>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND TONIGHT WE TALK TRUMP INDICTMENTS...

INCLUDING FORMER GOVERNOR DUCEY'S CRITICISM OF THE CASE.

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M RICK DEBRUL, IN FOR TED SIMONS.

JOINING US TONIGHT IS LAURIE ROBERTS OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZ CENTRAL DOT COM, HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES, AND MARY JO PITZL OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZ CENTRAL DOT COM.

ALL RIGHT, THE LAST ELECTION, THE LAST COUPLE OF ELECTIONS ARE THE GIFTS THAT KEEP ON GIVING, AREN'T THEY?

EVERY DAY WE HAVE SOMETHING NEW THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, THOUGH NORMALLY GIFTS ARE SOMETHING YOU ENJOY.

WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING ABOUT THE TRUMP INDICTMENTS, AND IN PARTICULAR, BOTH OF OUR GOVERNORS MADE STATEMENTS, THE FORMER GOVERNOR AND THE CURRENT GOVERNOR MADE STATEMENTS THAT AROUSE ATTENTION.

LET'S START WITH FORMER GOVERNOR DUCEY AND HIS COMMENTS, WHICH WERE A STEP AWAY FROM THE INDICTMENTS AND WHAT ARE WE DOING THIS FOR, AND LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

>> THAT'S LIKE SAYING, TRUMP HAS SAID I COULD KILL SOMEONE IN NEW YORK AND STILL GET ELECTED AND LET'S LET THE VOTERS DECIDE IF HE HAS COMMITTED MURDER.

THAT'S AN ASININE TYPE OF COMMENT.

YOU DON'T DECIDE CRIMINAL CHARGES BASED ON WHAT VOTERS THINK.

I MEAN, HE PARTICULARLY WAS CRITICAL OF THE WEAPONIZATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

AND SOME OF THIS IS NOT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

THE CHARGES IN NEW YORK ARE NOT FALSIFIED TAX RETURNS BEHIND STORMY DANIELS TO WRITE OFF SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT THE CHARGES IN GEORGIA HAVE TO DO WITH CONSPIRACIES, INCLUDING SEVERAL THINGS HERE IN ARIZONA THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

SO HOW DO YOU SAY LET THE VOTERS DECIDE?

THAT'S MOB RULE >> WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT A POLITICIAN LIVES BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN THE REST OF US.

IF WE WERE EXPECTED OF BREAKING THE LAW, WE WOULD BE INDICTED AND WE WOULD BE IN JAIL.

BUT I AGREE WITH HOWIE, WHAT THE GOVERNOR SAID, THE FORMER GOVERNOR IS BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT THE POLITICIAN RUNNING FOR OFFICE, HE'S BASICALLY EXEMPT FROM PROSECUTION, I DON'T KNOW WHICH.

>> I WANT TO SEE THIS IS IN LINE WITH A LOT OF DUCEY'S STANCES ON CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES.

HE'S NOT TRYING TO GET TOO FAR FROM ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, AND YOU WIND UP MAKING EVERYBODY MAD >> HERE'S THE INTERESTING THING.

HE'S NOT GOVERNOR AND HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT WE KNOW OF IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND IT HAS BEEN CLEAR IN THE PAST THAT HE WAS SEVERELY CRITICIZED, AS MUCH AS YOU COULD BE BY A FORMER PRESIDENT, AND WHY TAKE A MIDDLE ROAD?

WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO LOSE SOME >> IS HE LOOKING FOR DONORS WITH ENTREPRENEURIAL ORGANIZATIONS, THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.

>> HE'S STILL A REPUBLICAN AND HAS ASPIRATIONS I BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE.

AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.

A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE OFFENDED BY WHAT'S GOING O.

AND I THINK THAT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

HE'S NOT GOING TO COME OUT AND SAY HEY, THE GUY IS INNOCENT.

AND MOST OF US CAN LOOK AT THOSE CHARGES AND SAY IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD.

WHEN YOU HAVE 91 FELONIES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH.

BUT I THINK HE'S THINKING ABOUT HIS OWN POLITICAL FUTURE.

>> AND THE FACT, WE ASKED ABOUT RIGHTS, WILL YOU SUPPORT TRUMP?

AGAIN, THIS IS THE GUY THAT WE HUNG UP ON ON THE DAILY CERTIFIED THE ELECTION WHEN HE WAS ON THE PHONE AND HE PUT IT DOWN, AND HE WAS CLEARLY CRITICAL OF TRUMP.

HE SAID IN INTERVIEWS WITH A LOT OF FOLKS, LOOK, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NEEDS TO GET PAST THIS PERSONALITY.

WHY CAN'T HE SAY NO TO SOMEONE ELSE?

I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S SUPPORTING SOMEBODY LIKE A MIKE PENCE, AND WE NEED TO MOVE BEYOND TRUMP.

HE CAN'T BRING HIMSELF TO DO THAT.

>> IS THERE ON THE FLIP SIDE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT THE WEAPONIZATION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

LET'S SAY THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP BECOMES PRESIDENT AGAIN, AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK THAT HE WOULD USE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO GO AFTER SOMEONE, AND IS THAT A CONCERN WE HAVE IN THE MODERN WORLD OF POLITICS?

IT'S A CONCERN, YOU HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE ALL THE TIME.

BUT EVERYBODY SAW JANUARY 6th, AND WE HAVE ALL SEEN A LOT OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SCORED AT MAR-A-LAGO AND THE CORRESPONDENTS GOING BACK AND FORTH, SAYING PLEASE RETURN THESE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

RETURN THESE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, AND YOU HAVE THE FBI -- THERE ARE SOME FACTS THAT BEGA JUDICIAL RESPONSE.

>> THESE ARE NOT FULTON COUNTY.

BUT WHEN YOU HEAR THE TAPE, THE GEORGIA SECRETARY OF STATE TAPED THE PHONECALL.

HI, THIS IS THE PRESIDENT, I NEED YOU TO FIND ME -- WHAT MORE CAN YOU SAY ABOUT THAT?

IN TERMS OF TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION IMPROPERLY, SERIOUSLY?

>> AND POINT OUT THAT FRUMP'S FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL, BILL BARR, SAYS THAT HE SEES MERIT IN THE DOCUMENTS CASE.

SO HE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, SOME IS CONNECTION WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ONCE UPON A TIME.

HE SEES -- HE DOESN'T SEE ANY WEAPONIZATION.

AND IT'S NOT ONE PERSON MAKING ALLEGATIONS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND THE ALLEGED CONSPIRACY THAT WE'RE ON HERE, IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

YOU READ THAT GEORGIA INDICTMENT.

AND I THINK IT GOES TO 161 ACTS, AND SOME OF THEM, I THINK ARE A STRETCH THAT MIGHT BE FREEDOM OF SPEECH ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN 24th GO AFTER HIM FOR ELECTION NIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH.

IT'S MORE ABOUT EGO THAN INTRIG.

BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE ACROSS SO MANY STATES SAYING I JUST MISS POSSIBLE SPOKE OR ONE GUY IS TAKING WHAT I SAID OUT OF CONTEXT.

>> HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE.

THE GOVERNOR WAS ON THE RADIO AFTER HE TALKED TO US AND SAYING THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WOULD BE INDICTED FOR CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.

HE WAS NOT INDICTED FOR CHEATING ON HIS WIFE.

HE WAS INDICTED FOR FALSIFYING RETURNS, AND IT'S THE SAME THING IN THE HUNTER BIDEN CASE FOR FALSIFYING RECORDS, SAYING THAT CERTAIN ACTS WITH WOMEN OF THE NIGHT WERE BUSINESS EXPENSES, AND SOMEHOW THAT ALL GETS LOST.

AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, WE HAVE OUR CURRENT GOVERNOR, HOBBS, WHO SHALL WE SAY MISSPOKE THIS WEEK, LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING A FORMER PREPS INDICTED >> IT WAS CLEAR, DO YOU THINK THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, CHRIS MAY, IS ABOUT TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OR THE COUNTY WITHIN GEORGIA AND PURSUE AN INDICT IN PRESIDENT TRUMP IN AND HER ANSWER WAS ABSOLUTELY.

AND SHE TALKED ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND I THINK WITHIN A FEW MINUTES OF THAT COMING OUT, HER STAFF PICKED THEMSELVES UP OFF THE FLOOR AND CAME OUT AND SAID THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE MEANT.

SHE JUST MISHEARD THE QUESTION.

I THOUGHT SHE LOOKED FOOLISH BY DOING THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE GOVERN SAYING, HE SHOULD BE CHARGED.

>> SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD WELCOME THE INVESTIGATION, AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.

BUT WHAT SHE SAID, WHEN YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE.

AND SHE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN DEBATES, SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT ASIDE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ANSWERING QUESTIONS OF REPORTERS AND THIS WAS NOT A COUPLE OF FOLKS OVER A BEER.

THIS WAS A QUESTION AT A PUBLIC EVENT WHERE SHE WAS ASKED.

MISHEARD THE QUESTION?

I THINK THAT YOU COULD CERTAINLY COME BACK, TO A COUPLE OF FURTHER, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THOSE WHO SAY SHE MISHEARD THE QUESTION, ARE WE GOING TO BUY THE GOVERNOR A NEW SET OF HEARING AIDS?

>> I THINK THAT THE WAY THE RIGHT POUNCED ON THAT, AND KARI LAKE IN PARTICULAR, SAID THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO ORDER MISSION MAYS TO BRING AN INDICTMENT AND CHRIS MAYS DOES NOT DO WHAT THE GOVERN ORDERS, AND WOULD DO THE OPPOSITE IF THE GOVERNOR WOULD TRY TO ORDER HER, AND THEN BY THE NEXT DAY, IT WAS JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO ORDER COPS TO ORDER CHRIS MAYS TO MAKE THE INDICT AND IT WAS CRAZY, AND SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID HER OWN OPINION INTO THE SITUATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE POLITICS OF IT ALL.

BUT SHE TRIED TO WALK BACK WHAT YOUR BOSS SAID IS NEVER A GOOD IDEA.

>> I MEAN, WE HAVE HAD PLENTY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS WEIGHING IN ON THIS, ON THE WHOLE TRUMP SITUATION.

ARIZONA'S GOVERNOR DID THAT, AND MAYBE SHE SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN HER WORDS MORE CAREFULLY BUT STAND BY YOUR WORDS.

>> SHE SAW HER SHADOW AND SIX MORE WEEKS OF SUMMER.

WE DO REMEMBER THAT HAPPENING ON A REGULAR BASIS, DO WE NOT?

AND THE FORMER GOVERNOR WOULD MAKE A COMMENT AND THE STAFF WOULD SUM BACK, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY AND I REMEMBER THE STAFF SAYING THIS IS WHAT HE MEANT TO SAY.

THE FACT THAT THE GIFT KEEPS ON GIVING WITH THE ELECTION, AND WE'RE DEALING WITH FAKE ELECTORS IN MULTIPLE STATES, AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS INEVITABLE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> WELL, YOU LOOK AT THE LAW AND THERE ARE SEVERAL STATE LAWS ABOUT FALSIFYING PUBLIC RECORDS, WHICH THESE CERTAINLY WERE.

>> LOOK HOW THEY FALSIFIED THEM.

THEY CREATED THE POTENTIAL, BUT IT WAS NOT A FILE DOCUMENT.

IT WAS NOT SOMETHING -- >> IT WAS SENT TO CONGRESS, TO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES, IT CERTAINLY WAS, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF IMPERSONATING A PUBLIC OFFICIAL.

THEY CLAIM TO BE DULY ELECTED ELECTORS, ABLE TO CAST A VOTE.

I THINK WHY THEY HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN YOU MIGHT THINK, SOME OF THEM SAID WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE WERE SOLD A BILL OF GOODS, AND IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WON THE LAWSUIT TO SUCCESSFULLY OVERTURN THIS ON FILE TO PRESERVE DONALD TRUMP'S RIGHTS, BUT TWO STATES, ARIZONA AND NEW MEXICO, INSERTED THAT CAVEAT INTO THEIR LANGUAGE, IN THE EVENT THAT THE VOTE IS OVERTURNED, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE ELECTION.

>> THAT'S THE TRICKY PART.

CHRIS MAYS FOR ALL OF THE TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HER DOING THINGS ON THE SPUR, SHE IS VERY CAREFUL.

IF SHE DOES AN INDICTMENT, SHE WANTS A CONVICTION, SO SHE'S GOING TO LOOK AT QUESTIONS OF INTENT.

WHAT DID THESE PEOPLE KNOW, AND WHAT DID THEY UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT?

KELLY WARD, AND JOE SCHMOE AT THE END OF THE LIST THERE.

BUT WAS THERE AN INTENT TO DEFRAUD, WAS THERE AN INTENT TO FILE A DOCUMENT?

>> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ANDY BIGGS AND MARK FINCH UM.

HE TOOK A DOCUMENT THAT 29 INCOMING AND OUTGOING LEGISLATURES SIGNED, URGING CONGRESS TO ACCESS THEM.

ALTERNATE ELECTORS, AND IN THE ALTERNATE, DELAY THE WHOLE THING FOR A FULL FORENSIC AUDIT TO HAVE.

HE TOOK THAT DOCUMENT TO WASHINGTON I BELIEVE ON JANUARY 5th, 2021, AND BIGGS ASKED FOR IT TO COME TO HIM.

AND THE NEXT MORNING, HE HOLDS ANOTHER VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH HOUSE SPEAKER, BALLARD, TO ASK HIM SINCE THEY HAD BEEN ASKING HIM I BELIEVE SINCE NOVEMBER, WOULD YOU OVERTURN THE ELECTION?

WOULD YOU -- AND LATER ON THAT DAY, VOTED TO OVERTURN OUR VOTE.

SO I THINK IT MIGHT GO -- AT LEAST IT WARRANTS THE INVESTIGATION TO LOOK BEYOND JUST THE FAKE ELECTORS TO SEE WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON HERE, AND WHAT WAS THE REAL INTENT?

>> WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE HAPPENING BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE DOESN'T COMMENT ON THE SCOPE.

SHE HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION BEYOND THAT.

>> OTHER THAN THAT, THE CONFIRMATION IS PRETTY MUCH RADIO SILENCE, AND WE'LL CALL YOU WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING IS THE MESSAGE >> THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE, AND HOWIE POINTED OUT, THERE'S A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOE SCHMOE WHO WE HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ON THE DOCUMENT OR KELLY WARD OR TYLER BALLARD, THE NATIONAL COMMITTEE FROM ARIZONA OR ANTHONY KERN, A STATE SENATOR.

AND JAY TOPHAM, ALSO A STATE SENATOR.

TWO LEVELS OF PLAYERS HERE, AND SOME OF THEM MAY WELL HAVE BEEN DUPED AND SOME MAY WELL HAVE NOT.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM THE FIRST PICTURE, KELLY WARD AND ALL OF THE LECTORS PROBABLY STANDING THERE HOLDING THAT POSITION, AND EVERYBODY GOING, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I WAS A BIG PART OF THAT.

BUT AT THIS POINT, LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON NATIONALLY, WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT IS A GUT LEVEL FEELING, IS IT HIGHLY LIKELY OR UNLIKELY THAT WE'LL SEE INDICTMENTS?

>> WELL, THE SAFE THING FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO DO, WOULD BE TO TAKE IT TO A GRAND JURY.

OBVIOUSLY, THE OLDING A IS GOOD PROSECUTOR CAN INDICT A HAMBURGER TO A GRAND JURY DEPENDING ON WHAT'S PRESENTED.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT PROVIDES SOME COVER.

AGAIN, UNLESS SHE IS SURE SHE CAN GET A CONVICTION, SHE WILL SAY THIS FALLS IN A GRAY AREA, AND WE WILL LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE.

AND THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT SHE CAN LOOK AT IN TERMS OF EFFORTS TO INFLUENCE THE ELECTION.

ALL OF THE STUFF WITH RUSTY 2024S THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK IN THE GEORGIA CASE, FOR THE PRESIDENT TO INFLUENCE T THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, AND MUCH MORE THAN THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT, THE ACCIDENT OCCURRED IN ARIZONA, SO COULD YOU TAKE THOSE SAME FACTS FROM GEORGIA AND PLUG IN ARIZONA AND SAY DONALD TRUMP, RUDY GIULIANI, EVERYTHING IN ARIZONA THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE FRAUDULENT.

AND THAT MAY BE A MORE INTERESTING CASE.

>> LET'S PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, HE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARGED 91 TIMES, FOUR CASES, ALL TRIED NEXT YEAR RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION, AND I THINK THAT FANNY HAS TALKED ABOUT TRYING HIM RIGHT BEFORE THE GEORGIA PRIMARY.

THESE ARE COMPLEX CASES AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE A SET OF LAWYERS.

>> THEY HAVE ALREADY ASKED TO DELAY IT UNTIL AFTER.

>> HE WANTS TO DELAY IT.

BUT AT ONE POINT DOES IT BECOME OVERKILL AND HIS COMPLAINTS OF UNFAIRNESS BEGIN TO RING TRUE WITH THOSE VOTERS IN THIS SWING STATE IN THE MIDDLE?

I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, HE IS A FISH THAT'S ALREADY ON THE LINE SOMEWHERE.

I REALLY WOULD ADVOCATE IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO GO AFTER, BUT YOU REALLY LOOK INTO THE ISSUE OF WHAT'S THE LOCAL STUFF?

>> FAKE ELECTORS VERSUS THE TRUMP INDICTMENT, IN SOME WAYS THEY'RE DIFFERENT CASES >> THEY'RE TOGETHER.

>> THEY'RE CONNECTED BUT THE IDEA OF GOING AFTER FAKE ELECT, FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS THAT PRETEND TO BE OFFICIAL, THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN GOING AFTER TRUMP.

>> IT IS, IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN GOING AFTER TRUMP.

BUT IF YOU GO AFTER TRUMP, WHEN THE GEORGIA INDICT ALREADY DEALS WITH SOME OF THE ARIZONA ISSUES, DO YOU RISK LOOKING LIKE WE ARE WEAPONIZING THE SYSTEM BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BURY THIS GUY, AND NOT GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO COME OUT FROM UNDER.

THAT'S NOT JUSTICE, THAT'S VENGEANCE.

>> SO THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING, ELECTIONS, REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO DO ELECTION WRAP-UP SHOWS, AND AFTER THAT WAS DONE, WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE?

>> WE'LL BE HERE IN 2023, 2024, 2025, GIVEN THAT SOME OF THESE ARE FOUR-YEAR DETERMINES, BUT LOOK AT THE LITIGATION THAT'S STILL GOING ON, WE HAVE CANADA, MULLIGAN, IN THE CASE WHERE THE JUDGE SAID YOU STILL DIDN'T PROVE YOUR CASE, AND WE STILL HAVE KARI LAKE INSISTING THAT THE ELECTION PROCEEDINGS WERE UNFAIR.

AND WE HAVE A NEW CASE THIS WEEK, SAYING THAT EARLIER BALLOT SIGNATURES VERSUS THE PERSON'S CURRENT VOTER REGISTRATION, WE SHOULD FILL OUT THE ENTIRE SLATE AND FORCE A DO-OVER IN THAT.

SO WE ARE HERE FOR THE LONG-TERM, FOLKS.

>> FILING ON, WE ALSO HAVE MARK FINCHUM APPEALING THE JUDGE'S DECISION THAT HE HAS TO PAY ATTORNEY FEES IN HIS ELECTION CASE, THOUGH HE HAS PAID THEM, HE OBJECTS TO THE PRINCIPLE >> BUT WHY DID HE PAY THEM?

HE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF DISCOVERY, CORRECT?

AND HE WAS GOING TO CENTER TO TURN OVER DOCUMENTS.

>> A VERY EXTENSIVE DISCOVERY REQUEST, DONORS AND BANK ACCOUNTS AND RESIDENCE AND GUNS, AND THAT REALLY IGNITED ANOTHER FUNDRAISING APPEAL FROM HIM.

BUT IT DID SEEM TO SHAKE THAT, I FORGET THE AMOUNT, $49,000 OUT FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES, AND JUST TODAY IN THE SUPREME COURT, ONE OF THE COCHISE HAS PROTESTED HOW THE VOTES WERE COUNTED IN COCHISE.

IT DOES KEEP ON GIVING, AND I COVERED THE LEGISLATURE.

THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN DUTIES, AND PEOPLE SAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW THAT THE LEGISLATURE IS OUT OF SESSION?

AND WE'RE STILL LITIGATING 2020 AND 2022.

AND THE NUMBER OF LEGAL CASES OVER THE YEARS HAS REALLY JUST GROWN.

YOU DIDN'T USED TO SEE THIS LEVEL OF LITIGATION.

>> LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT ELECTION, WE HAVE THIS LITTLE THING CALLED THE ELECTION MANUAL, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRODUCED AND PUT IN PLACE, AND I THINK THAT WE HAD ONE LEGIT WAS 2019 BECAUSE OF ISSUES, AND DOES IT MATTER?

IS IT ARGUING OVER NOTHING?

>> IT DOES MATTER.

>> IT'S THE RULE BOOK THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE WRITES WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> THE REASON TO HAVE THE LAST ONE, BECAUSE THEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OBJECTED TO THE ONE THAT HOBBS HAD PUT TOGETHER.

>> RIGHT.

>> AND ULTIMATELY, IT WAS DELAYED SO LONG THAT IT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>> THEY COULDN'T AGREE, THE SECRETARY MADE A COUPLE OF CONCESSIONS TO WHAT THE OTHERS WERE OBJECTING TO, AND HE COULDN'T ACCEPT OTHERS, AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO A STAND STIM.

>> IT WAS A 260 PAGE RULE BOOK OF WHAT THE COUNTIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

HOW YOU GO ABOUT, I WOULD IMAGINE HOW YOU GO ABOUT IT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE, BUT HOW YOU GO ABOUT REGISTERING VOTERS AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND WHAT THE DEADLINES ARE, JUST ALL OF THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS, AND IT'S INEVITABLE, THE WAY THAT ELECTIONS HAVE WORKED HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THAT AND FILED A LOT OF OBJECTIONS >> SOME OF THESE ARE IMPORTANT.

FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE ARTS IS, WE HAVE BEEN USING BALLOT DROPBOXES FOR YEARS NOW, AND THE ARGUMENT IS, WELL, THE STATUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RULE BOOK, NEVER ALLOWED FOR THE BALLOT DROP FOX, AND EVERYBODY IS FIGURING, WE'RE GOING TO GET AN ADVANTAGE HERE, AND EACH SIDE, WE HAVE THE VOTING RIGHTS GROUPS SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD MAKE VOTING EASIER, AND REGISTRATION EASIER, AND YOU HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS ASSISTING THAT POOR MR. TRUMP WAS SCREWED LAST NIGHT, SAYING NO, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IMPROPER VOTES ARE BEING COUNTED, MAKING SURE THAT IT'S FEDERAL ELECTIONS AND NOT STATE ELECTIONS >> IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH SCRUTINY HAS BEEN PUT ON THE ELECTORAL PROCESS.

NOT A BALD THING, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.

AND PETERSON IS THREATENING TO SUE IF THE MANUAL DOESN'T INCORPORATE THE NINE PAGES OF CHANGES THAT HE AND THE ATTORNEYS THAT HE HIRED ARE SUGGESTING.

WE'LL SEE, IT'S A DRAFT.

AND IT'S GOING TO GET PRESUMABLY REWORKED.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IS NOT COMMENTING ON IT, AND IN FACT, WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMMENTS THEY GOT.

BUT THEY GOT A LOT.

>> WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.

AND QUICKLY, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ELECTION MANUALS FOR THE NEXT ELECTION?

>> I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE ELECTION.

>> ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION MANUAL?

THE LAST TIME WE DOESN'T GET ONE.

IT HAS TOC APPROVED BY ATTORNEY GENERAL.

>> YOU CAN HOLD THAT UP.

WE'LL HAVE AN ELECTION PAN MANUAL, WHETHER IT'S THE ONE MADE IN 2023 OR IN 2019.

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