AND THE COURT OF APPEALS SAID, NO, THE JUDGE GOT IT RIGHT.

THE FACT THAT IT WAS SEALED IN 2016 IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE SEALED TODAY.

>>> AND THE RESPONSE I BELIEVE FROM THE GALLEGOS IS THEY WANTED TO PROTECT THE KID.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

THEY'RE SAYING THAT IF THIS IS MADE PUBLIC IT WILL BE BAD FOR OUR CHILD AND, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE FOR HIS SAKE.

I THINK IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT PUBLIC FOR THEIR OWN SAKE BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH POLITICIANS.

IT COULD BE EMBARRASSES OR PROBLEMATIC.

>> AND A STAY UNTIL OCTOBER 17th, I THINK?

>> YEAH.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DOUBT THAT THE GALLEGOS ARE -- IT ESSENTIALLY APPEALED THE LOWER COURT RULING AND THAT WILL TAKE TIME.

AND I THINK THAT THEIR ARGUMENT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO STOP THESE THINGS FROM BEING RELEASED NOW UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT GETS A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN AND DECIDE WHETHER HE WILL PICK UP THE CASE AND BY THAT POINT YOU'RE GOING TO DRAG IT OUT AND KICK IT PAST THE ELECTION AND WHATEVER COMES OUTCOMES OUT.

>> BUT HERE'S THE REAL PROBLEM.

AGAIN, ARIZONA IS A NO FAULT DIVORCE STATE.

WHETHER SOMEBODY CHEATED, BEAT SOMEONE ELSE, IS IT RELEVANT TO THE DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS?

OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE.

WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT BY MAKING THIS AN ISSUE, THAT EVERY TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, KARI LAKE PUTS OUT, WHERE IS HE HIDING.

AND MY FEELING IS IT'S LIKE WATERGATE.

THE COVER-UP, DID IT BECOME MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN WHAT'S IN THERE?

I DON'T KNOW.

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER STORY WHEN HE FILES FOR A STAY, ANOTHER STORY AT THE SUPREME COURT, AND ANOTHER STORY WHEN THE SUPREME COURT FILES A RULING.

AGAIN, ALL IT DOES IS STIR UP QUESTIONS.

>> DOES IT STIR UP, THOUGH, ENOUGH IN THE WAY OF QUESTIONS TO GET FOLKS TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS OR TO GET FOLKS TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION OR SNORE.

>> AT THIS POINT, I REALLY DOUBT IT, AND I ALSO DOUBT THAT THE COURT WILL BUY THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD.

I DON'T SEE HOW IT AFFECTS THE SAFETY OF THE CHILD.

>> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

JIM?

AGAIN, DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

AND I'M TALKING -- SOME PEOPLE MIDNIGHT MIGHT FIND IT UNSAVORY TO BRING THIS UP AGAINST YOUR OPPONENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE IT'S GOING TO MAKE.

IF IT DOES, IT'LL BE ON THE MARGINS.

IN TERMS OF CONSEQUENTIAL ISSUES, THAT WAY YOU'RE TRYING TO EVALUATE TWO CANDIDATES FOR ELECTED OFFICE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS SITUATION -- AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY -- I MEAN, SHE ENDORSED HIM, HE ENDORSED HER FOR MAYOR.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE FEUDING AND THERE'S SOME KIND OF PUBLIC BATTLE HERE AND THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SNIPES THERE'S SOME KINDS OF BOMBSHELL.

BUT I THINK IN COURT RECORDS ACROSS THE BOARD AND DIVORCE RECORDS NO DIFFERENT THAN MOST, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE HELD BACK BUT IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE IT COME OUT.

IT'S KINDS OF LIKE WHAT WAS WORTH THIS GIANT SCENE?

>> RIGHT, THE MORE YOU HOLD BACK, THE MORE THE QUESTIONS ARE RAISED.

>> VICE-PRESIDENT HARRIS, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HARRIS WAS IN THE VALLEY LAST NIGHT AND IN THE VALLEY THIS AFTERNOON, IN SCOTTSDALE TODAY.

YOU WERE AT THE GILA RIVER EVENT.

>> YES, I WAS.

>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE?

>> WAY TOO HOT, FIRST OF ALL.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE PROPER AIR CONDITIONING, PEOPLE WERE THROWING UP AND STUFF.

IT WAS VERY UNPLEASANT BUT I WAS HAPPILY SURPRISED THAT IN TERMS OF THE SPEECH SHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T FOCUS ON THE BORDER AND ABORTION, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF BEEN REPRESENTATIVE.

THIS WAS ABOUT HER ECONOMIC POLICY AND HEALTHCARE POLICY.

SHE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND INVOKED THE NAME OF THE LATE GREAT, AS SHE CALLS HIM, CONTAIN AND TALKED ABOUT THE TIME HE CAME IN AND WAS A DECIDING VOTE TO PROTECT THE ACA AND HOW IT WAS A MOVING MOMENT, AND HE ALLEGEDLY BURST THROUGH THE DOORS OF THE SENATE AND SAID NO YOU DON'T, NO, YOU DON'T.

I'D LOVE TO SEE IT.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT.

BUT SHE HAD PERMANENT RILED UP WITH THAT AND VERY FOCUSED ON RATTLING OFF A LIST OF HER POLICY POSITIONS.

>> IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HOT, MISERABLE OUT THERE.

>> YEAH.

AND SELFISHLY, I HATED IT.

>> AS YOUR JOB AS A JOURNALIST, YOU HAVE TO GO WHERE YOU'RE MISERABLE RATHER PEOPLE ARE THROWING UP.

HERE IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE.

IT IS THE SECOND WEEK OF OCTOBER EARLY VOTING HAS STARTED.

I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET THAT LAST LITTLE PUSH IN.

THIS IS LIKE IT WAS WHEN I STARTED COMING INTO POLITICS -- I KNOW THE STONE AGE, WE WON'T TALK ABOUT MY AGE, BUT ELECTION DAY WAS ELECTION DAY.

AND YOU WOULD PUSH RIGHT UP UNTIL NOVEMBER 3rd, NOVEMBER 4th, NOVEMBER 5TH.

NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE TRULY IN THIS RACE ARE UNDECIDED.

MAY COME DOWN TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE.

BUT SHE IS PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

THE FORMER PRESIDENT IS COMING TO PRESCOTT OVER THE WEEKEND.

HE'S PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S VIEWS CAN BE CHANGED, ANYTHING THAT ANYONE CAN SAY THAT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

>> BARACK OBAMA IN TUCSON NEXT WEEK.

THE TWO VICE-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WERE ALL OVER THE STATE I THINK ON WEDNESDAY.

YES, DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> YES.

IT DOES.

AND THE DIFFERENCE IT MAKES IS REALLY TO HOW I WAS SAYING, THIS IS ABOUT TURN-OUT.

IT'S ABOUT DRIVING YOUR SUPPORTERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE -- NOT JUST YOUR CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTERS, 95% OF YOUR SUPPORTERS YOU EXPECT TO SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY, BUT THIS IS ABOUT GETTING THE LAST BIT -- THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT YOU, HOPEFULLY, BUT ARE SOFT, AND THEY'RE NOT SOLD AND THEY'RE NOT COMMITTED ON WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION.

PEOPLE SAY 9 OUT OF 10, 10 OUT OF 10 I'M GOING TO VOTE, THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU ALREADY COUNT ON.

BUT THESE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAYBE THREE OR FIVE OR SIX ON THAT SCALE, YOU WANT THOSE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND TO VOTE FOR YOU, AND THAT WAS REALLY A BIG, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY TALKED ABOUT A LOT AT THIS EVENT LAST NIGHT IS IT'S EARLY VOTING.

GO CAST YOUR BALLOT, GO TO AN EARLY POLLING PLACE, GET A BALLOT, CAST IT.

GO HOME, TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS, TALK TO YOUR FAMILY, AND IF THEY'RE NOT SOLD ON VOTING, TALK TO FIVE PEOPLE, HAVE THEM TURN IN THEIR BALLOTS AND THEY HAVE THAT MULTIPLIER EFFECT.

THAT IS REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S THE HARRIS ENTER, THE TRUMP EVENT, WHETHER IT'S WALZ OR VANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE COMING THROUGH ARIZONA THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS, IT'S ABOUT DRIVING YOUR BASE AND TRYING TO EXPAND THAT BASE BY JUST A LITTLE BIT EVEN IF IT'S BY 1 PERCENTAGE POINT, THAT MIGHT BE THE DIFFERENCE IN A STATE WHERE DEMOCRATS WON BY LESS THAN 11,000 VOTES FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> AND THE SIDE OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE REPUBLICANS HAD TOTALLY SPLIT ON THIS EARLY VOTING THING.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE KARI LAKE WHO, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO WAS BASICALLY SAYING, THEY CHEATED BECAUSE THE FACT THAT THEY HAD EARLY VOTES AND KNEW HOW MANY FOLKS THEY NEEDED TO MAKE BALLOTS.

THEY WENT OUT AND EARLY VOTED.

THE PARTY HASN'T FIGURED OUT, DO WE WANT PEOPLE TO VOTE EARLY, AND SO OVERWHELM THE NUMBERS, AS THEY SAY, IT'S TOO BIG TO CHEAT, OR DO THEY WANT PEOPLE TO WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE, FIGURING THAT IF THE ELECTION OFFICIALS KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED, THEY KNOW HOW MANY TAKE BALLOTS TO AD.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WILL SAY OOPSY, I FORT FORGOT TO VOTE.

>> AND EARLY VOTING, BACK BACK IN THE STONE AGE WHEN YOU HAD TO WAIT FOR THE POLLS, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING.

YOU CAN LITERALLY GO TO A CAMPAIGN RALLY OF CANDIDATE OF YOUR CHOICE AND GO HOME AND VOTE FOR HIM.

>> YEAH.

>> I LIKE TO GO ON ELECTION DAY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S FUN.

BUT I THINK EARLY VOTING HAS ALWAYS BEEN POPULAR, IT WILL STAY POPULAR, AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS SHOULD AND WILL GO BACK TO SAYING PLEASE VOTE EARLY.

WE NEED TO YOU VOTE EARLY.

AND I THINK THAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEHIND KIND OF BEEN PUSHING THINGS BACK DOWN THAT ROAD, WHICH WAS THEIR INITIAL STANCE.

AS FOR THE ADS AND TRIPS AND RALLIES, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY EVEN IF IT IS PREACHING TO THE CHOIR A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LIKE SHOW THAT YOU'VE TRIED AND THAT YOU CARE AND ALSO MATCH YOUR OPPONENT'S ENERGY.

IMAGINE IF IT WAS JUST LIKE VANCE AND TRUMP AND THEIR PEOPLE COMING OUT TO ARIZONA AND GOING ALL OVER THE STATE AND BEING LIKE, HERE ARIZONA, WE'RE HERE FOR YOU, AND THERE WAS NOTHING FROM THE OTHER SIDE.

LIKE THAT COULD BE AN AFFRONT TO SOME ARIZONANS.

LIKE, YOU DON'T GET OUR VOTE THEN.

>> ARE WE GETTING AN INDICATION ON THE NUMBERS PEOPLE COMING UP IN EARLY VOTE SOMETHING IN I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY REPORTED THAT SURPRISE HAD A MAJOR HAUL EARLIER.

MORE OR LESS ARE WE GETTING ANY NUMBERS, ANYONE?

>> WELL, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS LINES.

FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE -- USED TO BE EARLY VOTING -- AUTOMATIC EARLY VOTING AND SO YOU GOT THIS ISSUE OF PEOPLE OF GETTING THE BALLOTS THIS WEEK, AND YOU KNOW, HOW QUICKLY THEY TURN BACK.

BUT THEN THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE SO ANXIOUS TO VOTE, THEY DIDN'T WAIT TO GET THE EARLY BALLOTS IN THE MAIL.

THEY PHYSICALLY RAN OUT THE FIRST DAY, THAT SHOWS A ELF WILL OF ENERGY, A LEVEL OF CONCERN.

NOW, ARE THEY GOING OUT BECAUSE OF TRUMP VERSUS HARRIS?

ARE THEY GOING OUT BECAUSE OF PROP 139, WHICH IS THE ABORTION MEASURE?

ARE THEY GOING OUT BECAUSE OF PRO 214 WAS THE ABORTION COMMITTEE MEASURE, THE SENATE RACE?

I DON'T KNOW.

AND THAT ALSO COMES DOWN TO WHAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT IS IT'S WAY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT AND WHAT'S THE DROP-OFF BETWEEN THE PEOPLE VOTING AT TOP AND THE BOTTOM?

>> RUNNING THE G.O.P.

ELECTION GROUP, LOOKING AT ELECTION INTEGRITY, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> SHE'S AN ATTORNEY, A REPUBLICAN.

SHE RAN FOR CHAIR OF THE RNC A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AGAINST ROMNEY.

SHE LOST PRETTY BAD.

SHE WAS KARI LAKE'S ATTORNEY IN 2022.

SHE'S BEEN AROUND REPUBLICAN ELECTION CHALLENGES AND A LOT OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE GONE NOWHERE IN COURT ABOUT ALLEGING FRAUD AND IN HAS BEEN ONE OF THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THAT.

SO SHE HAS TO REPUBLICAN THE VOTER INTEGRITY MACHINE AND KINDS OF ALL OF THE PERSONNEL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET DEPLOYED OUT ACROSS ARIZONA AND ELSEWHERE.

>> ONE OF THE INTERESTING BACKSTORIES, AND OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERYONE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IS, HE SORT OF REPLACES CORY LANG HOVER WHO HAD BEEN DOING A LOT OF STUFF FOR THE REPUBLICANS HERE.

NOW, CORY SAID I CAN'T SAY WHY WE SEPARATED.

MY GUESS IS THAT AS CORY -- FOR EVERYTHING HE IS POLITICALLY -- HAS A SENSE OF WHAT IS FAIR AND WHAT WILL ALSO GET NEW TROUBLE FOR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS.

AND THE PARTY HAS BEEN ITCHING TO GET AT THESE 218,000, SUPPOSEDLY UNREGISTERED OR UNNON-CITIZEN, VOTERS AND MY GUESS IS HE ALSO LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID THIS IS NOT LITIGATION.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO GET US INTO TROUBLE FOR FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT AND I DON'T INTEND TO HAVE MY LICENSE PULLED BACK.

SO THEY PULLED SOMEBODY THEY CAN RELY ON, AN OUT-OF-STATE ATTORNEY, WHO FIGURES, WHAT'S THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN, I LOSE MY ARIZONA LICENSE?

>> LAWSUITS FRIVOLOUS, OTHERWISE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SAID THEY'RE THERE TO SPEARHEAD LEGAL BATTLES.

WHAT KIND OF LEGAL BATTLES?

>> THE FALLOUT.

I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THE NEXT AUDIT.

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EVER SINCE I MOVED TO ARIZONA.

SHE'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN CORY.

SO SHE HAS LIKE A -- SHE'S VERY MUCH IN THE TRUMP CAMP.

SHE'S A PERSONALITY WHO CHEERS ON VIDEOS -- SHARES ON VIDEOS AND SOCIAL MEDIA A LOT.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FOLLOWERS.

SHE'S VERY SORT OF INTO SPREADING MESSAGES TO THE PARTY AND ESCAPING.

CORY IS NOT LIKE THAT.

JUST MORE OF A LEGAL KIND OF LAWYER.

>> YEAH, AND HE'S VERY GOOD.

>> HE'S AN ARIZONAN AND HE'S NOT REALLY ONE OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN GAGGLE, YOU KNOW.

THEY'VE GOT ALL OF THESE FIGURES ON RORY, SEEMINGLY UPSET THAT CORY BACKED OUTS OF THE JOB AND MADE THIS VERY, VERY, VERY LONG TWITTER POST CALLING HIM A RHINO AND SAYING THAT HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE THEIR LAWYER, BUT THE TRUMP ANNOUNCEMENT WAS VERY -- THEY DESCRIBED HIM SAYING IT'S FOR UPCOMING LITIGATION.

AND I'M LIKE, OH GOOD.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE LITIGATION NO MATTER MATTER WHAT.

>> YEAH, THE UPCOMING -- THIS IS BASICALLY SETTING UP A BIG SIGN SAYING HERE WE ARE, AND WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

>> WELL, YEAH.

KIND OF THE CRUX OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SINCE 2016, RIGHT.

I MEAN, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS, YEAH, IF I WIN.

2020 SAME THING.

WE SAW IT AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME.

THE ELECTIONS ARE THE REPUBLICANS THAT TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS WIN AND RIGGED ELECTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS LOSE.

THE FAIR ELECTIONS ARE THE ONES THEY WIN.

THIS IS THE NEW STATE UNDER REPUBLICAN BODY.

>> AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH CAREY, SHE WAS ASKED, WILL YOU ACCEPT THE RESULTS WITH KARI LAKE.

AND SHE SAID, WELL, IF NEWSPAPER A GAME, WOULD YOU ACCEPT ALL THE CALLS OF THE REFS BEFORE THEY WERE MADE?

I'M SORRY.

MAYBE THIS IDEA THAT IT'S AHEAD OF WHAT THE JUDGES WOULD BE -- THE JUDGES AND THE ELECTION OFFICIALS BEING THE REFS.

SHE'S ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IT.

LOOK, I'M STILL LOOKING WHAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL SAY ABOUT 2022.

IT WILL BE GOVERNOR SENATOR KARI LAKE.

>> I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHETHER THEY DEPLOY ALL OF THESE ELECTIONS TASK FORCE JUST FOR KARI LAKE.

IF TRUMP MOVES TO ARIZONA, WILL HE DO ANYTHING?

>> IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUMP.

WE KNOW THAT, IF IT COMES DOWN TO HER CHANGING THE OUTCOME OF THE SENATE, YEAH, I THINK THE PARTY COMES IN.

>> INTERESTING.

JIM, QUICKLY BEFORE WE GO, MARK FINCHERMAN IS OUT THERE WITH SOME SORT OF -- CLAIMING HE'S GOT INFORMATION ON A CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASE.

HE WORKED WITH AN ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF IN TENNESSEE WHO'S GOT HIS OWN SORT OF PROBLEMS HERE.

WHAT'S YOUR VERSION?

>> THE LAST MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF AGO, THE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION RATED -- RAIDED AN ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF IN A SMALL TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN RURAL TENNESSEE, AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF A CRIMINAL PROBE THAT RAIDED THE POLICE STATION, RAIDED THIS GUY'S HOUSE LOOKING FOR BASICALLY WHAT'S COME OUT SINCE IS ESSENTIALLY ABUSE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOLS, USING LAW ENFORCEMENT, CONFIDENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT THINGS FOR NON-LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE.

MARK HAS BEEN MAKING THE ROUNDS.

HE WAS A REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR SECRETARY OF STATE IN 2022.

LOST TO FON TEZ.

WAS A STATEMENT REPRESENTATIVE BEFORE THAT, NOW POISED TO BECOME A STATE SENATOR FROM THE PRESCOTT AREA.

HE'S BUILT HIS REP ON, YOU KNOW, CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND ELECTION DENIALISM AND QANON AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

HE'S BEEN DOING THE REGULAR MEDIA CIRCUIT TALKING ABOUT HOW -- THIS WHOLE THING HAPPENING IN SENTENCED BECAUSE THEY UNCOVERED ALL OF THE BADNESS AND THE MONEY THAT WAS MOVING AROUND AND THE PEDOPHILES AND SEX TRAFFICKING AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT HE AND A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE GONE ON AND ON ABOUT FOR YEARS THAT THIS ONE GUY CUT FINANCIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASES AND HAD TRACKED THINGS DOWN AND THAT'S WHY THEY CAME TO GET HIM.

AND SO HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE HAD ACCESS TO ALL OF THIS DATA BECAUSE HE RUNS A NONPROFIT THAT HE WORKING WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, A LOT OF THESE CONSPIRACY PRANKS INCLUDING THIS GUY, AND SO NOW HE'S OUT THERE TALKING ABOUT HOW HE HAD ACCESS TO IT AND KNOWS WHAT'S THROUGHOUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO RELEASE THEM AND BLOW THE LID OFF.

>> AND BLOW THE LID OFF AND RELEASE IT WHEN -- "WE'RE READY."

YOU GOT 30 SECONDS TO EXPLAIN THAT.

>> YES, SO HE HAS THIS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT IS ALL ABOUT UNCOVERING FRAUD ELECTIONS AND LET OUT ALL OF THESE THEORIES ABOUT PEDOPHILIA AND I THINK THESE GUYS ARE SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER, AND I BELIEVE IT'S A FEDERAL CRIME GET INTO THE DATABASE AND SPREAD IT PUBLICALLY BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY, SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

>> YOU DID THAT IN 30 SECONDS.

FAN IT IS A PING.

>> LIKE THAT RADIO GAME.

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THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

>> I'M TED SIMONS.

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