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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING MORE TROUBLING ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE MARK LAMB.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND JOINING US TONIGHT, HOWIE FISCHER FROM CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES.

CAMRYN SANCHEZ FROM KJZZ RADIO, AND JIM SMALL OF THE "ARIZONA MIRROR."

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HOWIE, START WITH YOU.

HOLY SMOKES.

THIS LAMB CANDIDACY IN WHAT WAS ONCE A SOLID LOCKDOWN REPUBLICAN, GIVE IT TO LAMB AND WALK AWAY DISTRICT, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> POLITICS HAVE YET TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING OUT ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB, IT NEVER GOES AWAY.

I MEAN, WE GOT INTO ALL THE QUESTIONS BEFORE WHETHER HE AND HIS WIFE WERE SWINGERS AND WHETHER THEY WERE NOT EXACTLY ACTING IN A, QUOTE, CHRISTIAN FASHION, WHICH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE HOW HE PORTRAYS HIMSELF, AND NOW WE FIND OUT THERE WERE TEXT MESSAGES, SEXTING, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO WANTS TO SEE WHAT BODY PART.

HE HAS REFUSED TO ADDRESS IT.

BASICALLY IF HE IGNORES IT, IT WILL GO AWAY, SOME REPUBLICANS, AND WE'VE SEEN IT IN TERMS OF PEOPLE LIKE DAVID SCHWEIKERT, THIS IS NOT A GOOD LOOK, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THE SEAT IN A HEAVILY REPUBLICAN DISTRICT UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES.

>> THAT WAS THE LATEST REPORT WHERE THE N-WORD WAS USED THERE.

HOMOPHOBIC, MISOGYNISTIC SLURS WERE USED HERE.

IT NEVER STOPS.

>> IT IS NOT JUST HIM SAYING THAT WORD, BUT HE'S IN THE CONVERSATIONS LAUGHING ALONG WITH IT.

THAT PERSON IS THIS OR THAT OR WHATEVER, AND HE'S LIKE HA-HA, AND NOT PUSH BACK ON IT OR AVOID IT IN ANY WAY, AND AS HOWIE NOTED, THIS IS THE LATEST IN A SERIES OF RATHER INTENSE STORIES FROM THE "ARIZONA REPUBLIC"'S TEAM COMING OUT ABOUT LAMB, ONE AFTER THE OTHER AFTER THE OTHER, AND RESPONSE IS SILENCED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A PATH SINCE THIS IS A REALLY RED DISTRICT AND HE HAS TRUMP'D ENDORSEMENT.

TED: HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT DO YOU THINK IT WILL HAVE?

>> EMBARRASSING TO BE SURE.

IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

I AGREE WITH CAMRYN, HE'S A FRONT-RUNNER, HE HAS ALL THE ADVANTAGES ON PAPER UP UNTIL THE LAST TEN DAYS, THAT SEEM TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT I THINK, FOR HIM TO LOSE, FRANKLY.

HE'S A KNOWN NAME, VENIN REPUBLICAN CIRCLE, ESPECIALLY IN REPUBLICAN CIRCLES IN THAT DISTRICT, AND HAS A REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER IN THE PRIMARY.

IT'S A CONSTRUCTION FIRM EXECUTIVE, BUT IT'S A POLITICAL NEWCOMER, NOT SOMEONE ANYONE HAS HEARD OF.

LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MONEY, BUT IS ANYTHING GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, IS ANYTHING MAJOR GOING TO HAPPEN TO KNOCK OVER THE APPLECART ON THIS?

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN INDICATION OF ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS NOT THAT PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIS REPUBLICAN FOE, OR THE DEMOCRAT, THEY MAY SKIP THE RACE.

WE SAW THIS WITH KARI LAKE, WITH MARK FINCHEM, I CAN'T HOLD MY NOSE AND VOTE FOR MY PARTY'S CANDIDATE, AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY I DON'T THINK SO.

IF THE DEMOCRATS DO A GOOD GOTV, THEY CAN TAKE A POPULAR SEAT.

WE'VE SEEN SEATS FLIPPED OVER THINGS LIKE THAT.

REMEMBER RUSSELL PEARCE AND SAFE DISTRICT IN MESA.

WELL, PEOPLE DECIDED, WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE.

TED: I WONDER ABOUT DANIEL KEENAN, WE HAD HIM IN FOR "CANDIDATES IN CONVERSATION," AND HE SOUNDS READY MADE FOR THAT DISTRICT, BUT AGAIN, HE'S NOT -- HE DOESN'T HAVE THE NAME I.D., THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT.

HE DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE TEXT MESSAGES EITHER.

>> I'M SUPER SKEPTICAL ABOUT IT.

IF I HAD TO GUESS, I WOULD SAY MARK LAMB IS NOT ONLY WINNER OF THE PRIMARY, BUT THE WINNER OF THE WHOLE DANG THING.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE SKATE THROUGH SEX SCANDALS SEEMINGLY FINE, AND WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO IT.

>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER SHOES THERE ARE TO DROP.

WHEN YOU HAVE TWO REPORTERS FROM THE REPUBLIC WHO ARE DOING NOTHING BUT THE MARK LAMB BEAT, YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE'LL WAKE UP THIS MONDAY, NEXT MONDAY, AND SOMETHING ELSE WILL POP UP, AND FOR US TO MAKE A PREDICTION BASED ON THINGS, THE UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS IS PROBLEMATIC.

TED: AND THE FACT THAT THERE IS A MARK LAMB BEAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CAMPAIGN.

THE COUNTY RECORDER AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, A LITTLE BACK AND FORTH HERE BUT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY RECORDER HAS DONE WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

>> THIS WHOLE BEEF IS WHEN COUNTY RECORDER JUSTIN HEAP ANNOUNCED A COUPLE OF HUNDRED SUPPOSED NONCITIZEN VOTERS THEY IDENTIFIED USING THE U.S.

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY'S VERIFICATION SYSTEM, AND THAT MADE THE MONUMENT WE FOUND ALL THE VOTERS AND WE'RE GOING TO TURN THEM OVER FOR PROSECUTION, AND THE LAW SAYS THERE'S A PROCEDURE FOR HOW YOU DO THAT.

YOU HAVE TO SEND THAT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, AND KIND OF CHECK ALL THE BOXES AND DO WHAT THE LAW SAYS.

HE WAS DOING -- HE WASN'T, AND SO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE STEPPED IN AND SENT NASTY LETTER AND SAID, HEY, YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS RIGHT.

FOLLOW THE LAW BECAUSE YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW.

AND WE MIGHT MAKE SOMETHING OF IT, WE'LL SEE.

THEY HAD BACK AND FORTH AND SEEMS AS THOUGH HIS OFFICE COMPLIED AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT KRIS MAYES SAID.

TED: HAND OVER THE NAMES, SO HAND THEM OVER.

>> OF COURSE, THIS IS JUSTIN HEAP INTERPRETING THE LAW AS WE'VE SEEN FOR THE FIGHT FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE HERE ILLEGALLY, I MOVED THEM TO THE NOT ELIGIBLE CATEGORY, THEREFORE I WASN'T DECLARING TOME TO BE ILLEGAL, AND AS JIM POINTS OUT, KRIS MAYES SAID YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FOOL US, JEDI MIND TRICKS WON'T WORK HERE.

THIS IS PART OF THE WHOLE FIGHT THAT JUSTIN HEAP DECIDED I'M THE RECORDER, I HAVE SOME POWERFUL ATTORNEYS BEHIND ME, AND I'M GOING TO FIGHT EVERY LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY AUTHORITY.

TED: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

WE'VE GOT ELECTION COMING UP RELATIVELY QUICKLY HERE, CERTAINLY PRIMARIES, AND WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF IT HERE, AND GOT THIS KIND OF BUSINESS GOING ON AGAIN WITH COUNTY ELECTIONS.

BIG PICTURE HERE, WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> I'M REALLY NERVOUS.

HEAP CANNOT SEEM TO AGREE WITH ANYTHING ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOW THE ISSUE WITH MAYES.

HIS OFFICE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ELECTION AS WE'VE SEEN IN YEARS PRIOR, I'M HEARING MORE AND MORE CONCERN FROM ELECTION OFFICIALS FROM MARICOPA COUNTY ABOUT HOW THE SELECTION GOING PLAY OUT, GIVEN WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE 11th HOUR HERE.

AND THIS ISSUE IS ONE OF MANY, MANY ISSUES AND, YOU KNOW, HIM CHOOSING TO HAND OVER NAMES BUT NOT INITIALLY AND THEN GIVING SOME STUFF TO THE MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH IS RUN BY A REPUBLICAN, BUT NOT THE SAME STUFF AT THE SAME TIME TO THE ARIZONA ATTORNEY GENERAL WHO IS A DEMOCRAT.

IT JUST RAISES A LOT OF QUESTION WHAT HE HAS AND DOING WITH HIS OFFICE THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT.

>> AND THE TIMING, THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, EARLY VOTING BEGINS.

THAT GETS INTO THE ISSUE WHO CONTROLS THE DROP BOXES, CONTROLS THE BALLOTS AT THE DROP BOXES.

WILL POLICE ARREST PEOPLE WHO PICK UP THE BALLOTS FROM THE DROP BOXES, BASED ON WHETHER THE SUPERVISORS CONTROL THAT OR THE RECORDER.

I'M IN CAMRYN'S CAMP, I THINK IF YOU THOUGHT THE 2020 WAS UGLY, THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY BAD.

TED: 137 NONCITIZENS REGISTERED TO VOTE.

HE IT 60 OF THESE PEOPLE, 60 NAMES THAT PREVIOUSLY CAST A BALLOT, AND YET HE WOULD NOT -- AS CAMRYN MENTIONED, REPUBLICAN COUNTY ATTORNEY OKAY, ATTORNEY GENERAL A DEMOCRAT, IS THAT THE ONLY REASON HE DIDN'T HAND OVER THE 60 NAMES?

>> MAYBE, RIGHT?

IT SURE SEEMS LIKE IT.

ON ITS FACE, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A HUGE, A PARTISAN MOTIVATION IN THAT ACT ITSELF.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AT A LOT OF THIS, THERE IS PARTISANSHIP, THE ANIMATING FACTOR GOING ON WITH A LOT OF THIS, AND IT'S COMING FROM THE MAGA WORLD AND ALL OF THE BIG LIE AND THE ELECTION FRAUD AND ALL OF THAT IS THE UNDERCURRENT FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF THAT IS -- THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK REALLY IS AT ROOT OF THE FIGHT BETWEEN JUSTIN HEAP AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AND NOW THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND JUSTIN HEAP.

TED: DO YOU AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE HERE, DARK CLOUDS ARE BREWING AS FAR AS THIS ELECTION SEASON IS CONCERNED?

>> IT'S OMINOUS.

I THINK IT'S CONCERNING.

THIS IS A STATE WHERE 60%, 65% OF THE VOTERS LIVE IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THERE WERE SMALL, MINOR DISRUPTIONS IN THE 2022 ELECTION, WHEN THEY HAD PRINTER PROBLEMS.

A COUPLE OF DOZEN SITES.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH FEARS ABOUT WHAT THIS SELECTION GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE GROUND AND PRACTICALLY IN MARICOPA COUNTY IN A PRIMARY WHERE TURNOUT IS MAYBE HIGHER THAN NORMAL BUT STILL FAIRLY LOW AHEAD OF A GENERAL ELECTION, WHERE WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

TED: HOWIE, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE WOULD BE A LONG LINE AND PEOPLE WERE UPSET ABOUT THIS.

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITHOUT ALL SORTS OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES RUNNING AROUND, HOVERING OVER EVERYONE'S HEAD?

>> THAT'S THE POINT.

IF CERTAIN POLLING PLACES DON'T OPEN ON TIME, DON'T HAVE PRINTING PAPER, WHETHER AGAIN, THE EARLY BALLOTS DO.

THEY GO OUT ON TIME?

THIS GETS INTO THE WHOLE ISSUE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO TELL THE U.S.

POST OFFICE, YOU CAN ONLY DELIVER EARLY BALLOTS TO THE LIST WE HAVE.

THIS IS A RECIPE FOR STAFFER, AND MEANS WHOEVER WINS OR BETTER YET WHOEVER LOSES IN JULY IS GOING TO FILE SUIT, AND POSSIBLY WHOEVER LOSES IN NOVEMBER IS GOING TO FILE SUIT AND SAY THERE WERE IRREGULARITIES, AND FOR ALL THE TALK, WE NEED TRUMP OUTCOME ON ELECTIONS, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

TED: GOOD LUCK GETTING THE RESULTS IN FAST AND FURIOUS NOW, HUH?

>> I'M ONE OF THE SCARED PEOPLE JIM REFERRED TO.

I'M IMAGINING EVERYTHING THAT COULD GO WRONG AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A RECORDER NOT IN LOCKSTEP WITH THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND SO CLOSE TO THE ELECTION STARTING.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INCIDENTS THAT COULD BE CHAOTIC, AND A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

HE SAID 137 VOTERS AND TURNED OVER 200 NAMES AND WOULDN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE MEDIA WHO THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE, AND I BELIEVE THAT HEAP IS GOING OFF OF THE SAVE DATABASE FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY WHO FLAGGED PEOPLE WHO ARE CITIZENS AS NONCITIZENS BECAUSE OF OTHER ISSUES.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOMEBODY FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE PEOPLE AND CHECK THEIR STATUTES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO SAY HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE THAT IS.

AND MY HEAD IS GOING TO EXPLODE.

TED: BEFORE THAT, GET A BUDGET UPDATE, THERE'S A LOT OF KUMBAYA, CAMRYN, START WITH YOU TO START, EVERYTHING IS FRIENDLY AND HAPPY AND PEPPY?

>> THEY ALWAYS ARE IN THE LEGISLATURE.

THEY'RE DOING WHAT IS STATUS QUO, THEY'RE HAVING THE CLOSED-DOOR MEETINGS WITH HIGH MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNOR'S TEAM AND THE LEGISLATIVE LEADERSHIP TO COME TOGETHER ON A BIPARTISAN BUDGET AFTER SHE VETOED THEIR VERSION OF THE BUDGET.

WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.

WE'VE HEARD TALK, I HAVE, THAT THE BUDGET COULD HAPPEN NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER AND SINE DIE TO FINISH THEIR CAMPAIGNS AND GET OUT OF THE WORK.

>> AND THEY'RE MAKING NICE TO EACH OTHER.

LOOK, I CAUGHT UP WITH THE GOVERNOR EARLIER THIS WEEK.

THIS IS A GOVERNOR WHO IS NOT AS MUCH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE SHE CAN DO BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE TAXES, TRYING TO DO THIS, DO THAT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS KNEW WE'D HAVE TO COMPROMISE, FROM A WOMAN WHO CAME UP WITH 800 MILLION IN FAKE REVENUES, AND IT'S A DIFFICULT YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT DOWN.

LOOK, CERTAINLY THINGS HAVE BEEN DECIDED.

NOT GETTING EXTRA REVENUES, NOT THE 760 MILLION SHE THINKS IS COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT THE MONEY FOR VOUCHERS AND NOT THE MONEY FROM TAXES ON GAMING.

THEY RECOGNIZE, WE'RE GOING TO CUT STATE AGENCIES 5% ACROSS THE BOARD.

IT WILL BE YOUR PROBLEM, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

NOW WE'RE INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY, SOME OF IT IS TINY STUFF, PIECES OF BACON, PIECES OF PORK IN THE BUDGET, AND SOME OF IT IS BIGGER STUFF LIKE THE EXTENSION OF PROP 123 AND PUTTING 300 MILLION A YEAR INTO THE SCHOOLS FROM THE STATE TRUST.

TED: ARE THESE THINGS, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN AROUND AND SEEN THESE HAPPEN BEFORE.

LOTS OF YELLING AND SCREAMING AND SHOUTING AND PRESS CONFERENCES AND WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, THE NITTY-GRITTY, SOFTENNED OVER AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE WALL WE'RE OKAY WITH.

>> CALLED POLITICAL THEATER FOR A REASON, TED.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING FROM THE BEGINNING OF SESSION WHEN REPUBLICANS KEPT SENDING UP THE TAX CONFORMITY BILL AND THE GOVERNOR KEPT VETOING IT.

THEY'RE BOTH GOING TO HAVE TO COMPROMISE, BUT IN ORDER TO COMPROMISE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK INTO THE NEGOTIATION AND SAY HERE'S WHAT I'M READY TO GIVE UP.

EVERYBODY LAYS DOWN THEIR MARKER, I WANT THIS, DEMAND THIS, AND STAND OFF AND DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER FOR SIX WEEKS OR SIX MONTHS AND EVERYONE REALIZES THEY HAVE TO GET SOMETHING DONE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW.

I THINK MORE OR LESS, THE BUDGET IS GOING TO LOOK CLOSER TO WHAT THE REPUBLICANS SET UP AND VETOED THAN WHAT THE GOVERNOR INTRODUCED IN JANUARY, AND MAYBE A BUDGET WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE THEN.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK CLOSER TO THE REPUBLICAN BUDGET, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS TO.

THE REVENUES IN HER BUDGET PROPOSAL, A GOOD PORTION WERE FANTASY REVENUES OR THINGS THAT WERE NEVER GOING TO GET THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE.

IN ORDER TO MAKE UP THAT, YOU HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO CUT THE EXPENSE.

>> AND ANOTHER PIECE TO THE PROBLEM HERE.

TO THE EXTEND THINGS ARE ADDED BACK IN TO SATISFY THE GOVERNOR, TO SATISFY SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS, PEOPLE LIKE JAKE HOFFMAN, MARK FINCHEM, ANDREW KOLODIN, SAY NO WAY, I'M OFF THE BUDGET.

AS THE REPUBLICANS LOSE THE MAJORITY, THEY HAVE TO FIND ENOUGH DEMOCRAT VOTES.

DO THEY HAVE TO BUY MORE SERVICES WHICH KNOCKS MORE PEOPLE OFF?

THIS IS A TRICK WE GO THROUGH, HOW DO YOU PUT TOGETHER THAT COALITION THAT'S GOT JUST ENOUGH REPUBLICANS, YOU NEED HALF OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN RULES, AND HOWEVER MANY DEMOCRATS TO GET US TO 1631, AND, OF COURSE, THE ONE BEING THE GOVERNOR.

TED: AND ALMOST ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE, CAMRYN, ARE ANXIOUS TO GET OUT THERE AND KNOCK ON DOORS AND PUT SIGNS ON THE GROUND AS FAR AS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGNS ARE CONCERNED.

THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN, COUPLE OF COMMERCIALS, ONE IN ENGLISH, ONE IN SPANISH, HUH?

>> WHAT I SEE IN EVERY POLITICAL AD, I'M THE EMBODIMENT OF THE AMERICAN DREAM, I'M ONE OF YOU, RUNNING FOR ARIZONA AND AFFORDABILITY.

THIS ONE WAS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND THE ECONOMY.

AND THERE WERE CLAIMS THAT HAD ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD, I LOWER YOUR ELECTRICITY BILLS WHICH I WAS LIKE -- >> YOUR APS BILL HASN'T GONE DOWN SINCE SHE WAS GOVERNOR?

>> I CAN'T SAY IT HAS.

>> SHE FOUND MONEY, MUCH OF THIS WAS COVID MONEY, NOT ALLOCATED TO HER, AND EXPANDED PROGRAMS LIKE 180,000 A YEAR FOR UTILITY BILLS.

SHE SAID I LOWERED PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS.

SHE CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T COST THE MONEY WHERE YOU GET A CARD, WHICH IS NOT INSURANCE, SO MUCH OF THIS IS JUST BLUE SMOKE IN MIRRORS.

>> THE ENGLISH AD WAS FIRST, I AM NOT SURE IF THEY WERE RELEASED SIMULTANEOUSLY.

THE SPANISH LANGUAGE AD, LOT OF FAMILY, KIDS, LOT OF HER BACKGROUND.

I CAME FROM DRIVING AN UBER, WHATEVER THIS CASE MAY BE.

DIFFERENT ANGLES OF ATTACK, HUH?

>> IT WAS, AND OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT SAFFIER THAN WE'RE USED TO SEEING FROM POLITICIANS WHEN THEY DO SPANISH-LANGUAGE ADS, YOU GET THE SAME AD TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH, THIS WAS DIFFERENT.

IT TOOK A DIFFERENT TACK.

IT WAS MORE FORCEFUL AND TOOK THE ANGLE OF AFFORDABILITY, AND I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT DEFENDS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND PROTECTS YOUR INTERESTS, WHICH WAS A MESSAGE THAT WASN'T REALLY IN THE ENGLISH-LANGUAGE VERSION.

TED: AND CONGRESSMAN ANDY BIGGS SAYS JAW-DROPPING DISHONESTY, RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS, MEANT TO MISLEAD VOTERS WE KNOW NEGATIVE ADS WORK, BUT DO WE KNOW THEY WORK IN THIS CONTEXT?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING SHE COULD HAVE SAID THAT BIGGS IS SUPPORTIVE OF.

IT'S NOT NEW, NOR IS IT GREAT FOR POLITICIANS TO STRETCH THE TRUTH IN CAMPAIGN ADS AND HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

I AM THE BEST, AND ALL THESE AMAZING THINGS AND YOU LOOK INTO THE THINGS.

YOU KIND OF DID SOMETHING OR COULD HAVE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING AND MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF IT.

>> THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT, NEVER GIVEN SOMETHING TO SHOOT AT.

THE ISSUE OF UTILITIES, I LOWERED PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS.

I BALANCED ALL THESE BUDGETS.

FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS ALL BALANCED BECAUSE SHE HAD TO WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE, AND B, LEGISLATURE IS NOT GOING TO LET HER RAISE TAX.

WHAT SHE DOESN'T SAY IS PROPOSED THE BUDGET THAT WOULD HAVE RAISED TAXES BUT, OH, NEVER MIND.

>> AND THIS WILL BE THE FIRST OF MANY ADS WE'LL BE SEEING ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

JIM, WHITE HOUSE WANTS THE SUPREME COURT TO ENSURE THAT THE ARIZONA VOTER I.D.

LAW REMAINS, IT HASN'T MADE IT PAST THE LOWER COURTS, COURT OF APPEALS.

TALK ABOUT THE LAW, TALK ABOUT WHY THE WHITE HOUSE EVEN CARES ABOUT THIS?

>> THE WHITE HOUSE CARES ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S A VOTER I.D.

LAW, AND IT IS -- ESSENTIALLY SOMETHING IT'S INTENDED TO ALLOW THE STATES TO PURGE MORE VOTERS OFF THE ROLLS IS FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT IT IS, AND CLOSER TO ELECTION.

IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THIS IS THE LAW THAT'S ESSENTIALLY DESIGNED TO CHALLENGE EXISTING SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT, AND YOU KNOW, THAT ALLOWED ARIZONA TO IMPLEMENT THE VOTER I.D.

LAW IN A LIMITED WAY.

>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE ELECTIONS AND THE IDEA WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT.

>> THAT'S THE POINT.

YOU'RE RIGHT, SOME OF WHAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PUT IN HAS TO DO WITH THE VOTER PURGE.

THE LARGER ISSUE COMES DOWN TO AFTER THE 2020 ELECTION, AND JOE BIDEN DEFEATING 11,457,000 VOTES, AND THEY WERE ALL VOTING AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO PUT JOE BIDEN IN.

HE SAID WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE PROOF OF I.D.

FOR FEDERAL VOTING.

SMALL PROBLEM, NATIONAL VOTER REGISTRATION ACT SAYS THE ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION CRAFTS THE FORM AND THE FORM DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP AND REQUIRES UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.

JUDGE BOLTON, 9th CIRCUIT SAID, EXCUSE ME, YOU HAVE TO OBEY WHAT THE LAW, IS THE FEDS ARE LOOKING FOR PURGING OR ANYTHING ELSE TO BACTREPUBLICANS.

TED: AND THE 9th CIRCUIT IN THEIR RULING AGAINST THE LEGISLATURE SAID THEY FOUND DISCRIMINATORY INTENT HERE AS WELL.

THIS IS AGAIN, THE BIFURCATED THING, HAVE YOU FEDERAL HERE AND STATE HERE AND THIS APPLIES HERE AND THERE, GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

>> YEAH, PROBABLY NOT THE END OF THE CONVERSATION.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TINS SINCE 2022 WITH THE PARTICULAR BILL, BUT WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEFENDING THE LAW -- SORRY, CHALLENGING IT ARE ARGUING, THERE ARE POPULATIONS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS WHO ARE CITIZENS BUT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO PROVIDE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, SUCH AS WHAT WE HEAR AS COLLEGE STUDENTS AND NATIVE AMERICAN POPULATIONS IN SOME CASES WHERE, YES, THEY ARE U.S.

CITIZENS BUT DON'T HAVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON HAND.

IT COMES DOWN TO CAN ARIZONA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE VOTER REGISTRATION ACT AND WOULD REQUIRE 40,000 ARIZONANS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIGNIFICANT.

TED: AND JIM, I THINK THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN MADE, THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

THIS ISN'T JUST WILLY-NILLY, ANYONE CAN VOTE FEDERAL, THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, CORRECT?

>> YEAH, AND ARIZONA MIGHT BE THE ONLY STATE THAT HAS THIS BIFURCATED SYSTEM RIGHT NOW.

KANSAS TRIED SOMETHING SIMILAR, AND RESULTED DIFFERENTLY.

AND, YES, I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER FOR THE CRITICS OF LAWS LIKE THIS AND ANOTHER ATTEMPT IS, LOOK, THIS SYSTEM IS BUILT, DESIGNED, HAS LOTS OF SAFEGUARDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE AND ELIGIBLE TO VOTE AND THE ELIGIBILITY IS CHECKED.

TED: HOWIE, WE GOT TO GET YOUR TAX CREDIT FOR MOVIE PRODUCERS.

YOU LOVE THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

>> ONCE UPON A TIME, ARIZONA WAS A HOTBED, JOHN FORD FILMING IN MONUMENT VALLEY.

TV SHOWS WERE CUT.

WENT AWAY.

SO THE LAWMAKER PUT IN COUPLE OF DECADES AGO, GENEROUS TAX CREDITS, YOU SPEND MONEY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A LOT OF IT BACK.

IT WAS REPEALED, WHEN THEY WERE GIVING MORE THAN THE STATE WAS GETTING BACK.

THEY ARE REFUNDABLE CREDITS, IF YOUR TAX OWED IS LESS THAN CREDITS, YOU GET AN ACTUAL CHECK FROM THE STATE.

THE GOLDWATER INSTITUTE SAYS WE HAVE A GIFT CLAUSE IN THE STATE.

AND THE GIFT CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CANNOT GIVE STATE MONEY TO INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANIZATIONS AND THE ONLY WAY IS TO GET SOMETHING COMMENSURATE IN RETURN.

THEY SAY YOU GET A CREDIT LINE AT THE END OF YOUR COMMERCIAL OR MOVIE SAYING, HEY, MADE IN ARIZONA, AND THEY'RE SAYING DOES NOT CUT IT.

TED: HAVEN'T WE HAD A TRIAL JUDGE BASICALLY SAY THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH, THAT'S OKAY?

>> AND I THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY WITH IT, AND HOWIE CAME BACK WITH HIS STORY.

GREAT, WE'RE BACK.

WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MOVIES FILMED IN ARIZONA, AND MUCH TO THE CHAGRIN OF LAWMAKERS, PEOPLE MAKE THEM IN CALIFORNIA AND SKIP OVER ARIZONA, AND MAKE THEM IN NEW MEXICO WHICH IS A WESTERN-TYPE FILM, WHICH IS GALLING TO AMERICANS WHO ARE FEUDING WITH NEW MEXICO.

WE AREN'T GIVING OUT MUCH MONEY ANYWAY, IT'S A PRINCIPLE THING.

THIS MIGHT FALL INTO THIS USE.

TED: REAL QUICKLY, I WANT JIM TO HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS.

ONLY 15 SECONDS, THIS IS YOUR PREDICTION, WILL WE BE TALKING ABOUT THIS NEXT YEAR?

>> YES.

TED: THANK YOU!

PANEL, GOOD TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.