
Journalists' Roundtable 9-19-2025
Season 2025 Episode 185 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
It's Friday which means it is time for another edition of Journalists' Roundtable.
This week, "Arizona Horizon" host Ted Simons was joined by Dennis Welch of "AZ Family," Camryn Sanchez of "KJZZ," and Ray Stern of "The Arizona Republic" and azcentral.com.
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Journalists' Roundtable 9-19-2025
Season 2025 Episode 185 | 27mVideo has Closed Captions
This week, "Arizona Horizon" host Ted Simons was joined by Dennis Welch of "AZ Family," Camryn Sanchez of "KJZZ," and Ray Stern of "The Arizona Republic" and azcentral.com.
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IT'S THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S STORIES AND THE STATE'S ATTEMPT TO BAN OFFENSIVE SPEECH AT POLLING PLACES.
THAT'S UP NEXT AT ARIZONA HORIZON.
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>>> GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.
I'M TED SIMONS.
IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST ROUND TABLE.
JOINING US FROM CBS 5.
KAREN FROM ZZ RADIO.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
NINE CIRCUITS AND FREE SPEECH.
>> IT'S SO MUCH TALK ABOUT FREE SPEECH YOU MIGHT TRY TO DO SOMETHING GOOD AND STOP HATEFUL SPEECH OR SPEECH YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE.
IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
>> VIOLENT OR THREATENING SPEECH OR INCORRECT SPEECH.
LIKE IF PEOPLE R OUTSIDE SAYING TODAY'S NOT ELECTION DAY AND GO DOWN THE BLOCK.
THE COURT SAID IT'S NOT ILLEGAL TO BE A JERK.
SAY WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT TO OR SOMETHING REALLY BAD THAT HAPPENS IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
>> IT ALSO SAID IT'S TOO BROAD.
>> ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THE JUDGE LOOKED AT THE LAW FOR THE ELECTION PROCEDURE MANAGEMENT RULE.
THEY HAVE AN ATTEMPT AND THE EFFECT OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING COULD LEAD TO A VIOLATION.
YOU COULD HAVE PASSIVE HARASSMENT.
YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S HARASSMENT BUT IF THEY WEAR A SHIRT OR SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE FINDS HOR RASING YOU COULD MAKE A VIOLATION TOWARDS THAT AND THAT'S ONE REASON SHE DIDN'T LIKE IT.
>> WHAT IS OFFENSIVE SPEECH OR HOW WELL INTENTIONED.
IT'S INTENTIONS WERE YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THE JUDGE CAME DOWN HERE AND SAID, LOOK, WE CAN'T DO IT THE WAY WE WANT TO, TRY AGAIN.
>> THIS WAS THE UNANIMOUS THREE RULING.
DOES IT EXCEED STATE LAW.
>> WHAT THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO.
THIS IS NOT THE COMPLETE END OF THE FIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO NOTE SEVERAL ARGUMENTS AND SEPARATE LAWSUIT AS WELL.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISHMENT THE PART ABOUT COUNTY VOTES WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO.
DO THEY NOT INCLUDE THE VOTES IN THE GENERAL TALLY.
IN THE EPM THAT TASK FORCE A LAW.
TOO BAD SO SAD.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE.
>> I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT DISEN DIS ENFRANCHISED VOTERS.
>> CHALLENGES HAD NO STANDING HOW DOES IT PLAY INTO THIS.
>> I WOULDN'T SAY WHAT THE JUDGE MEANT.
WE HAD THIS COUNTY SITUATION.
>> DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENED?
>> TWO OF THE SUPERVISORS DECIDED THEY WON'T MAKE THE ELECTION OFFICIAL BECAUSE THEY HAD QUESTIONS.
THEY WERE NOT QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY.
THEY HAD ISSUES WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON.
A JUDGE ORDERED THEM TO MAKE 23 THE COUNTY HAD BEEN REMOVED.
SOME WOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT.
>> DOES THAT NOT MAKE THEM THINK THERE ARE OTHER METHODS TO HANDLE THIS.
YOU HAVE TO GET THE NUMBERS AND RESULTS IN.
>> TO QUESTION THE LEGAL ARGUMENTS.
THEY SAY COURTS LOVE TO HAVE DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS.
THAT'S WHY THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE.
THEY SAY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THE VOTES WERE COUNTED.
I WENT IS FINE POTENTIALLY.
BRINGING UP A GOOD POINT.
ANOTHER COUNTY TRIED TO DO THAT AND MAZE SAID I WILL SUE ALL OF YOU.
THEY CERTIFIED THE RESULTS WITHOUT DELAY.
>> THE LAST POINT.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS GOING ON.
REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE ANYTHING WITH VOCABULARY.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS AND THERE ARE CONCERNS.
>> THERE ARE AND SOME OF THEM ARE LEGITIMATEMENT.
ADRIENE AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SOME THINGS COULD BE CHANGED AND.
THERE IS ANOTHER LAWSUIT GOING ON.
FIVE OR SIX POINTS THEY POINTED OUT.
THERE ARE DROP BOX ISSUES AND TIMING ISSUES.
THEY HOLD THE FORCE OF LAW.
THEY TICKED UP WHAT THE DEMOCRAT IS PUTTING TOGETHER.
>> WE HAD AN EXECUTIVE ORDER OR CONVID COVID-19 VACCINES.
LET'S MAKE THEM AVAILABLE.
>> THIS IS A RESPONSE FROM RFK JR.
OUT THERE.
YOU NOTICE A LOT OF OTHER DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
GOVERNOR HOBBSS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO.
MAKE SURE THEY GET THE COVID-19 VACCINATION THEY WILL BE ABLE TO WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW.
I BELIEVE, OWN THE FEDERAL LEVEL THERE WAS GUIDANCE PUT OUT THERE.
HOBBSS WANTED TO GET OUT IN FRONT.
>> TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.
THIS IS A MANDATE TO KEEP IT ACCESSIBLE TO ARIZONANS.
>> THE PHARMACY DEPARTMENTS WERE ALL IN THE ORDER AND MAKE SURE IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND MAKE SURE IT'S THERE.
>> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF POPULAR INTERESTS TO GET THE VACCINE IF YOU WANT IT.
IF THEY DON'T, FINE.
THE NEW RULES COMING OUT OF THE CDC MADE A LOT OF PEOPLE WORRIED THEY COILEDN'T GET THE SHOT.
ONE OF THE RULES, I THINK IT'S IN EFFECT IF IT'S UNDER65.
DOES THE STANDING ORDER COUNT.
IS THAT WHY IT WAS PUT IN PLACE DO WE KNOW?
>> I CAN SEE THIS BEING CHALLENGED SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS I HAVE OWN THIS.
WHETHER THAT WORKS OWN THE PRESCRIPTION.
>> INSTEAD OF THE CDC EVERYONE SEEMS TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FEAR OF PROVIDE VACCINE.
INSTEAD OF BEING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDANCE.
THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE CDC AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUGGESTS.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.
CAMERON, WE'LL START WITH YOU.
SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO RENAME THE LOOP 202 FROMs TO CHARLIE KIRK.
>> THAT'S WARREN PETERSON.
OBVIOUS LIZ A REPUBLICAN.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SUGGESTED MEMORIALS IN THE WAKE OF HIS DEATH.
THIS WAS NEAR THEIR FIRST OFFICE.
WHEN KIRK FIRST CAME HERE AND DECIDED TO MAKE IT THEIR BASE.
THAT'S THE REASONING.
>> THE LOOP 202 HAD THREE OFFICIAL DESIGNATIONS.
THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART.
HOW WOULD THIS WORK.
IT'S NAMED FROM THE ROAD THAT GOT THE FUNDING TO BUILD THE STORM ROAD.
>> ISN'T THE -- I THOUGHT IT WAS THE RED MOUNTAIN STRETCH.
MAYBE NOT.
>> I SPOKE TO PRESIDENT PETERSON.
THE ENTIRE LOOP 202.
>> PEOPLE ARE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.
>> IT'S THE 202.
>> IT'S ALL THE SAME THING.
IT WOULD BE CALLED THE PECULIARLY KIRK MEMORIAL.
>> HE SAID IT WOULD DEFINITELY PASS THE LEGISLATURE.
>> DEFIES NATALIE PASS KATIE HOBBSS.
>> I WOULD ASIA ASSUME SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT.
IT'S A TOUCHY SUBJECT IT WOULD BE A FACETY FIGHT.
SHE CHOSE NOT TO MAKE THE RECOGNITION.
AS DENNIS MENTIONED.
IT'S WORTH NOTING.
DOES THAT MEAN WE STRIP IT OF THE NAME LIKE A MARRIED COUPLE.
>> I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE TWO FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ONE ANOTHER.
>> PUT IT INTO CONGRESS.
HONOR THE WORK OF CHARLIE KIRK.
>> THIS WAS ON OCTOBER 14th.
THIS WITHHOLD HAVE BEEN HIS 22nd BIRTHDAY.
WILL THIS STILL BE THE T-SHIRT SPIRIT OF THAT COME JANUARY.
YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I KNOW THEY DON'T COME BACK TO WORK UNTIL MID-JANUARY.
WE WILL START WORKING ON THIS.
IS THE SPIRIT TO MEMORIALIZE AND REMEMBER CHARLIE KIRK GOING TO BE THERE?
>> THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.
THIS IS WHERE IT IS NOW AND STILL PRETTY RAW.
DOES ITSELF PASS THE LEGISLATURE?
DOES IT PASS THE GOVERNORS DESK?
>> THE PUBLIC WILL WEIGH-IN ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
TIME WILL CLEAR HEADS ABOUT THE FREEWAY ISSUE.
MAYBE APART FROM OR GIVE A LIT.
TIME FROM KIRK'S DEATH.
YEAH, I ASKED PETERSON IF HE THOUGHT KIRK WAS TOO DIVISIVE OR HAS DIVIDED OPINIONS ABOUT HIM, OBVIOUSLY.
HE SAID HE WASN'T DIVISIVE BUT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HIM EITHER.
>> IT'S WORTH POINTING OUT PETERSON IS RUNNING FOR STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL RAL AND TURNING PAINTIESTA.
THE OREGON KIRK COFOUNDED.
AN IMPORTANT PIECE IN REPUBLICAN POLITICS AND CAMPAIGNING OUT THERE.
I CAN'T HELP BUT DIVORCE SOME OF THAT.
AS IT MOVES FORWARD.
>> I STRONGLY SUSPECT THEY WILL CONTINUE THIS MOMENTUM, PERSONALLY.
THERE WILL BE MORE STATUES AND MEDALS.
>> IT'S BEEN FLOATED HE WILL INTRODUCE A BILL THAT WILL MAKE IT A DEATH PENALTY.
IF THEY LIVE IF THE PERPETRATOR WOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON.
OF HE SAID THAT WAS THE MORE IMPORTANT PROVISION.
>> THE COMMUNITY CENTER WILL BE RENAMED.
MUNICIPALITIES CAN GO CRAZY.
THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
>> YEP.
>> AND AGAIN, IS THERE GOING TO BE A POINT WHERE SOMEONE SAID WE NAMED ENOUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN.
WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AND PEOPLE FEEL THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I THINK, TO MEMORIALIZE THIS GUYS LIFE AND WORK.
IT'S CONTROVERSIAL AS HIS LIFE AND WORK MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
>> WE HAVE A BIG MEMORIAL SERVICE COMING UP.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THIS.
>> I SPOKE TO GLENDALE P. THEY ARE THE LEAD IN THIS.
ANY TIME THE PRESIDENT COMES OUT AND SPEAKS.
GLENDALE P.D.
TOLD ME THEY ARE EXPECTING 100,000 PEOPLE TO COME OUT ON SUNDAY TO TRY TO GET INTO THE BUILDING THERE.
ITSELF WILL BE A LOT OF SECURITY OUT THERE AND IT'S A BIG EVENT.
THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS OFFENSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CABINET WILL BE OUT SPEAKING ABOUT KIRK AND WHAT ELSE.
IT WILL BE A BIG EVENT AND A LOT OF SECURITY AND HIGH PROFILE.
>> ARIZONA IS DEFINITELY A FOCAL POINT THERE.
>> DID CITY COUNCIL DO A BIT OF A PUNT WITH THIS CHALLENGE OF THE STATE LAW REGARDING THAT.
GIVE US THE BACKGROUND AND WHAT DID THE COUNCIL DO.
>> OKAY, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG FIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE BEST KNOWN FOR.
>> I THINK THE HOTEL.
THEY WANTED TO DO THAT THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL.
IF THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE IT.
>> THEY SEE REALLY HATE THAT.
THEY SAID NO.
>> TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAID YES.
NOW SCOTTSDALE WOULD LIKE TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE LAW GOING INTO EFFECT NEXT WEEK ON THE 26th.
THEY CAN DO THAT.
INSTEAD OF FILING THE LAWSUIT, THEY FILED A NOTICE OF CLAIM.
>> YES.
>> IT'S A PRELIM STEP.
THEY CAN FILE THE LAWSUIT BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET.
THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE IT VIOLATES THE GIFT CLAUSE.
IT'S A GIANT HANDOUT TO A COMPANY.
IT WON'T BENEFIT US.
>> THIS IS UP NEAR HAYDN AND THE LOOP 101.
THIS IS WHERE THIS WOULD BE.
LUCKRY HOTEL NEARLY 2,000 APARTMENTS.
THE IDEA OF REFERENDUM RIGHTS.
IF THEY SAY X AND STATE LAW SAYS Y. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT.
>> THERE WOULD BE MORE PEOPLE AGAINST THE LAW.
THEY BRING IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TO THE STATE.
DEMOCRATS WERE FOR THE BILL.
IT DOES DISEN DIS ENFRANCHISE PEOPLE.
THEY EVENTUALLY TAILORED IT SO IT WOULD ONLY EFFECT THE CITIES OF THAT SIZE.
>> THE GOVERNOR THE OKAY.
>> OKAY WITH IT.
>> I KIND OF WONDER -- >> THE OTHER THING I'D POINT OUT THEY HOPE FOR AN INVESTIGATION.
THAT COULD INVOLVE IN THEIR MINDS REDUCING THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS OR LOWERING THE FOOTPRINT.
>> THEY HAVE GONE DOWN ON THE NUMBER A BIT.
THEY HAVE DUG THEIR HEELS IN.
TYPICALLY, THERE IS A PRECEDENT COURTS DON'T LIKE TO BREAK.
IF THEY MADE THEIR OPINION CLEAR WHAT LAWMAKERS WANT TO DO THAT HOP OVER THEM IS SECONDARY.
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.
IF THEY SAID IT STRAIGHT UP THE LAWMAKERS OPINION IS PUSH BACK.
>> THEY WON'T GO DOWN THAT AVENUE.
>> WHAT IS THE HOUSE ETHICS AND HOW IS HE RESPONDING.
>> THIS IS A SECOND TERM LAWMAKER REPUBLICAN ON KINGMAN.
THE COMMAND SURGEON IN THE ARMY.
HE'S BEEN OVER SEAS A LOT.
THAT'S HIS POINT OF VIEW.
HE PUT THEM ON X.COM A WEEK AND HALF AGO.
CALLED ALL MUSLIMS SAVAGES AND MADE OTHER HUSH REMARKS ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
IT WAS GENERALIZED FOR THE MOST ART.
THERE ARE RAT CAL RADICAL MUSLIMS.
THEY WERE VERY ANGRY OF THIS.
IT WAS AN ETHICS COMPLAINT.
THE CHAIR, HE DECIDED THIS WAS FREE SPEECH.
THERE IS NO HOUSE RULE BROKEN.
>> THEY CALLED IT UNBECOMING OF AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.
GO ON AN INVESTIGATION.
>> NO SHOCKER THERE THIS COMMITTEE IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS.
THE REPUBLICANS CONTROL OF ALL OF THAT.
YOU HEAR THAT EXCUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHEN LA LAWMAKERS SAY SOMETHING WE DEEMED OFFENSIVE.
THEY SAY, WELL, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY ALSO MADE A LOT OF FRIENDS DOWN THERE.
I SAY THAT SARCASTICALLY.
THERE WAS AN E-MAIL EXCHANGE DOWN AT THE LEGISLATURE.
DEMOCRATS CLAIM SOME O DON'T FEEL SAFE AROUND HIM.
>> IT WAS IN THE WAKE OF THE KIRK ASSASSINATION.
ONE LAWMAKER REACHED OUT AND SAID SOMETHING.
I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS AND A LOT OF DEATHS RECENTLY.
THEY COME TOGETHER AND UNIFY AND HE RESPONDED SAYING NO.
IT'S YOUR SIDE ONLY.
OTHER COLORFUL THINGS THEY REJECTED THAT AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOW SAYING WHAT THEY FEEL UNSAFE AND UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND THEM.
>> I MEAN, I THINK HE SAID WHAT HE SAID WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.
LIKE HE SAID AT THE ARIZONA ADS MIRROR BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY.
OF I DON'T EXPECT HIM TOO.
IF IT EFFECTS HIS CAREER PROBABLY NOT.
HE REPRESENTS KINGMAN AND NOT TEMPE.
>> HE'S NOT RUNNING AGAIN?
>> I BELIEVE HE IS.
>> I THOUGHT HE WASN'T.
>> I THOUGHT HE WASN'T.
>> HE ANNOUNCE HE'S NOT RUNNING.
>> HE WAS UN UNAPOLOGETIC FOR DEFENDING GOD AND AMERICA.
>> ING HE CHANGED UP HIS MESSAGE JUST A LITTLE TOO LONG ESSAYS BUT REALLY THEY KIND OF DESCEND INTO THE SAME ONs OLD CRITICISM OF WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
IT'S NOT JUST MUSLIMS AND ISLAMS.
THEY ARE ALTOGETHER TO RULE THE WORLD IN HIS OPINION.
SOME WERE WORRIED INTO LEGISLATURE.
THEY ARE BELIEVED TO DO AND PROBABLY DIDN'T HELP THE SECURITY.
THIS IS THEIR FEELINGS TOO MUCH HE DOES CARE AND THIS IS RIDICULOUS AND PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF HIM.
>> MY CAREER AND OTHER LAWMAKERS CARRY GUNS IN ARIZONA.
>> DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.
>> HE NEVER SAID SPECIFICALLY.
HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.
>> HE WASN'T THREATENING.
>> ALSO ONE OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT WAKING A SLEEPING GIANT.
HE'S NOT MAKING A SPECIFIC THREAT.
>> IT'S CYMBALLISM TO MAKE DEMOCRATS LOOK LIKE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S DECLARING WAR.
IT SOUNDS VAGUELY VIOLENT.
I DON'T THINK HE MEANT IT THAT WAY.
IT SOFTENED HIS MESSAGE.
>> TIONS ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE A NEW STATE LINE INSPECTOR.
>> ARIZONA IS THE ONLY STATE AS WE NOW THAT ELECTS A MIND INSPECTOR.
MAYBE NOT AS HIGH PROFILED WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL RAL.
WE FOUND OUT, RECENTLY, MY INSPECT TOR LEFT A MONTH AGO AND NO ONE TOLD US AND NO ONE NOTICED.
I WAS TAKEN ABACK BECAUSE I'D THINK SOMEONE WHO IS A VOTED ELECTED UNANIMOUSLY 09Z% SOMEONE RAN AGAINST HIM.
IF WE WEREN'T AND RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, NOW BASED ON RESEARCH.
>> I WAS SURPRISED BY THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION.
>> THE FREE FALLS IN THE WOODS.
>> YOU HAVE SOs TO ASSUME HE WAS IN A MIND SOMEWHERE.
>> I DON'T LIKE, YOU PAY ATTENTION MONTHS OR YEARS WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THAT.
>> SOME OF THE MOST INTERESTING DEBATES WERE A STATEWIDE OFFICE.
THEY DID HAVE DEBATES.
>> IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE IT'S REALLY INTERESTING WHEN YOU GO BACK.
THE LOSS IS SIGNIFICANT OVER THE YEARS.
ARIZONA WAS MUCH A BIG MINING INDUSTRY HERE THEY REGULATED THE INDUSTRY.
I FOUND THAT INTERESTING.
NOW RESIGN AND NO ONE NOTICED.
THERE IS A LOT TOO IT.
ITSELF'S A VERY BUSY JOB AND FULL-TIME JOB.
ITSELF ONLY PIES $50,000 ODDS ARE IT PAYS.
>> WE GOT A PAST MINE INSPECTOR WITH AN INTERESTING PROPOSAL.
>> PLEASE, I'D LOVE TALKING ABOUT IT.
>> ONE OF THE FAVORITE POLITICIANS.
ONE OF THE BIG PROPOSALS BACK IN THE DAY.
PART OF WHERE THEY ARE DEALING WITH 100 THOUSANDS OF MINES.
THAT'S SERIOUS BUSINESSES.
>> SOMEONE FALLS IN AND GETS HURT.
HIS PLAN WAS TO TAKE A BUNCH OF USED TIRES AND FILL UP THOSE MINES WITH USED TIRES.
IMAGE PEOPLE FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING HERE MAN.
THEY ARE SAYING MOST ARE 90% PETROLEUM.
THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF OUT THERE.
>> I LIKE IT.
>> ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROPOSALS.
>> WE SHOULD FILL THEM WITH TRAMPOLINES.
>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD.
>> WORKING ON THE NEXT DEBATE.
PANEL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERED GOOD CONVERSATION.
THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
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