>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP'S STORY INCLUDING A POSSIBLY SHOWDOWN.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK IS CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF THE ARIZONA CAPITAL TIMES AND JEREMY DUDA OF AXIOS PHOENIX AND MARK BRODIE OF K-J-Z-Z RADIO AND.

LET'S START WITH YOU AND THIS IDEA, IT'S DRAMATIC TO SAY AND CONSTITUTIONAL SHOWDOWN, BUT IT COULD HEAD THERE BECAUSE OF AN EXECUTION.

TALK TO US.

>> HE WAS PUT ON DEATH ROW AND ASKED TO BE EXECUTED AND TOOK THAT BACK AND IT'S A BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DIDN'T WANT TO AND HOBBS DIDN'T WANT TO THE MARICOPA ATTORNEY GENERAL DIDN'T WANT TO AND THE STATE HAS TO AND THEY'RE FIGHTING IT OUT.

THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP, PETERSEN AND TOMA ARE SAYING THAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD BE EXECUTING THIS PERSON.

>> Ted: CONVICTED OF A MURDER IN 2002 AND THE COURT SAYS, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT AND GOVERNMENT SAYS NOT SO FAST BECAUSE THE STATE HASN'T DONE SO WELL IN THE PAST.

>> WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR LETHAL INJECTION SYSTEM AND KRIS MAYES WANTED TO DO HALT EXECUTION BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES, MARK BRNOVICH WITH HOW TO GET THE LETHAL INJECTION DRUGS THAT HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO COME BY LATELY AND KRIS MAYES, SAYING WE DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THE EXPERTISE TO CARRY THIS OUT AND THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT HAS EXECUTED THIS WARRANT AND IS THAT OPTIONAL OR MANDATORY AND DOES THE STATE HAVE TO CARRY THAT OUT.

THEY REJECTED KRIS MAYES' EXECUTION THAT MARK BRNOVICH PUT IN.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS SAYING THAT'S NOT CONSTITUTIONAL, THAT THERE'S A REAL REASON WHY WE'RE SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE THIS COB COULD BE A SEPARATION OF POWER.

LIKE, CAN THE COURT COMPEL THE STATE TO EXECUTE SOMEBODY IN IF YOU LISTEN TO THE GOVERNOR AND ATTORNEY GENERAL, THEIR POSITION IS THAT THE WARRANT OF EDUCATION ACCUSATION, WE ARE ALLOWED TO EXECUTE IF WE CHOOSE TO.

ACCORDING TO RACHEL MITCHELL AND SOME OTHERS, NO, NO, YOU HAVE TO.

THE COURT HAS ISSUED THIS AND YOU HAVE TO CARRY OUT THE EXECUTION.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S INTERESTING.

A LOT OF THE LEGAL FOLKS IN TOWN ARE INTERESTED IN HOW THE COURT WILL COME DOWN ON THIS IF THE WARRANT OF OF EXECUTION, YOU HAVE TO DO IT.

>> Ted: HOW ARE THEY INVOLVED?

>> THE AM AMICUS BRIEFS, IT'S A PARTISAN DIVIDE, THE PUBLIC IS SUPPORTIVE AND DEMOCRATS NOT SO MUCH.

KRIS MAYES IS NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT SHE WANTS TO GO BACK AND REEXAMINE THE POLICY, HOW WE CARRY THIS OUT AND WE HAVE HAD UNFORTUNATE HISTORY IN THE RECENT YEARS OF BOTCHED EXECUTIONS.

A LOT OF FOLKS ARE GETTING INVOLVED AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND VICTIM'S FAMILIES AND ARGUMENTS AND COURT WILL CARRY WEIGHT AND EVERYONE WHO HAS AN OPINION AND MOST FOLKS IN PARTISAN POLITICS.

>> Ted: IT WILL CARRY WEIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT PLEASED.

>> THEY'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE 2002 AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO AND HOBBS HAS A GROUP LOOKING AT HOW TO HANDLE EXECUTIONS.

BUT THERE'S NO SET TIME FRAME FOR THIS GROUP AND HOW OFTEN WILL THEY MEET AND COME TO A DECISION AND HAVE THEY STARTED MEETING.

IF WE'RE POSTPONING EVERYTHING UNTIL THEY'VE FINISHED UP, THEN THAT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, YEARS AWAY?

>> Ted: POST POST-SENTENCING POSTING ISPOSTPONING IS SAYING IT'S OPTIONING.

SOMEONE WILL BE COVERING IT.

MARK, LET'S START WITH YOU ON THIS BILL THAT TARGETS JUDGES AND ANTHONY KERN IS BEHIND THIS ONE?

>> GOING BACK TO JUDGES THAT HAVE IMPOSED SANCTIONS ON ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE COME UP WITH SOME OF THE ELECTION-RELATED LAWSUITS THAT JUDGES HAVE DEEMED FRIVOLOUS OR OTHER WORDS LIKE THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THIS GOES BACK TO A LONG-STANDING ANIMUS BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND THE STATE BAR OF ARIZONA, AS WELL, IN TERMS OF A FEELING THAT THE BAR IS ANTAGONISTIC TO REPUBLICANS.

>> Ted: DIDN'T KERN -- >> 75$7,000.

>> Ted: YES.

THAT DID HAPPEN AND THIS HAS BEEN A TREND REPUBLICANS, NOT JUST IN ARIZONA, BUT SANCTIONED FOR MARK FINCHEM LIKE THE ELECTION AND JUDGES BEING LIKE, NO, THIS IS FRIVOLOUS, YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH PROOF, ESSENTIALLY, AND SO THIS IS THE SYSTEM OF PUNISHMENT AND HAS A CHILLING EFFECTIVE ACCORDING TO PROPONENTS OF THE BILL THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE LEGITIMATE LAWSUITS FROM HAPPENING PUP HAPPENING.

>> Ted: IF THEY WERE FORCED TO PAY THIS WITH THE SANCTION AND HE BRINGS UP, LET'S START DOING THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE A CONNECTION.

>> AND OTHER FOLKS, CURRENT AND FORMER MEMBERS.

WHAT I THOUGHT WAS FASCINATING ABOUT THIS BILL IS THAT, YOU CAN'T PUNISH THEM FOR BRINGING MERITORIOUS CASES IN GOOD FAITH AND PUNISH THE STATE BAR AND ARIZONA SUPREME COURT IF THEY DO SANCTION LAWYERS AND PLAINTIFFS.

WHO DECIDES?

THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT DECIDES.

IT GOES BACK UP TO THEM.

THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT SAYS WE'LL SANCTION YOU, YOU PAY ATTORNEY FEES AND YOU LOSE YOUR LAW LICENSE AND YOU'VE CHALLENGED THAT AND DOES IT GO BACK UP TO?

THERE'S NO HIGHER ARBITER?

THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT AND THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT MAKES THESE CALLS.

>> Ted: THE SPECIAL MASTER?

>> SOME FOLKS WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND TO JEREMY'S POINT, YOU'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES AT A CERTAIN POINT HERE.

>> Ted: IF THE SUPREME COURT DISCIPLINES AN ATTORNEY, THE COURT COULD LOSE 10% OF THE BUDGET?

>> YEAH, PUNISHING THE COURT FOR WANTING TO PUNISH THE ATTORNEYS.

I WANTED TO MENTION PROOF FROM LAWMAKERS WHO BRING THESE BILLS FORWARD AND I HAVE ANOTHER BILL THAT WOULD SAY, YOU CAN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO BE IN THE STATE BAR AND SHE WAS TESTIFYING ON THAT IN THE HOUSE COMMITTEE.

I THINK IT WAS ORT I Z SHEIZ THAT SHE HAD PROOF AND KERN COULD PROVE THIS WAS HAPPENING AND JUDGES ARE TAKING THIS OUT ON ATTORNEYS WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE POSITIONS.

AND I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ORT IRRITATIONIZ ASKED FOR THAT PROOF.

IT HASN'T COME FORWARD.

I REQUESTED IT AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING BACK.

>> Ted: THE STATE BAR SAID THIS IS FALSE AND WE DON'T TELL ATTORNIES WHAT NOTTELLATTORNEYS WHAT TO GO AFTER.

>> THAT THE BAR IS TAKING PROACTIVE MEASURES TO STOP ATTORNEYS, CONSERVATIVE ATTORNEYS IN PARTICULAR FROM TAKING CERTAIN CASES IN PARTICULAR AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE STATE BAR OPERATED.

YOU FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THEM AND THEY LOOK INTO IT AND IT GOES UP THROUGH THE COURTS.

GOING BACK TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT THE FRIVOLOUS CASE.

IT WOULD BE MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S RARE TO SEE A CASE WHERE SOMEONE HAD TO PAY ATTORNEY'S FEES, ESPECIALLY FOR AN ACTUAL ATTORNEY, FOR THOSE ATTORNEY'S FEES.

AND THAT SPEAKS TO THE INCREASE AND PREVALENCE SINCE THE 2020 ELECTION AND I THINK YOU CAN DATE IT TO WHERE THESE WILD THEORIES THAT DON'T STAND UP UNDER ANY SCRUTINY TO OVERTURN ELECTIONS IN PARTICULAR.

AND I THINK WE'VE JUST SEEN A MASSIVE INCREASE BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THESE WILD ALLEGATIONS SURROUNDING ELECTIONS.

>> Ted: I WONDER HOW FAR THIS WILL GO, BUT THIS IDEA THAT THE BAR IS EMAILING ATTORNEYS AND TELLING THEM, DON'T TAKE THIS CASE, DON'T TAKE THAT AND THAT IS PATENTLY UNTRUE?

>> I THINK SOME OF THIS PROBABLY GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE SECRECY WITH WHICH THE BAR OPERATES.

YOU CAN'T TALK TO EVERYBODY ABOUT IT.

ALSO A LOT OF SECRECY AND PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE AND NOT OF THE OPINION THAT LAWYERS SHOULDN'T BE LICENSED BY THE BAR AND A MEMBER OF THE BAR.

EVEN THOSE FOLKS WOULD LIKE MORE TRANSPARENCYTRANSPARENCY AND IF THERE'S ETHIC'S ISSUE IN THE LEGAL COMMUNITY.

I WONDER IF SOME OF THAT COMES BACK TO THAT TRANSPARENCY ISSUE?

>> Ted: HOW FAR DOES THIS GO, CAMRYN?

>> I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS VETOED BY HOBBS.

>> Ted: YOU WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS VETOED BY LEGISLATURE?

NO REPUBLICAN WILL BE DINGING THE SUPREME COURT 10% OF THE BUDGET?

>> EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT AND A REPUBLICAN'S LOW VOTE CAN KILL THIS, DO YOU WANT TO STICK YOUR NECK OUT WHEN IT WILL BE VETOED BY HOBBS?

UNDER NAPOLITANO AND HOBBS.

>> Ted: TALK TO US ABOUT THIS BILL BECAUSE THIS ADDRESSED HOUSING SHORTAGES AND BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND HAD BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION AND IT DIES.

>> I COULD TALK ABOUT THIS BILL FOR A HALF AN HOUR EASILY.

A LONG TIME COMING AND IT'S BEEN -- WELL, IT CAME UP LAST YEAR AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT.

THERE WAS AN INTERIM COMMITTEE THAT KAISER, THE SPONSOR CHAIRED ON HOUSING AND THE MAIN TAKE AWAY, THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH ZONING REGULATION AND WE NEED MORE HOUSING IN ARIZONA URGENTLY.

HIS BILL, AMONG OTHER THINGS WOULD CUT BACK ON THAT AND IT HAS SO MANY ELEMENTS, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION HAS BEEN WHY IT'S SO MUCH TROUBLE AND PEOPLE ARE LEGITIMATELY CONFUSED AND THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AT THE LAST MINUTE ARE LOOKING AT THE BOARD LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHICH PARTS I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH.

SO IT DIED, I THINK IT WAS 9/20/21 THIS SENATE.

HE'S NOT DONE AND HE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK AND NOW THE LEAGUE WHO OPPOSED THE BILL, THEY SAY THEY'RE PUSHING THEIR OWN PROPOSAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL SPONSOR IT BUT IT A COUNTERPLAN.

>> Ted: IT COMES BACK AS A STRIKE?

>> THE DEADLINE ON A BILL TO BE HEARD.

>> IT COMES BACK IN A MODIFIED FORMS OF STRIKE AND IT BEING BROKEN UP INTO DIFFERENT PIECES AND IT DOES A LOT OF THINGS AND WHEN YOUR BILL DOES 12 DIFFERENT THINGS AND TEN ARE CONTROVERSIAL, IT MAKES IT HARDER TO ROUND UP THAT 16 AND 31 AND EVEN AFTER SENATOR KAISER WHICH TOOK OUT THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL WHICH ELIMINATES ABILITIES FOR DENSITY OF APARTMENTS AND WHERE THOSE GO AND THAT WAS, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I HEARD, THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL PART AND A LOT OF NIMBYISM FROM THE LAWMAKERS.

AND MOSTLY -- NOT ALL OF THE REPUBLICANS WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST IT BUT FROM THE DEMOCRATS A LOT OF ARGUMENTS NO REQUIREMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CAN YOU GET THAT PASSED THE REPUBLICANS.

>> Ted: LIMIT TIME FOR PROPOSAL REVIEWS AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND A LOT OF THINGS ON THIS PARTICULAR MENU.

LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS AND THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM TO FIGHT THIS AND THE WHOLE IDEA WAS TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE.

>> THE ZONING THING WAS REALLY, REALLY A PROBLEM FOR THE LEAGUE AND WHAT IS INTERESTING, A LOT OF THINGS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY AT THE CAPITOL AGREES THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE AND A HOUSING CRISIS, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS AND THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THERE'S JUST REALLY NOT AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT SHOULD BE.

AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS JEREMY SAID, IF YOU TAKE IT OUT AND BREAK IT UP, IF YOU GET SMALLER COMPONENTS WITH STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY, THAT ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT THE LEAGUE AND CITIES AND TOWNS ARE THAT OPPOSED TO.

>> Ted: IF YOU SOFTEN THE HARDER EDGES, DOES IT DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO?

IS IT GOING TO WORK?

>> HE'S HAD TO SAVE IT DOWN A LOT AND THIS WAS A SKINNIER BILL AND SO DENSE AND I'VE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME WITH IT AND I CAN SAY THAT CONFIDENTLY.

THE LEGAL PLAN HAS FAR FEWER TEETH THAN ANYTHING KAISER COULD GET ON BOARD WITH.

IT'S A TAME BILL AND ONLY APPLY TO MUNICIPALITIES, OVER 75,000 AND THAT'S NOT THAT MANY AND, LIKE, 15 CITIES IN ARIZONA.

IT LETS THEM, THE MUNICIPALITIES PICK FROM A MENU OF THINGS TO IMPLEMENT AND THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE THREE THINGS.

SO IT WOULD BE A LOT SMALLER, BUT, THEN, DEMOCRATS ARE MORE WILLING TO JUMP ON BOARD IF THE LEAGUE IS ON BOARD.

>> Ted: THE LEAGUE'S PROPOSAL, IS IT TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING SITUATION OR TO COUNTER THIS BILL?

>> YES.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR GOING TO DO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> THE ORIGINAL BILL, SHE HAD RESERVATIONS AND I HAVEN'T ASKED HER OFFICE SINCE SENATOR KAISER DEMANDED TO TAKE OUT THE DENSITY PROVISION.

I THINK IF THE LEAGUE IS OPPOSING IT, GOVERNOR HOBBS IS GOING TO BE INCLINED TO OPPOSE IT AND THIS IS A FIGHT IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR YEARS AND YEARS OVER CITIES AND REPUBLICANS GENERALLY BEING KIND OF HOSTILE TO CITY GOVERNMENT VERY WILLING TO OVERRIDE THE THINGS AND DEMOCRATS, BECAUSE OF THAT EMERGING AS THE CHAMPION AS THE CITY, ESPECIALLY, BECAUSE IT COMES DOWN TO CITIES LIKE PHOENIX, TUCSON AND THESE EMERGED AS THE CHAMPIONS OF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

SO IF THE LEAGUE IS ON BOARD WITH SOMETHING, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT.

IF THEY'RE OPPOSED, IT WILL BE HARD TO ROUND UP, ESPECIALLY FOR THE APPROPRIATES OF THE PROPONENTS.

>> Ted: SHE WOULD NOT LIKE THE SHADOWS.

>> ONE OF THE REHAB RATIONALES IS CITIES WOULDN'T LIKE IT.

>> Ted: MARK, RUNOFF ELECTIONS AND MAYOR GALLEGO, THEY'LL BE ON THE COUNCIL?

>> SHE GOT EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTED OUT OF THE ELECTIONS.

THE TWO CANDIDATE, KEVIN ROBINSON AND DISTRICT 8 BOTH WON AND WHAT WILL BE INTERESTING NOW AND WHAT I'LL HEARING FROM FOLKS, REALLY, IT'S GOING TO BE PRESSURE ON MAYOR GALLEGO TO GET DONE THE STUFF SHE HAS TO GET DONE.

SHE HAS THE COUNCIL TO DO THESE THINGS, SO WILL SHE BE ABLE TO DO THEM.

>> Ted: TALK ABOUT THE RACES, JEREMY.

WE HAVE EXTREME CANDIDATES ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM AND THEY LOST.

>> Ted: THE COUNCIL'S MORE CONSERVATIVE MEMBER AND LIBERAL MEMBER AND THE INCUMBENT IN DISTRICT 8 AND THE FIRST TIME IF DECADES THAT AN ELECTED INCUMBENT LOST OVER THE PHOENIX CITY COUNCIL AND LEFT WING, HOSTILE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE GUY ATTENDING COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT STOP POLICE BRUTALITY AND A LIBERAL DISTRICT AND AFTER FOUR YEARS AND NOT LIBERAL ENOUGH FOR POLICIES AND WASHINGTON, A MUCH MORE CENSURIST DEMOCRAT.

IN THE OTHER RACE, IT'S BEEN KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE AS YOU'VE SEEN POLITICS SHIFT FROM RED TO IF NOT BLUE TO PURPLISH, THE AREAS THAT DISTRICT INCLUDES HAVE BEEN AT THE EPICENTER.

LOOK AT OFF WHAT AUWATUKEE AND THE FORMER CHIEF THE STAFF TRYING TO CARRY THE TORCH AND YOU END UP WITH ROBINSON AS AN INDEPENDENT AND SEEMS TO REPRESENTS THE LEFT.

>> Ted: YOUR THOUGHTS?

>> I LIVE IN DISTRICT 8 AND A LOT OF MAILERS ATTACKING GARCIA, SO SOMEBODY, GALLEGO, WENT ALL OUT TO SEE HE DIDN'T COME BACK AND CONSIDERED TO THE FAR LEFT AND FAR RIGHT AND THIS IS A VICTORY FOR MAYOR GALLEGO, THEY CAN ACHIEVE MORE BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T BE SO POLARIZED.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES SHE WANT TO ACHIEVE?

>> WELL, HOUSING IS A BIG ONE AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN WATER.

I THINK POLICE IS AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE THAT WAS AN ISSUE PEOPLE HAD WITH GATHER GARCIA.

>> ONE THING INTERESTING TO WATCH, GALLEGO HAS FIVE AND MORE DEPENDING ON THE ISSUE.

BUT ARE THE FOUR FALL IN LAW.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THAT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE.

THE OTHER COUNCILWOMAN, THEY BUTTED HEADS A NUMBER OF TIMES.

JUST BECAUSE THEY HELPED TO GET THEM ELECTED, WILL THEY ALWAYS DO AS SHE WANTS AND STRIKE OUT ON THEIR OWN?

ALSO, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE LAST CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE HAVE A CONGRESSIONAL RACE AND TWO WHO HAVE LIKELY TO GET INTO THAT RACE AND THAT'S ANOTHER POTENTIAL CHANCE FOR MAYOR GAY EYE GEAUXGALLEGO TO REPLACE THEM WITH ALLIES.

>> THERE'S THE ISSUE OF THE NEW MEMBERS, ROBINSON AND WASHINGTON, AND THERE WILL BE SOME AMOUNT OF PRESSURE TO NOT JUST BE SEEN AS RUBBER STAMPS FOR GALLEGO.

A COLLEAGUE SOME AFTER HE WON AND MADE A POINT TO SAY I DON'T AGREE WITH HER ON EVERYTHING AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO SAY.

THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE SOME DAYLIGHT AND INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY GO ALONG WITH PRIORITIES AND HOW MUCH THEY DON'T.

>> Ted: WAS A SURPRISE THAT A FORMER POLICE OFFICER WON A CITY COUNCIL RACE?

>> THERE'S A HISTORY FORMER POLICE OFFICERS WINNING TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK ESPECIALLY IN THAT RACE, THE GENERAL ELECTION, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, IN NOVEMBER, HAD A TON OF CANDIDATES.

SO I THINK, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, SAM STONE, IN ADDITION TO WORKING FOR DI CICCIO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT HURT HIM AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT HELPED HIM.

>> Ted: DID SHE ENDORSE HIM?

>> I WANT TO SAY YES.

>> I ASSUME SO BECAUSE I HADN'T CHECKED.

BUT HE WORKED FOR A CANE FOR CAMPAIGN FOR A LONG TIME.

>> WE ASSUMED HE WOULD BE WORKING FOR A LAKE ADMINISTRATION.

>> HE CONCEDED RIGHT AWAY.

>> Ted: AND QUICKLY, YES, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE CONFUSING TO SOME LAKE SUPPORTERS.

>> Ted: WE HAD THE ARIZONA FREEDOM CAUCUS AND CAMRYN, THEY EXPRESSED TO RANKED CHOICED VOTING.

WHAT IS THAT?

>> I LOVE THIS QUESTION AND I WROTE ABOUT THIS AT THE END OF NOVEMBER.

SO I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR IT TO COME UP AGAIN.

BASICALLY, RANKED CHOICE VOTING IS A WAY OF VOTING THAT WE DON'T DO STATE-WIDE THIS ARIZONA AND ALASKA K IS ONE OF THEM AND GOT ATTENTION WHEN SARAH PALIN GOT.

THE FIRST ROUND, YOU GET 20% OF THE VOTE, YOU GET 40 AND YOU GET 40 AND YOU'RE OUT AND GOES TO A RUNOFF.

SO EVERYONE WHO PUT YOU AS THEIR FIRST CHOICE, THEIR SECOND CHOICES FEED INTO TED AND JEREMY.

THE SECOND ROUND, YOU DON'T PICK ANYTHING UP AND YOU PICK UP 20% AND YOU HAVE 60 AND 40 AND NOW TED IS THE GOVERNOR.

>> Ted: THAT WAS EASY.

FOUND.

>> CONGRATULATIONS.

[ Laughter ] >> THAT IS DISENFRANCHISING VOTERS AND TOO CONFUSING AND TED DIDN'T GET MORE THAN 40% IN THE FIRST ROUND AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MAJORITY AND HE SHOULDN'T BE THE GOVERNOR AND THEREFORE, PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED MARK AND JEREMY ARE DISENFRANCHISED BY THE SYSTEM.

>> Ted: YOU'RE FORMER COLLEAGUE IS IN THIS PUSH TO GET RANK CHOICE VOTING.

REPUBLICANS AGAINST IT?

I'M IMAGINING SOME DEMOCRATS AREN'T EXCITED ABOUT IT EITHER.

>> PROBABLY SO.

I THINK THERE'S A COALITION OF -- I THINK KIND OF LIKE THE HOUSING BILL, BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND BIPARTISAN OPPOSITION TO IT.

AND I THINK THE ISSUE OF -- IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU STAND IN TERMS OF WHICH ARGUMENT YOU USE AND THE CONFUSING ARGUMENT -- IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES IS ONE THAT PEOPLE USE AND I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR REPUBLICANS, THE DISENFRANCHISED ARGUMENT IS MORE.

>> Ted: ELIMINATES THE PRIMARY SYSTEM AND IN GENERAL, I THINK THE GOAL IS YOU HAVE TO GET BROAD SUPPORT TO WIN.

YOU CAN'T JUST APPEAL TO A SMALL SLIVER OF VOTERS.

>> FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE SYSTEM, THAT'S A MAJOR PART THEY WANT THIS BECAUSE IT BRINGS THINGS TO THE CENTER AND WEEDS OUT THE EXTREMES AND FORCES YOU TO APPEAL TO A BROADER BASE AND YOU WILL SEE THE FREEDOM CAUCUS WHICH IS THE RIGHT WING OF THE PARTY AND SEEING THIS IS TARGETED AT THEM AND MAYBE, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AS WELL AND NOT AS LOCALLY.

SIMILAR TO THE TOP TWO PRIMARY INITIATIVES FROM 2012, WHICH THE SAME CAMPAIGN IS LOOKING -- NOT THE SAME THING BUT BRINGING THAT BACK BECAUSE BOTH ON THE BALLOT AND ANOTHER MEASURE AIMED AT PUSHING POLITICS CLOSER TO THE CENTER AND WEEDING OUT THE EXTREME.

>> Ted: WE KNOW WHEN TWO MEASURES ARE SIMILAR AND PEOPLE VOTING NO AND NO, AND IS THAT A GOOD THING?

>> IF YOU'RE SUPPORTING ONE OF THESE, IT ISN'T.

IF YOU'RE SUPPORTING A CHANGE TO THE PRIMARY SYSTEM, YOU WANT ONE OF THEM TO PASS FOR SURE.

>> Ted: REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING BILLS TO STOP THIS THING, IS THAT TRUE?

>> BOTH FROM FREEDOM CAUCUS MEMBERS, NO FOR RANKED CHOICE AND WE DON'T HAVE IT.

IF AND WHEN IT PASSES, THAT WOULD OVERRIDE THAT.

IF THEY SAY WE HATE IT AND LOVE IT, THE VOTERS WIN.

>> NOT SOMETHING BANNING SOMETHING WE DO AND DIFFERENT LEGISLATURE CAN COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND PASS A DIFFERENT LAW OR VOTERS CAN PASS A LOW AND THAT OVERRIDES THE LEGISLATURE DOES.

>> THE GOVERNOR WOULDN'T SIGN THAT ANYWAY.

>> Ted: I'M SHOCKED BY SAYING THE LEGISLATURE SHOULDN'T DO SOMETHING -- BAN SOMETHING WE DON'T ORDINARY DO.

THAT HAPPENS ALL OF THE TIME.

>> YOU GET THE WORD OUT AND LAYING THE GROUNDWORK OF THAT PUBLIC RELEASES CAMPAIGN IF IT IS ON THE BALLOT.

>> Ted: ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS IS THAT IT DOES ALLOW MARGINAL CANDIDATES TO WIN BECAUSE IF THERE'S A SLEW OF FOLKS, YOU GET A SLIVER AND THERE YOU ARE.

>> FROM SUPPORTS OF RANKED CHOICE VOTING, THERE'S SO MUCH IN FIGHTING AND IT'S EXHAUSTING TO VOTERS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO ESCAPE IT IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM, IT'S A DEMOCRAT VERSUS IS REPUBLICAN AND THEY WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO HAVE A CHANCE AND MAYBE EVEN AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE OR LIBERTARIAN AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE THROWING THEIR VOTE AWAY.

THEIR SECOND CHOICE FEEDS INTO THEIR NEXT CANDIDATE.

>> Ted: GREAT CONVERSATION AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.