
Journalists' Roundtable 11/1/24
Season 2024 Episode 220 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
It's Friday, and that means it's the Journalists' Roundtable!
It's Friday, which means it's time for another edition of the Journalists' Roundtable with Jeremy Duda of Axios Phoenix, Jen Fifield of VoteBeat and Camryn Sanchez of KJZZ Radio.
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Season 2024 Episode 220 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship♪ TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.
A LOOK AT WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE FINAL CAMPAIGN STRETCH PRIOR TO NEXT WEEK'S ELECTION.
THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."
TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M TED SIMONS.
IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.
AND JOINING US TONIGHT, JEREMY DUDA OF AXIOS PHOENIX, JEN FIFIELD OF VOTEBEAT AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ RADIO.
PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.
JEREMY, START TO YOU, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, EVERY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WAS IN TOWN YESTERDAY AND SOME WERE MAKING HEADLINES.
>> ONE WAS MAKING HEADLINES IN PARTICULAR.
FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS HERE, SHORING UP THE BASE WITH TUCKER CARLSON.
MAKING SOME -- FOLKS FOUND OFF-PUTTING REMARKS ABOUT FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY.
SO YEAH, I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY VISITS WE'VE HAD FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, SURROGATES AND PROXIES, ALL BEEN HERE THE PAST MONTH SINCE VOTING STARTED, IT'S ALMOST OVER.
>> THREE TIMES FOR TRUMP AND TWO TIMES FOR HARRIS IN THE PAST MONTH.
THIS IS RALLYING THE BASE, GETTING OUT THE VOTE?
>> IT IS, HIS MODERATES AREN'T GOING TO ATTRACT THE VOTES HE NEEDS.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO RALLY THE BASE, YOU COULD LOSE FOLKS ON THE FRINGES?
>> PERHAPS HE DOESN'T THINK HE NEEDS THEM.
>> CAMRYN, YOU HAVE BEEN TO A FEW RALLIES.
>> I'VE BEEN TO SO MANY ARE.
>> WE AT A POINT WHERE PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR?
IT'S JUST GETTING THEM TO THE POLLS?
>> I THINK SO, I DON'T THINK TRUMP IS CONCERNED WITH BEING SUPER CONTROLLED AND FOLLOWING SCRIPT AND NOT OFFENDING PEOPLE, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE LOVE ABOUT HIM.
I LOVE HE'S SO AUTHENTIC AND GOES OFFSCRIPT AND REAL AND DOESN'T OFFEND PEOPLE.
MAYBE PEOPLE LOVE IT.
I THINK HIS SUPPORTERS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MIND BASED ON THAT COMMENT.
OUT OF ALL THE THINGS HE SAID OR DONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE THE THING.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> THERE IS PROBABLY LATE BREAKING UNDECIDEDS.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE FOCUSED ON THEM.
FEEL LIKE THAT COULD BREAK THEIR WAY, AND BASED ON TRUMP'S COMMENTS IN THE LAST WEEK OR COMMENTS OTHER FOLKS HAVE MADE AT THE RALLIES.
THE PUERTO RICANS XHEVENLT I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS WERE UNHAPPY ABOUT.
FOLKS FROM OUT HERE, FROM YESTERDAY.
I THINK DEMOCRATS AND THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN ARE DEFINITELY HOPING THAT HELPS PERSUADE LATE-BREAKING UNDECIDEDS TO GO THEIR WAY.
>> TALKING ABOUT PROTECTING WOMEN WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT.
THE FLOATING GARBAGE NOT MADE BY HIM BUT A COMEDIAN AT ONE OF HIS RALLIES.
IS THIS CHANGING PEOPLE'S MINDS?
>> I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED HAVE THEIR MIND MADE UP.
I'M NOT MAKING PREDICTIONS.
>> JEN, STICKING WITH YOU, TALK ABOUT CONCERNS REGARDING THE ELECTION, AND WE'LL START WITH ELECTION NIGHT AND DELAYED RESULTS.
HOW LIKELY WILL WE SEE -- FIRST OF ALL, 8:00 IS USUALLY WHEN WE GET SOMETHING.
WILL WE GET SOMETHING AT 8:00?
>> WE WILL, WE'LL GET ALL EARLY VOTES UP TO FRIDAY, UP TO TODAY.
>> AND THEN WHEN DOES THE NEXT BATCH DROP.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA?
>> WE DON'T.
I EXPECT AROUND 10:30.
START LOOKING FOR MORE RESULTS.
>> YEAH, AND PROBABLY LATER RATHER THAN EARLIER BECAUSE THE BALLOT IS SO LONG.
>> YES, AND IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE ACCORDING TO ELECTION OFFICIALS WE TALK TO ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT TAKES LONGER TO FILL OUT.
IT TAKES LONGER TO COUNT THEM, TO PROCESS EVERYTHING, AND EVEN THOUGH WE GET THE FIRST DROP AROUND 8:00, A COUPLE MINUTES AFTER.
THE SECOND ONE IS NOT EXPECTED TO COME AFTER LONGER THAN USUAL.
>> AND DROPPEDOFF BALLOTS, THE BAIN OF EVERY ELECTION WORKER, PROBABLY MORE SO THIS GO-AROUND, HUH?
>> THE EARLY BALLOT DROP-OFFS HAVE BEEN HARD TO PREDICT THE LAST COUPLE OF ELECTIONS, CHANGING TRENDS IN HOW THOSE WORK.
THOSE ARE THE LAST BALLOTS COUNTED BECAUSE ELECTION WORKERS HAVE TO VERIFY THE SIGNATURES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS THAT GET DROPPED OFF ON ELECTION DAY.
THEY CANNOT BE SEPARATED FROM ENVELOPES UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
YOU GET INTO THE 10- TO 13-DAY WAIT TO FINALIZE THE BALLOTS, UP TO A WEEK OR MORE TO CALL SOME OF THE RACES, WHICH COULD BE THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN ARIZONA.
WE COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS WAITING TO SEE HOW ARIZONA VOTES TO FIGURE OUT WHO WINS THE PRESIDENCY AND MIGHT BE WAITING 10 TO 13 DAYS TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO VERIFY THE BALLOTS.
>> THE DROP-OFF, CONCERNING THE NEW LAW, YOU HAVE TO COUNT THE THINGS THERE BEFORE YOU CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP?
>> YOU DO, WHICH WILL DELAY THE ELECTION-DAY RESULTS, TOO.
THEY'LL BE TRAPPED AT POLLING PLACES UNTIL THEY LEAVE.
WE WANT TO SEE THE FINAL ELECTION-DAY RESULTS, WHEN ARE THOSE GOING TO COME?
AFTER MIDNIGHT, WE MAKE THE CALL AT THAT POINT.
IS MEDIA CALLING THE RACE, OR COULD IT BE DAYS?
THAT'S WHEN WE KNOW THE RESULTS.
>> THEY HAVE TO COUNT AND STAY THERE UNTIL THE LAST PERSON IN LINE, AND 7:00, THE LINE COULD BE STRETCHED OUT FAR BECAUSE EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH JUDGE TO KEEP OR GO?
>> WE COULD BE CLOSING DOWN NOT UNTIL 8:30 OR SO.
>> AS FAR AS DROP-OFF BALLOTS, ARE WE EXPECTING MORE THIS GO-AROUND?
>> I DON'T KNOW THIS GO-AROUND, IT IS A POPULAR FORM OF VOTING, YOU ARE BASICALLY TRAPPED UNDER THE AVALANCHE OF THE BALLOTS, THE THEME IN "HARRY POTTER" WITH THE LETTERS COMING THROUGH THE CHIMNEY, AND IT'S OVERWHELMING FOR ELECTION WORKERS BUT A VALID FORM OF VOTING, BUT I EXPECT A GOOD CHUNK OF ARIZONANS SHOW UP AT THE LAST-MINUTE.
>> SURE, AND WE'VE SEEN RACES SWING AT THE EARLY BALLOT DROP-OFF, HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BROKEN HARD FOR DEMOCRATS AS A POPULAR WAY FOR DEMOCRATS TO VOTE.
IN 2018, TIGHT RACES AT THE END OF ELECTION NIGHT THAT REPUBLICANS HAD NARROW LEADS THAT DEMOCRATS TOOK AS LEADS IN THE COMING DAYS.
2020, YOU SAW TRUMP AND OTHER REPUBLICANS TELLING PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE EARLY SO REPUBLICANS STARTED DROPPING OFF ON ELECTION DAY AND YOU SAW THE RED FLOOD OF VOTES IN THE WEEK AFTER THE ELECTION.
TWO YEARS AGO WAS A LITTLE MORE MIXED.
THIS YEAR I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO EXPECT.
>> YEAH, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS WITH THE NEW LAW.
BALLOTS AREN'T COUNTED UNTIL SIGNATURES ARE VERIFIED, OFTEN THE NEXT DAY, WHAT ARE WE COUNTING THEM FOR AT THE POLLING PLACES?
WE'RE GOING TO COUNT THEM LATER, ANYWAY.
>> THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN OVER HOW BALLOTS RETRACT IN THE NEW SYSTEM.
YOU COUNT THE NUMBER OF BALLOT ENVELOPES AND TRACK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
>> ALL RIGHT, AND JEN, THE TWO PAGE BALLOT, THE FIRST ONE IN 20 YEARS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
THAT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE VAST SCHEME OF THINGS, DOES IT NOT?
>> DEFINITELY DOES.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WATCH.
>> TWO MILLION PIECES OF PAPER, NOW FOUR MILLION PIECES OF PAPER?
THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
>> THAT'S 2022 PRIMARY NUMBERS.
WE'LL SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL PAPER JAMS BECAUSE VOTERS DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IF THE PAPER JAMS?
PAPER DOESN'T JAM, WITH A TWO PAGE BALLOT, BACKUP, FREEWAY TRAFFIC, GOODNESS GRACIOUS.
>> HOPEFULLY NOT A CIVIL WAR BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THINK IT'S FRAUD, WHICH IS THE REAL FEAR THAT'S HANGING OVER THIS ELECTIONS, AND ALL ARIZONA ELECTIONS OVER THE PAST FEW CYCLES.
THERE IS A PROCESS TO CURE BALLOTS, FIX BALLOTS, FIX PAPER JAMS.
YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE CALLED IF THE SIGNATURE DOESN'T MATCH.
IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS, IT TENDS TO BREED THEORIES THAT SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG ON PURPOSE.
>> SURE, THINK HOW MUCH LITIGATION WE'RE SEEING WHEN THIS HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO IN THE GENERAL ELECTION FOR A DIFFERENT ISSUE, AND YOU HAD THE TABULATEORS NOT READING THE BALLOTS BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH THE PRINTER.
PEOPLE ARE ANGRY ABOUT THAT TWO YEARS LAIRD.
IF WE HAVE ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE TWO PAGE BALLOTS AND CAUSING LONG LINES, LONG WAITS, REMEMBER THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY IN 2016, PEOPLE ARE ANGRY ABOUT THAT, THEY WERE IN LINE FOR FIVE HOURS.
>> IN TRACKING THE BALLOTS THEMSELVES, DOES THAT CHANGE?
IS IT MORE DIFFICULT, I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE, WITH THE TWO-PAGE BALLOT?
>> DEFINITELY.
WHAT IF YOU ONLY RETURN ONE PAGE, HOW DO YOU TELL HOW MANY BALLOTS HAVE BEEN CAST?
IF YOU ARE USED TO COUNTING BY PAGE, COMPARING THAT TO THE NUMBER OF VOTERS WHO SHOW UP, SOUNDS LIKE A TECHNICAL THING, IT IS.
WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT NUMBERS, THEY MAKE CONCLUSIONS, THAT MEANS FRAUD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS, REPUBLICAN PARTY WANTED EMERGENCY MEETING REGARDING DEALING WITH, JUST TRACKING THE BALLOTS AND MAKING SURE THE COUNTY RECORDERS AROUND THE STATE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING?
>> YEAH, THEY ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TWO PAGE BALLOT, THE LINES AND WHAT THAT WOULD PRODUCE IF THE COUNTY PLANNED FOR THAT.
WE HAVE SEEN LINES IN EARLY VOTING.
I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK HOPEFULLY THE COUNTY PREPARED FOR THIS LONG BALLOT WILL.
>> IS THAT YOUR IMPRESSION?
THE COUNTY IS PREPARED FOR THIS?
>> AS PREPARED AS THEY CAN BE.
IT'S BEEN COMING A LONG TIME.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE SURE VOTERS KNOW HOW AND WHEN THEY CAN VOTE.
THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO TO AVOID THE LINES.
TO AN EXTENT LINES ARE INEVITABLE, WHEN YOU FEEL IN LINE, LINES PRETTY MUCH ALWAYS HAPPEN ON ELECTION DAY.
I AM NERVOUS AS SOMEONE WHO LIKES TO VOTE ON ELECTION DAY.
I MIGHT GET UP AT 5:00 TO ENSURE I'M NOT STAYING THE WHOLE DAY AT THE POLLING PLACE.
>> YOU WILL RUN INTO A LINE NO MATTER WHAT?
>> TODAY OR BEFORE TODAY IS THE BEST TIME TO GO.
WE'RE SEEING LINES, AN HOUR TO VOTE JUST DRIVING BY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BY MY HOUSE.
CARS BACKED UP INTO THE STREET INTO THE AREA WHERE THEY PARK TO VOTE.
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IN THE DECADE I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
>> OH, BOY, THANKS, JEREMY FOR THAT ONE.
BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION SHOW HERE "ARIZONA HORIZON" AT 10:00, INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU GET THE FIRST BATCH IN.
WHEN YOU GET READY TO GET OFF THE AIR, THINGS SWITCH, AND WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS NICE IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT, EVERYTHING IS SWITCHED.
EARLY BALLOTS UP TO THE WEEKEND BEFORE ELECTION DAY WILL BE THE FIRST THING WE SEE?
>> YES, AND IT WILL GO TO ELECTION-DAY RESULTS FROM THE PRECINCTS CLOSEST TO DOWNTOWN PHOENIX.
SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE ANYONE WHO CAN MAKE IT THERE QUICKEST AND HAS THE SHORTEST LINES WILL BE THE FIRST RESULTS.
>> THE FIRST BATCH THAT COMES IN, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE VOTE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> 5% OF THE ELECTION DAY VOTES.
NOT MUCH.
YOU HAVE TO GET THEM TO THE RECEIVING SITES FIRST, AND BRING THEM TO CENTRAL COUNT.
IT'S A LONG PROCESS.
I WOULD SAY IF YOU GO TO BED, DON'T THINK YOU KNOW THE RESULTS.
WAIT UNTIL THE MORNING TO KNOW THAT.
>> IN THE MORNING, ARE YOU EVEN GOING TO KNOW THAT?
>> I THINK IF WE SEE -- THEY CALCULATE THE TRENDS ARE GOING A CERTAIN WAY LIKE JEREMY SAID AND CONFIDENT WHOEVER CAST EARLY BALLOTS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DROP THEM OFF EARLY.
SAME AMOUNT OF REPUBLICANS, SAME TYPE OF REPUBLICANS.
AP MIGHT BE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO CALL IT OVERNIGHT.
IF THEY DON'T, MIGHT BE EVEN RECOUNT TERRITORY WHERE THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, WE'RE DECLARING SOMEONE.
>> AND THE LAST BALLOTS COUNTED WOULD BE ELECTION DAY DROP-OFFS AT THE POLLS?
>> YES.
>> THOSE WOULD BE THE LAST ONES COUNTED.
>> THE ONCE GOING INTO THE PROCESS AFTER ONE OR TWO DAYS WHERE SIGNATURES ARE VERIFIED, THEN WE FIND THAT OUT.
>> THAT COULD TAKE A DAY, IT COULD TAKE SOME TIME.
>> YEAH, THEY SAID THEY'LL BE COUNTING FOR 10 TO 13 DAYS, A FIVE-DAY PERIOD FOR PEOPLE TO FIX THE ISSUE WITH THE SIGNATURE AND AT THE END OF THE FIVE DAYS WE'RE 99% DONE.
WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT.
>> YOU GOING TO LOOK FOR THAT?
YOU FEEL CONFIDENT?
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR IT, DOESN'T IT?
>> I HAVE HOPE THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GO OKAY, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT, YES, ON ELECTION NIGHT EVERYTHING MIGHT NOT BE AS IT SEEMS AND WE'RE OBLIGATED TO SAY SO AND SO SEEMS TO LEADING BUT ONLY A FRACTION OF THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, AND YOU HAVE TO HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR A WHILE.
WITH YASSAMIN ANSARI AND RACQUEL, THOSE VOTES TAKE FOREVER TO CALL.
>> DEPENDS WHAT THE LEADS LOOK LIKE ON ELECTION NIGHT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE ELECTION DAY VOTER RESULTS COME IN, THOSE SKEW HEAVILY REPUBLICAN.
ONCE THOSE COME IN, SOME OF THE RACES WILL HAVE AN IDEA, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHERE THERE'S A BLOWOUT OR A BIG LEAD, BUT I MEAN, PRESIDENTS, SOME OF THE OTHERS, WHO IN THE WORLD KNOWS HOW CLOSE SOME OF THESE WOULD BE AT THE END.
THE LAST BATCH OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RACE, WE DIDN'T FIGURE OUT WHO WON UNTIL THAT WAS DONE.
>> LAST QUESTION ON THE PARTICULAR ASPECT, ARE ELECTION OFFICIALS, RECORDERS, WHOLE NINE YARDS, ARE THEY CONFIDENT, CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC, OR REAL CONCERN OUT THERE?
>> RELATED TO SECURING THE VOTES, SECURING THE PROCESS, THEY'RE FAIRLY CONFIDENT THEY HAVE IT DOWN.
REGARDING HOW MUCH CAN YOU DO TO AVOID TECHNOLOGY FAILURES OR LONG LINES, THEY THINK THEY'VE DONE THE BEST THEY CAN.
BUT IT'S UP IN THE AIR.
>> TALK ABOUT SECURITY CONCERNS, CAMRYN, IMMENSE PLANNING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS HAS GONE INTO MAKING THIS A PRETTY SECURE PROCESS.
WHAT MORE DO WE KNOW?
>> YES, SEEN THE HEADLINES ABOUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SNIPERS, PREPARED, POSSIBLY DRONES, FIRST AID KITS IN CASE OF DANGER AND ACTIVE SHOOTING DRILLS FOR ELECTIONS OFFICIALS.
IT'S SHOCKING OUT OF CONTEXT, SHOCKING IN CONTEXT HONESTLY LIKE WE'RE PREPARING FOR A WAR, HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT, THE SHERIFF IS TRYING TO BE OVERPREPARED AS POSSIBLE.
MAYBE NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL AND SEEMS LIKE WE'RE VERY DRAMATIC, THERE IS ALWAYS THE POTENTIAL SOMEONE THINKS THERE IS FRAUD AND GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S GOING NEGATIVELY AFFECT ELECTION WORKERS.
>> AND THE SHERIFF SAID ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WITH ANY OF THIS?
>> EVERYONE IS SO ON EDGE.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.
YOU WANT TO BE PREPARED THE SECOND SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HEAD THAT OFF.
>> YEAH, AND JEREMY.
WE HEARD ABOUT THE FENCING AND THE BARRICADES AND METAL DETECTORS AND THE DRONES AND THE POSSIBLE SNIPERS AND ALL THIS BUSINESS.
WHAT ABOUT THE DAY AFTER?
I MEAN, ISN'T THAT WHEN YOU SEE FOLKS WHO AREN'T GETTING WHAT THEY WANT START TO MAKE NOISE?
>> DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RACES LOOK LIKE, ESPECIALLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
WE SAW THAT.
AND OTHER STATES IN PHILADELPHIA THEY WERE BANGING ON THE WINDOWS AND DOORING.
HUGE CROWDS OF PROTESTERS WITH ALEX JONES OUT HERE FOR A WHILE AND OTHER PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
FOUR YEARS AGO OUTSIDE OF THE MARICOPA COUNTY CENTER, THEY CAN'T GET IN THE PARKING LOT NOW BECAUSE OF MULTIPLE LAYERS OF FENCING.
NOT TO SAY THERE MIGHT NOT BE A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE.
>> A TWO TIERED SYSTEM, HAVE YOU EVERYTHING ON ELECTION DAY, AND ONCE ELECTION DAY IS OVER, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT GOES ON, YOU GOT TO SECURE THAT AS WELL?
>> YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR VOTERS, AT THE POLLS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY SECURITY.
FOR A PURPOSE, WE DO NOT HAVE ARMED GUARDS AT POLLS.
MIGHT BE INTIMIDATING TO VOTERS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE SNIPERS AT THE POLLS.
THESE ARE THE NIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION AT THE CENTRAL BALLOT FACILITY WHERE COUNTING IS TAKES PLACE.
POLLING PLACES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A FUN AND DEMOCRATIC PLACE TO GO WHERE YOU FEEL SAFE AND TRYING TO PROVIDE THAT WHILE YOU HAVE THE BACKUP ON THE SIDE.
>> WE SHOULD MENTION ELECTION HEADQUARTERS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AS FAR AS MONITORING SOCIAL MEDIA FOR SECURITY THREATS AND MISINFORMATION, IT'S GOING ON TOO, ISN'T IT?
>> IT IS.
THE ELECTION WORKERS ARE IN COMMUNICATION WATCHING SOCIAL MEDIA, MAKING SURE POSTS AREN'T SPREADING MISINFORMATION, THAT THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE AWARE OF ON ELECTION DAY AND BEYOND.
>> ARE WE HEARING THAT LESSONS WERE LEARNED LAST TIME SO WE'RE NOT HEARING THAT QUITE AS MUCH?
>> I WOULDN'T GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT LESSONS WERE LEARNED LAST TIME.
AT THE LAST PRESS CONFERENCE THE SHERIFF MADE THE COMMENTS, THEY WERE MONITORING THEM HOURLY, QUITE REGULARLY AND QUITE MILITANTLY, AND IT'S NOT FOR POSTS LIKE I THINK THE COUNTY RECORDER IS UGLY, I HATE THAT GUY.
IT'S I'M GOING TO KILL OR SPREADING ACTUAL MISINFORMATION OR DISINFORMATION THAT VOTERS COULD SEE OR SWAY THEM FROM VOTING OR GIVE BAD INFORMATION THAT COULD AFFECT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.
>> THAT'S ZERO TOLERANCE ON STUFF LIKE THAT?
>> SURE.
LOOK AT WHAT'S SPREAD ON SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT A LOT YOU CAN DO UNTIL PEOPLE START SHOWING UP AT ELECTION CENTER.
WHAT'S ON SOCIAL MEDIA COULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA, YOU SEE A WILD UBER DRIVING AROUND AND PEOPLE WITH SIGNS AND GOD KNOWS WHAT.
>> JEREMY, WE'LL STICK WITH THE LIST OF VOTERS, THE MVD, THE JUDGE SAYS GIVE ME THE NAMES, THEY NEED TO BE MADE PUBLIC TO A POINT, CORRECT?
>> YEAH, MADE PUBLIC, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THE NAMES CANNOT CONTACT ANYONE UNTIL AFTER ELECTION DAY.
THEY ARE VERY LIMITED WHO THEY CAN PROVIDE THE NAMES TO AND A LOT MORE NAMENESS THAT WILL BE TURNED OVER.
SINCE THIS FIRST BLEW UP, ELECTION OFFICIALS FOUND OUT THERE ARE A LOT MORE PEOPLE WHO FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF MISTAKENLY BEING LISTED AS HAVING PROVIDED PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP.
FOR NOW UNLESS SECRETARY OF STATE FONTES APPEALS, WHICH I WASN'T SO SURE ABOUT, THE LAST I SPOKE WITH HIS OFFICE, WEIGHING THEIR OPTIONS, IT MAY BE A LITTLE TOO STRONG, WE'RE WEIGHING OUR OPTIONS, THEY HAVE TO BE TURNED OVER BY NOON ON MONDAY AND IF THERE'S AN APPEAL AN INJUNCTION STOPS THAT.
IF THIS IS A CLOSE RACE, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS USED AS THE BASIS OF COMBING THROUGH THE NAMES TO SEE WHO IS A CITIZEN, WHO MIGHT NOT BE A CITIZEN?
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY'RE NOT A CITIZEN AND WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT IT?
PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY VOTED.
IF YOU SHOWED UP IN PERSON ON ELECTION DAY, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO TAKE THAT BACK.
YOU CAN SEE THE SEEDS OF DOUBT SOWN THROUGHOUT THE CASE.
>> WE HAD A FEW LAWS, ONE SHOWING PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP IN THE FORM OF A DRIVER'S LICENSE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND A DIFFERENT LAW.
ONE FROM 2004 AND 1996.
THE RESULT WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE REGISTERED IN THE SYSTEM HAVING PROVIDED DOCUMENTARY PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.
IT'S LIKELY THAT MOST OF THEM OR EVEN ALL OF THEM ARE ARIZONA CITIZENS WHO HAVE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO SUPPLY, BUT NOW HAVE TO PROVE IT AND THERE'S CONCERN THAT NONCITIZENS COULD BE VOTING ARIZONA, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME, AND SO THERE'S A GROUP THAT WANTS TO CHECK IT OUT AND BASICALLY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THOSE PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND REACH OUT TO THEM AND TRY TO PROVE IT.
>> BUT THE INFORMATION STICKS WITH THE COUNTY RECORDERS, DOES IT NOT?
NOT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER, AM I GETTING THAT RIGHT?
>> LET'S HOPE SO, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE IT TO COUNTY RECORDERS, IF A COUNTY RECORDER IDENTIFIES SOMEONE WHO HASN'T PROVIDED PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP ON MONDAY WHEN THEY GET THE LIST, THAT COULD LEAD TO LEGAL CHALLENGES SAYING IF YOU KNEW THIS INFORMATION, WHY DID YOU SIT ON IT?
BUT THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT THE VOTERS DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING BEFORE THE ELECTION.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD CASE TO MAKE BUT STILL GOING TO COME UP, I'M SURE.
>> THE COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICIALS DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO LOOK AT NAMES, LET'S CONTACT THEM FOR PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP WHILE PROCESSING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS.
THERE'S A SEPARATE LAWSUIT DEMANDING THAT THE COUNTY RECORDERS GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WITH FEDERAL ONLY VOTERS, DIDN'T PROVIDE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP, THE JUDGE SAYS THAT HASN'T GONE ANYWHERE.
NO ONE IS GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO IT ON MONDAY OR TUESDAY BEFORE THE POLLS CLOSE.
THIS IS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE ELECTIONS WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY.
>> AND SECURITY IS AN ISSUE AS WELL AS SECRETARY FONTES WAS SAYING, I DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE THREATENED OR VIOLENCE COULD BE POSSIBLE.
SAYING ALL THIS STUFF BUT THE JUDGE BASICALLY SAID NO.
>> OUR PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS ARE PRETTY TRANSPARENT HERE.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE A STRONG CASE, IT'S IN THE STATE'S BEST INTEREST TO WITHHOLD THE INFORMATION AND THE COURT IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT UNLESS YOU PROVE THE PEOPLE ARE IN REAL DANGER RIGHT NOW.
>> THE JUDGE SAID THERE IS NO CREDIBLE THREATS.
POLITICAL UNDERTONES ASIDE, THIS IS A SIMPLE PUBLIC RECORDS CASE.
>> A FEW MINUTES HERE, GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE ELECTION AND WHAT YOU ARE KEEPING YOUR EYE ON.
CAMRYN, START WITH YOU.
>> DON'T WANT TO STEAL ALL THE GOOD STUFF.
BALLOT MEASURES, OPEN PRIMARIES, TWO COMPETING MEASURES AND ABORTION AND ELECTION SECURITY.
THOSE AND RETENTION, THOSE ARE THE TOP FIVE.
>> WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING, JEREMY?
>> THE COUNTY RECORDER IS WIDE OPEN NOW THAT STEPHEN RICHER LOST HIS PRIMARY.
YOU HAVE DEMOCRATS COULD THEORETICALLY TAKE CONTROL OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS -- >> MAYBE NEVER.
>> POSSIBLY NEVER, DECADES AT THE VERY LEAST.
AND ON TOP OF THE RACE RESULTS, LOOKING AT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING EARLY BALLOT RETURNS, REPUBLICANS SURGED AHEAD OF DEMOCRATS, SEEING RENEWED EFFORT AFTER TWO YEARS OF PEOPLE DISSUADING THEM FROM VOTING EARLY, TRYING TO GET THE EARLY VOTE OUT.
HOW THAT PLAYS COULD CHANGE HOW THINGS HAPPEN ON ELECTION DAY.
IF THESE ARE NEW VOTERS GOING TO VOTE ON ELECTION DAY, ARE THEY EARLY OR GOING TO VOTE WITH THE FLOOD OF VOTES ON ELECTION DAY?
>> YEAH, WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING?
YOU'RE PROBABLY WATCHING PROCESS A LOT?
>> PROCESS A LOT FOR SURE.
I'M LOOKING AT -- WE HAD A CASE WHERE A POLL WORKER WAS RECORDING TRAINING LAST WEEK.
WHAT KIND OF INSIDE THREATS MAY WE SEE FROM POLL WORKERS DURING THIS?
THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE.
LONG LINES.
BUT WITH THE RESULTS, I'M FASCINATED BY COUNTY RECORDER RACE FROM HERE ACROSS THE STATE, AND GOING TO BE SEEING HOW ELECTIONS MAY CHANGE DUE TO THE RESULTS.
>> AND REAL QUICKLY FOR ALL OF YOU, BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE POLLS CLOSING, A LOT OF THINGS BACK EAST ARE HAPPENING, AND WE'LL HAVE A GOOD INDICATION WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WHAT HAPPENS OUT HERE?
>> THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF BREAKING NEWS FROM THE EAST WHO'S WINNING AND LOSING, AND A LOT OF IMPATIENCE WITH ARIZONA, AND WHY HAVEN'T WE GOTTEN YOUR RESULTS YET, AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MARICOPA COUNTY AND FRAUD?
THAT'S GOING TO BE FUN, BUT FUN BECAUSE EVERYONE IS LOOKING AT US.
>> AND EVERYONE LOOKING AT THE EASTERN STATES WITH SO MUCH EARLY VOTING, AND REMEMBER ON END OF ELECTION NIGHT FOUR YEARS AGO, TRUMP WAS WINNING PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN AND BECAUSE THEY INTRODUCED EARLY VOTING, THINGS CHANGED.
I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF IMPATIENCE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, WON'T BE JUST US AT LEAST.
>> TUESDAY NIGHT COULD BE A DIFFERENT THING ON WEDNESDAY MORNING AND A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
>> TRUE, I'M HOPING NO ONE CARES ABOUT ARIZONA, TO BE HONEST.
HOPING EVERYTHING GOES WELL AT THE POLLS AND HOPE OTHER STATES DECIDE IT FOR US.
>> FROM GOD'S MOUTH TO OUR EARS.
OO PANEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I'M TED SIMONS.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

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