>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HOY RYE ZON.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING RULES OF TUESDAY'S VOTES.

JOURNALIST ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HOY RYE ZON.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I AM TED SIMONS.

IT IS FRIDAY.

JOINING US TONIGHT IS HOWIE FISH FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES.

JESSICA BOEHM] JESSICA BOEHM FROM AXIOS PHOENIX.

WE HAD A VOTE TUESDAY.

SOME COUNTYWIDE THINGS INCLUDING 40 WAS FOR VALLEY WISE HEALTH AND NOW LOOKS LIKE IT PASSED.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT PASSED.

REMEMBER, IS A NEW NAME FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE REMEMBER MAR RY COPA MEDICAL CENTER.

WAS THE COUNTY HOSPITAL.

IT WENT BACK TO THE I DAS IN THE PRE'8'S WHERE EVERY COUNTY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OWN HEALTH CARE.

WELL, OLD FACILITY HAS HAD BEEN REABOUT BUILD TAKEN ON NEW ROLES.

LOOK, WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO HAVE PSYCHO LOGICAL NEEDS.

PSYCHIATRIC NEEDS.

WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PROPERLY.

SO WHAT WE NEED IS NEW MONEY FOR FACILITIES FOR STAFF, EVERYTHING ELSE.

OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF THE CROWD SAID, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?

YOU KNOW INTHEY SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS AT THE HOSPITAL.

NOT THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.

BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO TURN BACK THE FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, YES, WE DO NEED A COMMUNITY HOSPITAL.

THAT SERVES THE COUNTY.

TED: DO YOU THINK -- IT IS AHEAD BY RELATIVELY SLIM MAR BIN.

I AM SURPRISED IT HAYS SLIM.

THEN AGAIN, DO YOU THINK MOST PEOPLE UNDER AND WHAT VALLEY WISE IS?

>> NO.

I DON'T.

AND I WAS ALSO A LITTLE SURPRISED ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE MARGIN WAS.

AND I THINK THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE THIS PUBLIC HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEHAVIOR HEALTH NEEDS.

WE DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THEM.

THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK HEALTHCARE IN GENERAL CAN BE A LITTLE INOFFENSIVE FOR THE MOST PART.

BUT THE PRICE TAG ON THIS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST $1 BILLION.

AND SO I THINK, PEOPLE SAW THAT.

THEY FEEL A LITTLE SHAKY ECONOMICALLY AND THEY WERE LIKE, THERE IS A LOT OF HOSPITALS IN ARIZONA.

WHY DON'T THEY GO TO ANOTHER ONE.

NOT UNDERND STAKING THIS IS A DIFFERENT KIND.

TED: THIS IS A PUBLIC HOSPITAL, MARK.

THAT AGAIN, THAT ALLUDE A LOT OF FOLKS.

>> YEAH.

I THINK IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

IT HAS UNDERGONE A FEW NAME CHANGES OVER THIS YEARS.

ONE OF THE OTHER ARGUEPS AGAINST THIS THAT WAS THROUGHOUT WAS THIS IS NOT GOING TO DO ENOUGH.

SO YES, IT IS MORE BEDS.

IT IS MORE SERVICES FOR BEHAVIOR HEALTH.

BUZZ THERE ARE SOME FOLKS IN THE BEHAVIOR HEALTH WORLD, IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.

IT IS NOT GOING TO DO WHAT WE NEED IT TO DO.

IT IS NOT ENOUGH.

LET'S NOT DO IT AT ALL.

>> IT IS A RAISEY THING.

SOME OF THIS GOES BACK TO THE OLD WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE ARNOLD CASE IN TERMS OF WE EMPTY OUT THE MENTAL HOSPITALS.

WAREHOUSING PEOPLE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE STREET.

WELL, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM ON THE VET WITHOUT PROVIDING SOME SERVICES, SOME TREATMENT.

WELL, GUESS WHAT THEY NEED TREATMENT.

THEY NEED TREATMENT SOMEWHERE WHETHER IT IS FOR A FEW DAYS THERE.

WHETHER LOCKING THEM UP OR IN AND AND OUT, OUT PATIENT CARE, SO HAVING EMPTIED PRETTY MUCH THE STATE HOUSE, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM?

>> THIS FACILITY SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO EXPAND THE ORIGINAL PLACE.

A LOT OF OUTPATIENT SERVICES THERE AS WELL.

ALSO, JESSICA, PROP 403 WAS BOND CAMPAIGN FOR WEST.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS?

>> WAY.

WE ARE DOING A LOT OF EXPLAININGED.

TED: YES WE ARE ITS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE EAST VALLEY.

THE EQUIVALENT, THESE ARE CAREER TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROBLEMS.

IT ESPECIALLY HAS REALLY TRIED TO EX PANZ THE OFFERINGS INTO THE SEMICONDUCTOR ADJACENT TECHNICIAN TYPE PROGRAMS BUT THESE ARE WHERE WEST VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS CAN GO, THEY LEARN HOW TO DO THE TECHNICAL SKILLS AND IN SOME CASES ARE ABLE TO GRADUATE, BE ABLE TO GO STRAIGHTING TO THE WORKFORCE.

AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT ONE IS GOING TO PASS, BUT AGAIN, REALLY NARROW.

>> $450 MARK.

AGAIN, ITS PE PUBLIC NATURE OF THIS.

THESE HAVE TO BE FOUGHT A VOTE.

>> WAY.

I THINK, A LOT OF PEOPLE, I I, DON'T UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.

THEY SEE, YOU KNOW, $400.

THEY SEE $1 BILLION VALLEYWISE.

IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK, YOU CAN SEE, OK, WHAT WILL THIS MEAN FOR MY PROPERTY TAXES IF MY HOUSE IS VALUED AT X. THIS IS HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO ADD IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TAX.

IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT EACH LIKE HOW MUCH YOU ARE PAYING FOR EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, IT TAKES TIME.

IT TAKES EFFICIENT.

MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT.

SOMETIMES THAT UNG BRS SOME OF THE RATES OF PASSING DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT AND LIKE THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY.

THE FACT IS, THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED.

LOOKED.

THERE WAS SHOP CLASS.

I WILL TELL YOU THE THINGS I TRIED TO BUILD OR DIDN'T BUILD SO WELL IN SHOP CLASS.

WE ARE BECOMING IN SOME WAYS AS MUCH AS EVERYONE SAID.

YOU ARE GOING TO GO TO BLUE DOLLAR OR COLLEGE.

WE HAVE THE WHOLE IN THE MID THAT FOLKS ARE REALIZING WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF FOLKS WORKING FOR THE HIGH-TECH I HAVE.

FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T NEED A COLLEGE DIE DEGREE, BUT WE NEED THAT TRAINING.

IN FACT, THESE ARE GOOD JOBS, THIS DOING LEC RIGS, PLUMBING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE NOT HAD THE PROGRAMS THAT WE NEEDED AND RATHER THAN PUTTING THE MONEY INTO THE COLLEGES, LORD KNOWS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE UNIVERSITIES OVER THE YEARS BUT THEY SAID, WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE FOR THE KIDS WHO ARE NOT GOING TO GO FO FOUR YEAR COLLEGE.

INDEED.

THAT AGAIN LOOKS LIKE IT IS GOING TO PASS NOT BY A HUGE MARGIN BUT GOING TO PASS.

S WHERE HE A, I THINK, A LOT OF EYES WERE WATCHING CERTAINLY LOCALLY, EVEN NATIONALLY WAS THIS RECALL IN MESA, TALK TO US ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THE RECALL WORKED.

YES, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL, SO WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER AND POSED A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER AT THIS POINT, AND SHE IS A REPUBLICAN, BUT SHE CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF KAMALA HARRIS.

WAS THIS THE TIPPING POINT FOR ALL OF THIS.

THE TURNING POINT YOU MIGHT SAY, BECAUSE IT WAS THE TURNING POINT ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY SPEARED THIS, THIS RECALL AGAINST HER, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY CITED A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS WAS REALLY A TEST OF, NOW KNOW, CAN YOU SAY YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN, RUN IN MESA, AND SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT.

TED: KAMALA HARRIS AND REUBEN AS WELL.

>> WAY.

SURE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE IMPORTANCE OF TURNING POINT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZATION IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PLUCKS WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH CHARLIE KIRK.

ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE GOOD AT IS PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

KNOCKING ON DOORS.

HANGING INFORMATION ON DOORS.

MAKING CALLS.

AND THAT WHOLE GET OUT THE VOTE THING.

THAT PROBABLY MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE.

VO TURNING POINT ACTUALLY SAID, A LITTLE HIGH PER BOWLY, THE BIGGEST ELECTIONS IN AMERICA.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HARD TO BELIEVE WHEN YOU HAVE GOVERNOR'S RACES, MAYOR'S RACE.

TED: ONE OF THE BIGGEST WINS CERTAINLY TO THEM.

>> IT CERTAINLY WAS BIG WIN WITH THE NATIONAL ATTENTION IT GOT WITH NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TALKING ABOUT EVENTUALLY THE CITY COUNCIL ELECTION IN NOT THE STATE CAPITOL IN ARIZONA BUT IN MESA, WHICH IS A BIG CITY, OF COURSE, BUT YOU KNOW, A CITY COUNCIL RACE IN MESA GETTING A TON OF NATIONAL ATTENTION.

I WAS PRETTY BIG TEST OF, FOU HE, OF TURNING POINT TRYING TO LOOK DOWN BALLOT.

WE HAVE SEEN THEM TALK ABOUT GOING TO OTHER DOWN BALLOT RACES NEXT YEAR.

SO IT WIN INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MUCH KNOW TEN TUM THEY TAKE FROM THIS RECALL AND MOVE FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR.

>> ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PUBLICITY AROUND TURNING POINT, THEY LOOKING AT WHAT WE DID IN MESA.

A LOT OF FOL BEES SAYING WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU IN VIRGINIA?

WHERE WERE YOU IN THE NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR'S RACES?

WHERE WERE YOU IN THE NEW YORK CITY MAYOR RACE BECAUSE WERE RACES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RUN THAT WE GOT RID OF A MESA COUNCIL PERSON.

TED: THEY COULD HAVE BEEN WON?

COULD THEY HAVE BEEN?

WHAT LESSONS DID WE TAKE FROM THE NATIONAL VOTE THERE?

NOT THE NATIONAL VOTE, BUT VOTES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT YOU MISSION INNED?

>> WELL, LEAVING ASIDE NEW YORK CITY, WHICH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST.

>> SURE.

>> OBVIOUSLY, THE DEMOCRATS RECOGNIZED THE ECONOMY IS THE ISSUE.

AND AFFORDABILITY IS THE ISSUE.

BUT GET OUT THE VOTE IS SO IMPORTANT, IF IS THAT WHAT TURNING POINT IS ABOUT.

COULD THEY HAVE PUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING AROUND MESA INTO HAVE VA SHALL INTO NEW YORK AND PERHAPS CLOSE THE MARGIN THERE.

>> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, MAYBE YOU ARE PROVING YOUR POINT HERE, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AT THE BALLOT RACES.

THINGS THEY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO.

THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN MAKE AN IMPACT.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU SAW IN MESA.

AS FAR AS WHAT WE SAW AROUND THE COUNTRY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE 1 MILLION PIECES LIKE THIS ISABEL WEATHER, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN.

THE ONE THING I THE I IT IS WHERE THE BLAME IS GOING ON THIS SHUTDOWN.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU SAW DEMOCRATS BE SUCCESSFUL SO THAT REPUBLICANS MAY BE IN A LITTLE TROUBLE THERE.

INTERESTING.

MARK WE ARE WE GOT ENDORSEMENT FROM CD5.

THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE.

THAT MARK LAMBE, THEY GOT IT.

WHAT IS NOW?

MY COMPLETE AND TOTAL ENDORSEMENT FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP.

>> YEAH.

THIS HE IS THE SEAT THAT ANDY BIGGEST IS LIENING TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

HE US NOT THE ONLY PERSON IN THE RACE.

TRAVIS WHO IS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE IN THE RACE.

JAY FEELEY, THE FORMER NFL CARDINALS' KICKER, CBS SIDELINE ANALYST IS IN THE RACE.

SO MARK LAMB HAS RUN STATEWIDE BEFORE.

HE IS PRETTY POPULAR WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP PS AND THE CROWD.

WHAT WAS IN TESTING WAS THAT IN HIS ENDORSEMENT OF LAMB TRUMP SAID I LIKE A LOT.

I AM PAR RAR PHRASING HERE.

MAYBE HE SHOULD RUN FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

NOT THIS.

WHAT DO WE TAKE THAT?

WELL, REALLY WOULD A TRUMP ENDORSED CANDIDATE.

OBVIOUSLY WOULD DO WELL IN THE PRIMARY CD1 EVERYONE IS LOOKING HERE.

WELL, YEAH.

IN A GENERAL LEX.

>> WELL, AGAIN, THAT BECOMES ISSUE.

WELL, CD5.

PERFECT, AGAIN.

ANDY BIGGS, YOU KNOW DEM DEMOCRATS ARE BASICALLY ENDANGERED SPECIES THERE.

CD1 IS DIFFERENT.

YOU NEED SOMEONE WHO CANNOT ONE THE PRIMARY WITH THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT ASSUMING IT CARRIES IT USED TO CARRY.

BUT THAT YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO WAN BRING IN THE INDEPENDENCE SO AGAIN, OUTFUM NUMBER IN A LOT OF THESE DISTRICTS AND I DON'T KNOW AS THIS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ARE THERE THAT MANY SPORTS AD A DICTS OUT THERE WHO SAY I WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS PERSON A MORE MODERATE REPUBLICAN.

SOMEBODY LIKE LIKE THAT.

TED: YEAH THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY IN CD1, JESSICA, IT IS NOT LIKE 5 WHEN YOU WIN THE PRIMARY, THE BALL GAME IS OVER.

THIS IS JUST THE START.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THE YOU KNOW, LET US NOT FORGET, THE COMPLETE AND TOTAL ENDORSEMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN AND THE QUESTION IS -- DOES TRUMP TAKE THAT BACK AND SAY ACTUALLY, ALSO, ALSO JAY.

BUT, BUT, I THINK THAT, YOUR LARGER POINT IS CORRECT.

WHICH IS THAT, YOU DO NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN SPEAK TO MODERATE AND POTENTIALLY EVEN MODERATE DEMOCRATS, AND I THINK THE ONE THING I WATCH IN THAT RACE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP REALLY NEEDS THAT SEAT, AND THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS TO HIM IN A WAY THAT THE GOVERNOR'S RACES DONE MATTER BECAUSE HE HAS TO WORK WITH CONGRESS.

HIS WHOLE POLICIES DEPEND ON THAT.

SO IS HE GOING TO BE ABLE WILLING TO SUPPORT A MORE MODERATE CANDIDATE IN THAT DISTRICT KNOWING THAT THIS RE MORE LIKELY BE SUBSEC WAS.

>> MARK, LAST QUESTION ON THIS.

IF LET'S SAY HE DOES DECIDE TO GO AND HE GETS IT, GETS TRUMP ENDORSEMENT BECAUSE EVERYONE CAN GET A TRUMP ENDORSEMENT.

ALSO TURNING POINT ACTION.

THEY START SHOWING UP THERE.

IT COULD BE A MATCH THAT THE DEMOCRATS COULD WIND UP BENEFITING FROM.

>> IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE THE TURNING POINT MAGA CROWD IS NOT IN LOVE.

YOU REMEMBER HOFFMAN IS NOT A HUGE FAN OF HIS.

SO IF, FOR EX AC PEM, JAY FEELEY WERE ABLE TO GET IN THIS RACE.

I DON'T KNOW FENN IF EPP A ONE HAS SEEN DIF RENT.

YES, THIS IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT OR ANYBODY, THERE IS A SORT OF SPECULATION.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A PROBABLY A PRETTY EXTENSIVE AND MESSY PRIMARY AND YEAH, DEPENDING ON WHO THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE.

A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS RUNNING, TOO.

YES, THAT COULD BE A MESSY EXTENSIVE PRIMARY.

SO DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES.

THAT COULD BE REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING RACE.

>> THAT IS IT.

>> VERY EXPENSIVE.

IT IS GOING TO FORCE BOTH SIDES TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY THEY ARE GOING TO NEED IN THE GENERAL LEX.

AND WHILE IT IS ONE OF NINE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF MONEY.

>> STICKING WITH YOU.

WE HAVE A COURT CASE HERE.

I THINK, DECISIONS SHOULDN'T BE TODAY BUT GOING TO WRAP UP THE ARMINGS HERE TODAY REGARDING SEVERAL ABORTION REGULATIONS THE AND THE WHY ONCE WE GOT IT IN THIS HE CONSTITUTION MAYBE THE REGULATIONS SHOULD NO BE THERE ANY MORE.

TALK TO BUS THIS.

>> PROP 1, 36 PASSED.

PITS THOUGH ARIZONA CONSTITUTION A RIGHT TO TERMINATE A PREGNANCY.

AND ABSOLUTE RIGHT PRETTY MUCH PRIOR TO FETAL VIABILITY WHICH IS 22-24 WEEKS.

THE DOCTORS WHO ARE BEHIND PROP 139 ABORTIONIST, THE ACLU, IN THE TER FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS WE GOT THREE LAWS IN THE BOOKS THAT MAKE NO SENSE AS WELL.

ONE IS 24-OUR WAITING PERIOD WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO MAKE TWO TRIPS.

THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM.

NUMBER TWO IS A BAN ON TELEHEALTH.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO COME IN IN PERSON.

THEN SOMETHING CALLED THE REASON BAND.

WE HAVE SOME LAWS ON THE BOOKS SAYING THE DRO COMMITS A CRIME IF HE OR SHE DOES ABORTION ON A WOMAN KNOWING THE WOMAN WAS GETTING IT BECAUSE OF THE SEX, THE RACE, OR A FETAL DEFECT, AND THEY SAY, THESE MAKE NO SENSE, THEY ARE UNNECESSARY.

AND SO, WHAT IS INTERESTING ON THIS CASE, IS THAT THE STATE MEANING KRIS MAYES IS SIDING WITH THE DOCTORS SO NOW, YOU HAVE THE LEGISLATURE, THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS WHO ARE SAYING, MO, THESE ARE NECESSARY AND ANYWAY, NOBODY IS BEING THREATENED WITH BEING PROSECUTED BECAUSE KRIS MAYES SAID I WILL NOT PROSECUTOR ANYBODY.

THERE IS A NEED FOR INJUNCTION.

THAT BECOMES CRUCIAL.

TED: THAT IS WHAT THE HEARING IS BAWL WHETHER OR NOT A TEMPORARY INJUNCTION WOULD BE APPLIED.

THEN AGAIN BE THE HEARING IS OVER.

I MEAN, THIS, THIS BASICALLY IS WE HEARD THIS DURING THE CAMPAIGN, FOR THE AMENDMENT WASES THIS COULD SUPERSEDE EVERYTHING ELSE.

>> RIGHT.

I MEAN, I BELIEVE THE WORDING IS FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO ABORTION.

THAT IS THE QUESTION HERE.

AND THIS IS A LIKE A REAL, LAKE A REAL FASCINATING LEGAL TEST FEASTS WE ARE GOING TO SEE.

DOES THIS MEAN LIKE ABSOLUTELY NO RULES.

OR NO LIMITATIONS AT THIS POINT.

AND, OF COURSE, LIKE ON THE SIDE OF THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE FOLKS, THIS WAS THE GOAL.

AND THE QUESTION IS -- WHETHER THE COURTS WILL GET THERE.

YOU OF COURSE HAD THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATIVE LEADERS SAYING THESE ARE HEALTH AND SAFETY MEASURES AND YOU KNOW, VERY FRUSTRATE AND ANGRY AT HOW THIS IS GOING BUT THIS WILL SET THE STAGE OF WHAT ABORTION LIMITATIONS CAN LOOK LIKE IN ARIZONA GOING FORWARD.

>> YEAH.

IT SOUNDS TO ME, SO AGAIN, THE IDEA BEING, IF THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS THERE ARE NO REGULATION.

, THAT IS THE ARGUMENT THEY ARE MAKING WHICH IS THAT IN THEIR MIND, SUPPORTERS OF PROP 136 SAID THIS IS COMMON SENSE WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT IS IN THE INITIVE NOW AGAIN ACCORDING TO THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP.

THE SUPPORTERS ARE GOING IN TRYING TO UNDO THE OTHER LAWS THE REPUBLICANS SAY ARE COMMON LENS SAW LAWS ON THE BOOK TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REGULATE ABORTION TO SOME EXTENT.

SO JESSICA IS RIGHT.

I MEAN, SUPER INTERESTING LEGAL QUESTION.

>> LET'S UNDERSTAND.

THAT WHILE THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT.

IT ALSO SAYS IN THE LANGUAGE THERE, PROTECT THE MOTHER'S HEALTH SO NOBODY IS CHALLENGING LICENSING OF ABORTION, SENATORS, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, REGULATING INSPECTING NOBODY IS CHALLENGED SOME OF THE RECORD KEEP SOG THIS IS NOT THEM COMING IN AND SAYING LET'S WIPE OUT EVERYTHING IN THE BOOKS ON ABORTION.

THE CRIMINAL LAWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO REMEMBER, AGAIN, THE ONLY CHALLENGE TO THIS, WITH A HAPPENS PREVIK.

THERE MY BE A WHOLE SEPARATE ISSUE WITH WHAT HAPPENS AND THE POST VIK BORTION AND LAY TERM, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO KAEL THEM.

THAT MAY BE NEXT.

AGAIN, THREE ARE THREE SPECIFIC LAWS TO BE CHALLENGED.

>> YES.

ANY SUGGESTIONS.

ANY THOUGHT THAT WHEN THE LEGISLATURE HITS AGAIN, THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO NIBBLE AROUND THE EDGES HERE AND FIND WHAT THEY CAN GET.

FIND WHAT THEY CAN SUCCEED WITH AS FAR AS REGULATION.

A OH, I THINK THEY PROMISED THAT.

THEY SAID, OK, WE KNOW PROP 136 IS HERE.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS A BUNCH OF BILLS THEN EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE A STATEMENT OF LEGISLATURE PURPOSE TO PROTECT WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

NOW SIMPLY SAY, THAT YOU HAVE TO , YOU KNOW, WEAR BLUE UNDERWEAR TO PROTECT WOMEN'S HEALTH DOES NOT MAKE IT TO PROTECT WOMEN'S HEALTH.

ALL RIGHT.

JESSICA, JUDICIAL WATCH IS A CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST GROUP AND SAYING THAT THE GOVERNOR, BASICALLY SLIGHTED THE LAW WITH HER STATEMENTS.

>> WELL, RIGHT.

SO THE LAWSUIT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THAT THIS GROUP SAW THESE STATEMENTS THAT THE GOVERNOR MADE TOWARD THE END OF LAST YEAR ABOUT WHETHER DPS WOULD ENFORCE IMMIGRATION RELATED LAWS OR FEDERAL IMMIGRATION REQUESTS AND SHE SAID THEY WOULD NOT.

AND SO THE LAWSUIT IS ABOUT THIS GROUP HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION, THE RECORDS THAT EXIST, THAT WOULD SHOW THIS DIRECTIVE THAT WAS MADE TO DPS AND, AND, THEY CAME UP SHORT.

OF COURSE.

>> WELL, YOU START OFF WITH THE FACT THAT IT TOOK THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE NINE MONTHS TO RESPOND WHICH AS I TOLD THE ATTORNEY FOR WATCH, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD HERE IN THE MEDIA.

THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, THIS IS A DOCUMENT?

NOW, THE FIREFIGHTER IN'S OFFICE SAYS THERE IS NO DOCUMENT SAYING, DO NOT COOPERATE WITH DEEP OR TATION.

THAT IS REALLY THE NARROW FOCUS HERE.

HOWEVER, WE KNOW THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY PUT OUT A STATEMENT SAYING WE WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH DEPORTATION.

HOW DOES THE DIRECTOR KNOW THAT.

DID HE WAKE UP ONE MOURN AND SAY I FEEL DISTURBANCENESS THE FORCE OR WAS HE TOLD OFFICIALLY OR UNOFFICIALLY BY THE GOVERNOR.

THIS IS THE POLICY.

BUT I THINK THE LAWSUIT CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG DEALS WITH STATEMENTS THAT THE GOVERNOR MADE A WEEK AFTER THE PRESIDENT WAS ELECTED AND BASICALLY SAYING THAT SHE WILL NOT COOPERATION WITH THE QUOTE HERE MISGUIDED POLICIES THAT HARM OUR COMMUNITIES.

I ENEMA, THIS IS ABOUT STATEMENTSES THAT SHE MADE.

IT SHOWNS AS THOUGH THAT IS A PASS SIS FOR THE LAWSUIT.

THEY HEARD THAT.

SAW THAT.

OH, OK, SO THIS IS THE POLICY, THERE MUST BE SOME CUBED OF DOCUMENTATION TO BACK THIS UP.

THAT IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE.

>> SO BASS CHY, COULD IT BE ARGUED THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE WE ARE GOING TO USE THE COURTS TO HELP US SEE IT.

>> WELL, OF COURSE, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE DO AS JOURNALIST, TOO.

>> WE ARE NOT THE COURTS LEGAL SYSTEM HERE.

>> YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOMETHING AS OPPOSED TO FUNDING IT.

>> THAT IS THE QUESTION.

IF IN FACT, THERE IS A POLICY, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT.

HOW DID THIS GET RESOLVED?

AGAIN, YOU POINT OUT.

THE GOVERNOR, AS YOU POINT OUT, THE GOVERNOR MADE STATEMENTS, WE WILL NOT DO THIS.

IT DISTURBS THE COMMUNITIES.

IT IS UNFAIR.

WE WILL NOT BE DOING THIS.

WELL, OK, BUT DPS HAS SUCH A POLICY BUT AGAIN, HOW DID IT GET FROM POINT A, MEANING THE GOVERNOR TO POINT B, THERE IS A PAPER TRAIL, THAT IS WHY IT IS FOR THE MOMENT A PUBLIC RECORD LAW.

A WHICH OF COURSE DID THE GOVERNOR ISSUE SUCH AN ORDER A AND THE SECOND QUESTION QUESTION IS.

DID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUEST COOPERATION.

>> WELL, EXACTLY.

THAT IS WHY WE WERE TALKING EARLIER.

IT COMES DOWN TO LUCK, LIKE, THIS IS JUST A PUBLIC RECORDS LAWSUIT AT THIS POINT.

BUT THE LARGER QUESTION IS, ARE THEY, IS VISUAL WATCH TRYING TO PROVE THE GOVERNOR IN SOME WAY BROKE EXISTING LAWS THAT SAY, YOU HAVE TO COOPERATE IF ASKED.

RIGHT.

WE DON'T KNOW WE DON'T KNOW IF SHE WERE OR WAS ASKED.

>> THAT IS CRUCIAL BECAUSE THIS REQUIREMENT, ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO SENATE BILL 1070 THE 2010 LAW WHICH WAS OVERTURNED AND DESIGNED TO TELL POLICE WHEN YOU STOP PEOPLE, YOU WILL ASK ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION TEST.

THAT WANT AWAY.

THIS PART WAS NEVER CHALLENGED SO IT IS STILL HERE.

NEVER REALLY BEEN TESTED.

THIS COULD BE THE FIRST TEST OF WHAT CONSTITUTES COOPERATION WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> MARK COOPERATION IS A WORD RARELY HEARD WHEN IT COMES TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND COUNTY RECORDER AND THERE HAS BEEN A COURT CASE AND THERE HAS BEEN A RULING ON THIS COURT CASE.

TALK TO BUS IT.

>> YEAH.

SO THE SUPERVISORS WANT TO DO AUDIT.

WE HEARD THEM BEFORE OF THE COUNTY'S ELECTION SYSTEM.

AND THEY WANT TO HIRE A COMPANY TO DO THAT.

AND JUSTIN WANTS TO BASICALLY BE UNCHARGE AND GET TO DECIDE, HE SAYS IT IS UP TO, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY, ALL THE STUFF WOULD BE AUDITED UNDER THE RECORD'S OFFICE JURISDICTION.

THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES WHO ARE SORT OF SPEARHEADING THIS EFFORT.

AND THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR SAID NO AND A JUDGE AGREED WITH THE COUNTY.

YEAH.

I BELIEVE THE RECORDER SAID, THAT THE AUDIT JEOPARDIZES PERSONAL INFORMATION WE CANNOT ALLOW FO THAT SORT OF THING AND A JUDGE SAID, NO I DON'T THINK SO.

YEAH.

BASICALLY.

THE REPORTER YOU KNOW, MADE SOME ARGUEPS IF YOU DO THIS.

AM NOT SURE THIS ARE THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE READY FOR ME.

THERE IS A PRIVACY CONCERN.

THE JUDGE SAYS, I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE THOSE ARE THE ARGUMENTS HE IS MAKING BUT THIS LARGER LAWSUIT THIS LARGER PICTURE IS ABOUT CONTROL AND WHO SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO AUDIT EQUIPMENT.

AND TRYING TO CLAW BACK SOME OF THAT AUTHORITY THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE OVER LEBS TO HIM.

>> AND THIS ISSUE AGAIN, THE SURFACE ISSUE IS USING, I WOULD SAY PRIVACY.

WHAT THE JUDGE SAID, I LOOKED AT THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE BEEN TOLD.

I DON'T SEE ANY CONTRARY EVIDENCE THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VETTED, THEY HAVE BEEN SCREENED.

THEY WILL NOT GET ACCESS TO CERTAIN INFORMATION.

AND ABSENCE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU CANNOT USE TO THIS TO SHOEHORN THE WAY IN TO A BEING.

THE TURF FIGHT HAS BEEN GOING ON BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SUPERVISOR DEPENDING ON THE BOARD WHO US THE COUNTY RECORDER.

FOR YEARS AND THIS IS JUST, JUST BEGINNING BOYS AND GIRLS.

>> WELL, AGAIN, AS JESSICA MENTIONED THE IDEA OF THE OUGHTED IT DID INTERIFFING ARE PRIMARIES.

THE JUDGE SAYS THAT IS SPECULATIVE.

>> YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YEAH, THE JUDGE SAID THAT IS NOT.

BASICALLY THAT IS NOT HOW IS WORKS.

RIGHT.

THE REALITY IS HOW HE IS RIGHT.

THIS HAS BEEN SUPERVISOR AND RECORDER I DON'T THINK THERE IS A WHOLE HECK OF A LOVE LOSS BETWEEN THOSE TWO ENTITIES THEN IT IS PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE SITTING IN A DRUM CIRCLE TOGETHER ANY TIME SOON.

>> NO.

BUT IT IS A POINT, HE MAKES THE POINT AS THIS OTHER RECORDERS HAVE HAD RESPONSIBILITIES X, Y AND Z AND SOME OF THAT ALPHABET WAS TAKEN AWAY AFTER THE BOARD FIGURED OUT, OH, WE GOT JUSTIN HEAP COMING IN HERE.

WE GOT ELECTION QUESTION COMING UNHERE.

MAYBE.

BUT THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS.

AND YES, THEY KALAMAZOO DO SOME CHANGES AFTER HE WAS ELECTED, BUT THIS IS, REALLY DATES BACK TO WHEN ADRIENNE SAN TEZ, OUR CURRENT SECRETARY OF STATE WAS MARRY COPE PAZ COUNTY RECORDER, THAT IS WHEN THE BOARD REALLY STARTED GOING WAIT A MINUTE.

I THINK WE NEED LAIL MORE CONTROL OVER ELECTIONS HERE.

>> RIGHT.

>> TECHNICALLY THE STATE CONSTITUTION GIVES MOST SELECTION RESPONGESES TO THE BOARD.

I WAS THEIR PREROGATIVE TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE RECORDER FOR MAN MANY YEARS OF WHAT THEY DY.

THAT IS NO NO LONGER HOW THEY THINK.

TED: BUT DOES HEAP HAVE PINT HERE?

THAT SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BACK.

OR SHOULD BE HIS RESPONSIBILITY SNOOK WELL, HE HAS GOT -- R -- HE HAS GOT HALF A IT PO.

YES.

THINGS WERE TAKEN BACK HEY SHALL BOARD MEMBERS, TELL YOU WHAT.

LET'S MAKE A DEAL HERE.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN CURB.

THIS IN TERM OF WHAT IS LEGALLY YOUR POINT IS CORRECT.

Z THE RECORDER IS IN CHARGE 6:00 OF REGISTERING VOTERS.

PS HOW, IN TERMS OF RUNS THE PUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

MANY CONIES YOU KNOW, INCLUDING MARICOPA HAS ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT.

AND SO, WHERE DOES THIS IF IT IN.

EARLY VOTING BELONGS THEN RE THIS VOTING AND BELONGS TO SUPERVISORS SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY CLEAR CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT AND LORD KNOW S THIS IS UP ON APPEAL, THE RECORDER IS ALL EN ALL.

ALL RIGHT.

AS WE NEXT,ED THIS IS PROBABLY THIS WILL BE GOING ON FOR AS LONG AS THIS RELATIONSHIP.

>> YEAH.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE ANIMOSITY OR WILL ENZ ANY TIME SOON.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL STOP IT THERE.

>> GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I AM TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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