>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S A JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING MORE EXECUTIVE ORDERS FROM GOVERNOR HOBBS.

JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M.

>> Ted: SIMONS.

IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US IS LAURIE ROBERTS AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF THE ARIZONA CAPITAL TIMES AND JIM SMALL OF THE ARIZONA MIRROR.

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

LAURIE, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

EXECUTIVE ORDERS, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE MORE REGARDING WHAT CONVERSION THERAPY AND STATE FUNDS FOR GENDER AFFIRMING THINGS.

>> YES, THE GOVERNOR SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, TOP TWO EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND ONE TO ADD SURGERY FOR TRANSGENDER STATE EMPLOYEES TO THE STATE HEALTHCARE PLAN AND THE OTHER TO WITHDRAW ANY STATE SUPPORT FOR CONVERSION THERAPY FOR THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

>> Ted: WHAT IS CONVERSION THERAPY?

>> WELL, I THINK THE CONVERSION THERAPY IS FAIRLY SCIENTIFIC DEBUNKED THERAPY, WHERE YOU CAN CURE THEM INTO BEING STRAIGHT.

VERY CONTROVERSIAL AND VERY DANGEROUS, MANY PEOPLE WILL SAY, AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THE STATE WAS SUPPORTING THAT SORT OF THING.

ABOUT 22 STATES THUS FAR HAVE CUT OFF ANY SUPPORT AND CUT OFF FUNDING.

>> WE'RE NOT EMPLOYING MANY KIDS.

>> Ted: THIS IS, WHAT, MEDICAL CARE?

>> THIS IS FROM 2017 AND FOR THE HOBBS' ADMINISTRATION.

>> Ted: JIM?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

I DON'T KNOW.

I DO THINK THAT ACCESS IN THE PAST HAS DONE SOME AMOUNT OF GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S INTO THE SURGICAL PROCEDURES.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE TO TOUCH ON WHAT CAMRYN WAS SAYING THAT REVERGING A POLICY EXISTING IN THE STATE AND COSTING THE STATE MONEY AND THERE WAS A TRANSGENDER MAN SEEKING SURGERY THROUGH THE STATE'S HEALTH INSURANCE.

ULTIMATELY, WHEN IT WAS DENIED, SUED THE ARIZONA BOARD OF REGIONS AND A STORY THE PRO-PUBLICA DID TO FIGHT WAY MORE ORDERS IN MAGNITUDE TO FIGHT FOR THESE MEDICAL PROCEDURES.

IN ARIZONA, IT TOTALED MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS.

>> IT'S 1.7 MILLION BECAUSE I CHECKED AND I WAS INTERESTED IN THE WHOLE SUPPLIED ACCESS BECAUSE I SAW A TWEET FROM REPRESENTATIVE HEEP LOSING HIS MIND OVER THIS THING.

HE WENT ON ABOUT HOW THIS WILL COST PEOPLE TO QUIT THEIR JOB AND MOVE TO ARIZONA AND QUIT THEIR JOBS AND GO ON ACCESS TO HAVE THIS GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE TO TAKE YEARS AND YEARS AND BANKRUPT THE STATE AND HE WAS GOING TO TOWN ON THIS THING.

THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO MEDICAID.

>> Ted: THIS IS NOT TO THE VOUCHERS.

>> I MEAN, THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE A COUNT OF HOW MANY THERE ARE AND I CAN'T IMAGINE ON THE AMAZING ASPOPULATION THERE ARE HOARDS TO STORM THE SURGICAL CENTERS WITH THE STATE HEALTH INSURANCE TO GET THESE CHANGES AND PROBABLY A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND I MEAN, WE'VE PAID 1.7 MILLION TO DEFEND A LAW THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE WON ON.

>> Ted: TALKING ABOUT LAW, THIS IS, AGAIN, FUNDING AS OPPOSED TO LAW, CORRECT?

>> YES.

SO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER AFFECTS THETHE FUNDS TO STATE EMPLOYEES, STATE PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO PASSING A LAW TO THE LEGISLATURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH THIS ALL AMOUNTS TO IN TERMS OF FUNDING.

>> Ted: WE HAVE TWO EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO THE OTHER EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND THE LEGISLATURE, REPUBLICANS LEADING THE LEGISLATURE.

NOT HAPPY ABOUT THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

>> THE STRONGEST RESPONSE TO THE ABORTION ONE AND MEMBERS OF THE SENATE.

THERE WAS A PRESS RELEASE LAST WEEK STRONGLY WORDED AND SORT OF HOSTILE AND SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T HOLD ANYMORE HEARINGS TO CONFIRM OR CONSIDER, RATHER, HER NOMINEES, WHICH PASSED TO THE SENATE AND THEN THE SENATE PRESIDENT CAME OUT WITH HIS OWN STATEMENT CORDIAL, WHICH IS, LIKE, I'M CONCERNED AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND AS OF NOW, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE MET AND IF THEY HAVE, THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

>> Ted: SHE'S ACTING LIKE A MONARCH IT WAS ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SUPERCEDING THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND MORE TO ADD TO THE LIST.

>> I THINK THE ABORTION ONE IS THE ONE THAT TRIGGERED THE MOST INTENSE RESPONSE FROM REPUBLICANS TO THE LEGISLATURE.

AND THAT ONE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND OFTENTIMES THIS IS DONE TO MAKE A STATEMENT AND DONE TO CIRCUMVENT A LEGISLATURE THAT THE GOVERNOR CAN'T GET WHAT HE OR SHE WANTS TO THE LEGISLATURE.

IN THIS CASE, THIS KIND OF FITS INTO A THIRD CATEGORY WHICH IS A HUH, OK, I GUESS WE'LL TRY THAT AND SEE IF THAT HOLDS UP IN COURT BECAUSE THIS ONE, YOU KNOW, BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS FAR AFIELD FROM WHAT IT WOULD BE AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE LEGALLEGALITY HASN'T BEEN TESTED AND SOME HAVE SAID, HOW CAN YOU DO THIS, WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WE'RE ELECTED TO DO A JOB AND YOU CAN'T SUPERCREED THAT SUPERCEDED A JOB.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS AGENCY HEADS, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY -- SO WHAT?

>> SO SENATOR HOFFMAN, WHO HEADS THAT COMMITTEE, HIGH WOULD ARGUE RUNS THE SENATE, HE PUT OUT, BASICALLY, AN ULTIMATUM, TODAY, I BELIEVE IT WAS, SAYING IF YOU WANT ANY OF YOUR NOMINEES TO BE HEARD OR CONSIDER, YOU NEED TO RESCIND THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, THESE RECENT ONES AND B, PROMISE TO NEVER DO IT AGAIN.

SHE WON'T DO THAT.

SO HE WON'T HEAR ANYTHING AND YOU HAVE THIS GAME OF POLITICAL CHICKEN OF WHO WILL BLINK FIRST AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

OBVIOUSLY, THE PLACE THIS NEEDS TO END UP, IN COURT.

AND HONESTLY, I THINK THAT THE REPUBLICAN SENATOR, A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING THIS ONE.

I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE GOVERNOR WILL DECIDE TO IGNORE A LAW.

THAT'S WHAT SHE'S DOING, NO LONGER CAN COUNTY ATTORNEYS ENFORCE OUR ABORTION LAWS AND WE'LL STRIP IT FROM YOU AND INVEST IT IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE SAID SHE WON'T PROSECUTE ANYONE.

>> Ted: THAT'S THE QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO DOESN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOU OR SHE THE SHOULD IS ON THE WHO FOOT.

>> I'M SORRY TO BE AN INSTIGATOR AND IF THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION, THEN TAKE IT TO THE COURT.

AND ALSO, YEAH, THAT SETS A STRANGE PRECEDENT, PICKING AND CHOOSING WHICH LAWS BASICALLY TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE FOR BASED ON YOUR OWN POLITICAL EQUATIONS AND NOT TO CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHO IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND GOVERNOR.

WHAT PRECEDENT IS THAT?

OH, YEAH, WE'LL SEND THIS PERSON TO JAIL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW -- >> Ted: THERE'S PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION, THOUGH.

>> THEY'RE ELECTED, THOUGH.

WE GET OUR BALLOTS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF POWER AND RELEVANCE IN THE STATE AND PICKING AND CHOOSING CASES TO TAKE AWAY AND YOUR OWN POLITICAL IDEAS.

NOW ITIT JUST SEEMS DANGEROUS.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS THE AGENCY HEADS, JIM, WHAT HAPPENS?

>> WE'RE IN A STALEMATE AND HOW TO RESOLVE THIS, JUST GIVEN WHERE EVERYONE -- THE POSITIONS THEY'VE STAKED OUT.

ONE PATH THAT MIGHT BE FORWARD THAT I'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT, WILL THE GOVERNOR CONTINUE TO PUT PEOPLE -- TO NOMINATE PEOPLE AS DIRECTORS AND INTERIM DIRECTORS?

IF YOU DO THIS AS AN INTERIM DIRECTOR OR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, THERE'S GRAY AREA HERE.

IN THE PAST, WE'VE SEEN THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES AFTER CRIST LEVEL, THERE I THINK DON RAN THAT AND NEVER WAS FORMALLY NOMINATED.

SO I THINK THAT IS KIND OF THE VERY OBVIOUS EXIT RAMP FOR THE GOVERNOR AND DOESN'T MEAN THIS LEGISLATURE WILL BE HAPPY OR WON'T SUE, BUT THAT GIVES SOME BREATHING ROOM AND WOULD LET THE COURTS SETTLE THIS.

>> Ted: POINT OF ORDER HERE, DOES THE LEGISLATURE -- IF THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT IN SESSION, DOES SHE NEED TO HAVE HER APPOINTEES CONFIRMED?

>> I MEAN, THEY CAN SERVE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WITHOUT CONFIRMED AND I THINK IT'S A YEAR.

SO THE ISSUE OF HAVING VACANCIES OR THINGS IN THE AIR IS STRESSFUL FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THOSE AGENCIES AND NOT JUST AGENCY DIRECTORS.

IN TERMS OF THE INTERIM THING, HOBBS DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT AND DIDN'T SAY WHY BECAUSE MAYBE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO GET INTO ANOTHER FIGHT.

AT THIS POINT, WHAT'S ANOTHER FIGHT?

BUT SHE SEEMED UNCOMFORTABLE.

IN THE END, SHE MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

>> IT'S DIFFICULT HOW YOU CAN ATTRACT QUALITY CANDIDATES, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE BANKING AND INSURANCE WOMAN WHO MOVED HERE FOR THE JOB.

BY ALL ACCOUNTS, INCREDIBLY QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB AND NOW SHE'S SORT OF HELD HOSTAGE AND HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNOR HOBBS WILL ATTRACT TOP TALENT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS STANDOFF AND THEIR OWN LIVES WOULD BE UP IN THE AIR.

>> Ted: AND HOW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN FURTHER SLOW WHAT HAS BEEN A SLOW PROCESS TO BEGIN WITH.

>> THIS HUGE THREAT, I'LL HOLD ARCHOFF ON YOUR NOMINEES.

THEY'VE SLOW-WALKED THIS ALL YEAR LONG.

>> Ted: AND REAL QUICKLY, YOU MENTIONED THIS, WARREN PETERSEN, SAYING THE DIRECTORS AND QUESTIONABLE ACTORS AND MENTIONED THAT AND NOT NECESSARILY A LOVE LETTER AND LET'S GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONABLE ACTIONS.

>> I THOUGHT THAT LETTER WAS RELATIVELY FRIENDLY AND TONED AND IT WAS LIKE, THIS IS ILLEGAL AND HIS LETTER WAS, LIKE, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO THEM, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO ME.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SILENCE FROM THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND HE SENT THAT TO THE MEDIA AND WE ALL KNOW HE PUT IT OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, ASKED HER TO COME TO THE TABLE.

>> Ted: DO WE SEE THIS OFTEN, WHERE I'LL MAKE PUBLIC MY LETTER WHERE YOU COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE PHONE?

>> I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A RELIABLE TACTIC FOR THE REPUBLICAN SO FAR THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT'S POLITICAL THEATER.

THEY ARE HAVING WHATEVER CONVERSATIONS ARE HAVING BEHIND THE SCENES.

THIS IS A SIGN THEY'VE GOTTEN NOWHERE AND THEY PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE LIKE THIS.

SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WITH LETTERS FROM THE SENATE PRESIDENT AND HOUSE SPEAKER OR SOME OTHER REPUBLICAN LITERSLEADERS.

BUT, AGAIN, SHORTLY AFTER.

>> Ted: QUESTIONABLE ACTIONS.

>> YOU SEE THESE LETTERS AND DO THEY NOT THINK THE GOVERNOR IS NOT LEADING THEIR TWITTER FEEDS WHERE THEY LAMBASTER.

THEY'RE TOO FAR APART.

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT SHE HAS NOW SHOWN REALLY WHAT SHE IS, IS FAIRLY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT, WRITE THINK SHE KIND OF TRIED TO RUNS A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND NOW I THINK SHE'S GIVEN UP ON THAT AND LURCHED TO THE LEFT AND IT'S INTERESTING TO WATCH THE NEXT FEW YEARS, ESPECIALLY HOW THAT PLAYS OUT NEXT YEAR.

>> Ted: LAURIE, RICK IS OUT AND I'M HEARING CYBERNINJA AND HE THINKS THERE SHOULD BE A HEAD OF INVESTIGATION AND WHO OTHER FOLKS, AS WELL AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> LOOK, IT WAS AUGUST 24th OF 2021 AND A JUDGE RULED THAT THE CYBERNINJA'S EMAILS TEXTS REGARDING THE AUDITOR PUBLIC RECORDS MUST BE TURNED OVER AND IT TOOK, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR TO GET ANYTHING OUT AND WE'RE COMING UP ON TWO YEARS WAITING AND NOT EVEN THE ORDER OF A $50,000 PER DAY FINE HAS GOTTEN HIM TO COUGH UP WHAT LOOKED TO BE THE MOST SENSITIVE DOCUMENTS OF ALL, WHICH ARE SOME OF HIS REPLIES AND EXCHANGES WITH TRUMP ALLIES AND SOME THE STEALERS.

BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR REPORTER HAS BEEN DOING A THOUSANDS OF ANGLES AND THIS INDEPENDENT AUDIT AND THE TRUMP FORCES.

>> Ted: YES.

>> SO I THINK THAT HE'S REACTING TO AT LEAST YOU HAVE VIOLATIONS OF THE PUBLIC RECORD'S LAW AND I THINK.

THINK THIS IS A CLASS SIX FELONY AND I THINK THERE'S A CRIMINAL LOOK AT THIS THING.

>> Ted: NOT OBEYING A COURT ORDER AND ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD THAT COULD POP UP BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID.

I MEAN, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, THIS THING WAS SUCH -- IT WAS REALLY A DISASTER AND IT JUST SITS OUT THERE IN THE FRONT YARD MAKING THE MESS.

>> I'M HAVING DEJA VU.

I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE.

WHEN DID THEY KNOW IT AND WHEN WILL WE KNOW IT, TOO.

WE'VE BEEN HASHING THIS OUT AND THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF COUNTY ATTORNEYS WHO ARE ELECTED AND HAVE POWER AND KNOW THE LAW AND RESPONSIBLE FOR FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THING AND I THINK THAT MAYBE THE INEVITABLE END OF THE STORY IS THAT WE GET ALL OF THE RECORDS AND THEY SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CYBERNINJAS KNEW WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT AUDIT AND SAID THINGS THAT WERE MISLEADING.

>> Ted: THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO THE TRUMP CAMP AND A PREDETERMINED RESULT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THERE WERE SO MANY QUESTION MARKS HERE AND WHY HAS THERE NOT BEEN MORE INVESTIGATION?

50,000 BUCKS A DAY WOULD HIT ANYONE IN THE WALLET AND YET, IT GOES BY.

>> OVER FIVE MILLION AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE WILL SEE THAT MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO WONDER, WHAT SIT THAT YOU'RE HIDING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO RISK GOING TO JAIL FOR CONTEMPT OF COURT FOR NOT PAYING THIS $50,000 A DAY FINE?

>> Ted: UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMEONE OUT THERE SAYING, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, I HAVE YOU COVERED.

>> THE IMAGINATION CAN RUN WILD, WHAT WAS REDACTED AND NOT TURNED OVER AND SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.

SO I THINK THAT IS JUST DOING A HOLISTIC ALWAYS AND AUTOPSY AND WHAT DO THEY KNOW AND WHO WAS PULLING THE STRINGS ON IT?

I THINK THAT IS ULTIMATELY IMPORTANT.

>> Ted: ANY COMMENT FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE?

>> ONLY THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO INVESTIGATE AND FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THAT IT'S LITIGATION AND THEY DON'T WANT TO COMMENT.

>> Ted: LET'S MOVE ON AND CAMRYN, WHO IS GERALDINEROLD?

>> SHE RESIGNED WITH A FIREY RESIGNATION LETTER AND NOT RESPECTFULLY THAT SHE WAS QUITTING IN PINAL COUNTY.

AND SHE WAS PAID TO HANDLE ELECTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAD KERFUFFLES AND SHE SAID THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER DIDN'T DEFEND HER AND DIDN'T LIKE IT AND SHE GOT FED UP.

>> Ted: THIS LETTER WAS SOMETHING, RIDICULED AND DISRESPECT, INTIMIDATION AND SHE DIDN'T HELP ME.

>> ALSO, SHE RAISES THIS, THAT YOU'RE BOWING TO A SMALL PART OF ONE PARTICULAR PARTY AND HOW CAN YOU RUN A CLEAN ELECTION WHEN YOU'RE BEHOLDEN TO THOSE PEOPLE.

I THOUGHT THE LETTER WAS LIKE EVERY WORKING JOE'S DREAM.

IT STARTED OUT WITH NO REGRETS AND, "I QUIT."

I SHOWS HOW UPSET SHE IS.

SHE DID AN INTERVIEW SAYING I DIDN'T RESIGN, I QUIT.

IT TELLS YOU THE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION AND THE I THINK IT'S A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION THAT MANY ELECTION'S DIRECTORS IN THIS STATE FEEL.

WE'VE LOST A NUMBER AND I THINK SHE'S, WHAT, NUMBER FOUR IN PINAL COUNTY.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT PINAL COUNTY, JIM.

BEFORE SHE GOT THERE, SHE WAS BROUGHT THERE TO CLEAN UP THE MESS.

>> THE 2022 ELECTION IN PINAL COUNTY IS A ROLLING SERIES OF DISASTERS, RIGHT.

THEY HIRED A NEW ELECTION DIRECTOR COMING INTO THE 2022 ELECTION AND THEY HAD MAJOR PROBLEMS AT THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY IN THE PRIMARY AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF POLLING PLACES THAT DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH BALLOTS AND STILL A PRECINCT'S LOCATION.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BALLOTS ON HAND, YOU CAN'T PRINT MORE AND THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM.

THEY GOT RID OF HIM AND BROUGHT IN VIRGINIA ROSS AND BROUGHT HER ON A VERY EXORBITANT CONTRACT TO TRY TO REINSTILL CONFIDENCE IN THE PAST AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT -- AND THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE OF THE STATE MANDATED RECOUNT IS THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL HUNDRED BALLOTS THAT DID NOT GET COUNTED, THAT GOT COUNTED THE SECOND TIME.

THAT WAS AN EMBARRASSMENT AND PAID HER A BUNCH OF MONEY AND LEFT THE STATE.

THEY HAD NO WAY OR DESIRE TO CLAW THAT MONEY BACK FROM HER.

THEN THEY BROUGHT HER IN TO PICK THINGS UP AFTER THAT.

COMING INTO 2024 TO ESTABLISH SOME GOOD PRACTICES AND PROCEDURES IN THAT ELECTION'S DEPARTMENT.

YOU KNOW, THENING THAT THE FINAL STRAW, AN ISSUE OVER GPS TRACKERS THAT VIRGINIA ROSS PURCHASED AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID IT WAS DONE OUTSIDE OF THE PROCUREMENT AND ILLEGAL AND THE TRACKERS DIDN'T WORK THE WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO.

SHE UNILATERALLY CANCELED THE CONTRACT AND NOT BE ON THE HOOK FOR SEVERAL YEARS' WORTH OF PAYING FOR THIS.

REPUBLICANS IN THE AREA VIEWED THIS, THAT OH, THEY'RE GETTING RID OF GPS TRACKERS TO ENABLE FRAUD BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY MONITOR WHERE THESE BALLOT BOXES WERE AT AND TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOTHING NEFARIOUS HAPPENING.

>> Ted: AS JIM OUTLINED HERE, GOODNESS GRACIOUS, HOW WILL YOU GET QUALIFIED OFFICIALS WHO WILL PUT UP WITH THIS PROCESS?

>> YOU'RE NOT.

THE ELECTION'S OFFICIALS ARE NERDY AND HAVE A -- IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ELECTIONS AND I THINK WE KNOW WAY MORE THAN WE WANTED TO KNOW, IT'S A COMPLEX THING AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A PASSION FOR IT.

AND EVERY ELECTION'S DIRECTOR I'VE DEALT WITH ISN'T SO MUCH INTERESTED IN WHAT THE OUTCOME IS AS GETTING THE OUTCOME RIGHT.

THEY'RE AFTER ATTACK AFTER ATTACK AFTER ATTACK AND WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS AND THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS SAYING, IS SORRY, NOT SORRY, I'M OUT OF HERE.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS THE SUCCESSOR NOW AND THE FACTION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AS SHE DESCRIBES IT, WILL THEY GET SOMEBODY FRIENDLY THAT THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED AND WANDERING THE DESERT?

>> I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT POINT.

LIKE, NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING I'VE HEARD IN ELECTIONS WORK IN THE STATE WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO TAKE THAT JOB.

I WOULD LOVE TO GET MONEY LIKE THAT AND EVERYTHING GONE WRONG MAKES PEOPLE NOT BELIEVE IN ELECTIONS AND MAKES THEM ANGRIERS NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE.

>> WHAT YOU'LL END UP WITH IS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL END UP HIRING -- THEY'LL POLITICIZE THE OFFICE AND HIRE SOMEONE THAT AGREES WITH THEM THAT, YES, THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN AND WE HAVE TO FIX IT AND WON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW THINGS RUN OR WHY THINGS RUN THE WHAT THEY DO.

THEY'LL FIX IT AND MAKE IT WAY WORSE.

>> Ted: SHE SAID, YOU'RE TRYING TO POLITICIZE THIS OFFICE, IN PINAL COUNTY.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE SEEN A HUGE TRAIN IN ELECTION'S ADMINISTRATORS ACROSS THE STATE AND ARIZONA IS NOT UNIQUE AND IT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE NATION AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU TAKE A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS AND UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES AND WHAT IT TAKES AND IT IS A LOGISTICAL FEAT TO PULL OFF AN ELECTION.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO IT.

I THINK THE POINT WAS MADE, THEY JUST WANT THE OUTCOME RIGHT.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GET OUT OF HERE, CAMRYN, THERE'S REPLACEMENTS FOR KAISERS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND PICK AMONG THESE THREE NAMES.

INTERESTING COLLECTION OF NAMES.

>> JOSH BARNETT WHO RAN FOR CONGRESS AND THEN THERE WAS PAUL CARVER, THE LD CHAIR FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND HE WAS, ACTUALLY, NOMINATED BY KAISER.

AND CONSIDER THAT AN ENDORSEMENT, IF YOU WILL, I THINK, AND I BELIEVE THAT EVON WAS THE "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTED THEY'VE BEEN INTERVIEWED AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PICK THE NAME ANY TIME SOON, BUT PROBABLY IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS?

>> SHONDRA BULLOCK ALLOWED AN ALTERNATE SET.

>> THAT'S WHAT SHE'S BEST KNOWN FOR, HER BILL IN 2021, JANUARY OF 2021, SHE DROPPED THIS BILL THAT WOULD ALLOW THE LEGISLATURE TO VETO THE POPULAR VOTE IF SHE SUSPECT FRAUD AND SEND THE ELECTORS OF THEIR CHOOSING TO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

ALL THREE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE ELECTION DENIERS AND ALL THREE ARE FAR FROM THE FAR RIGHT AND YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALL ELECTION DENY SUMMERS.

>> IERS?

>> I TALK TOED CARVER AND HE WOULDN'T SAY.

>> HE HAS TIES TO AN ANTIGOVERNMENT MILITIA.

PART OF THE THREE PERCENTERS.

>> I THINK THEY'RE ALL ELECTION DENIERS AND THREE FAIRLY STAUNCHLY CONSERVATIVE PEOPLE IN A SWING DISTRICT AND ONE OF THE FIVE SWING DISTRICTS WE HAVE AND YOU HAVE DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE JUDY SHWIBERT.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DO?

DO THEY PICK BULLOCK AND SAY YOU'RE GOING BACK?

>> BILL GATES, TRADITIONALLY, THE SUPERVISOR GETS THE PICK AND THE BOARD GOES ALONG.

SO BILL GATES, THE FACE OF MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTIONS IS FACED WITH SOPHIE'S CHOICE AND NOT RUNNING AGAIN AND DON'T KNOW WHAT POLITICAL PROSPECTS HE HAS, IF HE HAS ANY MORE POLITICAL AMBITIONS GOING FORWARD AND WHO KNOWS, RIGHT?

HE COULD, YOU KNOW, LIGHT A FUSE AND PICKS SOMEONE WHO WILL DO THE BEST AND UNCLEAR HOW THOSE INTERVIEWS WENT.

>> Ted: PANEL, GOOD STUFF.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!