>> COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT IS THE JOURNALIST ROUNDTABLE.

ANOTHER SETBACK TO THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S FAKE ELECTOR'S CASE.

THE JOURNAL'S ROUND TABLE IS NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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♪ ♪ >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I AM TED SIMONS.

IS FRIDAY.

THAT MEANS HE IS TIME FOR THE JOURNALIST'S ROUND TABLE.

HOLLY FISHER FROM CAPITAL MEDIA SERVICES, JESS CASS FROM PHOENIX AND MARK BRODY FROM K JAY-Z Z RADIO.

THANKS FOR SLOSHING THROUGH THE RAIN LATE THIS AFTERNOON TO GET OVER HERE.

WE'LL START WITH YOU.

ARIZONA COURT OF APPEALS SAYS TO ATTORNEY GENERAL NOT SO FAST.

>> NOT SO FAST.

THIS IS OUTGROWTH OF WHAT THE TRIAL JUDGE SAID.

LOOK, IF YOU ARE GOING TO INDICT SOMEONE.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 1 FAKE EKING THERORS THE ALTERNATE ELECTORS.

THAT IS A KEY POINT TO WHAT HAPPENED.

THE OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS WHO ARE TRUMP AIDES ATTORNEYS, YOU GOT TO PRESENT THEM WITH ALL THE INFORMATION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRESENT THEIR CASE FOR THEM.

THEY NEED ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION.

IN THIS CASE, UNOF THE ISSUES IS THESE ELECTORS ARE SAYING, WELL, WE WANT TO TRY TO DEFRAUD ANYBODY.

WE ARE TRYK TO READY SHOULD THE COURT DECIDE THAT DONALD TRUMP DID NOT LOSE BY 10557 VOTES.

THERE IS 1887 LAW ALWAYS FAMILIAR WITH THOSE TO SAY, THERE IS A WAY FOR CONGRESSES TO DEAL WITH COMPETING STATES OF ELECTORS.

MAYES AND HER ATTORNEYS NEVER PRESENNED THAT TO THE GRAND JURORS.

WHAT THE COURT OF APPEALS AFFIRMED IS THEY NEEDED TO BE PRESENTED WITH THAT, OTHERWISE YOUR INDICTMENT CANNOT STAND.

THAT GOES AGAIN, AGAIN, THEIR THEORY, WE WERE JUST ALTERNATE ELECTORS.

>> YEAH.

THAT WAS THE CONFUSING PART ABOUT THIS.

SOME STATES DO HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN.

ARIZONA DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAD A CONTINGENCY PLAN.

HERE COMES THE ELECTION KS AC WHICH MAY NOT BE A CONTINGENCY PLAN.

SHE DID NOT LET THE GRAND JURORS KNOW.

>> THAT IS RIGHT.

WE CLEARLY POINTED OUT.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

NOW PUTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN A REALLY KIND OF DIFFICULT POSITION.

POLITICALLY, ESPECIALLY.

SHE HAS TO DECIDE.

AM I GOING TO GO BACK TO RETRY THE QUASS THE NEW GRAND JURY.

AM I GOING TO TRY TO APPEAL THIS THE SUPREME COURT HAS DIFFERENT VIEW THAN WE DO.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE LAW, MOST OF US DIDN'T ANYWAY.

IT PUTS HER IN THIS WEIRD POSITION, OF COURSE, SHE HAS THE OPTION OF SAYING, LIKE, OH LET'S JUST FORGET ABOUT IT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THAT WOULD CERTAINLY AGGRAVATE HER BASE, BUT THOSE ARE OPTIONS.

>> WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE IS GOING TO DO.

THOSE ARE THREE STRONG OPTIONS?

YOU WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE SNOOP YEAH.

WELL, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO.

THOUGH OTHER COMPLICATED FACTOR IS.

THE CLOCK IS TICKING HERE.

RIGHT?

THERE IS ELECTION SHE IS ON THE BALLOT FOR COMING UP, YOU KNOW, IN A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION.

AS WE KNOW, COURT CASES TAKE AWHILE.

SO I WONDER HOW MUCH LIKE THE PRACTICALITY, THE REALITY OF CALENDAR MAY PLAY INTO WHAT DECISION IS.

>> SUPREME COURT.

YOU DROPPED THE WHOLE THING ALTOGETHER.

OR YOU START THE GRAND JURY PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.

>> ACTUALLY.

THERE IS ONE OTHER OPTION WHICH DOESN'T GET USED MUCH.

IT IS DIRECT, NOT REALLY INDICTMENT.

WELL, YOU TAKE YOUR CASE.

YOU PRECEPT THE EVIDENCE AS TO A TRIAL JUDGE.

NOW, THE DOWNSIDE FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS, THEN DEFENSE COMES IN AND GETS CROSS-EXAMINE WITH INS THEN I DON'T THINK SHE WANTS TO PROCEED THAT.

NO.

I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW?

TALKING THE L IT BACK TO THE GRAND JURY.

THEY GOT THE INDICTMENT BEFORE.

I WOULD ASSUME, EVEN IF YOU PRESENT THIS 1887 CASE, THE GRAND JURORS WILL INDICT.

DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS CHANGED ON THAT.

THAT MAY BE THE EASIEST.

AS MARK POINTS OUT.

TAKE THE SUPREME COURT.

YOU ARE TEE LAYING IT EVEN FURTHER.

LET'S SAY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, CHRIS MAYES IS NOT REELECTED A YEAR FROM NOW.

HALFWAY THROUGH THE TRIAL, ALL OF THE SUDDEN, YOU HAVE WARREN PETERSON IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THAT WOULD NOT BE CHRIS MAE'S PROBLEM ANY MORE.

YOU WILL HAVE TO RUN FOR REREX.

YOU GOT THIS HOVERING OUT THERE LIKE A STORM CLOUD.

>> EXACTLY.

I THINK ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS IF WE LOOK BACK TO LAST YEAR IN THE PRESIDENT'SIAL, I THINK A LOT OF VOTERS SAY, OK, MAYBE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020.

I AM OVER IT.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

IF THIS IS BIGGEST THING THAT IS HAPPENING FOR CHRIS MAYES AS SHE IS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION.

LIKE, IT CREATES A WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DEAL WITH DURING THE ELECTION.

>> THAT RAISES THE QUESTION, YOU ARE RIGHT.

SHE COULD SIMPLY SAY, OK.

I GAVE IT THE BEST BET.

YOU GOT FOLKS SAYING, THIS WAS A WHOLE SCAM BY HER.

THIS WAS WEAPONNIZING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AS MUCH AS THEY USED TO TALK ABOUT WEAPONNIZING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

THEN CAN THEY USE THAT AGAINST HER IF SHE GIVES UP AND SAYS NEVER MIND.

OOP NO, EXACTLY.

SHE MADE IT HER VERBIAGE HAS BEEN SO STRONG.

LIKE THIS IS ASUL ON DEMOCRACY.

THIS IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY.

IF SHE SAYS, ACTUALLY, IT IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL NOW.

YES.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

I THINK, THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS LIKE PUTS HER IN REALLY TOUGH SPOT.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, THEIR RISKS POLITICALLY REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHE CHOOSE.

IF THE DROPS IT, FOLK ON THE LEFT WOULD NOT BE THRILLED.

IF SHE PURSUES IT.

SOME WOULD NEED TO VOTE FOR HER WOULD NOT BE HAPPY.

SOP THERE IS REALLY NO CLEAR-CUT EASY ANSWER HERE.

I DONE THINK.

>> THE MARK, THE FACT WE SEE THE VIDEO.

WE SEE WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

IT IS CLEAR AS A BELL WHAT HAPPEN.

THEY DIDN'T TRY TO HIDE.

THIS WAS NOT.

DOES THAT PLAY INTO THIS WHOLE DYNAMIC.

WITH THE CAVEAT.

I AM NOT A LAWYER.

YOU ARE KNOW?

AS SAID, THE FACTS OF THE CASE ARE EVENTUALLY UNCHANGED RIGHT?

NO ONE HAS COME OUT AND SAID REALLY ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE GRAND JURY OTHER THAN THIS LAW THAT WAS NOT PRESENTED TO THEM.

IF SHE WANTS TO GO BACK, AND PRESENT THEM WITH THIS LAW AS WE SAID.

THE ODDS ARE DECENT A, AGAIN, NOT A LAWYER.

THE ODDS ARE TEE CENT SHE COULD GET ANOTHER INDICTMENT.

THE QUESTION IS HOW LONG WILL THAT TAKE?

NOW WELL YOU NEED CRIME THEN YOU HAVE THE SAYING FAIN, IF E SAY THEY WERE CONTINGENT AND THEY DID NOT LABEL IT THAT.

THIS COULD FALL APART QUICKLY IN FRONT OF A TRIAL JURY.

REMEMBER, EACH OF THOSE.

ONE IS OUT.

EACH HAS HIS HR OR HER OWN LAWYER ARE GOING TO CROSS EXAMINE THE STATE'S WITNESSES THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT JURORS WILL START TO SAY, OK.

INI GIVE UP.

YEAH.

OK.

S' MOVE AHEAD.

JESSICA, WE GOT A NEW CONGRESS WOMAN.

AND OVERWELKLY AS EXPECTED.

BUT THEY ARE NOW QUESTIONS AS TO WHEN SHE IS GOING TO GET SWORN IN.

>> THERE ARE.

YEAH.

IT IS FUNNY, THIS WAS NOT AN EXCITING ELECTION IN THE FACT WE KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, BUT, YES, SO SHE IS NOW BEEN ELECTED.

BUT SHE IS A KEY VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT IS OF INTEREST NATIONALLY.

THE RELEASE OF THE JEFFREY EPSTEIN FILES.

SHE WOULD BE THAT MAGIC NUMBER VOTE TO RELEASE THEM.

AND SO, NOW, THERE IS A QEZ OF HOW SOON SHE CAN BE SWORN IN AND IF THAT COULD KIND OF DELAY THE ABILITY TO RELEASE THE FILES.

>> SPEAK OF DELAYS, SPEAKER THINKING OF THIS?

>> HOW DOES THAT WORK IN.

>> HE HAS NOT SAID THAT HE IS GOING TO GO QUICKLY OR NOT.

HE HAS FEW OTHER THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

FAMILY THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAY SHUTTLE DOWN ON TUESDAY AT MIDNIGHT.

ALSO, THE HOUSE IS IN RECESS UNTIL AFTER THAT.

SO, I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT WHEN THAT MAY BE, BUT JESSICA IS RIGHT.

YOU KNOW?

HER VOTE, NARROWS THE GAP BETWEEN DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICANS AND BUT ALSO, SHE HAS SAID, SHE WAS ON THE DISCHARGE PETITION TO FORCES A VOTE.

AS MARK MENTIONED YOU GOT THE GOVERNMENT FUNDING SITUATION HERE.

SHE IS GOING TO PLY A ROLE IN THAT AS WELL ALONG WITH THE OTHER DEMOCRATS.

>> UP TO A POINT.

NOW, REMEMBER, THE HOUSE DOESN'T NEED THE DEMOCRATS, THE SENATE IS HAVING THE PROBLEM AND I THINK, THE HOUSE PASSED, YOU KNOW, A NEW BILL, AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE INCLINED TO NEGOTIATE.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IN TERMS OF HER BEING SWORN IN, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTION HAS NOT BEEN CERTIFIED YET.

YOU KNOW?

THERE IS A WHOLE CANDIDATE THAT HAS TO OCCUR.

THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE SENT A LETTER TO THE HOUSE SPEAKER.

LOOK.

HERE ARE THE NUMBERS.

NOBODY IS CHALLENGING IT.

WHAT ARE YOU WEIGHT NONE THERE IS LEGAL REASON THAT THE HOUSE SPEAKER COULD HOLD OUT UNTIL THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION WHICH MAY NOT COME UNTIL THE ENZ OF THE MONTH.

>> LASS LEGAL REASON, I THINK VIRGINIA, CONGRESSMAN IN VIRGINIA, SAME THING.

THE ELECTION CHEVROLET IN AND STATED HE IS OFFICIAL.

TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.

HEREHERE IS THE LETTER.

SWORN IN THE NEXT DAY.

DON'T YOU UNDERSTANDED, THAT SITUATIONAL ETHICS?

I KNOW YOU ARE SHOCKED TO KNOW.

>> YEAH.

>> I CAN BELIEVE THAT IS GOING.

ALL RIGHT.

SO BASICALLY, WE WAIT AROUND FOR CONGRESSWOMAN TO BE CONGRESSWOMAN.

YEAH.

BUT I WOULD SAY, WE LOOK BAG A MATTER OF WEEKS HERE.

LIKE NOT GOING TO BE THWARTED FOR YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I AM SURE DEMOCRATS WAN THIS TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

BUT IT IS NOT AS IF IT IS A MAJOR DELAY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

JOHN WE TALKED ABOUT REPRESENTATIVE GILLETTE NUMEROUS TIMES HERE RECENTLY.

WHY REARE WE TALKING ABOUT HIM AGAIN YEAH.

HE LIKES SAYING THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL, I GE GUESS, THE NICE WAY TO SAY IT.

HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH A MEMBER OF CONGRESS FROM WASHINGTON STATE WHO MADE SOME COME MEMBERS THAT HE INTERPRETED AS CALLING FOR THE VIOLENT OVERTHROW OF THE GOVERNMENT AND SUGGESTED THAT SHE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON ON THAT, THE SENTENCE FOR THAT, OF COURSE, IS DEATH.

SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER BASICALLY, BASICALLY AFTER SAYING, TELLING COLLEAGUES AT THE CAPITAL, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR UNITY ANY MORE.

YOU GUYS ARE THE VIOLENT ONCE.

HE IS SAYINGS THAT AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

>> PEOPLE LIKE THAT ADVOCATE TO OVERTHROW THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT ARE TRIED, CONVICT, HANGED IT WILL CONTINUE.

I ALSO NOTICED, THE WAY YOU READ IT, SHOWS HE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THE COMMENTS WHICH MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF HOW IT GETS DONE.

WHAT SHE SAID WAS COUPLE OF THINGS.

SHE WAS UNHAPPY.

SHE TOLD PEOPLE TO BE READY.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOW, IS THAT IN FACT USUALING THE OVERTHROW EVEN IF SHE IS SAYING WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW?

THE TRIAL AND ERROR.

EVIDENCE.

ALL THE REST OF THAT.

WHAT CONSTITUTES THE OVERTHROW.

THIS IS INTERESTING GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARYth.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE TO OVERTHROW THE LEGALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT.

THE ILLEGALLY ELECTED, ELECTION, SO TO SPEAK OF JOE BIDEN.

SHOULD THEY BE TRIED FOR TREASON?

SO YOU KNOW, IT GETS WRAPPED UP IN ARE.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE WHERE THE ETHICS COMMITTEE WILL LOOK LIKE AND LIKE THEY DID WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT MUSLIMS.

HE HAS THE RATING TO SAY WHAT HE WANTS.

PROBABLY, AFAN, GIVEN THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT.

DON'T THINK IT HURTS HIM.

>> KINGMAN AREA.

>> CORRECT.

YEAH.

DEMOCRATS ARE BASICALLY SAYING WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR REPUBLICAN LEAD SHER IN TO TAKE ACTION HERE.

THEY WANT ETHICS PROBE.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

KIND OF DOUBT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN EITHER.

>> IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY.

IT SEEMS IT IS KIND THE PLACE WHERE WE ARE AT WHERE PEOPLE ROOM, YOU KNOW, EM PO YOU WE'RED IN A LOT OF WAYS TO SAY, SOMETIMES THINGS THAT COULD BE DEFINITELY PERCEIVED AS A BIT BIAS.

>> WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS SOME OF THE STATE REPUBLICANS WHO SAY THAT AT LEAST ORTEZ SHOULD BE THROWN OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INVESTIGATE CRIMINALLY BECAUSE SHE REPEATED.

SHE DIDN'T SAY.

SHE REPEATED A TWITTER POST ABOUT HERE ARE THE ICE OH-OH PHYSICIAN AS AT A SCHOOL IN LEVINE THEREFORE VIOLENCE.

EVERYBODY HAS ANED WHERE THE LINE IS DRAWN.

OK.

LET'S TALKING ABOUT THE EXXON LAW AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN SCOTTSDALE.

CITY COUNCIL IS HEM, HAWING, I TON KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

YEAH.

THEY TAKING THE CHARGE ON THIS AND HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THIS LAW FOR AWHILE.

THIS IS A STATE LAW, BE THAT IS CONVOLUTED, THAT BLOCKED A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO UNDO THE CITY COUNCIL DECISION ON AI LOOING THIS DEVELOPMENT IN NORTH SCOTTSDALE FOR THE COMPANY THAT MAKES TASERS.

THE BIG CONCERN IS REALLY LIKE, THE OPPONENTS REALLY ONLY CARE ABOUT, OR OPPOSED.

THEY DON'T MIND THE NEW HEADQUARTERS MUCH THEY DON'T MIND THE OTHER COACHES.

THEY DON'T WANT THE PARTSES SO THIS GROUP IS NOW SUING TO TRY TO CHALLENGE THE STATE LAW THAT BLOCKS THE VOTE IN TRYING TO DO UNDO THAT.

AS YOU SAY, IT CAME AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.

WE ARE NOT SURE QUIET YET.

WE SHOULD BE NEGOTIATING.

>> HEMMING AND HAWING THERE.

>> YEAH WELL, SOME INTERESTING QUESTIONS HERE IN TERMS OF CAN THE LEGISLATURE DO WHAT IT WANTS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY LEFT IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

YOU GOT A FASCINATING QUESTION HERE.

WE HAVE EVENTUALLY AN AMENDMENT SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CANNOT SAY, YOU, TED, ARE NOW PROMOTED TO GENERAL OF Ks TV OR SOMETHING LAKE THAT.

EVEN IF I KNOW AS MUCH, YOU LOOK GOOD.

>> I AM NOT?

>> YOU ARE A MAJOR GENERAL.

OH, OK.

>> LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION.

THE IDEA BEHIND SPECIAL IN TRYST IS YOU CAN DO THINGS BY CLASS.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHETHER OTHER INDIVIDUALS CAN FIT IN AND DROP OUT.

THIS LEGISLATURE STARTS OFF WITH ANYWHERE 200 TO 500,000 PEOPLE.

THAT IS EASY.

INTERNATIONAL HEADQUARTERS.

OK.

NOW WE ARE NARROWING IT WITH MORE THAN 1,000 FULL-TIME EM KNOW DEGREES.

MORE THAN 25% OF THE MEDIUM WAGE, THEN IT HAS TO BE, AT LEAST 30% MULTI FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

YOU ARE NOW DOWN TO A POINT OF HOW MANY OTHER CITIES COULD THIS APPLY TO?

>> WELL, HOW, HOW DOES THE GIFT CLAUSE NOT APPLY TO THIS?

WHICH I THINK IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GROUP US SAYING.

>> YEAH.

WELL.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

YOU HAVE THIS CLAUSE THAT TALKS, LAKE, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE HANDOUTS.

NOW I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT APPLIES IN THIS SITUATION, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THIS WHOLE IDEA THAT YOU TOOK AWAY OUR ABILITY TO HAVE AN ELECTION.

WE HAVE IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION, THE RATING TO HOLD A REFERENDUM ON SOMETHING.

WE WANT TO HOLD THE REFERENDUM AND DECIDE.

THOSE ARE WANTED.

THE STATE LEGISLATURE TOOK AWAY THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THEY DID AT THIS TIME RETROACTIVELY.

THAT IS THE POINT.

IN OTHER WORD, IS IT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

WE ARE NOT SURE HOW FAR THE LEGISLATURE CAN DO?

TO DO SOMETHING RETROACTIVELY AFTER IT OCCURRED?

NOW YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE REAL PROBLEMS HERE.

WE SHOULD MENTION THE LEGISLATURE AND THE GOVERNOR.

>> YEAH.

THE GOVERNORS ONLY SIGNED THE BILL INTO LAW TO MAKE IT TAKE EFFECT.

SO I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGOTIATIONS AT THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR ABOUT THIS.

THERE WERE SA FEW DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS BILL.

DIFFERENT IDEAS OF MAYBE WHAT TO DO IF THERE IS A LARGE PRESENCE OF FOLKS ON DOWN AT THE CAPITAL ALL SESSION LONG, ABEEN A, THIS WAS NOT JUST SOMETHING THE LEGISLATURE DID.

BUT THE GIFT CLAUSE, TO ME, I UNDERSTAND VOTERS RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU LOOK AT.

THE FIRST THING WOULD YOU ARGUE.

PLUS, IT DOES SEEM ESPECIALLY THE RETRO ACTIVE ASPECT OF THIS.

IT DOES THINK, IF THERE IS A GIFT CLAUSE AND THE STATE CONSTITUTION.

THIS IS PLAYING TOUCH AND GO.

WELL, HERE IS THE PROBLEM.

IF YOU FOOL LOW THAT ARGUMENT, THAT MEANS THAT EVERY TIME A GROUP COMES IN, GETS BETTER ZONING.

WELL, ALLOWED TEN.

THAT MAKES THE PROPERTY MOVABLE.

IS THAT A FIFTH THAT THE STATE IS GIVING OR THE CITY COUNCIL IS GIVING THEM?

I THINK THE GIFT CLAUSE IS NOT AS GOOD OF AN ARGUMENT.

IF EVEN IF YOU HAVE DONE IT RECEIPT TRE ACTIVELY.

YOU KNOW ARE THEY ENTITLE ODD TO HAVE THE CITY, OR THE COUNTY, OR THE STATE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHAT IS PROPER ZONING THERE?

WELL, YOU KIND OF JUST MADE THE CASE FOR A SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION BEFOREHAND.

SOUNDS LIKE IS SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION.

IT IS.

AGAIN, YOU CHALLENGE ON THE GIFT CLAUSE.

CAN CHALLENGE IT UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL VISION OF NO SPECIAL INTEREST LEGISLATION, THIS IS SOMETHING FOR ONE SPECIFIC COMPANY AND NOBODY ELSE CAN QUALIFY.

IT WILL BE IN FROMMESTING TO SEE SCOTTSDALE CITY COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT.

THEN, WE ARE ONBOARD OR STAYING AWAY.

WELL, I THINK, THAT, BUT ALSO WHAT IF ANYTHING THIS DOES TO NEGOTIATIONS.

BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL CONTINUE TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP TALKING.

REMEMBER, THIS IS A COMPANY THAT IS NOT ONLY BASED IN SCOTTSDALE BUT BORN IN SCOTTSDALE, TOO.

A BIG BUSINESS PRESENCE.

AND DURING THE WHOLE CAPITAL, A FEW OTHER STATES REACHED OUT.

HEY, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.

COME BUILD WHAT YOU WANT HERE.

SO THERE IS A PALANCE HERE BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

KEEPING A BUSINESS IN TOWN, AND MAKING SURE THAT NUMBER ARE NOT TOO TICKED OFF.

GO AHEAD.

I WOULD JUST SAY, I THIS I THAT IS A GOOD POINT WITH THIS LAWSUIT.

THE BIGGEST THING EXXON HAS COME-CALL ITED IS THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

THEY DIDN'T WANT THIS LEX.

IF THIS LAWSUIT PUSHES THE TIMELINE BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.

AT WHAT POINT DOES THE CEO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE THREAT HE HAS BEEN MAKING FOR TWO YEARS THAT I CAN JUST REACH?

I THINK WHATS THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION?

IT COULD JUST HAVE IMPACT OF IT THAT IS TAKING TO LONG.

>> YEAH.

STICKING WITH YOU, JOHN McCAIN'S YOUNGEST SON, ARIZONA BOARD OF REGENTS.

TALK TO US ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

THE YOUNGEST SON ON THE BOARD.

DID YOU THINK HE WOULD SEE ANOTHER McCAIN IN OFFICE?

I THINK MAYBE AT SOME POINT.

THIS IS NOT ELECTED OFFICE, BUT YES, THE GOVERNOR HAS NAMED HIM THE NEWEST MEMBER WHO WILL OVERSEE THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, THIS IS McCAIN WHO ANNOUNCED LAST YEAR, THAT HE IS NOW OFFICIAL LAY DEMOCRAT AND SUPPORTING KAMALA HARRIS IN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE IT GOES.

>> REMEMBER, HE EX STORTED OUT IN 2016 AS A REPUBLICAN AS WAS HIS DAD SAYING MAYBE NOT MY PARTY AND THEN THE FIRST RUN-IN WITH THE PRESIDENT, OK, I WILL BECOME AN INDEPENDENT SO IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TRANSITION HERE.

LOOK.

THE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, JOHN McCAIN INSTILLED IN THEIR CHILDREN, A SENSE OF DUTY.

AND HERE HE IS, HE HAS GOT A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, TWO MASTER'S DEGREE, PURSUING DOCTORATE, I THINK, IN EDUCATION.

AND SO, HERE IS SOMEBODY WHO CLEARLY KNOWS ABOUT THE UNIVERSITIES AND, YEAH, NOW, HEIRESS THE FUN QUESTION -- DOES HE GET CONFIRMED?

BECAUSE THE LAST, HE REPLEASE ARE PLACED SOMEBODY ELSE WHO THE GOVERNOR HAD NAMED.

>> RIGHT.

>> THEY WOULD NOT GIVE HER A EAR OH HEARING NOW THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE SAY, NO, WE ARE GOING TO SAVE JIMMY McCAIN IS INSUFFICIENTLY QUALIFIED.

WELL, INU.S.LY QUALIFIED IS A VETERAN, BUSINESSMAN, NATIVE ARIZONAN.

I MEAN, THAT IS A BIG REAP, WOULD IT NOT?

>> I, POTENTIALLY.

TO THE EARLIER POINT.

WE WOULD BE SHOCKED TO KNOW THERE IS POLITICS IN GOVERNMENT HERE.

YOU KNOW, THE McCAIN FAMILY HAD THEIR RUN-INS WITH THE FAR RIGHT OF THE PARTY JOHN McCAIN CERTAINLY DID OVER THE YEARS WITH THE MORE CONSERVATIVE BRANCHES OF THE GOP HERE.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

NOBODY HAS SAID.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYONE SAY THIS IS GRATEFUL THAT THIS IS NOT GREAT.

IT WOULDN'T BE A SHOCK TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THE CONFIRMATION IS NOT AS SMOOTH AS SOME WOULD LIKE.

>> IS IT A SHOCK TO SEE McCAIN STEPPING UP IN PROFILE HERE.

CAN WE EXPECT TO BE SHOCKED LATER AS HE DECIDES TO PURSUE OTHER PUBLIC OFFICES.

>> SO LITTLE IS SHOCKING ANY MOOR RIGHT.

>> LOOK.

HE IS 31.

I MEAN SHALL REIS A BABY, YOU KNOW?

AND SO, I MEAN, HE IS A BABY.

THIS COULD BECOME A STEB!

STING STONE.

FRED WHO WAS ON THE BOARD OF REGENTS RAN FOR GOVERNOR.

HE DIDN'T GET ELECTED.

IT IS NOT A BAD PLATFORM TO USE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS SOME OF THE RIGHT CRITICIZES UNIVERSITIES AND THE DAMN LIBERALS THERE, THE SOCIALIST TEACHING.

PEOPLE LIKE UNIVERSITIES GENERALLY.

THEY LOOK THE FACT THERE IS A BOARD OF REGENS TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

WILL WE BE HEARING SNEER OH, IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME.

THAT IS GOING TO END SOON, HUH?

>> THAT IS.

THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT PEOPLE OUT THERE.

I KNOW PEOPLE WHO PURPOSELY GOT ALL ELECTRIC CAR OR HIGH PRID OR ONE OF THE ALL FUELED PROPANE VEHICLES.

NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE ENVIRONMENT?

I AM NOT MINIMIZING THAT.

PAUSE THEY SAID, LOOK, I LIVE IN ANTHEM.

I GOT TO DRIVE IN EVERY MORNING.

IF I HAVE ONE OF THE FLOOR AND WHITE PLATES ON THE CAR, YOU CAN GO DOWN THE FAST LANE HER ANTHEM MY NOSE AT EVERYONE ELSE.

THESES ONLY REASON THEY COULD DO THAT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL LAW, THAT ALLOWED STATES TO DO THAT NOT JUST HAVE TWO PLUS PEOPLE.

NOW, REMEMBER, THE FEDS ARE PEOPLE WHO HELPED BUILD THE HOV LANES SO THE FEDERAL LAW THAT ALLOWED THAT EXPIRES ON TUESDAY.

AT MIDNIGHT.

AND SO, IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE DRIVING IN WEDNESDAY MORNING, AND YOU ARE ALONE IN YOUR CAR WITH A LITTLE BLUE PLATE, YOU GET PULLED OVER.

THAT IS $400 FINE PLUS SURCHARGES.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE DPS IS NOT ALL GUNG-HO AT PULLING PEOPLE OVER AT FIRST AT LEAST.

>> IT WOULD SEEM REASONABLE THEY HAVE MORE IMPORTANT IN THES TO DO THAN LOOKING FOR PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, IN TESLAS, HYBRID IN A PRIUSES THAT ARE DRIVING IN THE HOV LANE DURING RUSH HOUR.

BUT I MEAN, AS HOWIE POINTS OUT, IT WILL BE TECHNICALLY AGAINST THE THREW DO THAT.

WE'LL SEE.

THERE ARE OTHER EFFECTS, YOU KNOW, WITH INCENTIVES GOING AWAY.

>> YEAH.

>> CHARGERS THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS THE MONEY NOT COMING THROUGH.

THERE IS A LOT CHANGING POTENTIALLY FOR ALTERNATIVE VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY HERE.

>> DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DRIVE IF YOU GOT A BUNCH OF CARS PULL OF PEOPLE.

YOU CAN GO IN THAT LANE.

>> YEAH.

EXACTLY.

IT IS A CARPOOL LANE.

YOU CAN USE IT.

YOU CANNOT GO BY YOURSELF.

>> THAT IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE CHILDREN.

THAT IS WHY I HAD ONE.

I AM KIDDING.

>> CONGRATULATION BY THE WAY.

OK.

THANK YOU.

>> WELL, MARK BROUGHT UP A POINT.

THE ELECTRIC CAR INDUSTRY IS FACING SOME STRONG HEAD WHICH WINDS HERE.

OH, FOD.

YES.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS DESPITE THE PRESENCE OF ELON MUSK EARLY ON IN THE SECOND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.

I THINK, THERE ARE $7,000 FEDERAL TAX CRED DYES TO BUYING A NEW ELECTRIC CAR.

$4,000 TO BUYING AS YOU.

>> USED ELECTRIC CAR.

UP TO $25,000.

THEY ALL DISAPPEAR.

ALSO, ON OCTOBER FIRST.

AND SO, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS -- AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY?

THE EXTRA COST OF THE CAR, THE FACT THAT I CANNOT DRIVE IN THE HOV LANE, WHY AM I DOING THIS WHEN I COULD GET A LITTLE NISSAN SEN FROM AND GET 40-MILES TO THE GALLON.

>> WELL, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS IF YOU TALKED TO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

THAT POTENTIAL BUYERS HAVE HAS BEEN THE COST.

WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THESE INCENTIVES WERE SO POPULAR TO HELP THEM.

BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE AT LEAST A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE VEHICLE.

SO WITH THE SUBSIDIES AND TAX BREAKS EVERYTHING GOING AWAY.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN TERMS OF SEALS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH PEOPLE KEEP THE VEHICLES IF THEY HAVE THEM ALREADY.

>> YEAH.

HOW MUCH PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVING IN THE PROPER LANES COME, HOURS.

>> WELL, WE'LL SEE.

>> WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT.

WE GOT ONE MORE.

OH, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PORN HUB THING HOW YOU HAVE TO DO THIS AND THAT.

WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT PORN AND LOOK AT PORN AND LIE ABOUT IT.

>> BOTH OF THOSE PEOPLE?

[LAUGHTER] >> RIGHT.

>> WELL, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE NOW.

THAT IS IT FOR NOW.

I AM TED.

THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.