>> Ted: NEXT, THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE, A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S NEXT STORE FOR A SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO THE EDUCATION SPENDING LIMIT.

A NEW STUDY LOOKING TO HELP STUDENT ATHLETES LEARN THE SIGNS OF DEHYDRATION.

THAT'S HEAD ON ARIZONA PBS.

AWELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS BOB CHRISTIE OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS AND ROY STERN OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND LAURIE ROBERTS OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZCENTRAL.COM AND BOB, LET'S START WITH YOU AND DEMOCRATS COMING OUT PRETTY LOUDLY SAYING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SPECIAL SESSION AND WHAT HAPPENED TO GET RID OF THAT EDUCATION SPENDING LIMIT BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL OUT THERE.

>> IT'S HUGE AND IT WAS PUT IN BY VOTERS MORE THAN 40 YEARS AGO AND WELL, WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS LIMITED HOW MUCH EACH SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN SPEND EVERY YEAR AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE SPENDING NOW FOR COMPUTERS AND ON AND ON.

IF THEY DON'T FIX THIS, THEY WILL END UP AGAIN THIS YEAR HAVING PROBABLY 20% OR 25% OF THEIR SPENDING FROZEN.

THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SPEND THE MONEY AND THERE WAS, APPARENTLY, A LOT OF BEHIND-THE-SCENES TALK BEHIND THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WHICH THE DEMOCRATS CAME ON BOARD WITH THAT DON'T WORRY, WE'LL FIX IT AND DO IT IN A SPECIAL SESSION.

>> Ted: RAY, DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING THE GOVERNOR SAY THEY WOULD TO DO A SPECIAL SESSION AND STILL WAITING?

>> STILL WAITING AND MAYBE SOMETHING THERE AND THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BILL THAT ALLOWED MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS TO APPLY TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THEY NEED TO, BASICALLY, GET RID OF THE CAP BEFORE IT CAN BE SPENT.

SO WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?

IS IT SOME KIND OF A SCAM OR SOMETHING AND SEEMS LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER?

>> Ted: THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOTE, WOULDN'T THEY?

>> THE DEMOCRATS SAY THEY HAVE ENOUGH.

YOU NEED A TWO THIS THIRDS VOTE, BUT THEY DID, THEY TOOT THEIR OWN HORNS TO SAY WE'VE GIVEN THE SCHOOLS $200 MILLION IN NEW MONEY, WHICH IS GREAT, EXCEPT IF THEY DON'T RAISE THE SPENDING LIMIT, THERE'S $1.3 BILLION THEY CAN'T SPEND.

WHAT'S THE GOOD OF HAVING IT IF YOU CAN'T SPEND IT ON THE KID'S EDUCATION?

>> Ted: COULD THEY LET THE VOTERS DECIDE?

>> WHAT'S GOING ON, THE DEMOCRATS, RIGHTFULLY SO, DO WANT THIS INTO NEXT YEAR'S SESSION.

YOU POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATURE AND POTENTIALLY A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR WHO DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A FRIEND TO PUBLIC EDUCATION.

AND THERE'S A REAL QUESTION IN MY MIND ABOUT WHETHER THE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT RAISING THE SPENDING LIMIT.

OF COURSE, THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT THE VOUCHER ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT COULD WELL GO ON HOLD UNTIL IT COULD GO ON THE BALLOT DEPENDING WHETHER THEY TURN IN ENOUGH SIGNATURES IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO.

I DON'T THINK THE MOOD IS SET AT THE LEGISLATURE WITH THE REPUBLICANS FOR BEING PARTICULARLY KIND TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS RIGHT ABOUT NOW.

>> Ted: THE VOUCHER IS AT PLAY HERE, ISN'T IT?

>> IT IS, AND THERE WAS SOME BACK-AND-FORTH IN THE LAST WEEKS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT SAID, WE'LL PUT A POISON PILL INTO THE BUDGET THAT SAYS IF THE VOUCHERS OR THE ESA PROGRAM IS REFERRED, PUT ON HOLD UNTIL 2024, THE SPENDING AUTOMATICALLY GETS CUT AND MANAGED TO PULL THAT OUT, BUT THAT IS IN PLAY.

THE BOTTOM LINE, THEY HAVE TO FIX IT.

THEY COULDN'T FIX IT AND COULD HAVE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND REPEAL IT.

THEY KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM EVERY YEAR.

>> Ted: WHAT'S NEXT HERE, RAY?

WHAT DO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HERE?

>> WELL, THERE'S STILL HELP FOR A SPECIAL SESSION, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE ELECTION AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

DEMOCRATS MAY DO BETTER THAN EXPECTED AND THEY CAN TRY FOR A BILL.

>> Ted: SO NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL THE ELECTION, YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, FORCE THE REPUBLICANS TO DO THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE QUESTION OF THE REFERRAL.

YEAH, THAT'S DIFFICULT TO GET.

>> WE'VE SEEN THIS, IF KATIE HOBBS WINS, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR REPUBLICANS TO COME BACK INTO SPECIAL SESSION BEFORE A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR TAKES OVER.

SO MAYBE THEY'LL FIGURE, YOU KNOW -- THESE ARE CONTINGENCY PLANS.

IF HOBBS WINS, THEY CAN COME BACK AND 31 AND 16 AND THE GOVERNOR'S SIGNATURE TAKE A LOT OF HER POWER AWAY WHICH WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER REPUBLICAN STATES, MAJORITY REPUBLICAN STATES WHEN A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICAN WINS.

>> Ted: THAT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

>> IN THE BACK OF MY MIND.

>> Ted: MARK FINCHHAM IS ACCUSING MIKE PENCE OF STAGING A COO.

>> VIDEO HAS IMMERGED, I THINK IT WAS IN JULY, WHERE HE EXPLAINED TO AN AUDIENCE THAT IT WASN'T THE MAGA CROWD ATTEMPTING ANY KIND OF A COO OR INSURRECTION BUT VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE.

APPARENTLY, AS THE MOB WAS REACHING THE CAPITOL AND RUNNING THROUGH THE HALLWAYS AND CONGRESSMEN AND THE VICE PRESIDENT WERE IN HIDING, THE VICE PRESIDENT MADE SOME CALLS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND OTHER PLACES TO SEE IF THEY COULD GET SOME HELP TO RESTORE SOME ORDER AND ACCORDING TO Mr. FINCHAH, THAT WAS COUNTER TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTED AND STAGING A COO.

>> Ted: CALLED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SAYING YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENING AND JUST THAT EFFORT IS A COO ATTEMPT?

>> IF I UNDERSTAND IT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS -- THE INVESTIGATION INCLUDED THAT PENCE'S LIFE WAS THIS DANGER THAT DAY.

SO HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED ANYONE HE COULD.

>> Ted: THERE'S VIDEO SHOWING SOME OF THE PROTESTERS GOT CLOSER TO THE VICE PRESIDENT.

>> VERY CLOSE.

>> THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE YELLING HANG, MIKE PENCE AND NOW MARK FINCHAH, CONSIDER ED THIS CONSIDERED THIS A COO TO RESTORE HOARD.

ORDER.

>> THIS IS JUST THE LATEST REVELATION AND I MEAN, WE'VE WATCHED MARK FINCHAH AND HAS PARTICULAR VIEWS A PARTICULAR BASE AND TELLING WHAT THEY THINK THEY WANT HIM TO SAY BECAUSE HE THINKS THAT GETS HIM VOTES.

AND I SAY THAT REGULARLY, WE HAVE TO SEE WHETHER THAT BASE, WHICH ELECTED HIM IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, STICKS WITH HIM DESPITE HIS VIEWS.

>> HE'S CREATING A QUITE A CONSPIRACY THEORY, TOO, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST INVOLVE PENCE MAKING TERRIBLE PHONE CALLS TO SAVE HIS LIFE AND OTHERS, BUT SAYS THAT BECAUSE PENCE SUPPORTED MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR IN STATES LIKE ARIZONA, HE'S SETTING HIMSELF UP TO BE BETTER POSITIONED FOR HIS PRESIDENTIAL RUN AGAINST TRUMP.

AND THIS A COO, TOO, AND SO, I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE CHART ON THIS ONE.

>> I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT HIS BASE WILL STICK WITH HIM.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES IS THE 2020 ELECTION AND HE'S WHOLLY AND TOTALLY OBSESSED WITH THE 2020 ELECTION AND WANTS TO RUN THE 2024 ELECTION AND NO DOUBT, HIS BASE WILL STAY WITH HIM.

WHAT WILL THE INDEPENDENT DECIDE DO?

WILL THEY STICK WITH HIM?

THE JEWISH VOTE MIGHT BE IN QUESTION.

>> HE HAS HEBREW AN CESS ANCESTRY, THOUGH.

>> HE LOVES, THEM, YEAH.

>> Ted: HOW DOES THIS PLAY IN THE SECRETARY OF STATE RACE?

>> VOTERS WILL BE FOCUSED ON -- THERE'S A LOT MORE DYNAMICS THAN JUST THE U.S. SENATE.

SECRETARY OF STATE, WE HAVE MARK FINCHHAM AND SAYS A LOT OF UNUSUAL THINGS, BUT WE'VE GOT THE ABORTION ISSUE, AND VOUCH IRSVOUCHERSAND BRINGING A LOT OF DEMOCRATS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SO MANY THINGS HAPPENING IN THIS CURRENT ELECTION CYCLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SEE WHETHER MARK FINCHAHM SAYS DAMAGES HIM.

>> Ted: THERE'S NO REAL SURPRISE HERE.

>> DID YOU DO PEOPLE CARE OR PAY ATTENTION TO THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S RACE?

YOU AND I KNOW ABOUT IT AND SOMETHING ON OUR MINDS AND THEY'VE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE POLITICAL SCENE AND KNOW WHO HE IS AND HE'S A NATIONAL FIGURE.

THE AVERAGE VOTER, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET PASSED THE SENATOR AND GOVERNOR, WILL THEY GO BY THE R & D OR HAVE THEY PAID ATTENTION?

>> THE THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL CANDIDATE AND KARI LAKE, THEY CONTROL THE ELECTION PROCEDURE'S MANUAL AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET BILLS THROUGH.

THEY CAN CHANGE A LOT OF ELECTION RULES ADMINISTRATIVELY.

THIS IS A BIG FIGHT SIX MONTHS AGO BETWEEN MARK BRNOVICH AND HOBBS BECAUSE HE WANTED CHANGES AND SHE DIDN'T AND THEY DIDN'T AGREE AND RUNNING INTO AN OLD ONE.

BUT THEY CAN GET RID OF DROP BOXES AND SHORTEN ALL SORTS OF DEADLINES.

THEY CAN DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS CHANGING THE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES.

IF WE HAVE THREE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE ELECTION DENIERS, THAT COULD BE A BIG ISSUE IN 2024.

>> THEY COULD REFUSE TO CERTIFY THE ELECTION RESULTS.

THEY'VE ALL, I THINK, SAID THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN 2020,.

IF THEY EXPECT THEIR CANDIDATE WON WIN,WOULDN'T WIN, IT WOULD GO TO THE COURTS.

>> THEY WILL HAVE TO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS OR AT LEAST ONE FULL ONE, THEY COULD CHANGE LAWS AND ALLOW THAT ADMINISTRATIVE -- RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE TO SIGN THE CANVAS.

THE NUMBERS ARE THERE AND ADD UP TO WHATEVER THE TOTAL VOTES ARE AND BOOM, THEY HAVE TO SIGN.

>> Ted: YOU MENTIONED ABLE HOMADAY AND HIS FATHER HAS A VISA PROBLEM?

>> THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT.

PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME, WHY DOES IT MATTER ABOUT HIS FATHER?

IT GOES TO CREDIBILITY AND HIPPOCRACY ABOUT HIM.

HE HAS SAID PUBLICALLY THAT HIS PARENTS CAME HERE OR HIS FATHER CAME HERE LEGALLY AND STOOD IN LINE TO LEGALLY BECOME A CITIZEN.

ALL OF THAT IS, INDEED, TRUE.

WHAT HE LEAVES OUT OF THE STORY IS THE MIDDLE PART THAT OUR REPORTER REPORTED ON THIS WEEK.

AND THAT IS THAT HE CAME OVER HERE LEGALLY ON A SIX-MONTH VISA, OVERSTAYED THAT VISA BY SEVEN YEARS AND HAD ABLE AND A SIBLINGS AND SUBJECT TO DEPORTATION AND PLEADED WITH THE COURT TO LET HIM STAY BECAUSE HE HAD THESE CHILDREN AND ALLOWED TO STAY.

NOW HE TALKS ABOUT THE NEED TO PROSECUTE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FOR TRESS POSITION POSITION POSITIONTRESPASSING.

SO IT'S AN INTERESTING JUXTA JUXTAPOSITION.

THE SHOES HIS DAD WALKS US IN ARE DIFFERENT SHOES THAN NOW.

>> Ted: HIS FATHER WAS NOW AS AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON, OVERSTAYED HIS VISA, ILLEGAL, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL, WHEN ABLE WAS BORN.

>> RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO HEAR HOW ABLE IS PROCESSING THIS AND HOW HE HAS PROCESSED THIS OVER THE YEARS AND WHY HE CAN SO BOLDLY CLAIM THAT HE WANTS UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTED PROCESSED FOR TRESPASSING.

HE WOULD HAVE GROWN UP WITHOUT HIS FATHER.

HE MAY HAVE STAYED HERE OR MAYBE GONE OVERSEAS WITH HIS DAD.

ASSUMING HE WOULD HAVE STAYED HERE, HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAS HAD DAD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA ARE GOING THROUGH THAT SITUATION.

HE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN WHY IT'S NOT GOOD FOR HIS FAMILY AND GOOD FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

>> Ted: THAT SYMPATHETIC STORY, WILL IT FLY VERY FAR?

>> SO HE HAS SOME PROBLEMS WITH THIS NARRATIVE BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT RAY AND LAURIE HAVE LAID OUT.

YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT.

THE PROBLEM IS, HE GOT CAUGHT, RIGHT?

SO HE DIDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THIS.

REPORTERS DUG IT UP.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM FOR HIM.

HOW DOES HE DEAL WITH IT?

HE ATTACKS THE REPORTERS AND SAID YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MY OPPONENTS, CAMPAIGN ASSISTANT JUNIOR MANAGER AND ANYTHING TO LOOK OVER THERE.

HE HASN'T ADDRESSED IT.

IT WILL BE IN A HEADLINE AND IT WILL BE IN THE TOP OF EVERY, YOU KNOW, TWO PARAGRAPHS OF EVERY STORY ABOUT HIM UNTIL HE DOES ADDRESS IT.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WILL GO.

>> Ted: SAME QUESTION, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR RACE?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WHAT RAY SAID IS TRUE, IT'S A DOWN BALLOT RACE AND I DON'T THINK -- I THINK FOR HIS BASE, NOTHING COULD CHANGE THEIR OPINION.

YOU HAVE KARI LAKE WHO HAS QUITE A HARSH AGENDA AS FAR AS THE BORDER GOES.

YET JUST A FEW YEARS AGO ADVOCATING AMNESTY AND DIDN'T MATTER A WHIT WITH THE REPUBLICAN BASE.

BUT FOR THE MIDDLE PEOPLE, HOW DOES THAT PLAY?

ULTIMATELY, IT DOES HURT HIM BECAUSE OF THE CREDIBILITY ISSUE THAT HE DIDN'T BRING IT UP AND CAN WE TRUST HIM TO TELL US THE WHOLE TRUTH.

HYPOCRACYHI POCKHYPOCRACY ISSUE.

PEOPLE DIDN'T GET ACROSS THE BORDER OR SNEAK INTO THE COUNTRY.

THEY DID WHAT ABLE'S FATHER DID, WHICH WAS COME HERE ON A VISA AND REMAIN.

>> Ted: WE HAD DEBATES ON ARIZONA HORIZON, A COUPLE OF CLEAN ELECTION DEBATES AND LET START WITH YOU, BOB AND DEBATE TOM HORNE AND KATHY HOFFMAN AND DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.

>> DIFFERENT.

>> TEST SCORES HAVE GONE DOWN AND HARD TO LOOK OVER TIME AND SEE, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TESTS AND IT'S NOT APPLES AND ORANGES AND HE TRIED TO COME BACK AND SAY, LOOK, TEST SCORES HAVE COME DOWN UNDER KATHY HOFFMAN AND CULTURE WAR ISSUES AND THEY ARE ISSUES WITH -- I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.

>> Ted: CRITICAL RACE THEORY AND LGTQ.

>> IT TOOK UP A LOT OF TIME AND KEPT COMING BACK ABOUT THIS LINK ON THE WEBSITE AND ALLOWS LGBTQ YOUTH LOOKING FOR RESOURCES TO GO ONTO THE PUBLIC INSTRUCTION WEBSITE AND LINK TO A COUNSELOR AND HE HAMMERED ON THAT AND KANARESE THOUGHT IT,CANWILLRAISE NATE RAISE NATE.

RESONATE.

>> Ted: IS THAT CULTURE STUFF BIG?

>> A LOT OF REPUBLICANS -- THE AVERAGE VOTERS, I THINK THEY LISTEN AND WATCHING LIBS OF TIKTOK AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE LGBTQ TEACHING AND ALTHOUGH POEMS SHOW IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE GREATEST CONCERN AMONG PARENTS.

IT'S VERY LOW FOR MOST OF THEIR CONCERNS.

SO HOW BIG THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE RACE?

I DON'T KNOW.

I DIDN'T THINK THE CRITICISM AGAINST QUEER CHAT, WHICH IS THE WEBSITE THAT TOM HORNE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS ALL THAT COMPELLING.

HIS ARGUMENT WAS THAT IF IT GETS HACKED, IT'S A PROBLEM AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MANNING IT ARE NOT LICENSED COUNSELORS.

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH COUNSELORS ARE SCHOOL AND NO MAJOR SCANDALS WITH THIS PARTICULAR WEBSITE AND MAYBE PREMATURE TO SAY THIS IS BAD FOR KIDS.

>> KATHY CAME BACK AND SAID THIS IS A CDC RECOMMENDED RESOURCE THAT I SIMPLY HAVE OUT THERE FOR OUR KIDS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS IN THE STATE WITH OUR TEENAGERS.

WE HAVE TEEN SUICIDE, AS WE ALL KNOW IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND IT'S PARTICULARLY TRUE AMONG KIDS WHO HAVE SEXUAL IDENTITY ISSUES THAT THEY'RE GROWING INTO AND REALIZE THEY'RE GAY.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE RESOURCES.

>> Ted: TOM HORNE USED THE PHRASE SPEAKING TO STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

THAT RINGS A LOT OF BELLS, DOESN'T IT?

>> OF COURSE, IT DOES.

THEY'LL IMPLY THEY'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THEIR CHILDREN AND GROOM YOUR CHILDREN TO BECOME GAY, I GUESS.

THE BASE DOESN'T TRUST THE CDC ANYWAY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S HELPFUL, ANYWAY.

WHAT I WISH THEY WOULD BOTH ADDRESS IN A SPECIFIC AND DETAILED WAY IS HOW WE DRIVE TEST SCORES UP OR EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW WE BRING ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT UP IN THE SCHOOLS.

IT WENT DOWN DURING THE PANDEMIC AND IT HAS COME UP A LITTLE BIT AND NOT COME UP ENOUGH.

YOU KNOW YOU THROW IN THE ISSUE OF VOUCHERS AND OTHER THINGS WITH PARENTS WONDERING, CAN MY KIDS GET A GOOD EDUCATION IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THEY'RE FIGHTING ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT ARE VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

BUT THEY'RE NOT GETTING TO THAT ISSUE OF HOW AM I GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR CHILD'S PUBLIC EDUCATION.

>> Ted: YET, WHEN THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED, TOM HORNE SAID THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN ARIZONA CLASSROOMS IS DISCIPLINE AND FOR KATHY HOFFMAN IT'S RESOURCES, FUNDING AND THAT'S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.

>> AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE STATS ARE SHOWING RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A BIG PROBLEM WITH WHAT KIDS -- WE'RE NOT LEARNING DURING THE PANDEMIC AND SO, IS DISCIPLINE THE ONLY PROBLEM?

RESOURCES ARE PROBABLY ARE A PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHY THE LEGISLATURE GAVE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM A RAISE OR TRIED TO.

>> TOM HORNE, THE ONE THING HE MISSES WITH THIS LINE OF ARGUMENT IS THAT TWO YEARS AGO, VOTERS PASSED A MEASURE SAYING THAT THEY WANT MORE MONEY FOR SCHOOLS.

THEY WANT THE WEALTHY TO BE TAXED AND 52% OF THE STATE AND IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER AND IN TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT, THEY REJECTED 2-1 VOUCHER EXPANSION AND THERE IS A GROUP, A SOLID GROUP OF PARENTS WHO ARE NOT BUYING INTO THIS WHO DON'T BELIEVE THAT SCHOOLS, PUBLIC SCHOOLS GET ENOUGH MONEY.

I HAVE A NIECE IN A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN, QUITE OFTEN DURING THE YEAR I'M GETTING PITCHES TO, YOU KNOW, WRITE A CHECK FOR WHATEVER ACTIVITIES SHE DOES.

AND I TALKED TO HER AT SUNDAY DINNER AND YEAH, THIS IS HOW WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO OUR SHIFTS.

SHE WANTS TO DO ANYTHING, THEY HAVE TO BRING IN THE MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW IF PARENTS RACE REALIZE THAT.

>> Ted: WE HAD ANOTHER DEBATE LAST NIGHT AND LOTS OF DIFFERENCE WITH GUNNIGLE SAYING SHE WOULD NOT PROSECUTE ABORTION CASES AND SAYING SHE HINTED AT PROSECUTORIAL DISCRETION AND DIDN'T GO COMPLETELY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE THERE, AS WELL.

>> WELL, YEAH.

AND I MEAN, JULIE GUNNIGLE WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT DIFFERENCE MOVE THE FACT THAT SHE IS CERTAINLY MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN YOUR AVERAGE COUNTY ATTORNEY CANDIDATE AND RACHEL MITCHELL SAID SHE WOULD CONSIDER NOT PROSECUTING IN RAPE OR INCEST SHOWING A WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT A CASE ITSELF AND HASN'T COME FORWARD TO SAY IF THIS PASSING, I WON'T PROSECUTE AND SHE MIGHT.

>> Ted: IS THAT A BIG ISSUE IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S RACE, DO YOU ANY?

>> I THINK IT'STHINK?

>> IF SHE PAYMENTS PAINTS SOMEONE TO PUT PREGNANT WOMEN IN JAIL WAITING ON WHAT ARIZONA'S LAW WILL BE, THE MIDDLE VOTERS, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THE OTHER VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IS THIS DEFUNDING THE POLICE THING.

EVERY SINCED PLANNED PARENTHOOD TIED THAT TO ENDORSEMENTS, IT'S HELD AN AL ALBATROSS AROUND THE NECKS AND JULIE SAYS THAT'S NOT A PART OF MY PLAN.

BUT SOME REPORTERS HAVE DUG UP TWEETS FROM THE 2020 RACE WHERE SHE DID, INDEED, CALL FOR DIVERTING $25 MILLION IN FUNDING FOR THE PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

SO I MEAN, I GUESS IT DEPENDS YOUR DEFINITION OF DEFUNDING.

>> IT WOULD HAVE AND SHE WAS VERY SORT OF CONFIDENT AND BOLD ABOUT SAYING THAT THIS MONEY SHOULD BE REDUCED FROM THE -- OR ACTUALLY, RACHEL ASKED WHETHER IT SHOULD BE REDUCE THE REDUCED FROM THE POLICE BUDGET AND SCHOOLLY JULIE SAID THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE SAID AND IT WAS.

SHE WOULDN'TAND I CALLED HER CAMPAIGN AND YOU HAVE THIS TWEET, WHAT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T SAY AND APPARENTLY, IT WAS A MISMEMORY OF WHAT SHE SAID.

>> IT'S A MISMEMORY AND THIS IS A POTENT ATTACK, TOOL, FOR REPUBLICANS.

DEMOCRATS REALLY STEPPED IN IT WHEN THEY NAMED IT DEFUND THE POLICE.

ITIT'S A HORRIBLE MESSAGING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE IN THE BACK ROOM WERE THINKING ABOUT WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THAT AND THIS WON'T WORK.

ESPECIALLY AT THE LOCAL LEVEL WHERE 50% AND 60% IS ON PUBLIC SAFETY EXPECT POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE CARE WHEN PUBLIC SAFETY -- WHEN THEY SEE CRIME GOING UP AND JUST A POTENT, POTENT TOOL FOR REPUBLICANS.

>> Ted: RAY, ONE MORE DEBATE ON MONDAY, THE CORPORATION COMMISSION DEBATE FOR CANDIDATES, FIVE-MEMBER COMMISSION, TWO DEMOCRATS, FOUR REPUBLICANS AND DID THEY SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

>> ESPECIALLY ON RENEWABLE ENERGY AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES.

THEY WANT TO INCREASE THE STANDARD THAT ARIZONA HAS AND BASICALLY MANDATE MORE OF A SHARE OF RENEWABLE ENERGY AND THE TWO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, MYERS AND THOMPSON, THEY WANT TECHNOLOGY IN THE MARKET TO CONTROL THAT.

AND THERE IS SOME, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME TRUTH TO THAT.

IT MAY BE TRUE THAT THE COST OF RENEWABLE ENERGY TO PRODUCE THE ENERGY IS CHEAPER THAN ANY OTHER SOURCE RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S JUST DAYTIME ENERGY OR WHEN THE WIND IS BLOWING AND TO GET A FULL 24 HOUR ELECTRICITY, THAT ISN'T AS CHEAP AS THEY SAY.

>> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT Mr. THOMPSON AND Mr. MEYERS IS, THEY BOTH ESSENTIALLY SAID, HANDS OFF, THE CORPORATION COMMISSION HAS BEEN OVERSTEPPING THE BOUNDS FOR DECADES AND NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD THE ORIGINAL RENEWABLE STANDARDS IN PLACE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW THAT JUST SETS IT AT 15% BY 2025 AND WE'RE CLOSE TO THAT.

BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WE'RE LIVING IN THIS.

>> Ted: IS THIS ONE OF THE DOWN-BALLOT RACES WHERE YOU GET PEOPLE THERE?

>> A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WON'T EVEN VOTE IN THAT RACE, WHICH THEY SHOULD VOTE BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT RACE AND THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE HOW MUCH TO PAY FOR ELECTRICITY.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SO THEY SHOULD, BUT THEY WON'T, AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHO TURNS OUT.

>> Ted: THAT'S IT.

PANEL, GREAT DISCUSSION AND GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

MORE DEBATES NEXT WEEK, INCLUDING A DEBATE FOR CD5, THE SECRETARY OF STATE DEBATE AND THAT'S NEXT WEEK.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!