>> Ted: IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND KANSAS CITYTABLE WITH THE POSSIBILITIES OF ANOTHER REPUBLICAN RUNNING FOR K K KIRSTEN SINEMA'S SEAT.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND JOINING YOU TONIGHT IS HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPTIOL MEDIA SERVICES, LAURIE ROBERTS OF AZ CENTRAL AND JIM SMALL OF THE ARIZONA MIRROR.

HOW WRITE, WE'LLIE, THEY WANT TO RUN THEIR REFERENCE PRIMARY ELECTION NEXT YEAR.

WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT?

>> WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE HOWIE FISCHER WON'T BE LAUNCHING.

THIS GOES BACK TO THE VASCAN CONSPIRACIES THAT THERE WAS FRAUD IN THE 2020 ELECTION AND THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS REALLY ELECT AND THERE WAS FRAUD IN 2022 THAT KARI LAKE WAS ELECTED.

THEY SAY WE WANT A PRIMARY, ONE DAY, ONE BALLOT AND NO EARLY VOTING AND HAND COUNTS.

ALL VERY NICE AND SO THEY APPROACH THE STATE PARTY WHICH HAS TO DECIDE, HAD TO DECIDE, ACTUALLY, BY 5:00 TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO OPT OUT OF THE STATE-RUN PRIMARY.

ONLY THING IS THEY WANTED TO UNTIL LAST SATURDAY AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT 30 DAY'S NOTICE.

THEN THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF HOW DO YOU DO THIS AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN?

THEY WANTED 1700 VOTING PRECINCTS AROUND THE STATE AND THEY WERE TALKING TEN TO 13 TO $15 MILLION AND THIS IS A PARTY WITH $200 MILLION IN THE BANK.

>> Ted: THIS IS A STATE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND MARICOPA COUNTY, WHAT DON'T THEY THINK WOULD HAPPEN?

IF THEY RAN THEIR OWN.

>> THE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO WIN WILL WIN, I GUESS.

I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A CONCEPTION OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RUN AN ELECTION.

HERE IS WHERE I GOT IT DIFFERENT.

I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IN THIS DAY AND AGE WHEN MOST VOTERS ARE MIGRATING OUT OF THE PARTIES, WHY ARE TAXPAYERS FOOTING THE BILL FOR REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC REFERENCE PRIMARIES WHEN A THIRD WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT CAN'T ATTEND?

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE FUNDING THEIR OWN PRIMARY AND IT'S AN INTERNAL PARTY RACE AND WHY ARE WE INVOLVED?

>> Ted: IF THEY INTERNALLY FUND IT AND IT WINDS UP BEING A HALFWAY OPERATION, WHAT GOOD IS THAT?

WHAT DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH?

>> I GUESS THEY WOULD GET WHO THEY WANT TO WIN BECAUSE THINK THINK THEY CAN STAFF 1700 PRECINCTS AND STAFF IT WITH, I GUESS, VOLUNTEERS WHO WILL SOMEHOW UNDERSTAND HOW TO COUNT THESE VOTES, COUNT THEM ACCURATELY AND WE KNOW THE HAND COUNTS ARE NOT AS ACCURATE AS MACHINES BECAUSE HUMAN BEING BEINGS AREN'T AS GOOD AS MACHINES.

IF ANYTHING ELSE, THEY'LL HAVE A NEW-FOUND APPRECIATION FOR HOW DIFFICULT THIS IS.

>> Ted: I THINK THE MARICOPA COUNTY CHAIR SAYS THESE ACTIONS ARE TAKEN THIS SOLIDARITY WITH DONALD TRUMP.

I SAW THAT AND THOUGHT, WHAT?

ISN'T THIS SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN, A PRIMARY WHERE IT'S UNBIASED AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND UNBIASED TO ME.

>> THE MARICOPA COUNTY, CRAIG BERLIN SEEMS TO KNOW WHO HE SUPPORTS.

IN TERMS OF WHETHER THE PARTIES ARE ACTUALLY TAKING STEPS TO ENDORSE AND TO ADVOCATE FOR SPECIFIC CANDIDATES, THAT'S A BIND WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND EVEN FROM THE R & C,NC BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO TROT DONALD TRUMP OUT THERE AND SAY HE'S OUR NOMINEE LIKE HE WAS IN 2020.

THERE'S A HUGE IN HOW MUCH THIS WILL COST AND THE LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE WOULD LOOK LICK.

JEFF DEWITT SAYING THIS IS A NIGHTMARE AND COST $15 MILLION AND THEN BERLIN SAYING OH, LET'S THAN THAT.

NEITHER SIDE IS THOUGHING THEIR MATH AS TO HOW THEY GOT TO WHERE THEY ARE.

COMMON SENSE DICTATES WE KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN AN ELECTION AND THAT 13 TO $15 NUMBER IS A LOT MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST FOR THE COST OF THE STAFF OF RENTING PLACES, OF, YOU KNOW, STORAGE AND THE SECURITY, THAT I DON'T THINK THE PARTY IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT.

>> WHAT'S LOST HERE, 80 POSITION 80% 90% OF ARIZONANS LIKE VOTING EARLY.

NO-EXCUSE EARLY VOTING.

THE ARGUMENT IS, WELL, THAT'S SUBJECT TO FRAUD AND LORD KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS.

THE U.S.

POSTAL SERVICE IS HOLDING THOSE ENVELOPES UP TO THE LIGHT, I'M SURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IF YOU MAKE PEOPLE GO TO THE POLLS AND GO TO THEIR OWN PRECINCT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO TO THE POLLS, YOU CAN GO TO ANY VOTING CENTER, YOU WILL CUT TURNOUT.

WHO DOES THAT BENEFIT?

PROBABLY THE FOLKS WHO HAVE THE MOST RABID SUPPORTERS.

IS THAT DONALD TRUMP?

PROBABLY.

SO YOU END UP SKEWING THE ELECTION BY MAKING IT HARDER FOR SOME PEOPLE TO GET OUT AND VOTE.

>> YOU TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT COSTS ONE MILLION DOLLARS OR $15 MILLION AND IT'S IRRELEVANT.

TRADITIONAL REPUBLICAN FUNDRAISERS HAS GIVEN UP ON THE PARTY APPARATUS AND NOT GOING THERE.

THE OTHER QUESTION HERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND WHATEVER MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO RUN A CAMPAIGN OR A PRIMARY THAT REALLY THE STATE SHOULD BE RUNNING IF YOU GO BY WHAT WE'VE ALL DONE, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM TO ACTUALLY PROMOTE THE CANDIDATES THAT WIN?

WE'VE GOT A HUGE ELECTION COMING UP IN NOVEMBER AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MONEY WITH WHICH TO PROMOTE THEIR PEOPLE.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT RAISED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING, WAIT A SECOND, YOU KNOW, ROBERT GRAHAM, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE PARTY, WAIT, IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY THERE, WHY AREN'T WE SPENDING IT PROMOTING OR CANDIDATES AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING PROFORMA TO SEE, OH, MAYBE THIS PROOF WORKS.

>> Ted: THEY CALLED IT A PUBLICITY STUNT.

>> IT'S A WAY FOR THE COUNTY PARTY AND REFERRING TO IS THE COUNTY PARTY TRYING TO GET ATTENTION AND TRYING TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS FRAUD IN 2020 AND IN 2022 AND THEY'RE ABLE TO SIGNAL, HEY, WE'RE THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IN ELECTION INTEGRITY AND ELECTION SECURITY BY THE PROPOSAL THEY'RE PUTTING FORWARD.

>> WHAT'S INTERESTING, DE,WITT SAID TO THE COUNTY, TELL YOU WHAT, YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR OWN KITTY PRIMARY AND I KNOW THEY DON'T CALL IT THAT.

YOU WANT TO DO THAT IN PARALLEL AND SET UP PRECINCTS BUT ONLY HERE IN MARICOPA COUNTY AND DO YOUR PROOF OF CONCEPT, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT THE VOTES WON'T COUNT.

EVEN IF IT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE STATE-RUN PRIMARY AND COUNTY PRIMARY, IT'S OWN THE STATE-RUN PRIMARY THAT'S DOING IT.

>> Ted: LAURIE, IF THE DEMOCRATS WERE IN CHARGE OF THIS, THEY COULDN'T DO A BETTER JOB OF SINKING REPUBLICAN HOPE.

WHAT ARE THEY THINKING THINK?

>> THE PARTY ITSELF IS IN THE GRIP OF THE FAR RIGHT WING.

I LOOKED UP THE BOARD AND I SAW THE NAME "LIZ HARRIS" AND I THOUGHT AH-HA.

SHE WAS THE EXPELLED LEGISLATOR AND BEFORE THAT, SHE WAS A CONSPIRACY BUFF AND SHE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE KNOCK ON DOORS TO SEE IF THERE WERE VOTERS THERE AND PRODUCED THIS REPORT.

HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY IT TOOK PEOPLE TO DEBUNK THAT?

MAYBE FIVE, TEN MINUTES OR SO.

BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SAD IF THE NUMBER OF HOLES AND EXECUTION.

THE IDEA OF HER PUTTING ON A PRIMARY IS LEWD RUSS.

LUDICROUS.

>> YOU HAVEN'T SEEN TWO THOUSAND MULES AND THE ABSOLUTE PROOF?

>> WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE THOSE MULES COUNTING VOTES.

[ Laughter ] >> LET'S SAY THEY HAVE FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE AT 1700 PRECINCTS OR HOWEVER MANY, HOW MANY WILL SHOW UP?

WILL THEY BE TRAINED AND STAY FROM BEFORE 6:00 A.M.

IN THE MORNING BEFORE THE POLLS OPEN UNTIL 7:00 P.M. AT NIGHT?

I GUESS THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OWN RULES AND STAY LATE TO COUNT THE VOTES.

>> IT'S MORE THAN THAT.

YOU NEED WARM UP OR TWO TO SIGN THEM IN.

>> NOT NECESSARILY.

THEY WILL DO THEREON THEIR OWN RULES.

>> IF YOU DO COUNTING, YOU NEED MORE THAN ONE AND I HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN.

BUT THE FACT IS, IF YOU GO TO DO IT RIGHT AND WANT PEOPLE TO TRUST RESULTS, YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ONE PERSON AT THE DOOR AND ONE PERSON SAYING, OH, I'M COUNTING.

>> YOU CAN IF YOU'RE THEM.

THEY CAN TO WHATEVER THEY WANT IF THEY'RE RUNNING THEIR OWN PRIMARY LEX.

ELECTION.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TRAIN LEFT THE STATION WITHOUT ANY PASSENGERS ON IT.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A KARI LAKE AND A BLAKE MASTERS, PERHAPS AND WHOEVER LOST THAT PRIMARY AND THEY WOULD HAVE ALL SORTS OF REASONS TO QUESTION IT AND GO OVER IT.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PRESIDENTIAL -- >> Ted: I'M SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A NICE CLEVER BRIDGE TO BLAKE MASTERS AND I BLEW IT.

LET'S GO TO BLAKE MATTERS, IS HE RUNNING FOR THE SENATE?

>> APPARENTLILY HE'S ABOUT TO.

THERE'S A REPORT ABOUT HOW BLAKE MASTERS, WHO HAS BEEN COORDINATE QUIET AND HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FROM HIM FOLLOWING THE ELECTION AND GEARING UP TO RUN IN 2024, IN THE KYRSTEN SINEMA SENATE SEAT WHICH WOULD PUT HIM IN A PRIMARY WITH MARK LAMB RIGHT NOW AND MOST EXPECTEDLY WITH KARI LAKE WHO IS WIDELY VIEWED AS BEING READY TO NOUN HER CAMPAIGN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

>> Ted: LETLET'S CONTINUE WITH MY FRACTURED ATTEMPT.

REGARDLESS, THERE'S A PRIMARY AND IF THOSE THREE CANDIDATES ARE THERE, DO YOU THINK ANY OF THE LOSERS WILL ACCEPT A ACCEPT A LOSS?

>> WE'RE FIGHTING OVER THE 2020 ELECTION AND LOOK, THIS IS THE NEW REALITY HERE, WHICH IS AWFULLY SAD FOR THE STATE OF AFFAIRS IN ARIZONA WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE AND WE'LL TALK LATER ABOUT PEOPLE THREATENING ELECTION OFFICIALS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, OH, THIS IS WRONG, PLOTS ARE BALLOTS ARE WRONG AND PEOPLE MARCHING WITH FULL BATTLE GEAR AND GUNS AND BULLET PROOF VESTS AND PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO TRUST THE SYSTEM?

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESTORE CONFIDENCE IN TO MAKE IT OPEN.

I DO BELIEVE THE ELECTION OFFICIALS HAVE TRIED.

THEY'VE TRIED TO SAY, LOOK, COME SEE WHAT WE DO.

>> LET BE HONEST HERE, THERE IS A WHOLE MONEY-MAKING OPERATION IN SPREADING FEAR ABOUT THE ELECTION SYSTEM, THAT IT'S BEEN TARGETED TO JUST NOT WORK FOR ANYONE.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS GOING TO RESTORE FAITH IN THE SYSTEM IS KARI LAKE WINNING BECAUSE OTHERWISE SHE'LL COMPLAIN AND HER PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN THE FIX WAS IF AND THEY DON'T NEED EVIDENCE BECAUSE THEIR PEOPLE DON'T REQUIRE EVIDENCE OR THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE BAG YEARS AGO.

THE ONLY WAY IT'S FIXED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF STOPPING THIS CATERWALLING IS THEM WINNING.

HOW MANY TIMES DOES THE DONKEY HAVE TO KICK YOU IN THE HEAD BEFORE YOU FIGURE OUT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

>> Ted: BACK TO MASTERS, MASTERS VERSUS LAKE, WHO WILL GET THE ENDORSEMENT?

>> I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING RACE, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLIES IN 2020.

AFTER THE PRIMARIES, THEY COVERED THE STATE AND OFTEN ON THE SAME STAGE.

THEY WERE ALLIES.

AND SO TO SEE THEM RUNNING UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, KARI LAKE WOULD BE THE ODDS ON FAVORITE AND HEAVY FAVORITE, I WOULD IMAGINE, AS SHE HAS A FIRM GRIP, THINK, ON THE REPUBLICAN ELECTORATE IN ARIZONA.

BLAKE MASTERS GOT THROUGH HIS PRIMARY AND IT WAS CROWDED AND IT WASN'T AN OVERWHELMING VICTORY.

HE LOST PRETTY BADLY.

HE LOST WORSE THAN KARI LAKE DID IN THAT ELECTION.

SO I THINK THAT SIGNALED HE HAD MORE WEAKNESS AND SOFTNESS AMONG SOME REPUBLICANS AND AMONG INDEPENDENTS WHICH CHANGED THE DYNAMIC FOR THIS PRIMARY.

SHE BEEN ATTACKING HIM SAYING HE'S INSUFFICIENTLY LOUD.

HER FIRST ATTACK WAS LAST WEEK ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND BEFORE THAT, HER PEOPLE WERE QUIETLY SPREADING THE WORD HE'S SELFISH AND SHOULDN'T BE IN THE RACE.

HE MAY NOT WANT TO FACE HER HEAD--TO HEAD.

I THINK WHOEVER GETS THAT TRUMP NOMINATION OR TRUMP NOD WILL HAVE THE NOMINATION.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH A TRUMP NOMINATION?

IT WASN'T BEEN A GREAT PIECE OF CURRENCY TO HAVE IN YOUR HIP POCKET.

>> Ted: IS MASTERS RAISING MONEY WHERE HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT?

>> THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT LAURIE WAS SAYING, WHAT DOES TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT CARRY?

DONALD TRUMP SAYS DO THIS AND THEY WILL DO THAT.

A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS LOOKING AT WHO IS ELECTABLE AGAINST R REUBEN GALLEGO AND DO THEY SEE BLAKE AS MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BROAD MAJORITY THAN THEY DO KARI?

I DON'T KNOW.

>> TWO YEARS AGO, HE WAS ONE OF THE TRUMP MOB -- HE WAS THE ONE UNLIKE KARI LAKE WHO TRIED TO MOVE TO THE CENTER AND TRYING TO MASSAGE HIS POSITIONS ONLY THINGS LIKE ELECTION REFORM AND WAS THE ELECTION STOLEN AND ABORTION.

SO YOU COULD SEE THAT HE UNDERSTOOD -- SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO THE MILL, TO MIDDLE TO BROADEN HIS SUPPORT.

IT'S HER BRAND SHE NEVER WILL GET THAT AND DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT THEM FILM.

>> IT MAY NOT MATTER IN A PRIMARY PIECE.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT HE'LL KNOW THAT IF YOU GO FULL TILT TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE WIN A GENERAL ELECTION AND IF YOU DON'T, KARI LAKE WILL KILL YOU.

>> Ted: YOU HAD AN INTERESTING IDEA FOR ANOTHER POSSIBLE CANDIDATE FOR THIS RACE.

>> AND YEAH, MORE WISHFUL THINKING BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT YOU HAVE THE FAR RIGHT FIGHTING FOR PROMINENCE IN THAT LANE, IT LEAVES A COUPLE OTHER LANES OPEN.

WOULDN'T IT BE NIGHT IF NICE, GIVEN THIS IS A TWO OR THREE-PEOPLE RACE BETWEEN THE SAME POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY, IF YOU GOT SOMEBODY, A MORE TRADITIONAL PERSON IN THERE AND THE NAME RUSTY BOWERS CAME TO MY MIND.

>> Ted: WHAT RESPONSES HAVE YOU GOTTEN?

>> FROM REPUBLICANS SAYING THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA AND TO DEMOCRATS SAYING, THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA TO, YEAH, I LIKE THAT.

>> Ted: KYRSTEN SINEMA'S ASSET AND'S SEATAND SHE HAS NOT ANNOUNCED ONE OF THE TOP RECIPIENTS OF PRIVATE PRISON MONIES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SURPRISING?

>> LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS, I THINK A LOT OF THINGS STAND IN CONTRAST WITH HER RECORD AND CAMPAIGNING AS U.S.

SENATOR AND CONGRESS PERSON VERSUS THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

IF YOU GO BACK TO 2006 AND THINK OF THE KYRSTEN SINEMA IN THE ARIZONA STATE HOUSE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE.

BUT IN 2023, THAT FITS THE NARRATIVE AND HER CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN FINISHED BY WALL STREET AND BIG PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES AND A LOT OF DEEP-POCKETED ORGANIZATIONS THAT REALLY RELY A LOT ON THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP SORT OF CRAFT THEIR INDUSTRIES AND PRIVATE PRISONS IS AT THE TOP OF THE PILE.

>> Ted: THIS IS NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY IN THE GRAN SCHEMEGRANTHEBIG GRAND OF THINGS.

>> TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL NEGOTIATE PRICES ON TEN PRESCRIPTIONS AND SINEMA HAS TAKEN SO MUCH PAWN MONEY FROM THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, WAIT, WHY IS SHE TAKING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CHARGE ME $30 A PILL?

>> Ted: LIKE YOU DID AN AD RIGHT THERE.

IMPACT ON THE RACE?

>> BUT ON PRIVATE -- >> Ted: ALL OF IT, PHARMA, PRISONS, ALL OF IT.

>> IT DEPENDS WHERE WE ARE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AND THE PRISON MONEY I DON'T THINK WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR HER BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO DESPISE PRIVATE PRISONS ARE DEMOCRATS.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT REPUBLICANS?

WILL THEY VEER TOWARDS HER FOR THIS?

>> I THINK THE ARIZONA SUPREME COURT WILL TAKE UP THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS ARIZONA'S ABORTION LAW?

THE 15-WEEK LAW OR TERITORIAL BAN ON ABORTION?

THEY'RE HAVING THEIR ARGUMENTS IN DECEMBER, I BELIEVE, WHICH WOULD MEAN JANUARY TO JUNE OR JULY, WE COULD HAVE A RULING FROM THEM.

IF THEY IMPOSE THE 1800 AND WHATEVER IT WAS TERRITORIAL BAN, I THINK KYRSTEN SINEMA IS SITTING PRETTY WELL.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WILL WANT TO PURSUE THOSE CASES AND HOW THE GOVERNOR WILL.

DON'T WANT TO GO BACK DOWN THAT TRAIL.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO KARI LAKE AND INSPECTING THE EARLY SIGNATURES.

IS THIS STILL GOING ON?

>> WELL, IT IS STILL GOING ON AND SHE HAS ARGUED ALL ALONG THE SIGNATURE VERIFICATION SYSTEM WAS FLAWED.

I WAS BASED ON MAP.

THERE WERE 170,000 BALLOTS CHECKED IN FLY THREE SECONDS AND THE JUDGMENT SAID TELL ME WHERE I NEED TIME TO CHECK SIGNATURE VERSUS SIGNATURE ON A EXPOSURE SCREEN.

A COMPUTER SCENE.

THE JUDGE WILL DECIDE, ARE THESE PUBLIC RECORDS.

THERE'S REASONS YOU DON'T WANT THESE INTO THE FLOW.

SO LET'S ASSUME SHE GETS THEM AND LET'S EVEN ASSUME THREE CAN SHOW THERE ARE 30,000 SIGNATURES THAT DO NOT MATCH.

SO WHAT?

SHE DID NOT RAISE THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE BELOW.

WHEN YOU FILE AN APPEAL, YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE YOUR ISSUES.

YOU CAN'T BRING IN NEW STUFF NOW.

>> EVEN IF SHE COULD FIND THAT, THE MOMENT THAT SIGNATURES ARE VERIFIED, THAT BALLOT IS TAKEN APART FROM THAT ENVELOPE FROM THE BALLOT.

IF SHE SAID, HERE ARE THREE THOUSAND SIGNATURES THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE PEOPLE VOTED FOR AND THEREFORE -- THE ONLY ISSUE FOR HER IS, DID SHE GET 17,500 OR HOWEVER MANY VOTES MORE THAN REPORTED SUCH THAT SHE SHOULD BE OR GOVERNOR?

>> THEORETICALLY IF THE 17,117 AND 50,000, SHE COULD SAY IT THROWS IT INTO THAT AND THEREFORE, WE SHOULD RERUN THE ELECTS.

THAT'S WHAT ABE HAMADEH IS DOING.

SAME THING HAMADEH IS RUNNING INTO PROBLEMS TALKING ABOUT THE PROVISIONAL BALLOTS.

YOU DIDN'T RAISE IT BELOW AND YOU CAN'T SAY, WAIT, I HAVE NEW INFORMATION, YOUR HONOR.

>> Ted: TRYING TO CONNECT FRACTURED CONNECTIONS.

>> YES.

>> Ted: TWO-DAY HEARING SET FOR THIS?

>> YEAH, AND SO AGAIN, THE ISSUE HERE IS IT'S AN ELECTION-RELATED AND NOT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ELECTION ITSELF OR THE RESULTS.

IT IS LIMITED TO THIS ISSUE OF ARE THESE SIGNATURES PUBLIC RECORD AND DOES THE COUNTY, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO TURN THEM OVER?

>> Ted: JIM, A SENTENCE IN IOWA, I BELIEVE, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AFTER PLEADING GUILTY FOR THREATENING SUPERVISOR HICKMAN AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BRNOVICH, AS WELL, RATE?

>> RIGHT?

>> ONE OF THE HANDFUL THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BUT YEAH, THIS WAS A MAN WHO CALLED THE MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER -- SORRY CLINT HICKMAN, MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND SAID, YOU'LL DIE.

WE'LL HANG YOU AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A POS.

AND SIMILAR MESSAGE TO MARK BRNOVICH ON HIS PHONE THAT YOU BETTER DO THE RIGHT THING AND WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE OR YOU'LL BE STRUNG UP AND WE'LL LYNCH YOU.

THE FBI AND LOCAL POLICE TRACKED THIS PERSON DOWN AND TURNS OUT IT'S A MID50s MAN FROM IOWA WHO IS NOW IN PRISON.

>> THE STUPIDITY OF CRATING STUPID ACTS.

WHAT PART OF CALLER I.D.

AND TRACKING TEXTS DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND?

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE TAKING PIECES OUT THE OLD "LIFE" MAGAZINE AND PUTTING THEM ON A RAMSOMERAMSOME NOTE PRESIDENT.

>> ONE OF THE INTERESTING THING AT THE HEARING AND HE APOLOGIZED AND SAID HE WAS INUNDATED WITH BAD INFORMATION AND THAT'S WHY HE DID THIS.

I THINK THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PROSECUTED 12 PEOPLE FOR THIS SORT OF ELECTION TERRORISM, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT OR THREATS.

WHAT I'M WAITING FOR IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THROWN AROUND THAT ELECTION MISINFORMATION TO TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP AND TO CONDEMN WHAT HAPPENED IN THESE CASES.

YOU GET PLAN GENERIC CASES OF, OF COURSE, WE DON'T ADVOCATE FOR VIOLENCE.

HERE IS AN ATTORNEY WHO MADE THIS, A MAN WHO HAD ISSUES IN HIS LIFE AND INUNDATED WITH BAD INFORMATION AND TERRORIZED THESE PEOPLE AND KEPT UP AT NIGHT WONDERING IF THEY WOULD BE LUNCHED.

LYNCHED.

THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL.

>> WE'RE INTO THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND MY RIGHT TO SPREAD MISINFORMATION AND KARI LAKE'S TO SPREAD MY INFORMATION.

MISINFORMATION.

>> THE FACT THAT THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING CAUSE REAL PAIN.

>> Ted: TWO AND A HALF YEARS IF PRISON FOR TELLING SUPERVISOR HICKMAN YOU'RE GOING TO DIE AND HANG AND TELLING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, DO YOUR JOB OR HANG?

>> THEY CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS ONE AND LIKELY OTHER ONES THAT ARE COMING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM SOON.

THIS ISN'T THE LAST TIME WE'LL BE HEARING ABOUT SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, FACING TRIAL OR FACING A PRISON SENTENCE BECAUSE OF THREATS OF VIOLENCE THEY MADE AGAINST PEOPLE WHO THEY THINK WERE INVOLVED IN THE ELECTION.

>> Ted: WE SHOULD MENTION SUPERVISOR HICKMAN SAID THE JUDGE WANTED TO SEND A MESSAGE AND BECAUSE OF THIS SENTENCE.

THINK HE CALLED FOR LEAN YEN LENIENCY.

THANK YOU, PANEL.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

>> Ted: AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEK.