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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE PENTAGON INVESTIGATING SENATOR MARK KELLY'S REMARKS REGARDING TROOPS AND UNLAWFUL ORDERS.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND JOINING US TONIGHT, RAY STERN FROM THE "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" AND AZCENTRAL.COM.

HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES AND WAYNE SCHUTSKY FROM KJZZ RADIO.

PANEL GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

RAY, START WITH YOU, HOURS BEFORE WE GOT HERE AND GOT READY TO GO WITH THE SHOW, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT A NEW CANDIDATE IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> AS IF IT WASN'T CROWDED ENOUGH, WE HAVE JOSEPH CHAPLIK JOINING THE GROUP THERE.

TED: BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR IN CHAPLIK, WE GOT JAY FEELY.

>> A NEWER ONE.

I'M SORRY.

EVEN NEWER.

HE'S A FORMER CARDINALS PLAYER, AND APPARENTLY TRUMP DIDN'T LIKE THE FACT HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST MARK LAMB, WHO'S THE SHERIFF FROM PINAL COUNTY THAT TRUMP ENDORSED IN C D-5, AND TRUMP SAID CAN YOU FIND ANOTHER OFFICE TO GO INTO OR ANOTHER DISTRICT.

HE DID.

HE'S JUMPING INTO CD-1.

TED: RUNNING IN CD-5, TRUMP SAYS GO FIND SOMETHING ELSE, DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, LEAVING ASIDE WHETHER FOOTBALL PLAYERS MAKE GREAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, BUT HE'S NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME OTHER THAN THE FOLKS FOLLOWING THE CARDINALS, AND WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THEIR SEASON THIS YEAR, BUT YOU GOT THE QUESTION OF LOOK WHO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN IT WHO HAVE HIGHER NAME ID.

CERTAINLY, JOSEPH CHAPLIK, A STATE LAWMAKER, BEEN THERE AWHILE.

HAS THE ENDORSEMENT, IF YOU WILL, OF THE FOLKS IN THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND SUCH, AND GINA SVOBODA, THE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, ALSO NAME ID.

AS WE ALWAYS DISCUSS, WHEN YOU GOT 12 PEOPLE IN A RACE, SOMEBODY WITH 15% COULD WALK AWAY WITH IT.

TED: SVOBODA IS THE EARLY LEADER HERE?

>> SHE HAS A SOFT TRUMP ENDORSEMENT.

WHEN SHE ANNOUNCED HER CAMPAIGN, IT CAME WITH A PHOTO OF TRUMP ENDORSING HER, AND HE ENDORSED HER IN THE PAST FOR LEADING THE STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

WE'VE SEEN ENDORSEMENTS FROM TRUMP GROW IN THE PACK, CHAPLIK HAS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS BACKING AND TRUMP HAS JAY FEELY, HE GOLFS WITH HIM.

I THINK THIS RESTS WHO THE PRESIDENT ULTIMATELY BACKS IN THIS RACE OR WHETHER HE BACKS ANYONE VOCALLY.

IF HE COMES OUT STRONG BEHIND ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE, THAT COULD GIVE THEM THE EDGE TO GET THE EXTRA FEW POINTS THEY NEED.

TED: FEELY, NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THE PRESIDENT, FAVORED OF TURNING POINT.

THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYING GET OUT OF 5 AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

HE DID FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

AND TURNING POINT, NOT A BIG FAN OF GINA SVOBODA HERE.

THINGS ARE ROILING IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT 1 ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I'D SAY FEELY IS TURNING POINT NUMBER ONE -- TED: NO, BUT ANYONE GOING AGAINST GINA SVOBODA.

>> TURNING POINT GOES SCORCHED EARTH AGAINST ANYONE PERCEIVED AS A THREAT.

THEY DID A GENTPUSH IN THIS CASE AND THE PRESIDENT FOLLOWED SUIT, SAYING LOOK FOR ANOTHER RACE.

>> WE'RE ASSUMING THE PRESIDENT'S ENDORSEMENT, SOFT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT MEANS SOMETHING.

LOOK AT THE GOVERNOR'S RACE, KARRIN TAYLOR ROBSON, YOU WON'T FIND A COMMERCIAL ABOUT HER WITHOUT A PICTURE OF DONALD TRUMP.

YOU GOT ANDY BIGGS WHO SAID BUT I GOT A REAL ENDORSEMENT FROM THE PRESIDENT.

SO MY ENDORSEMENT IS YOUR ENDORSEMENT.

AND DAVID SCHWEIKERT SAID I'VE BEEN VOTING WITH THE PRESIDENT ALL THESE YEARS, SO WHAT'S THE POINT?

TED: LET'S GET TO JOSEPH CHAPLIK, YOUR FIRST RESPONSE WITH JOSEPH CHAPLIK, DID ANNOUNCE HIS RUN, FAR RIGHT MEMBER OF FREEDOM CAUCUS, I GUESS IT'S CONSERVATIVE AND CONSERVATIVE PLUS IN THAT DISTRICT, THAT PRIMARY RACE, I SHOULD SAY?

>> RIGHT, AND CHAPLIK HAS BEEN GETTING THE SUPPORT FROM THE FREEDOM CAUCUS FOR FIVE YEARS NOW.

SO YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT'S INTERESTING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT JAY FEELY AND WHETHER THIS WILL CAUSE DISRUPTION WITHIN THAT GROUP THAT SVOBODA CAN CAPITALIZE ON.

CHAPLIK IS FORMER ETHICS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN.

HE WAS THE AXON LEGISLATION THAT ENABLED THEM TO WANT TO STAY HERE, WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD THE HUGE APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND HE LIKES SOME CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE OUTSPOKEN WHEN THE CONTRAIL PEOPLE, THE CHEM TRAILS CAME TO THE LEGISLATURE AND THERE'S A BILL SPONSORED BY REPRESENTATIVE LISA FINK THAT WOULD HAVE OUTLAWED CHEM TRAILS WHICH REALLY DON'T EXIST, AND CHAPLIK WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THE CLOUDS SEEM DIFFERENT THESE DAYS.

TED: HOW DOES THAT PLAY -- I UNDERSTAND, IT'S THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PRIMARY HERE, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, IT'S KIND OF MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BREED OF REPUBLICANS OUT THERE.

>> IT ISN'T QUITE LIKE WHERE ANDY BIGGS CAME FROM IN TERMS OF DISTRICT 5.

YOU HAVE MORE MODERATE FOLKS THERE.

YOU'VE GOT SEGMENTS OF SCOTTSDALE THAT ARE MUCH MORE LIKE MIDTOWN PHOENIX.

YOU HAVE MODERATE REPUBLICANS, WHERE JANE HULL CAME FROM WHEN SHE WAS GOVERNOR.

NOW, THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES WHO IS BETTER OFF IN A GENERAL ELECTION?

NOW, ARE THE REPUBLICANS THINKING THAT FAR AHEAD IN TERMS OF WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO CAN MOVE FOLKS TO THE CENTER?

THAT'S HARD TO SAY.

I THINK YOUR POINT ABOUT AXON BUYS HIM A LOT OF GOODWILL AMONG FOLKS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY BELIEVE AXON IS A GOOD TENANT, THEY BELIEVE WHY DID THE LEGISLATURE AND THIS GOVERNOR DECIDE OUR PETITIONS DON'T MATTER, AND THAT BUYS YOU GOODWILL.

TED: WHO DO THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO SEE COME OUT OF THIS?

>> MOSTLY A TWO-PERSON RACE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE RACE, AMISH SHAH AND GOLLAN WOODS RAN LAST TIME.

SHAH CAN SAY I RAN LAST TIME AND LOST, BUT GOLLAN CAN SAY PICK ME THIS TIME.

TED: WHO DO THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO SEE COME OUT OF IT?

>> THE MORE DEMOCRATS THE BETTER, CD-1 LEANS REPUBLICAN, BUT A LOT OF THOSE REPUBLICANS ARE THOSE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPUBLICANS.

A LITTLE MORE MODERATE SOCIALLY, AND THEY'RE MORE FOCUSED ON THE FISCAL POLICIES.

TED: HOWIE, THE PENTAGON IS ESCALATING INVESTIGATION, AGAINST SENATOR KELLY.

COULD LEAD TO POSSIBLE COURT-MARTIAL.

IS THIS PERFORMATIVE?

>> HE'S PLACED ON DOUBLE-SECRET PROBATION, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER THAT PARTICULAR MOVIE REFERENCE.

HE ANNOYED THE PRESIDENT, AND YOU DON'T ANNOY THIS PRESIDENT, SO HE SENT OFF HIS SECRETARY OF DEFENSE/WAR, DEPENDING WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT, TO SAY WHAT DID HE DO WRONG?

THE FUNNY THING IS, AS WE ALL KNOW, WHAT HE SAID IS ON THE WALLS OF WEST POINT.

IT IS WHAT THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE SAYS, DO YOU NOT OBEY ILLEGAL ORDERS.

THE SECRETARY MAKING THE SAME STATEMENT YEARS AGO.

NOW, WILL THIS LEAD TO A COURT-MARTIAL?

I THINK THEY HAVE TO AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD -- TED: WHAT DO YOU THINK, RAY?

THINK IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A COURT-MARTIAL?

>> I DON'T.

BUT IT COULD, IT DEPENDS HOW FAR -- THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE IN CIVIL COURT, APPARENTLY, SO MAYBE TRUMP, AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF, HAS MORE SWAY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE.

LOOKING AT THE OTHER LAWSUITS WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BASICALLY WANTING TO DO WHAT TRUMP DID, THAT JUST HASN'T WORKED OUT SO FAR.

SO -- PLUS DOESN'T THE GUY HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

>> NO, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

A AS YOU POINT OUT, MILITARY COURT, NOT CIVIL COURT.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH DOESN'T EXIST IN THE MILITARY.

SAYING THAT'S THE LAW, THAT'S WHAT THE TRIAL IS ABOUT.

HOW CAN YOU BE PUNISHED FOR POINTING OUT WHAT IS IN THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE?

I MEAN, IF HE POINTED OUT THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE SAYS YOU WILL WEAR YOUR RIBBONS THIS WAY.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T LIKE THAT.

YOU CANNOT DO THAT.

NOW WHY DO I THINK THERE WILL BE A COURT-MARTIAL?

I THINK THAT TRUMP IS THE PENNY IN FOR A DOLLAR KIND OF THING, HE IS SO MAD AT KELLY.

HE SEES KELLY AS A THORN IN HIS SIDE.

HE SEES KELLY MAYBE AS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT IN 2028 AGAINST WHETHER IT'S TRUMP'S THIRD TERM OR J.D.

VANCE TERM.

HE'S GOING TO DO ANYTHING HE CAN TO DAMAGE IT.

>> AS IT GOES FOR TRUMP, THE COURT-MARTIAL IS A SHOW TRIAL THAT WILL GIVE KELLY A BOOST.

TED: THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK NEXT.

WHAT IS THIS DOING TO KELLY'S PROFILE?

>> RAISING HIS PROFILE NATIONALLY QUITE FRANKLY.

IT WAS QUITE HIGH.

HE WAS A RUMORED VP CANDIDATE FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS LAST YEAR.

GIVING HIM MORE OF A BULLY PULPIT TO BRANDISH HIS OWN PERSONA.

THIS IS A GAME OF CHICKEN AND WHETHER IT ENDS UP IN A COURT-MARTIAL OR A CENSURE, I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION IS SOME WAY GOING TO TAKE THIS TO THE MAT BECAUSE NEITHER SIDE, AT THIS POINT, WANTS TO BE SEEN AS KOWTOWING TO THE OTHER.

>> RAISES INTERESTING QUESTION IN TERMS OF RAISING KELLY'S PROFILE.

I'M NOT SURE, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS, IS A COURT-MARTIAL A PUBLIC PROCEEDING?

BECAUSE I'M SURE IF IT'S PUBLIC PROCEEDING, MARK KELLY WILL USE IT EVERY WAY TO HIS ADVANTAGE.

IF IT'S BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SEEN MANY MILITARY PROCEEDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THAT WAY, A BUNCH OF US SITTING ON THE OUTSIDE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO TALK.

>> LIKE THE SECOND STRIKE VIDEO.

TED: WE SHOULD MENTION, KELLY AND SOME OF HIS PEOPLE SAY IF THIS GOES TOO FAR, WE'RE GOING TO FILE SUIT.

>> FOR THE PROTECTIONS THAT RAY MENTIONED.

MILITARY MEMBERS DON'T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS TO SPEECH AS HOWIE MENTIONED, BUT SENATORS ALSO HAVE PROTECTION FOR WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY, WHICH IS WHAT HE WAS DOING, AND INDIVIDUALS OBVIOUSLY HAVE FREE SPEECH PROTECTION.

TED: RAY, MARICOPA COUNTY FILED FEDERAL OVERSIGHT OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER.

THE MELENDEZ CASE HERE.

TALK ABOUT WHAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR FILED, WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE HAPPEN, AND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH ALL THIS?

>> WELL, THE MEL END RES CASE STARTED WITH ARPAIO, IMMIGRATION RAIDS THAT ARPAIO DIRECTED, HE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE PICKED UP IN THE RAIDS.

HE HAD A RIGHT TO BE HERE, AND WAS DETAINED, ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL, AND IT STARTED THIS CLASS-ACTION LAWSUIT THAT LED TO FEDERAL OVERSIGHT, THAT APPARENTLY COST HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

AND ACCORDING TO TRUMP, WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE, THERE IS NO MORE DISCRIMINATION GOING ON.

TED: GAME'S OVER.

>> RULE OF 65-B MOTION, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT IS ASKING THE JUDGE TO RULE, THERE IS NOTHING HERE ANYMORE.

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, IT'S GONE.

THERE'S NO REASON TO KEEP THIS UP.

NOW, THE CURRENT SHERIFF WILL TELL YOU WE DON'T DO THIS.

THAT WAS THE BAD OATH SHERIFF, THE PEOPLE ARRESTED DRIVING WHILE BROWN, WE'VE SHOWN WE DON'T DO THAT, WE DON'T NEED THE OVERSIGHT OR THE EXPENSE OF THE OVERSIGHT, IT HAS A GOOD CASE TO SAY THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY, AND THERE'S NOTHING HERE.

THIS ISN'T LIKE THE PRISONS LAWSUIT WHERE THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS THAT PRISONERS ARE NOT GETTING THE CARE THEY NEED.

>> WORTH NOTING ALSO THAT THE JUDGE IN THE CASE A MONTH OR TWO AGO LAID OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE, AN ORDER TO DISMISS THE CASE, THAT INCLUDED FOR ALL PARTIES, THE ACLU IS NOT A PARTY TO THIS, SO I DON'T SEE THIS JUDGE GOING ALONG WITH WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS BUT MAY OPEN UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR APPEAL.

TED: I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE ACLU, THEY DO NOT SEEM AMUSED.

THE QUOTE IS IT JEOPARDIZES WHAT HAS BEEN ACHIEVED SO FAR.

>> WELL, THERE'S BEEN THESE TOWN HALL MEETINGS BASICALLY THAT THE FEDERAL MEDIATOR HAS BEEN OVERSEEING, AND SOMETIMES A LOT OF PEOPLE COME OUT TO THESE MEETINGS, AND I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T DISCRIMINATION GOING ON AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR OTHER POLICE AGENCIES.

I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS CONTINUES TO GO ON.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS REDUCED IN SIZE SINCE THEN AS WELL, SO THAT COULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT LIMITS WHAT PEOPLE CAN SAY ABOUT IT.

>> BUT THAT BECOMES THE QUESTION.

WE DO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON UNDER JOE ARPAIO IS NOT GOING ON NOW.

THERE IS NO STANDING ORDER, IF YOU WILL.

I REMEMBER GOING UP TO ROOSEVELT LAKE, THEY WERE STOPPING CARS AND HARASSING HISPANICS.

THAT'S NOT GOING ON.

NOW ARE THERE STILL SITUATIONS WHERE HISPANICS, BLACKS, OTHERS GET DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

THAT'S TRUE IN THE MCSO, TRUE IN THE PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT IS THAT ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN HAVING A FEDERAL MONITOR OVERSEEING IT AT COUNTY EXPENSE, AND I THINK THAT'S A HARD ONE.

I SEE WHAT THE ACLU'S POINT IS.

THEY WANT THE PRESSURE OFF.

BUT HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE OUT OF SQUEEZE.

TED: REAL QUICKLY HERE, A NAME FROM BACK IN THE DAY, DAVID HENDERSHOTT DIED THIS WEEK.

FOR THOSE WHO JUST MOVED TO THE STATE, DAVID HENDERSHOTT WAS IN THE HEADLINES AND HOW FOR QUITE AWHILE?

>> DURING THIS PERIOD WHERE ARPAIO HAD A LOT OF POWER AS SHERIFF, HE WAS REIGNING FOR 24 YEARS.

THIS WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, DOING SO MUCH, INCLUDING THE IMMIGRATION RAIDS AS WELL AS GOING AFTER JUDGES AND COUNTY SUPERVISORS, ALONG WITH THE FORMER COUNTY ATTORNEY, ANDREW THOMAS.

DAVID HENDERSHOTT WAS ARPAIO'S RIGHT-HAND MAN, CHIEF DEPUTY, AND CAME UP WITH THE IDEAS FOR THE RACKETEERING LAWSUIT THAT TURNED OUT TO BE JUST A JOKE, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING AT THE TIME, EXCEPT WHEN YOU HAD POWERFUL PEOPLE GOING AFTER COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND JUDGES AND WHAT NOT, THERE WAS A LOT OF FEAR OUT THERE.

TED: A LOT, HOWIE.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WOUND UP BEING DISBARRED, AND YOU HAD SUPERVISORS AND COUNTY OFFICIALS, YOU HAD JUDGES BEING INVESTIGATED.

THIS WAS SERIOUS STUFF.

>> THIS WAS CONSPIRACY THEORY STUFF.

THE BELIEF IS MARY ROSE WILCOX BOUND TO BE BOUGHT BY SOMEBODY, JUDGES HAD TO BE BOUGHT BY SOMEBODY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE THINGS THE WAY SHERIFF ARPAIO, ANDY THOMAS, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND DAVE HENDERSHOTT SAW.

THE PROBLEM IS AS THE COURTS EVENTUALLY SAW AND THE LITIGATION CAME OUT, THERE WAS NO THERE THERE.

THESE PEOPLE WERE DOING THEIR JOBS, WHICH LED TO HENDERSHOTT BEING FORCED OUT OVER OTHER STUFF, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE HE WAS FORCED OUT BECAUSE HE WAS ACCUSED OF ABUSE OF POWER, YET HE WAS EMPOWERED BY JOE ARPAIO.

>> HE WAS.

HE WAS THE ENFORCER FOR A LOT OF THIS GOING ON, AND DIRECTED INTERVIEWS OF COUNTY EMPLOYEES AT THEIR HOUSES.

HE THREATENED "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" REPORTER BECAUSE SHE WAS INTERESTED IN A STORY, AND THEY CONSIDERED THAT A CRIME SOMEHOW, SO THEY THREATENED TO TAKE HER KID TO CHILD SERVICES.

HE WAS A VERY INTERESTING CHARACTER, DEFINITELY.

THE FORMER SPOKESPERSON FOR ARPAIO, LISA ALLEN, TOLD ONE OF THE INVESTIGATORS HE WAS THE SCARIEST MAN SHE HAD EVER MET.

TED: GOODNESS GRACIOUS, AND THE CURIOSITY HERE WAS THE EQUATION WHERE IF I'M GOING TO INVESTIGATE YOU, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING YOU DO CAN BE PART OF A CONSPIRACY, CAN BE PART OF THIS, JUST BY WAY OF MY INVESTIGATION.

THIS IS WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SOME OF THE FOLKS AT THE COUNTY AND DAVID HENDERSHOTT WAS HERE WITH EVERYBODY, THAT WAS SERIOUS TIMES.

>> YEAH, IN A WAY FORESHADOWING WHAT WE SAW LATER ON IN 2020 WITH ELECTIONS AND STUFF WITH, THIS CANNIBALIZATION, REPUBLICAN ON REPUBLICAN FIGHTING, BASED ON CONSPIRACY THEORIES, LOOKING FOR EXPLANATION TO GO ALONG WITH THE CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND REALLY GOING TO THE MAT AGAINST JOURNALISTS, AGAINST JUDGES, AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS, WHETHER THEY'RE YOUR PARTY OR NOT TO JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS.

>> LET'S GO MORE RECENTLY.

LOOK AT CURRENT OCCUPANT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

PEOPLE QUESTION HIM, PEOPLE INVESTIGATE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE HAS A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THAT BENDS TO HIS WILL.

WE ARE SEEING THE SAME THING IN WASHINGTON THAT WE SAW BACK THEN, WHICH IS YOU GO AFTER YOUR ENEMIES, THIS IS GETTING EVEN TIME.

THAT'S WHAT WE SAW BACK THEN, AND WE'RE SEEING NOW.

TED: WE SHOULD MENTION THAT SHERIFF ARPAIO, JOE ARPAIO, FORMER SHERIFF DID REMAIN FRIENDLY WITH DAVID HENDERSHOTT.

HE FORCED HIM OUT, BUT DID SAY HE WAS FRIENDLY WITH HIM UNTIL THE END.

ANYWAY.

BACK TO CURRENT THINGS HERE AS FAR AS WHAT'S IN THE NEWS, WAYNE, THE IDEA OF A LIGHT RAIL GOING TO THE CAPITOL.

I MEAN, YOU ALMOST WANT TO SEE IT JUST IN SOME DRAWING BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO MAKE HEADS EXPLODE.

>> FOR SOME REPUBLICANS AT THE LEGISLATURE IT'S THE THIRD RAIL.

THERE'S A LOT WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THE LIGHT RAIL, HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS AND SAID OVER OUR DEAD BODIES ARE YOU GOING TO BRING IT HERE.

THEY CAME TO AGREEMENT TO COUNTY SALES TAX AND PART OF THAT SAID IT CANNOT GO RIGHT HERE.

IF IT GOES NEAR HERE, WE GO THROUGH THE COMMITTEE, GET APPROVAL AND THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS LOOKING AT BRINGING IT NEAR THERE AND WAFFLING ON THAT A BIT BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID BASED ON LETTERS THAT WERE SENT TO THEM THAT IT MIGHT GET AXED AND COULD LOSE OUT IN MILLIONS IN FEDERAL FUNDING IN THE PROCESS.

>> HERE'S THE CRAZY THING.

ALL ALONG, THERE WAS ALWAYS A WEST SECTION TO LIGHT RAIL.

IT WAS GOING TO GO OUT ON I-10 BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN I-10 WAS BUILT WESTBOUND, THERE WAS A CENTER AREA BEFORE THEY WIDENED IT AND GOING TO THE 79th AVENUE PARK AND RIDE.

AND THE IDEA WAS TO GET PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR CARS AND TAKE THE LIGHT RAIL.

ALWAYS BEEN IN THE LOOP.

SO WHY DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE, YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY DIDN'T WANT IT RIGHT ON WASHINGTON AND JEFFERSON STREET.

HEAVEN FORBID WE HAVE LIGHT RAILS PASSING US.

PUT IT ON VAN BUREN.

TOO CLOSE.

WHAT'S THE POINT?

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO USE IT, AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ALL DAY WHETHER THE DESIGN OF THE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM MAKES SENSE.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO USE IT, YOU HAVE TO BRING PEOPLE IN, AND YOU HAVE TO BRING IT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE GOT ONE SEGMENT AT METROCENTER AND GOES DOWN TO SOUTH PHOENIX.

NOT SURE WHAT GOOD THAT DID.

THE OTHER SEGMENT, THAT GOES DOWNTOWN AND GOES OUT INTO MESA.

OKAY, THAT ISN'T SUFFICIENT.

IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM, LIKE IT OR NOT, IT NEEDS TO BE BIG ENOUGH.

>> RIGHT, BUT RIDERSHIP IS GOOD ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL LINE SINCE IT STARTED.

THERE'S A LOW-INCOME AREA OUT THERE THAT IS WELL SERVED BY THAT AND COULD BE THE CASE WITH THE MARYVALE AREA AS WELL.

THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WANT IT THERE.

IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT OF A SHAME FOR THE LIGHT RAIL, POTENTIAL RIDERS, IF THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE DELAYS THAT THIS NEW OPPOSITION IS CAUSING.

>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS CAPITOL EXTENSION IS KIND OF THE CONNECTION THAT GETS IT TO THE I-10 AS PART OF THE PLAN.

AND ALL OF THIS IS WRAPPED INTO THIS PROPOSAL FOR THE FEDS TO SAY GIVE US HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP US PAY FOR THIS AND THE DEADLINE FOR THE MONEY IS COMING UP IN APRIL, AND NO TIME TO COME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

THEY HAVE THE THREE ROUTES NEAR THE CAPITOL TO CHOOSE FROM, AND IF THEY PUNT ON THAT THEY ARE SAYING BYE-BYE TO THE FEDERAL DOLLARS.

TED: HOW SERIOUS ARE LAWMAKERS, REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS, LEADERSHIP AND LEGISLATURE, ABOUT COMING BACK AND BEING TOUGH ON A CITY THAT WOULD SAY -- OKAY, YOU DON'T PUT IT RIGHT OUTSIDE THE OFFICE DOORS, BUT IF IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE -- >> THEY DON'T WANT IT AT ALL.

NO.

THEY THINK IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FISCAL BOONDOGGLE AND EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE, $250 PER MILE.

YOU LOOK AT LENGTH OF THE PROJECTS THEY WANT TO DO, 1.5 MILES AND COSTS $600 MILLION, AND SENATE PRESIDENT WARREN PETERSEN SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, WHY DON'T WE BUY ALL THE POOR PEOPLE CARS?

THE MATH ON THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK OUT.

>> THE MATH PROBABLY WOULD WORK OUT, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING.

>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THAT UP AS A LAW EITHER.

>> BUT THEY ALSO DIDN'T LIKE FUNDING BUSES.

SCOTTSDALE PROPOSED A BUS ROUTE, AN EXPRESS BUS AND THINGS, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO FUND THAT.

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS BEING DRIVEN BY PEOPLE WHO SAY, LOOK, WE'RE ARIZONA, WE ALL GET OUR OWN CARS.

TED: SPEAKING OF PEOPLE WHO SAY LOOK, WE'RE ARIZONA, GET OUR OWN CARS.

HOW FAST CAN THE CARS GO ON RURAL HIGHWAYS, HOWIE?

>> I'VE HAD MY LITTLE TOYOTA UP TO -- RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A STATE THAT'S GONE BACK AND FORTH.

WE'RE AT THE DOUBLE NICKEL DURING THE OIL EMBARGO, 65 IN RURAL STRETCHES, IT'S NOW 75.

AND REPRESENTED BY NICK KUPER FROM SURPRISE WHO SAY WHY 75?

HE WANTS, A, RAY'S RULE AUTOMATICALLY TO 80.

NOT IN METRO AREAS.

THINK OF I-10 WEST OR SOUTH OR I-8 WEST, AND THEN HE WANTS A TEST CASE.

LET'S TAKE A STRETCH OF I-8.

I-8 BETWEEN CASA GRANDE AND YUMA IS MILES AND MILES OF STRAIGHT NOTHING, YOU COULD PROBABLY SLEEP BEHIND THE WHEEL, I DON'T SUGGEST IT.

HE SAYS LET'S HAVE A TEST.

LET'S REMOVE ALL THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS LIKE THE AUDUBON IN GERMANY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS?

HE BELIEVES IF EVERYBODY IS TRAVELING FASTER, IT WILL LEAD TO FEW ACCIDENTS.

INSURANCE INSTITUTE FOR HIGHWAY SAFETY SAYS DATA DISTANT MATCH IT BUT INTERESTING CONCEPT.

IF YOU TEST IT, THAT'S THE PLACE TO DO IT.

>> PERSONALLY MY FAVORITE TYPE OF LEGISLATION IS ONE THAT SAYS LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

POLITICALLY REPRESENTATIVE KUPER WASN'T A PART OF THIS.

THIS LEGISLATION IS PROPOSED AFTER MULTIPLE LAWMAKERS HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH SPEEDING TICKETS RECENTLY.

MAYBE NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THOSE FOLKS TO VOTE ON THIS.

YOU CAN FIND WHETHER THIS IS BAD OR GOOD.

YOU STUDY THOSE THINGS BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENT THEM LIVE, BUT THIS, I GUESS, WOULD TAKE A STRETCH AND START THAT RIGHT AWAY.

>> I THINK MONTANA HAD THIS AWHILE, THEY RESCINDED IT, DIDN'T THEY?

>> THEY DID.

THEY WERE WORRIED IT WAS GOING TO EXCLUDE THEM FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAY FUNDS.

THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE MONTANA SENATORS TOLD ME.

>> ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS IN MONTANA, THEY HAD A REASONABLE AND PRUDENT SPEED, THE SUPREME COURT SAID REASONABLE DOESN'T TELL MOTORISTS.

BUT IN ARIZONA, WE'VE HAD COURTS UPHELD REASONABLE AND PRUDENT.

YOU HAD SIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IF YOU ARE STOPPED BY A COP, HOW FAST ARE YOU GOING, TELL THEM I WAS GOING REASONABLE AND PRUDENT.

TED: KEEP THAT ON THE DASHBOARD AS SOMETHING TO REMEMBER.

LET'S SAY THIS GETS TRACTION.

LET'S SAY IT SPEEDS THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

[ LAUGHTER ] >> GOVERNOR GOING TO SIGN SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> IF I HAD TO BALLPARK IT, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY NO BECAUSE THERE IS AN OBVIOUS MESSAGING ON THIS THAT THIS INCREASES DANGER AND SHE COULD EASILY VETO IT AND SAY HEY.

>> I SAY THE CONTRARY, THE WAY IT SPRAYS IN TERMS OF THIS TEST, LEAVES UP TO THE ADOT DIRECTOR WHO IS HER APPOINTEE TO DECIDE.

FOR NOW.

THAT'S TRUE.

THIS IS A GOVERNOR WHO'S GOING TO FACE A VERY DIFFICULT ELECTION.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO RIDE THAT RIDE OUT TO SAN DIEGO AND SAY, OH, MY GOD, I'M NEVER GOING TO GET HERE, AND I CAN SEE HER SAYING, OKAY AS LONG AS IT'S LEFT TO THE ADOT DIRECTOR.

>> I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW IT DOES.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, I REMEMBER WHEN MONTANA HAD THE NO SPEED LIMIT RULE.

I THOUGHT ABOUT GOING THERE TO GIVE IT A SHOT.

IMAGINE THAT?

NO SPEED LIMIT.

TED: ALL RIGHT SPEEDSTERS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, YOU HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY.

WE GOT HOLIDAY PROGRAMMING COMING UP.

I WANT TO THANK THE CREW FOR REMEMBERING ME DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

DO WE HAVE A SHOT OF THE SOCKS I'M WEARING TONIGHT?

THIS WAS THE GIFT FROM THE CREW TO YOUR GENTLE HOST ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

CREW, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

I FEEL GREAT.

AND I LOOK RIDICULOUS.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.