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>> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

A LOOK AT WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING THE CLEAN ELECTION LAWSUIT AGAINST ARIZONA'S SECRETARY OF STATE.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN IN FOR TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US, JEREMY DUDA FROM AXIOS PHOENIX, HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ FROM KJZZ RADIO.

THE NO LABELS PARTY HAD HIGH HOPES GOING INTO 2024.

THEY CLAIM THEY ARE A SPECIAL PARTY, A TICKET WHO WAS GOING TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS.

IT IMPLODED.

IN ARIZONA, WE SAW PAUL JOHNSON TAKE OVER NO LABELS AND CHANGE THE NAME WHICH IS CAUSING A KERFUFFLE.

WHAT IS CLEAN ELECTIONS UPSET ABOUT?

>> CAN YOU JUST CHANGE THE NAME OF A PARTY?

CAN THE DEMOCRATS COME IN AND SAY, WE ARE NOW THE LEFT-WING PARTY OR THE RIGHT-WING PARTY OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT?

NOT JUST CHANGING THE NAME OF THE PARTY, EVERYBODY WITH THE PARTY REREGISTERED UNDER THE NEW PARTY.

NOW THEY SAY, A, IT'S CONFUSING, IF YOU GO INTO REGISTER AND IT SAYS ARIZONA INDEPENDENT PARTY, BUT WAIT, I WANTED TO BE A TRUE INDEPENDENT AND AFFILIATED, AND, B, DOES FONTES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW IT?

HE SAYS NOTHING STOPS ME FROM DOING IT, CLEAN ELECTIONS SAYS NOTHING IS ALLOWING TO YOU DO.

WE'LL FIND OUT.

>> WHAT'S FONTES DOING?

>> HE SAW NO REASON NOT TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, AND SO HE THINKS THE AUTHORITY IS THERE.

SECRETARY FONTES OFTEN TAKES AN EXPANSIVE VIEW OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE OFFICE HE'S IN.

THE LAW DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE SILENT ON THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW WE'VE EVER HAD A PARTY SAY WE WANT TO COMPLETELY CHANGE OUR NAME TO SOMETHING NEW, AND AS HOWIE MENTIONED, THE ISSUES OF CLEAN ELECTION, VERY CONFUSING, AND VOTERS ARE CONFUSED, AIMED TO BE INDEPENDENT, THAT'S WHAT TOOK UP MOST OF THE CLEAN ELECTIONS LAWSUIT, MOST OF THE SPACE.

THE ISSUE IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO ONE THING, CAN YOU ACTUALLY -- DOES THE LAW ALLOW THIS?

WHETHER IT'S CONFUSING, I DON'T KNOW HOW RELEVANT THAT IS TO THE LAW.

YOU COULDN'T START THE NEW PARTY CALLED THE INDEPENDENT PARTY.

I DON'T SEE WHAT WOULD STOP.

THAT THE ACTUAL AUTHORITY ISSUE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.

>> WHAT IF NO LABELS DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO CALL OURSELVES THE REAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

IS THAT CONFUSING?

CAN THEY SIMPLY DO THAT?

AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S THIS WHOLE UNTESTED AREA, AND AS YOU POINT OUT, AND CAMRYN AND I HAVE BEEN COVERING THIS A WHILE, SOME JUDGE HAS TO DECIDE WHERE IS THE LINE IN TERMS OF THE SECRETARY'S POWER.

>> CAMRYN, THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION, FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, THE IDEA THAT ARIZONA, MARICOPA COUNTY ESPECIALLY, SO MANY INDEPENDENTS OR NONAFFILIATED VOTERS, IS THERE AN ARGUMENT PEOPLE WILL MAKE, IF THERE IS A TINY BIT OF CONFUSION, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE KRIS MAYES, ABE HAMADEH RACE.

280 VOTES SEPARATED THEM.

WHAT IF 280 PEOPLE WERE CONFUSED AND DIDN'T KNOW WHICH PARTY TO VOTE FOR?

>> ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE CLEAN ELECTIONS ARGUMENT.

WHAT IF PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED OR LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE LEFT OUT AND UNAFFILIATED.

AN AFFILIATED VOTER REQUESTS A BALLOT.

PAUL JOHNSON ARGUES, AND HE'S THE CHAIR OF THE AIP OR THE NONLABELS PARTY OR WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT.

AMERICAN HISTORY, MAYBE NOT SO MUCH IN RECENT ARIZONA HISTORY, INCLUDING THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTY, I BELIEVE WE HAD AN AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY.

WHY IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT?

ACCUSING CLEAN ELECTIONS OF DOING THE WORK OF THE DEMOCRATS AND THE REPUBLICANS FIGHTING HIM AT EVERY TURN.

>> JEREMY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> A LOT OF ISSUE, BESIDE THE CORE LEGAL ISSUES HERE.

A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES ABOUT THE VOTERS BEING CONFUSED ABOUT HOW THIS AFFECTS THE PRIMARIES, HOW THIS AFFECTS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF VOTER ROLLS, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE OBJECTIONS FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, FROM COUNTY RECORDERS, FROM THE MOTOR VEHICLE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE THE DROPDOWN MENU, WHICH PARTY DO YOU WANT TO REGISTER FOR?

THE TECHNICAL DETAILS YOU RUN INTO A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS, IF THE COURTS ALLOW THE NAME TO CHANGE MOVING FORWARD.

>> THIS MASKED A LARGER ISSUE.

IF I WANT TO RUN, IF I'M ORIGINALLY REPUBLICAN FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, I NEED 7,000 SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

DEMOCRATS A LITTLE LESS BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON PARTY REGISTRATION.

IF JEREMY, IF HE'S POLITICALLY INDEPENDENT, WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS ANYMORE, HE WOULD NEED 43,000 SIGNATURES, JUST TO QUALIFY FOR THE BALLOT, AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON THAT PAUL JOHNSON SAID WE NEEDED ARIZONA INDEPENDENT PARTY.

WE STAND FOR NOTHING, IF YOU LOOK AT WEBSITE, THAT'S DIFFERENT.

SO THE QUESTION BECOMES DOES THIS THEN OPEN THE DOOR FOR A FEDERAL COURT LAWSUIT TO CHALLENGE UNDER 14th AMENDMENT, UNDER EQUAL PROTECTION, THE QUESTION OF SHOULD INDEPENDENTS BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST?

>> DOES THIS OPEN UP THE EFFORT AGAIN TO TRY, WHETHER IN 28 OR WHENEVER, THIS OPEN PRIMARY THING AGAIN?

>> THE OPEN PRIMARIES HATE THAT KIND OF THING.

YOU GET JUNGLE PRIMARIES LIKE THEY HAVE IN CALIFORNIA, OPEN PRIMARIES, THE SEMI PRIMARY, WHICH IS POLITICAL INDEPENDENT, AND THEY'RE ABOUT 35% OF THE VOTERS.

>> TOP 2%.

>> CAN PICK A REPUBLICAN BALLOT, A DEMOCRATIC BALLOT, AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE HESITANT TO CHANGE WHAT'S THERE.

WE HAD THE CHOICE VOTING THING, OPEN PRIMARIES GOT DEFEATED.

PEOPLE SAY I UNDERSTAND THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO CHANGE IT.

>> YEAH, CAMRYN LET'S MOVE ONTO S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS.

OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WERE DISTRAUGHT OVER WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE EXTENDED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE THREATENING TO WITHHOLD S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS FROM CERTAIN STATES IF THEY DON'T SHARE CERTAIN DATA.

WHAT CERTAIN DATA AND CERTAIN STATES.

WHAT DO THEY HAVE IN COMMON?

>> THEY'RE A LITTLE DEMOCRATIC, THERE'S A TREND.

THEY HAPPEN TO BE BLUE.

DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS, THE INFORMATION IS PERSONAL INFORMATION, THINGS LIKE THEIR NAMES, THINGS THE STATES COLLECT, BUT THERE'S CONCERN FROM THE DEMOCRATIC STATES THAT THAT IS A PRIVACY VIOLATION, AND THEY DON'T REALLY TRUST WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PLANS TO DO WITH THE INFORMATION.

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE USDA SAYS WE NEED THIS TO ROOT OUT FRAUD IN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM, IT'S EXPENSIVE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT ABUSED, AND I THINK THE STATE'S RESPONSE HAS BEEN, WELL, THERE'S ALREADY AN INJUNCTION, KRIS MAYES WAS PART OF THE COALITION THAT TOOK IT TO COURT AND CURRENTLY INJUNCTION FROM A FEDERAL JUDGE IN SAN FRANCISCO PREVENTING THE WITHHOLDING OF S.N.A.P.

BENEFITS, WE'LL SEE.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

FEELS LIKE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FOUND A LOOPHOLE AROUND THE PREVIOUS THINGS.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL YEAR.

IN FEBRUARY, THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED THIS INFORMATION.

IMMIGRATION STATUS, THE DEMOCRATIC RUN STATES, THE JUDGE STOPPED, THE COURT STOPPED THEM FROM DOING THIS.

THIS ISN'T THE ACTUAL FOOD AID WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING THE SHUTDOWN LAST MONTH.

THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS STATES USE TO MANAGE THE PROGRAM.

OBVIOUSLY NOT QUITE AS BIG AS THE $150 MILLION A MONTH THE STATE USES FOR SNAP BENEFITS.

STILL IMPORTANT MONEY.

STIEPT THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE FEELS LIKE THIS IS ILLEGAL UNDER THE PREVIOUS RULINGS AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO LAWYER UP AND GO BACK TO COURT AGAIN AS I'M SURE TWO DOZEN OTHER STATES ARE.

>> IT COMES DOWN TO THE GOLDEN RULE, YOU AS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES, THE FED PROVIDES ABOUT 50% OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND WE'RE ENTITLED TO TEMPERATURE THE PROBLEM BECOMES -- AND WE'VE SEEN WITH THE ADMINISTRATION -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING DO WITH THE DATA.

LOOK WE HAVE A SECRETARY WHO SAYS YOU DON'T USE SIGNAL TO TALK ABOUT WAR PLANS.

THE RECORD ON SECRECY, THE RECORD ON KEEPING CONFIDENTIAL WHAT SHOULD BE CONFIDENTIAL IS NOT GREAT.

THERE'S A CERTAIN WORRY THERE.

NOW CAN THEY DO SOMETHING WITH THAT?

CAN THEY DO SOMETHING, WE FOUND SOMEBODY WHO WE DON'T THINK IS HERE LEGALLY?

THAT GOES INTO ANOTHER PROBLEM, GIVEN THE DOCUMENTATION, WILL THEY END UP DISQUALIFYING PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO IT.

THAT GETS INTO THE QUESTION HOW GOOD A JOB THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES ABOUT VETTING PEOPLE.

>> HOW HAS GOVERNOR HOBBS RESPONDED TO THIS BROOK ROLLINS.

>> STRONGER THAN WHATEVER IS GOING ON WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

WE TALKED WITH HER THIS WEEK, AND SHE SAID THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, I'M GOING TO FIGHT IT.

YOU'RE NOT GETTING THAT DATA FROM US, AND ALSO, WE HAVE A VETTING SYSTEM.

WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SAYING COULD I HAVE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS FOR SNACKS THIS WEEK.

WE HAVE A SYSTEM PEOPLE ARE CHECKED AND WE KEEP TRACK OF THEM AND DON'T YOU WORRY ABOUT IT.

OF COURSE, THERE IS FRAUD, THE FEDERAL PROGRAM WITH MONEY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FRAUD.

RELATIVELY SPEAKING OUR FRAUD IS QUITE SMALL.

>> JEREMY, WHAT STRIKES ME, ABOUT GOVERNOR HOBBS COMING OUT MORE STRONGLY AS THIS.

I'M AN OLD CYNIC, NOT QUITE AS OLD AS HOWIE.

>> HEY.

>> WHAT A POLITICIAN ACTS OUT OF CHARACTER, MAKES ME THINK AN ELECTION IS COMING UP.

HOW MUCH IS SHE FACTORING INTO THIS?

>> ALWAYS A FACTOR.

THIS IS AN ISSUE NEAR AND DEAR TO THE GOVERNOR'S HEART.

SHE'S A FORMER SOCIAL MONEY.

MUCH MORE SO THAN SHE HAS BEEN WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION MOST CASE, TRIES TO FIND A LITTLE BIT OF COMMON -- NOT TAKING THE KRIS MAYES, SUE THEM ALL APPROACH.

>> IT GOES BEYOND THAT, EASY FOR HER ON THIS TO SAY THESE ARE POOR PEOPLE, WHEN IT COMES TO BORDER SECURITY, THAT'S WHERE SHE GETS FUZZY, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, I HAVE A BORDER SECURITY PLAN, AND WE HAVE A TASK FORCE, WE'RE PUTTING ALL THIS MONEY BECAUSE SHE RECOGNIZES, AGAIN, ELECTION YEAR, THAT IMMIGRATION ISSUES ARE ON THE MINDS OF PEOPLE.

FOOD STAMPS IS MUCH EASIER WANT ANDS IT TO SAY, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEEDY.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING, I THINK IT'S 133% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL, WHICH I THINK FOR FAMILY OF THREE IS AROUND $30,000 A YEAR, AND THAT'S -- DEPENDS HOW YOU ACCOUNT FOR HOUSING EXPENSES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IS THERE FRAUD?

YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO QUALIFY.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THIS GETTING INTO WHOLE OTHER THING.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING FOR STATE GOVERNMENT WHO QUALIFY FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, WHO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH GOES TO THE QUESTION OF ARE STATE GOVERNMENTS PAYING ENOUGH?

IS WALMART PAYING ENOUGH?

SHOULD WE SUBSIDIZE WALMART BY PAYING MORE FOOD STAMPS.

>> THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAID HEY, WE'RE GOING TO WITHHOLD MEDICAID, WITHHOLD S.N.A.P.

WE HAVE MONEY THAT YOU NEED FOR THE PROGRAMS THAT HELP PEOPLE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO LET THE PEOPLE SUFFER IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT WE WANT.

SHE SAYS IT IS WRONG, IMMORAL AND LEVERAGING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP MOST TO MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA.

>> I'M SHOCKED THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD DO THAT.

>> I THINK IT RELATES TO HER BACKGROUND.

SHE IS PASSIONATE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE AND EXPERIENCED ON THE ISSUES.

>> I'M GUESSING THE THREE OF YOU ARE VERY EXCITED, NEXT MONTH THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION BEGINS, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A PARTY COMING UP.

TO THAT END, HOWIE, WHAT GOVERNOR HOBBS WANTS TO DO IN CUTTING PERSONAL INCOME TAXES.

IS THERE A DIRECT TIE TO CUTTING TAXES AS LONG AS WE SAVE MONEY WITH ESAs?

>> OF COURSE.

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE BACK STORY ON THIS.

CONGRESS PASSED THE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL.

A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROVISIONS, INCLUDING THE STUFF WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, AND ALSO TAX CUT, INDIVIDUAL TAX CUT, HIGHER STANDARD DEDUCTION, NO TAX ON TIPS, NO TAX ON SOCIAL SECURITY, PLUS BUSINESS TAX CUTS MAKING IT EASIER FOR A COMPANY TO WRITE OFF NEW PURCHASES.

REMEMBER, NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT IN CONGRESS VOTED FOR THIS THING.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, HERE'S THE GOVERNOR LOOKING AROUND.

I'M RUNNING FREE ELECTIONS.

THESE ARE MY MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUTS, AND SHE TOOK OUT THE INDIVIDUAL STUFF, THIS IS MINE, $215 MILLION, WHICH RAISED THE QUESTION, WAIT A SECOND, GOVERNOR, DIDN'T YOUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER TELL US WE'RE IN DEEP KIMCHI IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT?

NO, WE'LL FIND IT.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO FIND IT?

ONE OF THE PLACES, SHE'S TRIED EVERY YEAR SINCE BEING ELECTED TO ELIMINATE OR CURTAIL UNIVERSAL VOUCHERS.

LAST PLAN WAS TO SAY, IF A FAMILY EARNS UP TO $100,000, YOU CAN GET VOUCHERS, 100,000, 200,000, YOU CAN GET A PARTIAL.

THIS TIME THEY WILL SEE THE LIGHT AND DO THIS TO TRADE OFF WITH THE TAX CUTS.

>> CAMRYN?

>> IT COMES DOWN TO PUTTING PEOPLE ON THE RECORD ABOUT THIS THING.

SHE IS CHERRY PICKING SAYING YOU LIKE MY PLAN, TAX CUTS, LET'S BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WHY DON'T YOU SAY TO THE PUBLIC YOU WANT TO MAKE TAX CUTS TO CORPORATIONS AND BILLIONAIRES, AND COME TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING 200,000+ A YEAR TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PRIVATE SKILLS AND PUT YOURSELF ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT.

MY PLAN WOULD PAY FOR THE MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUTS AND PUBLIC EDUCATION.

SHE'S HOPING THAT IS THE MESSAGE THAT COMES OUT OF THIS, NOT THAT SHE'S PICKING AND STEALING STUFF FROM TRUMP WHILE SAYING SHE HATES TRUMP AND THIS COMES OFF HYPOCRITICAL.

>> REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING WE WANT MORE TAX CUTS.

THIS ISN'T GOING FAR ENOUGH.

I'M SURE THEY CAN FIND OTHER AREAS BESIDE THE ESA PROGRAM WHICH THEY ARE VERY, VERY COMMITTED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THIS BECAUSE THE ESA THING, WE CAN GO BACK AND REPLAY THE CONVERSATION WE HAD A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO, THE RESULT WILL BE THE SAME UNLESS YOU CLICK YOUR HEELS TOGETHER THREE TIMES, CHANGE THE PROGRAM, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT CHANGES.

>> IS SHE GOING TO FILE A SUIT AGAINST TOM HORNE OVER ESA MANAGEMENT, ET CETERA?

>> CERTAINLY GOING DOWN THE PATH.

SHE AND TOM HORNE ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AND TOM HORNE IS SAYING YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> HE WOULD KNOW HAVING BEEN FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> HE WOULD KNOW.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE ROUTE SHE'S GOING TO GO YET OR JUST IN THE EARLY STAGES AND MAKING STATEMENTS FOR NOW.

>> WHAT'S TRICKY IS WHAT SHE'S OBJECTING TO IS RISK BASED AUDITING.

PARTICULARLY FOR PARENTS WHO HOME SCHOOL, NOT THE PARENTS WHO SEND THEIR KIDS TO THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THE $7,000 GOES THERE, THAT THEY HAVE SOME EXPENSES, SOME OF THEM ARE LEGITIMATE IN TERMS OF CURRICULUM.

I'M NOT SURE THE PREGNANCY TEST FITS INTO THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY FOUNDS, THE ROLEX WATCH.

CHIPS TO THEME PARKS.

HE SAYS YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN ME MORE MONEY TO DO THIS, SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO ANYTHING BELOW $2,000, LET IT GO THROUGH AND AUDIT IT LATER BEING ABLE TO CAPTURE IT BACK.

I DON'T KNOW AS MUCH AS KRIS WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ON TOM HORNE THAT RISK-BASED AUDITING IS NECESSARILY ILLEGAL.

SHE WANTS TO ATTACK THE LEGISLATURE AND SAY GIVE MORE MONEY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LAWSUIT THERE.

LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A VIABLE LAWSUIT.

DOESN'T MEAN SHE WON'T FILE IT.

THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER QUESTION.

>> HORNE SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE EMPLOYEES HE USED TO HAVE.

THE SAME NUMBER FOR BILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM THAN $150,000 PROGRAM, $150 MILLION PROGRAM, WHATEVER IT WAS.

POLITICALLY, HE MIGHT BE HOPING HE GETS SUED HERE.

HE'S GETTING ATTACKED ON THE RIGHT BY KIMBERLY YEE, YOU ARE STRICT ON THE ESA PROGRAM, TOO TOUGH ON IT, PARENTS WANT TO HAVE THINGS LOOSENED UP FOR SCHOOL CHOICE PURPOSES AND GETTING ATTACKED BY THE LEFT AND GETTING TO PUBLICLY BE THE DEFENDER OF THE PROGRAM.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M DOING, TAKE ME TO COURT.

>> CAMRYN, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, ADELITA GRIJALVA WHO HAD TO WAIT THE LONGEST IN HISTORY TO GET SEATED IN CONGRESS, APPARENTLY DURING AN I.C.E.

RAID AT A TUCSON RESTAURANT, SHE GOT PEPPER-SPRAYED.

WHAT DO WE KNOW?

>> A NEW STORY.

SHE POSTED ONLINE, SHE WAS AT A RESTAURANT SHE GOES TO QUITE OFTEN, THERE FOR LUNCH, AND THERE WAS I.C.E.

ACTIVITY HAPPENING.

PEOPLE HAD COME OUT INTO THE STREET.

THEY WERE IN THE STREETS PROTESTING, YELLING, AND YOU CAN SEE AGENTS THERE, SHE SEEMS TO GET SPRAYED IN THE VIDEO THAT SHE POSTED PARTIALLY.

I DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE, I ONLY SAW ONE ANGLE OF IT.

LATER IN THE VIDEO, LOOK LIKES SOMETHING SHOT MAYBE AT HER FEET, SOMETHING SMOKY, PERHAPS ONE OF THE PELLETS, I'M NOT SURE.

SHE SAYS SHE WAS THERE PEACEFULLY ASKING QUESTIONS AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, THIS IS NOT OKAY BEHAVIOR, THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE TAKEN OFF THE STREETS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS, ALL OF THE CONCERNS FROM DEMOCRATS AS THESE PLAY OUT.

AS YOU OF NOW, THE ACTUAL DETAILS OF THAT RAID ARE NOT KNOWN.

>> AND THE TRICKY PART IS, SHE SAYS AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS, I HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS.

IT'S TRUE CAN YOU GO TO ONE OF THE FEDERAL DETENTION CENTERS.

THE RESPONSE FROM HOMELAND SECURITY IS EXCUSE ME, YOU CAN'T, IN THE MIDDLE OF A POLICE ACTION COME IN AND START QUESTIONING THE OFFICERS THERE AND SAY, BUT, LOOK, I HAD MY LITTLE CONGRESSIONAL ID CARD HERE, AND THAT ONLY GOES SO FAR.

NOW THERE'S A LARGER QUESTION HERE, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS ALL ACROSS THE NATION, OF WHETHER THE FOLKS WHO I.C.E.

HAS EMPLOYED, AND THEY'VE BEEN ON A BINGE IN TERMS OF HIRING PEOPLE ARE PROPERLY TRAINED TO UNDERSTAND CROWD CONTROL.

WE'VE SEEN WAY TOO MANY THINGS FROM ALL ACROSS THE NATION, BREAKING WINDOWS ON CARS.

KNOCKING PEOPLE DOWN.

PULLING PEOPLE OUT OF HOMES.

SO THERE'S LARGER QUESTION DO THEY NEED BETTER TRAINING?

OR IS THIS WHAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS.

THEY WANT THIS SO THEY CAN SAY, LOOK, NOW WE NEED TROOPS ON THE STREET.

>> TUCSON IS A COMMUNITY HIT HARDER BY THIS, A LEFT OF CENTER CITY, AND ADELITA GRIJALVA REPRESENTS THAT COMMUNITY WELL IN THIS CASE.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANOTHER COMMUNITY IF THAT HAPPENED, THERE WOULD BE MORE PRO AND CON ON THIS ONE.

LOOKS LIKE SHE'S TO THE SIDE OF RIGHT ON THE COMMUNITY.

>> THIS IS A DEEP BLUE DISTRICT, SHE'S NOT BEEN IN CONGRESS VERY LONG.

SHE'S MAKING THE MOST OUT OF THE SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME SINCE ELECTION, AND DONE A LOT TO RAISE HER PROFILE BETWEEN MIKE JOHNSON REFUSING TO SWEAR IN, AND I.C.E.

RAIDS WHERE SHE WAS OBJECTING TO CONDUCT, PEOPLE COMING IN WITHOUT WARRANTS, SHE'S MAKING A NAME FOR HERSELF EARLY.

>> SHE'S LEARNING FROM THE BEST.

LOOK AT OUR TWO SENATORS.

MARK KELLY IS TAKING EVERY BIT OF ADVANTAGE HE CAN THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SINGLED HIM AND FIVE OTHERS OUT FOR SAYING WHAT IS ON THE WALLS OF WEST POINT WHICH IS THAT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO OBEY ILLEGAL COMMANDS.

RUBEN GALLEGO HAS BEEN OUT THERE SAYING, LOOK, YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE WRONG PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, ARIZONA HAS A LONG HISTORY FOR RELATIVELY SMALL STATE.

IT'S GETTING BIGGER, OF PEOPLE IN CONGRESS WHO TEND TO ELBOW THEIR WAY TO THE TOP.

PEOPLE LIKE GOLDWATER, PEOPLE LIKE JOHN RHODES AND THERE'S A LONG HISTORY OF FOLKS SAYING WE'RE FROM ARIZONA, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IGNORE US.

>> JUST A FEW SECONDS, CAMRYN, ADELITA GRIJALVA, MARK KELLY, IS ALL THIS ATTENTION GOOD FOR THEM?

ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

>> THEIR PROFILES ARE DEFINITELY BEING RAISED.

IT COULD BE IMPACTFUL.

IF ONE WANTED TO RUN FOR HIGHER OFFICE DOWN THE ROAD, THE RESPONSE IS A LITTLE MIXED WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.

MARK KELLY ESPECIALLY.

REPUBLICANS, AND THE INDEPENDENTS ARE ON THE FENCE, WHY DID YOU DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

TRYING TO STIR UP SOME STUFF?

>> CAMRYN, JEREMY, HOWIE, OF COURSE, HOWIE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M STEVE GOLDSTEIN FOR TED SIMONS.

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