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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES, INCLUDING THE CONTINUING FIGHT OVER PROP 140.

THE OPEN PRIMARY BALLOT INITIATIVE.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE, AND JOINING US TONIGHT, CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ RADIO, HOWIE FISCHER AND LAURIE ROBERTS OF AZCENTRAL.COM AND "ARIZONA REPUBLIC."

SECRETARY OF STATE, FREE ENTERPRISE CLUB CLASHING OVER THE EVER CLASHABLE PROP 140.

>> THIS IS INFAMOUS OPEN PRIMARY INITIATIVE TRYING ITS BEST TO GET ONTO THE BALLOT.

IT'S ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE BALLOTS ARE PRINTED WHICH IS WHAT THE FIGHT IS ABOUT.

SECRETARY OF STATE FONTES IS SAYING LISTEN, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE MEASURE ITSELF, BUT TOO LATE FOR THE COURT CASE TO GO ON WITH THE FREE ENTERPRISE CLUB IN PARTICULAR CHALLENGING IT AND TRYING TO GET THE SFROETS COUNTING.

IT'S ALREADY THERE.

LET IT GO FORWARD.

>> BUT THE PROBLEM BECOMES HE WASN'T ASKED TO COMMENT BY THE SUPREME COURT.

HE DOESN'T MAKE A STATUS IS WHAT THE COURTS SAY AND NO REASON FOR HIM TO GET INVOLVED.

THE ISSUE HAD BEEN PROPERLY BRIEFED BY SUPPORTERS OF OPEN PRIMARY, WE HAVE OPEN PRIMARIES, IT'S A NONPARTISAN PRIMARY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE.

NO REASON FOR HIM TO GET INVOLVED, TO PICK A FIGHT, AND HE HAD TO KNOW ONCE HE SIDED WITH SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE UNHAPPY.

>> EXCEPT I THINK HIS BELIEF IS HIS READ OF STATE LAW, AND I BELIEVE HE'S AN ATTORNEY AS WELL.

HE'S BELIEF OF STATE LAW IS HE'S NOT ALLOWED AS THE STATE ELECTIONS OFFICER, TO NOT CANVASS THIS.

HE'S NOT ALLOWED, IN HIS VIEW TO SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE VOTES BUT I CAN'T COUNT THEM.

I THINK IF ANYTHING, IT MAKES SENSE HE WOULD WEIGH IN AND ALLOW THE COURTS TO CONSIDER HIS POINT OF VIEW, WHETHER THEY AGREE WITH HIM OR NOT IS BESIDE THE POINT.

>> EXCEPT FOR THE FACT HE TOOK A CONTRARY POSITION OVER MICHAEL WAY, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT HIM, ABOUT THE FACT HE WAS SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE COULD NOT COUNT THEM.

SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A CONSISTENT POSITION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU DO AND DON'T HAVE TO COUNT.

TED: THE FREE ENTERPRISE CLUB IS SAYING THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE IS BIASED IN THIS, CORRECT?

>> THERE ARE SAYINGS HE HAS POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS AND WE'RE MAKING OUR OWN CASE HERE.

NO ONE ASKED FOR YOUR OPINION, AND THEIR ARGUMENT TO THE COURT IS, WELL, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT ALL THE SIGNATURES ARE INVALID, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, SHOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED IT TO GO FORWARD AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO FROM HERE ON OUT IS NOT COUNT IT.

>> HERE'S THE OTHER PROBLEM, LET'S ASSUME ADRIAN FONTES IS BIASED AGAINST 140.

HE HAS A STATUTORY ROLE AGAINST CANVASSING BUT SAYING WE WANT YOU KEPT OUT OF THE BALLOT COUNTING.

HE DOESN'T COUNT THE BALLOTS.

TED: THEY'RE ALSO SAYING THEY DON'T THINK TAXPAYER RESOURCES SHOULD BE USED TO COUNT 140.

TAXPAYER RESOURCES, KNOCK IT OFF.

>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY THAT HE'S SUPPORTING IT SO MUCH AS TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF CLARIFICATION WHAT HIS JOB IS.

AGAIN, THERE IS AN INCONSISTENCY WITH THE MICHAEL WAY CASE, CLEARLY.

I THINK THE SUPREME COURT HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ON THIS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT COUNTS DEPENDS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ENOUGH SIGNATURES HERE.

THE BIGGER PUBLIC POLICY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE BUMPING UP TO THE END ON ALL OF THESE THINGS?

SEEMS CLEAR THE DEADLINE NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CHALLENGES TO EVERYTHING.

IT IS ASKING THE COURTS A LOT TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WHERE YOU COULD SIMPLY JUST SAY INSTEAD OF JULY 4 OR 3 OR WHATEVER THE DEADLINE IS, WE MOVE IT UP BY A WEEK.

>> THERE ARE MOVES TO DO THAT.

UNDERSTAND THE TRADE-OFF WHEN YOU TALK TO SANDY BARR OF THE SIERRA GROUP, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US LESS TIME BECAUSE WE CAN'T START GATHERING UNTIL AFTER THE PRIOR ELECTION IS CANVASSED, THEN REDUCE THE SIGNATURE REQUIREMENT INSTEAD OF MAKING IT 10% OF THE FOLKS WHO VOTED LAST TIME, MAKE IT 9% OR SOMETHING ELSE.

MEANWHILE THE FOOLS AT THE LEGISLATURE -- I KNOW THEY'RE NOT FOOLS -- BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE IT HARDER TO PUT THINGS ON THE BALLOT.

IF YOU WANT MORE TIME, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

THE PRIMARY USED TO BE IN SEPTEMBER, NOW JULY.

WE SHOULD MOVE UP THE DEADLINE.

>> REPUBLICANS LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY AND THE NEED TO RESTORE CONFIDENCE IN ELECTIONS.

IF WE HAVE A BUNCH OF ELECTIONS WHERE WE VOTE ON STUFF AND IN THE VIEW OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AN ARBITRARY DECISION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COUNT THE VOTE.

THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE THAT YOU CAN DO TO TRICK MY CONFIDENCE IN ELECTIONS.

TED: IT'S AN OPEN PRIMARY.

THIS WHOLE DEAL.

WHERE DO WE STAND ON THIS?

>> WE?

TED: YES, WE, THE ROYAL WE.

WHERE DO WE STAND ON THIS?

>> I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER HEARING ON WEDNESDAY, AND TIMING IS REALLY THE KEY HERE AND THAT'S WHAT CHUCK COUGHLIN'S GROUP, THE PRO MAKE ELECTIONS FAIR IN AZ, THIS IS AGAINST PRECEDENT.

LET IT HAPPEN.

THE VOTERS HAVE THE ULTIMATE SAY.

THIS IS GOING TO THE VOTERS.

THE COURTS HISTORICALLY HAVE LET THINGS GO ON IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THE COURT SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CONSIDER THE SIGNATURE, GO WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND LET IT PLAY OUT THE WAY THE VOTERS WANTED IT TO PLAY OUT.

TED: BACK TO THE MICHAEL WAY FELLOW.

WHO IS MICHAEL WAY AND WHAT'S HE DOING ON THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTRY?

>> WELL, HE SAYS HE'S NEVER REALLY LEFT ARIZONA.

NEVER MIND HE VOTED IN NORTH CAROLINA.

MAYBE THAT'S -- >> BOUGHT A HOUSE, HAS HIS FAMILY THERE.

>> THIS IS THE SAME PROBLEM MARY PETERS RAN INTO WHEN SHE WANTED TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR AND SOMEBODY NOTICED SHE WAS VOTING IN VIRGINIA.

THINGS LIKE THAT.

THE JUDGE WAS SORT OF STUCK.

I THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR THIS PERSON WAS NOT AN ARIZONA RESIDENT FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO THE ELECTION AS IS REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW.

THE JUDGE SAID, WELL, WAIT A SECOND.

HE'S ALREADY ON THE BALLOT, WHY DID YOU BRING IT FORWARD?

NOW THE ARGUMENT OF THE ATTORNEY IS WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT IS NOT AN EXCUSE, SO THE PROBLEM MAY OR MAY NOT TAKE CARE OF ITSELF DEPENDING ON WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DOES, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT HAPPENS, AND LAUREN KNOWS THIS AND CAMRYN KNOWS THIS, THEY HAVE A CREDENTIALS COMMITTEE THAT MEETS THE FIRST DAY OF THE LEGISLATURE, ARE ALL OF THE PEOPLE ELECTED LEGALLY CLEARED TO HOLD OFFICE?

YOU HAVE A VACANCY AND GET TO APPOINT ANOTHER REPUBLICAN.

TED: IS THERE A LITTLE BIT OF JIU-JITSU WHO'S FILING?

SOUNDS LIKE THE REPUBLICANS ARE FILING THIS AGAINST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN TO PUT IN ANOTHER REPUBLICAN.

>> INTERESTING, TIM LESOTO IS FILING THIS ON BEHALF OF REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE PRECINCT WOMAN WHO TESTIFIED FROM THE SENATE, HAPPENS TO BE JAKE HOFFMAN'S DISTRICT, QUEEN CREEK, RUBY RED AREA, AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHO'S FUNDING THE LAWSUIT.

>> SHE SAYS SHE DOESN'T.

>> SHE TESTIFIED SHE DOESN'T.

UNLESS SHE'S LYING ON THE STAND, I'M GOING TO TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR HER OWN LAWSUIT.

YOU CAN'T FIND AN INSIDER AT THE CAPITOL WHO DOESN'T THINK THAT THE FINGERPRINTS OF SENATOR JAKE HOFFMAN AREN'T ALL OVER THIS BECAUSE HE CAMPAIGNED WITH ANOTHER CANDIDATE IN THAT RACE, A DIFFERENT REPUBLICAN WHO COMMITTED TO VOTING FOR ONE OF HOFFMAN'S FELLOW FREEDOM CAUCUS HARD RIGHT CONSERVATIVES, JOE CHAT WICK TO BE HOUSE SPEAKER NEXT YEAR.

THAT GUY LOST BADLY TO MICHAEL WAY, THERE IS THOUGHT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET MICHAEL WAY OUT OF THERE, BUT NOT QUITE OUT BECAUSE THEY WANT HIM TO STAY ON THE BALLOT.

THEY WANT THE VOTES TO COUNT, THEY WANTED HIM AFTERWARDS TO BE TOSSED OUT.

TED: BASICALLY, AS WE CLIMB OUR WAY OUT OF THE RABBIT HOLE HERE, THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING KEEP HIM ON TO REPLACE HIM WITH OUR GUY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING HERE?

>> YES, YEAH, AND NOT THE DEMOCRAT WHOSE NAME IS ALSO ON THE BALLOT AND NOT A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE EITHER, BUT LET HIM GO FORWARD AND INVALIDATE HIM AND WE GET TO PICK SOMEONE ELSE, A REPUBLICAN WHO WE LIKE.

>> THE DEMOCRATS ARE HOPING TO TAKE OVER CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE, BUT RIGHT NOW REPUBLICANS CONTROL BY ONE SEAT IN EACH CHAMBER.

IF THEY WERE TO GET A PICKUP BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ISN'T A REPUBLICAN QUALIFIED ON THE BALLOT AND SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COUNT HIS VOTES, IF THEY WERE TO PICK UP THAT SUIT, GIVE THEM A HUGE LEG UP ON THE QUEST TO TAKE OVER.

TED: THE JUDGE BASICALLY SAID IT'S NOT MY JOB TO DO THIS.

>> AT A TIME.

THERE'S A CONCEPT IN THE LAW CALLED LATCHES.

WHAT LATCHES SAYS IF YOU DELAYED A CASE, WHICH YOU COULD HAVE FILED.

THE SAME THING AS THE PEOPLE CHALLENGING THE ELECTION SAY YOU WAIT UNTIL NOW TO CHALLENGE THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS?

>> DIDN'T THE JUDGE SAY THIS IS THE LEGISLATURE'S RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT MINE?

>> IT IS NOW.

HAD THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE JUDGE, LET'S SAY, AUGUST 15, OR AUGUST 1 OR JULY 15.

WE KNOW WHEN THESE PEOPLE HAD TO QUALIFY, THE JUDGE COULD SAY, OKAY, UNDER TITLE 16, YOU DO NOT QUALIFY, AND WOULD HAVE RESOLVED IT THEN.

TED: OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL VERY CLEAR, I THINK.

>> OF COURSE IT IS.

TED: WENDY ROGERS WAS ALSO VERY CLEAR, DEUTCHLAND, DEUTCHLAND UBERALIS.

>> GERMANY, GERMANY ABOVE ALL, AND NEXT LINE IS ABOVE ALL IN THE WORLD.

IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE 1800s, AND THEN ADOPTED AS THE COUNTRY'S NATIONAL ANTHEM I THINK IN THE 1920s, BUT THEN IT WAS SO OF -- THE WHOLE IDEA IS GERMANY, GERMANY, OVERALL, MEANING LET'S UNIFY, COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE.

UNIFY THE REGIONAL AREA TO SAY THE COUNTRY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

CO-OPTED BY THE NAZIS TO MEAN GERMANY IS MORE SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE ELSE.

AFTER WORLD WAR II, IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM, AND I THINK IF YOU GO SPEAK THOSE -- STAND IN ONE OF THE PLATTSES IN GERMANY, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING OUT OF THERE UNBLEMISHED.

SHE SEEMS TO USE IT NOT JUST A WEEK OR SO AGO, SHE USED IT AFTER THE HARD RIGHT PARTY WON ELECTION AND A COUPLE STATE LEGISLATIVE ELECTIONS, I THINK, SHE GOES ON TWITTER AND PUTS THIS OUT, GERMANY, GERMANY, OVERALL, AND SAYS, WELL, GEEZ, I'M KIDDING.

IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME SHE'S DONE IT.

I THINK IT'S THE THIRD.

TED: AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP.

IT WAS OVER A WEEK AGO, BUT SHE USUALLY DOESN'T RESPOND TO THIS KIND OF STUFF, SHE THINKS EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY, I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING MY WAY.

SHE WAS SAYING THE PRESS, PRESS TROLLS, THEY NEED TO LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A NAZI SYMPATHIZER TO SUPPORT GERMANY.

AND SHE HAD GRANDPARENTS OR A GRANDFATHER THAT FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR I OR WORLD WAR II.

>> SHE'S RIGHT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A NAZI SYMPATHIZER TO SUPPORT GERMANY.

THIS IS A TERM, LIKE USING A CONFEDERATE BATTLE CRY, OR THE CONFEDERATE FLAG, WHICH IS CLEARLY A SYMBOL OF SOMETHING ELSE.

DUCHLAND UBERALIS IS A SYMBOL OF SOMETHING ELSE.

SHE RECOGNIZED, THIS IS A WOMAN WHO SEEMS TO BE IMMUNE, DEFEATED HER PRIMARY FOE HANDILY, DAVID COOK, A HEAVILY REPUBLICAN DISTRICT.

I THINK SHE REALIZED, DO I REALLY NEED TO FIGHT THIS ONE OUT?

TED: IS ANYONE GOING TO, ANYONE FIGHTING ETHICS, ANYTHING GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS?

>> WELL, SOMEONE SAID ARE YOU GOING TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING, GET HER CENSURED AGAIN?

AGAIN, SHE'S BEEN CENSURED FOR SIMILAR REASONS.

IMMUNITY IS THE RIGHT WORD.

THERE IS THE ONE SEAT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY THAT LAURIE MENTIONED IN THE SENATE.

SHE IS UNTOUCHABLE.

SHE IS NOT IN THE COMPETITIVE DISTRICT WHEN IT COMES TO DEMOCRATS VERSUS REPUBLICANS AND DEFEATED HER ONLY REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER AND REPUBLICANS HAVE SAID IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, LIKE SHE'S BETTER THAN FELICIA FRENCH, WHEN SHE IS SAYING THINGS THAT ARE OFFENDING PEOPLE, ARE YOU GOING TO PUSH BACK ON HER?

ARE YOU GOING TO DO ANYTHING MORE THAN CENSURE HER?

THE ANSWER ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE NO.

>> SHE'S A NICE LADY.

TED: HOWIE, SHE'S A NICE PATRIOTIC GRANDMA ACCORDING TO THE SENATE PRESIDENT.

>> NICE PATRIOTIC GRANDMAS CAN ALSO BE RACIST.

>> AND HAS A HISTORY OF SAYING PRETTY RACIST ANTI-SEMITIC THINGS IN THE PAST.

THERE'S ANOTHER DYNAMIC HERE, JUST LIKE WITH THE WAY CASE, ASSUMING THAT THE REPUBLICANS MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE SENATE.

I WOULD ASSUME THERE WOULD BE AN EFFORT TO CHANGE THE SENATE PRESIDENCY POTENTIALLY.

TED: YES.

>> AND WARREN PETERSON IS GOING TO NEED EVERY VOTE HE CAN GET TO MAINTAIN CONTROL.

I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT IRRITATING ANYBODY IN THAT FAR RIGHT CORNER, AND POTENTIALLY LOSING A VOTE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

TED: DOESN'T WANT TO GET THE PATRIOTIC GRANDMA VOTE.

HOWIE, ELON MUSK IS VERY INTERESTED IN ARIZONA ELECTIONS, IS HE X'ING OR TWEETING?

>> HE HAS WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS HE.

HAS DECIDED AS THE FAR RIGHT GROUPS, THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS WHO ARE VOTING ON THE ROLLS.

THIS IS GOING THROUGH THE COURT.

NOBODY HAS PROOF OF THAT.

NEVER BEEN AN ACTUAL FINDING, NEVER BEEN A CASE BROUGHT.

I THINK THEY HAD TWO PEOPLE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS WHO HAVE BEEN CHARGED, BUT HE'S CONVINCED THAT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE STATE ALLOWS, AS FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES -- >> HE DOESN'T MENTION THAT.

>> IF YOU USE A FEDERAL FORM THAT SAID THE NATURAL VOTER REGISTRATION ACT ALLOWS, YOU CAN SIGN UP TO VOTE WITHOUT PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP AND VOTE IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.

TRUE.

THE CLAIM IS, AND IT'S WORKING THROUGH A LAWSUIT, THAT OF THE 40 SOME THOUSAND PEOPLE REGISTERED WITH FORMS, THEY MUST ALL BE NONCITIZENS, WHY AREN'T THE COUNTY RECORDERS SEARCHING FOR THEM?

THE COUNTY RECORDERS ARE SAYING, A, NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

B, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS.

C, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATABASE, AND D, MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY, WHEN, IN FACT, THE PEOPLE I TALK TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS?

STUDENT COMES TO THE UNIVERSITY, THEY DON'T HAVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

THEY WANT TO REGISTER.

REGISTER WITH THE FEDERAL FORM SO YOU GET THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

TED: AND CAMRYN, SAID THE STATE WAS REFUSING TO REMOVE NONCITIZENS.

>> I THINK HE SAID ILLEGALS, BUT, YES.

TED: WHATEVER, BUT BASICALLY MAKING THAT COMMENT.

WHY THE -- WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

>> IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAWSUIT THAT HOWIE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC EYE AND TRICKLED INTO HIS WORLD, AND HE'S SPREADING THIS CLAIM WITH A LOT OF TRACTION TO PEOPLE, A LOT OF WHOM ARE NOT IN ARIZONA, WHO BELIEVE THAT, WHO MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE INTRICATE UNDERSTANDING OF ARIZONA ELECTION LAWS THAT HOWIE DOES BECAUSE HOWIE KNOWS MORE THAN ANYONE, BUT PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY RECORDERS ARE INTENTIONALLY VIOLATING A LAW, THERE ISN'T SUCH LAW THAT REQUIRES THEM TO DO WHAT MUSK SAYS THEY SHOULD DO, AND ALLOW PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR SURE NON-U.S. CITIZENS WHICH NO ONE CAN PROVE, TO VOTE.

>> I BELIEVE THEY COMB THROUGH THE LISTS AND CHECK THEM AGAINST CERTAIN DATABASES, IT'S HARD TO WITH CERTAIN INFORMATION YOU HAVE, YOU CAN'T GO INTO A DHS DATABASE AND HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS AND THINGS TO PUT THE PEOPLE TOGETHER, BUT I BELIEVE THEY GO AND CHECK THE DATABASES THEY HAVE ACCESS TO.

>> AND THE DATABASES THEY HAVE ACCESS TO.

LET'S SAY THEY CHECK WITH HOMELAND SECURITY, HOMELAND SECURITY WILL HAVE A DATABASE OF THE PEOPLE THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH.

>> RIGHT.

>> THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAN I ARE NOT HERE LEGALLY.

MAYBE HAVE TEMPORARY PROTECTIVE STATUS.

NOT BEING IN THE DATABASE DOES NOT MEAN YOU SNUCK ACROSS THE BORDER.

I'M ASSUMING, I AM NOT IN THE DHS DATABASE, IF I USE THE FEDERAL FORM, DOES THAT MAKE ME AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT?

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT HERE, TWO THINGS, WE'RE THE ONLY STATE IN THE COUNTRY THAT REQUIRES DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN STATE AND LOCAL ELECTIONS.

ELON MUSK WANTS TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE LUCY GOOSEY LAWS, COME ON IN AND VOTE.

WE HAVE STRONGER LAWS THAN ANYONE ELSE BUT CAN'T SUPERSEDE FEDERAL LAW.

FEDERAL LAW MAKES YOU SIGN THE PIECE OF PAPER YOU ARE AGREEING UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY YOU ARE A CITIZEN HERE, AND IF YOU LIE ABOUT THAT AND THEY FIND OUT, YOU ARE SUBJECT TO POSSIBLE JAIL TIME, TO FINE, OR IF YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, YOU HAVE YOUR BACKSIDE KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

>> THIS IS PART OF THE LARGER TRUMP GROUP AGENDA, THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING PURPOSELY TRYING TO IMPORT PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, AND GET THEM HERE AND GET THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE BECAUSE TRUMP LOST BY 10,400 VOTES IN ARIZONA, AND THE 40,000 PEOPLE USING THE FEDERAL FORM?

MUST BE A PART OF THE CONSPIRACY TO MAKE KAMALA HARRIS.

>> I CAN'T RECALL THE NUMBERS OFFHAND.

WE HAVE 42,000 REGISTERED TO VOTE USING THE FEDERAL FORM.

VOTE FEED ANALYSIS WOULD SAY THEY ARE MOSTLY GROUPED AROUND THE THREE COLLEGE CAMPUSES IN FLAGSTAFF, TUCSON AND TEMPE.

FEWER THAN THAT IN 2020, MAYBE LIKE 30 SOME THOUSAND, AND NOT EVEN HALF OF THOSE VOTED, AND I SAW A BREAKDOWN FROM MARICOPA COUNTY, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THEM ARE, AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

IF EVERY ONE OF THEM HAD BEEN HERE ILLEGALLY, STILL WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.

>> HAVE WE CHECKED TO SEE IF PEOPLE'S PETS ARE GETTING EATEN IN TEMPE, FLAGSTAFF AND TUCSON?

TED: GREAT IDEA.

WE SHOULD ALL GET ON THE STORY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ON THE STORY ANY LONGER.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS ALMOST I GUESS AS RELEVANT.

LAURIE, START WITH YOU.

ESA, THE FACEBOOK PAGE DUSTUP REGARDING PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IF THEY WANT TO TEACH THEIR CHILDREN THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT, BRING THE MONEY IN.

>> THEY HAVE A PRIVATE FACEBOOK PAGE FOR PARENTS WHO GET SCHOOL VOUCHERS EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIP FUNDS, ONE WAS ASKING DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A CURRICULUM TIED TO A FLAT EARTH CURRICULUM?

ATTORNEY GENERAL KRIS MAYES SAID IF YOU ARE SPENDING OUR MONEY, IT HAS TO BE TIED TO SOMETHING EDUCATIONAL, A CURRICULUM OF SOME SORT.

HERE COMES THE ESA PARENT LOOKING FOR A FLAT EARTH CURRICULUM, AND OTHER ESA PARENTS ARE LIKE, IS THIS A JOKE?

I THINK THEY GET IT SOME THINGS ARE GOING TOO FAR.

IN FACT, WE DON'T HAVE RULES SAYING IF SHE DOES FIND A FLAT EARTH CURRICULUM, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, THERE IS NOTHING IN THE STATE LAW -- IF A MOTHER WANTS TO TEACH HER CHILD THAT 2+ 2 IS 8 AND WANTS TO GET A CURRICULUM TO SAY THAT, WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT.

TED: TOM HORNE SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS GOES BEYOND THE PALE?

>> SLOWLY COMING AROUND TO IT.

REMEMBER HIS SUPPORT INITIALLY, THIS IS EMPOWERING PARENTS, I THINK HE'S RECOGNIZING IT'S HURTING HIS CAUSE.

THE TRICKY PROBLEM BECOMES YOU AND I, AND WE SIT AROUND AND SAY THE EARTH ISN'T FLAT, YOU SEE IT IN SPACE, IT'S AN ORB, WHERE DO YOU DRY THE LINE IF SOMEBODY HAS A CURRICULUM THAT SAYS THE DINOSAURS LIVED AT THE SAME TIME AS ADAM AND EVE, I CAN CITE ALL THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE I WANT TO SHOW THAT IS NOT TRUE.

DOES THAT MAKE IT NECESSARILY AN UNACCEPTABLE FORM.

>> NO.

THE WAY THE LAW IS WRITTEN, IF THE PARENTS WANT TO BE EMPOWERED TO TEACH CHILDREN GOBBLEDYGOOK, WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTED WITH BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE PUT NO GUARDRAILS AROUND THE PROGRAM.

TED: CAMRYN, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE LEGISLATURE WILL QUIETLY EVEN DISTANTLY PUT ANY KIND OF GUARDRAIL ON THIS PROGRAM?

>> THAT DEPENDS ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE, IF YOU ASK THE DEMOCRATS, THAT'S ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES IF AND WHEN THEY EVER TAKE OVER IS TO WALK BACK THE ESA PROGRAM.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THEY WANT TO ABOLISH IT BUT WALK IT BACK TO BEFORE UNIVERSAL EXPANSION, IT APPLIES TO STUDENTS WHO HAVE DISABILITIES BUT NOT UNIVERSALLY TO ALL STUDENTS WHO WANT TO GO TO HOME SCHOOLS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

>> MUST HAVE A LEGITIMATE EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE HERE, AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY THAT FLAT EARTH SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE A LEGITIMATE -- I DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN FIND A WELL-WRITTEN BOOK THAT MAKES WONDERFUL POINTS THAT ARE INACCURATE ABOUT IT.

AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY THIS IS NOT LEGITIMATE?

>> IT GOES TO THE PROBLEM THEY THINK DEMOCRATS HAVE WITH ESAs NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, TAXPAYER DOLLARS GOING TO PRIVATE AND HOME SCHOOLS WHERE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE A SAY OVER THE CURRICULUM.

IT'S NOT THE STANDARD CURRICULUM THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAVE TO FOLLOW.

TEACHERS CAN'T TEACHER WHATEVER THEY WANT.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW SOMETHING PRETTY STRICT AND THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS IS CONCERNING TO DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE FEAR, WHAT IF IT'S FLAT EARTH OR USING SCHOOL MONEY ON LAWNMOWERS AND TRAMPOLINES.

>> OR ESPRESSO MACHINES OR KAYAK.

>> CULINARY SCIENCE CLASS.

>> YOU ARE DOWN TO THE PROBLEM OF, IF YOU WANT ME TO DRAW THE LINES, I TELL YOU WHERE I DRAW THE LINES, WITH TRYING TO -- EVEN IF THE DEMOCRATS TAKE OVER, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINES THAT IS LEGITIMATE?

IS IT GRAVITY OR DOES THE EARTH SUCK?

THE THEORY OF GRAVITY IS A THEORY.

IS IT A WARP IN THE SPACE TIME CONTINUUM, OR IS IT JUST THE MASS OF SOMETHING?

YOU'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF ISSUES THERE.

TED: WELL, IT'S A THEORY BUT A DIFFERENT THEORY THAN THERE ARE LITTLE GREEN MEN ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE WHO ARE PULLING STRINGS AND THUS GRAVITY.

>> THEY LIVE IN LAVEEN WITH ME.

TED: OKAY, HOWIE.

IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL STILL INVESTIGATE THE ESAs, IS THAT GOING ON?

>> I THINK SO.

SHE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS WHEN THEY'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION.

I BELIEVE SO, SHE SENT A LETTER OUT EARLY THIS SUMMER DEMANDING CERTAIN INFORMATION, INCLUDING A DEMAND THAT THE MONEY BE TIED TO AN ACTUAL CURRICULUM SO WE KNOW THE KIDS ARE LEARNING SOMETHING.

EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING BOGUS.

TED: BEFORE WE GO HERE, NEW LAWS TAKE EFFECT HERE, DONE DEAL FOR A FEW THINGS.

COUPLE MINUTES LEFT HERE.

VERY QUICKLY.

THINK ABOUT THE NEW LAW THAT YOU THINK IS THE MOST INTERESTING, THE MOST IMPORTANT, THE MOST FILL IN THE BLANK, HOWIE?

>> PLUTO IS NOW AN OUT-OF-STATE PLANET.

IN TERMS OF SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE, THE REPEAL THE ABORTION LAW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE 1864 LAW THERE, AND ON THE OTHER END OF LIFE, YOU CAN COMPOST GRANDMA AND PUT HER IN WITH ALFALFA IN THE GARDEN.

>> THEY'RE GIVING THEMSELVES ANOTHER 26 DAYS THEY CAN PUT CAMPAIGN SIGNS OUT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER 26 DAYS OF THE EYESORES IN THE NEXT ELECTION CYCLE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

TED: ANYTHING ELSE?

>> YOU CAN HAVE CHICKENS IN YOUR BACKYARD.

THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, ISN'T IT, HOWIE?

>> IT IS.

>> WHAT ELSE?

MOTORCYCLE HELMETS FOR 16 AND 17-YEAR-OLDS, A GOOD IDEA, THEY SHOULD ALL WEAR THEM.

TED: ALL RIGHT, CAMRYN.

>> ALL THAT'S LEFT TO SAY IS TAMALES.

TED: SURPRISED TAMALE BILL DIDN'T MAKE IT SO FAR.

AND YOU CAN HAVE CHICKEN TAMALES.

>> DON'T COUNT ON TAMALES SATURDAY BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SAYS THE LAW IS IN EFFECT.

IT TOOK TWO YEARS AND A GUBERNATORIAL VETO AND THREAT OF GUBERNATORIAL OVERRIDE TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE.

>> WHAT DO YOU BET WE SEE A PHOTO-OP OF KATIE HOBBS EATING TAMALES.

TED: LET'S ALL WAIT FOR THAT.

PANEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.