>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORY, INCLUDING FALLOUT OF THE BIZARRE LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON ELECTION INTEGRITY.

THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> Announcer: THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS, MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

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>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US FOR A LOCKLOOK AT THE TOP STORIES, MARK BRODIE AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ AND BOB CHRISTIE.

MARK, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK AND HAD HADN'T HAD MUCH REACTION ABOUT THIS ELECTION INTEGRITY AND GOT SOME RESPONSE AND FALLOUT THIS WEEK.

GO FOR IT.

[ Laughter ] >> THAT'S PRETTY BROAD.

YEAH, THERE WAS SOME OUTTHEREOUT THERE SPARE THEORIES, BEING BRIBED INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR AND ALSO SOME NEWER PEOPLE, INCLUDING G.O.P LEADERS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AND SO PRETTY QUICKLY THEREAFTER, YOU SAW THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS NOT OK, WE CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU SAW WENDY ROGERS, THE CHAIR, COME OUT AND SAY THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS AND SHE DISMISS WHAT WAS BEING SAID.

YOU SAW REPRESENTATIVE LIZ HARRIS WHO INVITED THIS PARTICULAR SPEAKER ESSENTIALLY SAY THE SAME THING.

IT WAS A RACE, WALKING BACKWARDS TYPE RACE TO SEE WHO COULD MOVE AWAY THE FASTEST.

>> Ted: BUT IT DID TANG TAKE A FEW DAYS.

ALMOST LIKE, HEY, WAIT, WHAT'S GOING ON AS OPPOSED TO SAY KNOCK IT OFF?

>> THE LEADERSHIP SAID, THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND THEN ROGERS AND THEN LIZ HARRIS COMING IN WITH A SHORT STATEMENT THAT DIDN'T WALK IT ALL BACK.

SO I ASSUME THERE WAS CONVERSATIONS GOING ON BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT PEOPLE WERE FRUSTRATED AND I ASKED SENATOR ROGERS AND DECLINED TO COMMENT AND SENATE BENNET SAID THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND SAID ANYONE CAN INVESTIGATE ME BECAUSE NO, WE HAVEN'T BEEN TAKING BRIBES FROM THE MEXICAN CARTELS.

IT WAS ODD THAT THEY WERE NAMED AS TAKING BRIBES.

>> Ted: WE'VE HAD REPUBLICAN LEADERS HERE AND I ASKED THEM AND NOT SURE I GOT THE BEST OF RESPONSES.

AREN'T THESE PEOPLE VETTED ANY BETTER THAN THIS?

>> THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND ACCORDING TO THE SPEAKER AND SENATE PRESIDENT, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AND AS THIS UNRAVELED AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAID, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO VET IT AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT SAID, WELL, Mr. BORELLI WAS SUPPOSED TO GET IT AND HE WAS A MAJORITY LEADER.

THE REAL QUESTION, WHY DID THEY LET THIS SCOTTSDALE REALFOR UNRAVEL COMPLETELY UNRAVELED SPARECYRAVELCONSPIRACY THEORIES AND THEY WERE SAYING IT'S MISS HARRIS' JOB TO VET THIS.

AND THROWING HER UNDER THE BUS.

AND A LETTER-WRITING CAMPAIGN AND SAYING DON'T REMOVE HER FROM THE POST, SHE'S A CHAMPION AND CIRCLING THE WAGONS AROUND HER, THE CONSPIRACY CROWD.

>> IT'S INTERESTING WHO LEAVES IN THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY, AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW ROGERS AND HARRIS AND SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE GAGGED OR BEING BOUGHT OFF AND THEY REVEALED SOMETHING AND FORCED TO TAKE IT BACK AND NOW IT'S THE TRUTH.

I GOT AN EMAIL NOT FROM FORMER REPRESENTATIVE FINCHEM SAYING IT'S NOT TRUE BUT COULD BE TRUE AND TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

>> Ted: , AGAIN,AGAIN, HOW DO YOU KEEP SOMETHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN?

>> WELL, I MEAN, IT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED -- NOT TO THIS EXTENT UP UNTIL NOW.

TO BOB'S POINT, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A HEARING LIKE THIS, THE SPEAKERS AND YOU KNOW WHO THE SPEAKERS ARE GOING TO BE, LIKE PEOPLE SIGNED IN TO TESTIFY FOR A BILL BUT PEOPLE WHO WERE ASKED TO SPEAK, BUT A DECENT SENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY.

AND AFTER THIS SPEAKER FINISHED, SENATOR ROGERS REFERRED TO HER AS BRAVE, A DAY OR SO BEFORE THIS WASN'T THE RIGHT PLACE.

>> AFTER SHE WAS ACCUSED OF COMMITTING A CRIME.

>> THIS ISN'T NEW.

WE'VE HAD THIS SINCE THE CYBERNINJAS AND ALL THE HEARINGS LAST YEAR IN FRONT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND THE HEARINGS ABOUT YUMA COUNTY AND ALL OF THAT WAS RELATIVELY WITHOUT ANY FACTUAL BACKGROUND AND ALLEGATIONS.

THIS, I THINK, THE ALLEGATIONS WERE SO FAR OUT THERE THAT EVEN THOSE WHO BELIEVE THERE WAS PROBABLY A PROBLEM WITH THE ELECTIONS WERE TAKEN ABACK.

>> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND AND BOB REFERRED TO THE EMAIL CAMPAIGN, DON'T TOUCH THIS OR THAT, WILL THERE BE ANY REPUR ANYREPERCUSSIONS?

>> CERTAINLY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SEE AN ETHIC'S CAMPAIGN COMPLAINT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW REASONABLE AND ONLY ONE VOTE AND HARRIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR THE REPUBLICANS AND THE HOUSE ALL YEAR.

BUT THEY NEED TO KEEP THEIR MAJORITIES AND WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SWITCH BETWEEN BILLS AND WE'RE JUST RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SESSION.

I DON'T KNOW IF AND WHEN ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN.

>> Ted: ANY REPERCUSSIONS, DO YOU ANY?

>> I THINK CAMRYN IS RIGHT ON.

ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE RAZOR-THIN MAJORITY AND SOME ARE SPECULATING WHY.

YOU HAD TO PLACATE TO KEEP THEM VOTING FOR REPUBLICAN BILLS.

>> THE BACK-STORY, SUPPOSEDLY IS REPRESENTATIVE HARRIS WAS GIVEN TO PRESENT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED HER VOTE ON THE BUDGET AND REFUSED TO VOTE ON THE SKINNY BUDGET THE GOVERNOR VETOED.

I DON'T SEE ANY REAL REPERCUSSIONS AND THERE HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

SENATOR ROGERS WAS CENSURED AND NOTHING HAPPENED.

>> Ted: DOES IT MAKE IT SOUND AS IF EVERYONE THINKS OF THIS AS NONSENSE, THAT IT'S NOT ALL THAT SERIOUS BECAUSE IT'S SO RIDICULOUS?

>> YOU WOULD HOPE THE LEADERSHIP HAS THAT TACK.

I KNOW Mr. TOMA HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE SOMEWHAT OF THE COUNTY AND OF THE ELECTION PROCESSES IN THE STATE.

IT'S NOWHERE NEAR AS VOCAL IN THE ATTACKS ON THE ELECTION PROCESSES IN THE STATE.

THEY'RE ALLOWING ELECTION PROCESSES TO RUN THROUGH AND NOT STOPPING IT BECAUSE A PORTION OF THE MEMBERSHIP WANTS THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

AND THEY NEED ALL 31.

>> Ted: THEY TO, INDEED, AND DEMOCRATS, CAMRYN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY JUST TO HAVE THE BILLS VOTED ON.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS NEW RULE, AND REPUBLICANS SAY THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR FOREVER.

>> SHOPE SAYS THIS HAS BEEN AROUND AND NOT A BIG DEAL.

THE HOUSE DEMOCRATS WERE UPSET BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SAY IS A NEW RULE, WHERE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY.

THE MAJORITY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN FAVOR OF ALL BILLS, ALL DEMOCRAT BILLS IN ADDITION TO DEMOCRATS, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SIGNATURES OF THE 16 REPUBLICANS OR MORE TO GET THE BILL TO COME TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE AND SO THAT'S AN EXTRA HURDLE OR TWO HURDLES DEPENDING HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

IN PROTEST, THEY WERE VOTING NO ON EVERYTHING, EVEN IF THEY AGREE TO SAY THIS WAS A RIDICULOUS POLICY AND, OF COURSE, REPUBLICANS IN RESPONSE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY REPUBLICANS, YOU KNOW, ARE GREAT AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD DO THIS.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD DO THAT.

IN THE SENATE, I ASKED IF WE WOULD MAKE THE SAME RULE AND I WAS TOLD BY SHOPE IT IS POLY POLICY.

SENATOR EPSTEIN SAID IT'S RIDICULOUS, BUT THEN WHEN I ASKED IF THEY WOULD DO THE BOYCOTT THING, I NEVER GOT A RESPONSE.

>> Ted: WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A SUPER MAJORITY.

DEMOCRATS NEED A SUPER MAJORITY TO GET A VOTE?

>> YES.

AS SHE SAID, AN UNWRITTEN RULE THAT YOU NEED A MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY AND MY UNDERSTANDING ON A FEW CONVERSATION WHAT'S NEW IS THE SIGNATURE COMPONENT WHERE DEMOCRATS HAVE TO GO HAT IN HAND OR GREEN SHEET IN HAND WITH A PEN TO GET ACTUAL SIGNATURES FROM REPUBLICANS WHO ARE SAYING, YES, I PROMISE TO VOTE FOR THIS AND WHAT I'M HEARING THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, YES, I'LL BE YOUR 16th, AND IF YOU HAVE TEN OR, I WON'T DO IT.

>> Ted: WE HAVE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP VAUGHAN SAYING WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS.

>> THERE HAS BEEN IN THE SENATE FOR A DECADE, ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN THERE, THIS UNWRITTEN RULE, YOU NEED THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY BEFORE YOU'LL HEAR A DEMOCRATIC PROPOSAL AND THERE'S A WAY AROUND THAT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE 16 VOTES, YOU CAN PUT A BILL UP ON THE BOARD AS WE SAW LAST YEAR WITH THE DREAMERS' REFERRAL AND MEDICAID EXPANSION AND A FEW OTHER TIMES.

THE HOUSE THIS YEAR FORMALIZED THAT AND GETTING THE SIGNATURES PART AND NOBODY WANTS THEIR NAME TO BE CIRCULATED IN THE CHAMBER AND HAVE ALL OF THE OTHER REPUBLICANS SEEING THEIR NAME THERE.

SECONDLY, THEY CHANGED THE RULES THIS YEAR TO SAY, YOU CAN'T PUT A BILL UP ON THE BOARD UNLESS THE SPEAKER AGREES.

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> THEY'VE CUT THEM OFF AT THE LEGS AND IF THEY HAD FOUR LEGS, THEY WOULD ALL BE CUT OFF.

>> Ted: S >> Ted: HOW LONG DOES THE PROTEST LAST?

>> I'M NOT SURE.

REPRESENTATIVE SHAW WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE HE'S A MODERATE, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY.

I HEAR THEY'VE BEEN TALKING, GET BEHIND US AND WE NEED TO BE UNITED IN THIS.

THE RULE MAKES A DIFFERENCE THIS YEAR WHEN WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATS HYPOTHETICALLY HAVE MORE POWER IN THE PROCESS AND SAYING, NO, LIKE IF THE SENATE, YOU NEED 16 VOTES FOR A REPUBLICAN BILL AND 23 FOR A REPUBLICAN BILL.

>> Ted: THE OPT TICKSICS, WHAT DO YOU MAKE?

>> IT'S GONE THROUGH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND COMMITTEE AND GONEGONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND THE FINAL VOTE OUT OF CHAMBER THAT ALL OF THE A SUDDEN, YOU'RE NEEDING MUCH MORE SUPPORT AND IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THE REPUBLICAN THAT CHAIRS THE COMMITTEES AND THE SPEAKER AND G.O.P LEADERSHIP ARE LETTING IT GET TO A POINT AND NOT BEYOND THAT POINT.

>> THE REAL DRIVER BEHIND THIS, I BELIEVE, IS A DEMOCRAT IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE, TRYING TO STAND STRONG AGAINST THE GOVERNOR AS THEY JUST GO INTO BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS FINALLY, START TALKING TO EACH OTHER A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BUDGET, HALFWAY THROUGH THE SESSION AND HAVEN'T HAD THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS ON WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S PACKAGE WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER THE REPUBLICANS GET THROUGH.

SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, THE REPUBLICANS WILL HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT.

AND THEY'RE NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS OF MAKING THAT MOVE YET.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR FROM REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS.

LET'S TALK BUDGET.

>> IN A BACK-HANDED WAY, YES, SO I THINK I CALLED IN THELATE IN THEIN THE LATESTIN THE SERIES OF JABS.

THIS IS PROGRESS WHERE IN MARCH, WE NEED TO SETTLE A BUDGET AND WE HAVE A DEADLINE IN THE SUMMER BY WHICH WE HAVE TO HAVE GOTTEN A BUDGET THROUGH SO THAT THE BUDGET DOESN'T SHUT DOWN AND THAT'S THE GOAL.

HOWEVER, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FRUSTRATION BETWEEN REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP AND DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP AND THE GOVERNOR AND NOW, OF COURSE, REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TOMA AND PETERSEN SENT A LETTER TO HOBBS AND THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT THE FUND YOU SAY WOULD BE USED TO GET DEMOCRATS ELECTED INTO THE LEGISLATURE.

AND THIS SEEMS INSULTING.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE BIG ABOUT IT AND INVITE YOU TO TALK TO US.

>> Ted: BUT MARK, THE VERBIAGE, WE BELIEVE WE CAN ACHIEVE MOST OF OUR PRIORITIES AND INCLUDE YOURS THAT ARE REASONABLE.

>> YEAH, I MEAN -- >> Ted: SOUNDS LIKE A SALES PITCH.

>> WE'LL GET WHAT WE WANT AND THROW YOU WHAT YOU WANT IF WE'RE OK WITH IT.

HOW MUCH IS TRYING TO GET TO THE MEAT OF WHAT COULD BE IN A BUDGET AND HOW MUCH IS JUST POLITICAL OPTICS?

>> Ted: AS WE'VE TALKED BEFORE ON THIS PROGRAM, YOU MENTIONED LEGISLATURE WILL HAVE TO BEND AND THE GOVERNOR WILL HAVE TO REALIZE THAT SHE NEEDS REPUBLICAN VOTES SOMEWHERE, SOME WAY, SOMEHOW.

>> YOU CAN BEND OR PEEL OFF ONE OR TWO.

IN THIS LEGISLATURE, WHO IS GETTABLE IS QUESTIONABLE.

IT'S A NEW LEGISLATION.

IT'S MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE, IF YOU CAN SAY THAT THAN PREVIOUS YEARS.

SO WHO IS GETTABLE FOR THE GOVERNOR AND HOW REASONABLE ARE Mr. TOMA AND Mr. PETERSEN AND THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED.

AND IT'S REALLY UP IN THE AIR AS TO HOW WE GET THERE AND WE HAVE A JULY 1st DEADLINE AS THE SENATE.THEY TRIED TO GET A BASELINE BUDGET THROUGH AND NEUTER ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE GOVERNOR TO GET ANYTHING OUT.

IT'S A NONSTARTER.

>> Ted: WHAT'S THIS RESOLUTION REPUBLICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT?

IF THERE IS NO BUDGET, WE FALL BACK TO THE PREVIOUS YEARS.

>> THERE IS A VOTER REFERRAL WHICH PASSED THE SENATE THIS WEEK PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT IN TWO YEARS AND ALLOW VOTERS TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO SAY IF THERE'S NOT A BUDGET BY JULY 1st, THE OLD BUDGET CONTINUES.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER FEINT OF THE GOVERNOR AND AT LEAST SHE HAS TWO EARS IN NEGOTIATION AND I DON'T THINK THE VOTERS WOULD GO ALONG.

>> THE INTERESTING THING, WHO MIGHT BE GETTABLE, WITH THE RULES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF NEEDING A MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY, AT LEAST IN THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T NEED TWO REPUBLICANS BUT 16 REPUBLICANS TO BE ON THE BUDGET.

>> ALTHOUGH, IT TAKES 16 VOTES TO CHANGE THE RULES AGAIN, AND ALL OF THIS IS -- OR 31 IN THE HOUSE.

>> Ted: THE SPEAKER IS HAPPY ABOUT IT, TOO.

CAMRYN, SENATE BILL 1299, CALLING TO WHO DONATED HOW MUCH AND WHEN AND WHY?

>> I JUST HAVE A FEELING THIS WAS ALSO INSPIRED BY GOVERNOR HOBBS.

THIS IS A BILL FROM, I BELIEVE, SENATOR ROGERS AND REQUIRE THE GOVERNOR IN 15 DAYS TO DISCLOSE WHO DONATE AND WHAT SERVICES.

AND THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE FOR ALL OF US THIS YEAR BECAUSE GOVERNOR HOBBS WASN'T TELLING US ANYTHING ABOUT HER GOVERNOR'S FUND AND IN LITTLE BITS AND PIECES FIND OUT WHO GAVE HOW MUCH AND WHERE IT WAS GOING AND TOOK A LONG TIME.

THIS WAS ELIMINATE THAT IN THE FUTURE.

>> Ted: THIS GOT GOOD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

>> IT DID.

THEY SAID WE DON'T LIKE YOU'RE GOING AFTER HOBBS AND WE LIKE TRANSPARENCY SO, FINE.

>> IT DOESN'T SAY ANY LEFTOVER MONEY HAS TO GO TO THE PROTOCOL FUND, AND THE GOVERNOR HAS 1.2 OR $1.3 MILLION FROM OUR INAUGURALINAUGURATION AND THAT SHE HAS COMMITTED TO FLIPPING THE LEGISLATION, WHICH DOUG DUCEY SPENT MILLIONS TO MAINTAIN AND IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT GOVERNOR HOBBS WASN'TS AND TRYING TO GET IT.

>> Ted: AND LAURIE ROBERTS, SHE POINTED OUT, THAT'S NICE, WE GOT TRANSPARENCY FROM THE GOVERNOR AND HOW ABOUT TRANSPARENCY FROM YOU AT THE LEGISLATURE AS FAR AS EMAILS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS ALL OF A SUDDEN STRAPPED?

>> IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING AND WE TALKED ABOUT OPTICS EARLIER AND THIS IS INTERESTING THAT THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THAT PUBLIC RECORD'S RULES AND DESTROYING DOCUMENTS MUCH SOONER THAN PREVIOUSLY SO IT'S AN INTERESTING LOOK.

>> Ted: WE DON'T EXPECT THAT ANY TIME SOON.

>> I'VE BEEN HITTING A BRICK WALL IN THE SENATE.

I EVEN REQUESTED THE COMMUNICATIONS UP TO THE RULE CHANGE REGARDING IT AND SAID DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN MEMBERS AND STAFF ON CREATING THE RULE CHANGE AND I WAS TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T RESPOND AND ALSO THAT THE ONE EMAIL THAT WAS RELEVANT IS PRIVILEGED.

SO GREAT AND I'M NOT GETTING ANYTHING.

>> Ted: WON'T GET ANY TEXT MESSAGES BECAUSE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY DELETED.

BEFORE WE GO, COCHISE COUNTY, BOB, HOLY SMOKES, THINGS ARE HAPPENING DOWN THERE!

>> YEAH, IN THE MILL OF MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION, IT SUCKED THE LIFE OUT OF MY DAY, MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN, TRIED TO HAND COUNT THE BALLOTS LAST YEAR, COURTS STOPPED THEM AND THE HOLDOUT WAS THE ELECTION DIRECTOR, AN INDEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENTLY APPOINTED, REFUSED TO DO IT AND RERESIGNED AND DAVID STEVEN, REFUSED IS NOW THE ELECTION DIRECTOR AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN REGARDLESS OF WHAT Mr. STEVENS SAYS THIS IS ON THE UP AND UP, IT MIGHT NOT BE.

>> Ted: WAIT A MINUTE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DELEGATE, BUT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THIS IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, A, AND B, IT SOUNDS AS IF THE OPEN MEETINGS' LAWS WERE IN QUESTION.

>> THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID YOU CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN IN SECRET, AND THAT'S ILLEGAL AND IF YOU DID, PLEASE TELL US HOW YOU DIDN'T AND TELL US HOW YOU'RE ABLE TO DELEGATE TO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

THERE'S SERIOUS CONCERNS AND WHETHER THE COURTS MIGHT INTERVENE AND MISS MAYES MIGHT SUE.

>> Ted: THIS MIGHT BE A MICROCOSM IF THIS ELECTION DENIALISM CONTINUES.

>> A SENSE THAT THIS IS A LABORATORY SETTING FOR DOING HAND COUNTS AND NOT USING MACHINES AND OTHER STUFF THAT DAVID STEVENS MIGHT WANT TO DO DOWN THERE.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER SCALE THAN MARICOPA COUNTY.

THEPEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND PEOPLE GET TIRED AND PEOPLE TAKE A LONG TIME.

THERE'S CONCERN THERE COULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, AT LEAST IN 2024 IN COCHISE.

>> Ted: DOES THIS AFFECT THE BILLS AROUND THE CAPITOL?

>> THE BILLS IN THE CAPITOL HAVE BEEN DOING WELL, AND I ASSUME THEY'LL BE DEAD ON HOBBS' DEAD UNLESS THEY HAVE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

>> Ted: WILL THEY GET THERE?

>> I DON'T HAVE A BOYER THIS YEAR AND THEN HE CHANGED HIS MIND.

IN THE SENATE, AT LEAST, I SEE IT GOING FORWARD.

STEVENS IS INTERESTING AND LETTING HIM ABSORB IS A BIG SHIFT IN POLICY AND DIFFERENT FROM WHEN MARR WAS IN CHARGE AND STEVENS IS A FRIEND OF FINCHEM AND DOESN'T BELIEVE THE ELECTIONS ARE LEGITIMATE.

>> Ted: WE'LL STOP IT THERE AND GREAT DISCUSSION.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

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