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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," IT'S THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING RETIREMENT OF ARIZONA SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ROBERT BRUTINEL.

JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE IS NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY, AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT, HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITOL MEDIA SERVICES.

CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ RADIO AND JIM SMALL OF THE "ARIZONA MIRROR."

PANEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

HOWIE, ONE-TIME CHIEF JUSTICE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ROBERT BRUTINEL GOING TO CALL IT A DAY, HANG IT UP.

THIS IS INTERESTING NOT JUST BECAUSE HE'S LEAVING THE COURT BUT WHAT IT MEANS FOR A REPLACEMENT.

>> HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE ANYWAY.

MANDATORY RETIREMENT AGE IS 70.

THE NORMAL PROCEDURE IS AFTER SOMEBODY SERVED FIVE YEARS AS CHIEF JUSTICE, IT GETS HANDED OFF TO THE NEXT PERSON, ANN SCOTT TIMMER AND FADE OFF INTO THE FOREST.

HE DECIDED LOOK, IF I MAKE MY ANNOUNCEMENT NOW, IT GIVES THE COMMISSION ON APPELLATE COURT APPOINTMENTS TIME TO SCREEN APPLICANTS, FIND PEOPLE, SEND THE NAMES TO THE GOVERNOR AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TO CHOOSE FROM THAT LIST.

THIS ISN'T LIKE THE U.S. SENATE WHERE THE PRESIDENT GETS TO NAME WHOEVER HE WANTS SUBJECT TO SENATE CONFIRMATION.

NUMBER ONE, KATIE HOBBS IS GOES TO GET AN APPOINTMENT.

SHE'S BEEN DYING FOR THAT ALL ALONG.

NUMBER TWO IS WE HAVE TWO OTHER JUSTICES, DOUG DUCEY APPOINTEES UP FOR RETENTION.

IF THEY DON'T GET RETAINED AND VOTERS OVERTURN PROP 137, SHE GETS THREE APPOINTMENTS TO THE SEVEN MEMBER COURT, THAT COUPLED WITH ANN SCOTT TIMMER, GIVES HER MAJORITY.

TED: BRUTINEL WAS APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR JAN BREWER, THE ENTIRE COURT APPOINTED BY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS.

JUST THIS ONE CHANGES THE MAKEUP.

IF THERE ARE TWO, THREE, THIS IS A PRETTY BIG DEAL.

>> IT IS A BIG DEAL, AS HOWIE MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL THE ELECTION HOW MANY SHE GETS TO APPOINT.

MOST LIKELY IT'S A DEMOCRAT.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR HER TO DO, AND THERE ARE NAMES FLOATED AROUND, PRIMARILY PEOPLE IN HER CORNER WHO HAVE BEEN STAUNCH SUPPORTERS, GONEA POTENTIALLY.

TED: WHAT NAMES ARE YOU HEARING, JIM?

>> A BIG ROSTER OF DEMOCRATIC ATTORNEYS AND JUDGES, FOLKS WHO ARE LOWER ON THE BENCH IN THE TRIAL COURT, SUPERIOR COURT, FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND FROM THE NAPOLITANO DAYS.

I THINK JAN BREWER APPOINTED A HANDFUL OF DEMOCRATS WHO ARE OUT THERE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHO THROWS THEIR HAT IN THE RING AND HOW THE PROCESS MOVES FORWARD.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN A SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENT IN A NUMBER OF YEARS, CERTAINLY WITH KATIE HOBBS AND THE APPELLATE COURT COMMISSION SHE PUT TOGETHER.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING EXERCISE AND FLEXING MUSCLES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FLEXED IN A WHILE.

TED: I WAS GOING TO SAY, THE COMMISSION -- IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHO'S ON THE COMMISSION AND SHE MADE A DIFFERENCE ON THAT SELECTION.

>> YES, YOU HAVE THE FACT MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE DUCEY HOLDOVERS.

UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, UNDER THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, IF THEY ONLY SENT UP THREE NAMES, ONE HAS TO BE FROM A DIFFERENT PARTY.

IF MORE THAN THREE NAMES GO UP, NO MORE THAN 60% CAN BE OF ONE PARTY.

SOME POOR REPUBLICAN HAS TO PUT IN A NAME BECAUSE IT HELPS THE SYSTEM WORK.

THE SAME AS DEMOCRATS PUT IN NAMES DURING DUCEY.

AS FAR AS WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO DO.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO JUSTICES APPOINTED WHO ARE NOT PARTY MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNOR.

ONE IS RUTH McGREGOR, A DEMOCRAT, APPOINTED BY JANE HULL, HAD A CONSERVATIVE RECORD AS A COURT OF APPEALS JUDGE AND NUMBER TWO IS CLINT BOLICK, ON PAPER IS A LIBERTARIAN.

THE FACT IS I'D BE WILLING TO BET YOU LUNCH, DINNER AND A TRIP TO MARS THAT THE NEXT APPOINTMENTS OR TWO OR THREE ARE DEMOCRATS.

TED: I'VE ALREADY READ SOMEWHERE, WHAT AN INTERESTING IDEA, MAYBE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, MAYBE THE SECRETARIES, TO GET THEM OUT OF HER HAIR, SHE GOES AHEAD AND DOES THAT POSSIBILITY?

>> I HEARD THE RUMOR AND THE DRAMA WOULD BE DELICIOUS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO DO IT AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FORCE THEM, YOU CAN SAY HEY YOU'VE BEEN TAPPED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THE JOB?

IF I WERE KRIS MAYES OR ADRIAN FONTES, I WOULD SAY NO THANK YOU.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AS JUDGES.

WOULD VOTERS APPRECIATE THAT, THE PEOPLE THEY PICKED TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL POTENTIALLY BEING ASKED TO LEAVE THEIR JOBS?

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS LEGAL.

YOU MAY NOT SERVE ANOTHER STATE OFFICE DURING THE TERM YOU'VE BEEN ELECTED.

EVEN RESIGNING.

KRIS MAYES WOULD SAY I LIKE THE BLACK ROBES, THEY LOOK GOOD ON ME.

TED: MUST BE GREAT CONVERSATION AT PARTIES.

AS FAR AS THE PROCESS GOES, THERE'S NO SENATE CONFIRMATION HERE, IS THERE?

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE DEALS WHERE THE SENATE IS GOING TO BANG THE GAVEL AND SAY NO, THESE WERE NOT PASSED HERE.

>> THESE ARE LIKE APPOINTMENTS TO THE U.S. SUPREME COURT, THE PRESIDENT PICKS THEM AND SENT TO THE U.S. SENATE AND THE SENATE FIGHTS AND DECIDES WHETHER THEY CONFIRM THEM OR NOT.

BASICALLY WE HAVE APPELLATE COMMISSION THAT SCREENS JUDICIAL APPLICANTS.

JUDICIAL RETENTION MERIT SELECTION PROGRAM THAT IS IN OUR STATE CONSTITUTION THAT AS HOWIE MENTION EARLIER IS POTENTIALLY FACING MAJOR CHANGES AT THE BALLOT BOX.

FOLKS WILL APPLY TO THE POSITION, THEY'LL PUT OUT A CALL AND SAY WE HAVE AN OPEN SEAT ON A BENCH.

WE'LL SEEK APPLICATIONS, THE APPLICATIONS COME IN, THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE, WE GET TO INTERVIEW OUT OF THE 50 PEOPLE WHO APPLIED, INTERVIEW TEN PEOPLE AND GIVE THEM AN INTERVIEW AND OTHER TEN PEOPLE, AND WE WHITTLE IT DOWN TO FIVE PEOPLE AND WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE GOVERNOR, AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TO CHOOSE FROM THE LIST.

>> ALSO INTERESTING, IF THE GOVERNOR BALKS, ED MECUM BALKED AT NOMINATION, AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE SAID IF YOU DON'T CHOOSE, I GET TO CHOOSE WHO'S THE NEXT JUDGE, THAT WILL GET THE GOVERNOR'S ATTENTION.

TED: I WAS GOING TO SAY THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS CONSIDERED A RELATIVE MODERATE THAT THE POINT?

>> AT THIS POINT.

THAT GETS TO THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD AROUND HERE, IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU HAVE MODERATES, RIGHT, RIGHTER, RIGHTIST, OFF THE WALL KIND OF THING.

TED: YES, NO SENATE CONFIRMATION UNLIKE AGENCY HEADS, HOW IS THAT FOR A TRANSITION.

>> GOOD.

TED: STORY COMES OUT THAT THE AGENCY, THE EXECUTIVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR, WHATEVER SHE WAS CALLING THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE AGENCIES, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE THING NEXT SESSION BUT NO PAY CUTS, HUH?

>> NOT THAT SURPRISED BY IT.

WHEN THEY WERE IN THE FIRST JOB, THEY WERE THE DIRECTORS AND GOT THE NICE SALARY AND THAT MADE SENSE AND GOT DEMOTED AND GOT TO KEEP THE DOLLARS, THE DEPUTY DIRECTORS ARE GETTING PAID AS MUCH AS THE DIRECTORS?

THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON.

THEY CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE CHAOTIC SENATE CONFIRMATION PROCESS PRESUMABLY BUT KEEP THE SALARIES, THEY MIGHT AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE THAT LONG, ARE THEY?

I THINK ALSO THERE WOULD BE A CONTRACT ISSUE, THEY ARE HIGHER WITH A CERTAIN SALARY.

>> YOU SERVE AT THE PLEASURE.

THIS IS NOT LIKE WHEN THE U OF A PRESIDENT WHO IS GOING TO KEEP $700,000 SALARY BECAUSE HE HAS A CONTRACT.

>> UNTIL 2026, RIGHT?

>> YES, YOU SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE GOVERNOR.

AND THE GOVERNOR SAYS I DON'T WANT YOU.

THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF AGENCIES, DEPARTMENT OF INSURANCE AND DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAT HAS FIXED TERMS.

THE REST OF THEM SERVE AT THE PLEASURE.

THE GOVERNOR'S ARGUMENT WAS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED CONTINUITY IN THERE, AND TWO OF THE AGENCIES THEY STILL ARE RUNNING THEM BECAUSE THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE DIRECTOR IS SOMEBODY FROM OUR OFFICE.

TED: INTERIM DIRECTORS.

>> INTERIM DIRECTORS.

AND I THINK SHE WANTS TO HANG AROUND.

SOMEWHERE IN THE BACK OF HER MIND SHE'S THINKING, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEMOCRATS TAKE OVER, I'M GOING TO PUT THEIR NAMES BACK IN AND GET THEM CONFIRMED IF JAKE HOFFMAN ISN'T THERE BLOWING THE PLACE UP.

TED: THAT'S A BIG IF, JIM, IF IT HAPPENS, ALL BETS ARE OFF, IF IT DOESN'T, YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THE MERRY-GO-ROUND, ARE YOU NOT?

>> IF THE REPUBLICANS LOSE ONE SEAT MAJORITY AND THE DEMOCRATS RIDE THE ENTHUSIASM THEY HOPE PROPELS THEM TO A MAJORITY, WE SEE BOTH THE DIRECTORS GO BACK INTO DIRECTOR SPOTS AND GET APPROVED BY A DEMOCRATIC SENATE.

IF NOT, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'VE SEEN THIS FIGHT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AND WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IF REPUBLICANS MAINTAIN CONTROL, SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO APPOINT NEW PEOPLE AND KEEPING HER POWDER DRY UNTIL THE END OF NOVEMBER.

TED: WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE DRAMA OF IT ALL, THE TRUST, OR LACK THEREOF.

WHEN SHE DOES SOMETHING THE REPUBLICANS DON'T THINK THAT'S A NICE THING OR WISE IDEA, DO NOT GIVE THE PEOPLE PAY CUTS WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER RUNNING THE -- HOW DOES THAT IMPACT IF REPUBLICANS STAY IN POWER AND GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN?

>> MIGHT TAKE THE EDGE OFF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET CONFIRMED IF THEY KEEP THE SALARY FOR A BIT LONGER.

TED: JUST THE PROCESS, JUST THE PROCESS.

>> IT ADDS TO THE HYPERPARTISANSHIP WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST -- SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND -- AT THE LEGISLATURE AND THE INTENSITY WITH WHICH -- AGENCY HEADS ARE NOT NECESSARILY A SUPER POLITICAL THING.

THEY GO ABOUT THEIR JOB AND DOING THE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT WITHOUT AS MUCH OF THE DRAMA AS I SAID EARLIER, BUT THE WHOLE DINO COMMITTEE THING ADDS TO THE SENSE OF INSTABILITY AND THE SENSE OF PARTISANSHIP IN THE OFFICES.

>> AND THE IMPORTANT POINT THAT CAMRYN MAKES IS THE CREATION OF THIS DIRECTOR NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE, WHICH NEVER EXISTED BEFORE, AND I'VE BEEN COVERING THE PLACE SINCE THE 80s.

IT WAS SAID IF YOU DIRECTOR OF THE HEALTH COMMITTEE, YOU WENT TO A HEALTH COMMITTEE OR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE.

THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO A DEEPER DIVE, WHICH ON THE SURFACE SOUNDS GREAT.

THIS BECAME NOT AN ISSUE OF THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, IT BECAME A LITMUS TEST.

FOR EXAMPLE, KAREN PETERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AT QUALITY WAS ASKED WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ROAD DIETS AND ALL THE STUFF THAT HAD LITTLE TO DO WITH HA SHE WAS DOING.

TED: ARE WE GOING EXPECT THE SHARP ELBOWS THIS GO AROUND AND DOES THE GOVERNOR DOING THIS IMPACT THAT FORMULA?

>> IF REPUBLICANS ARE CONTROLLING THE SENATE, YEAH, THE SHARP ELBOWS ARE IN THE WAY.

THE SCENARIO WHICH THEY'RE SINGING KUMBAYA AROUND THE CAMPFIRE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

DOES IT AFFECT IT?

YEAH, BUT NOT LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF TRUST TO BEGIN WITH, AND IF REPUBLICANS KEEP CONTROL AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TO APPOINT AND NOMINATE NEW PEOPLE, I WONDER HOW LONG THE FORMER DIRECTORS TURNED EXECUTIVE, INTERIM DIRECTORS OR WHATEVER THE TITLE WAS HOW LONG THEY STICK AROUND, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE COLLECTING THE SALARY FOR TWO YEARS.

TED: CAMRYN, WE HAVE POLLS HERE, KAMALA HARRIS AT THE BORDER.

IS SHE STILL AT THE BORDER AS WE SPEAK OR MOVED ON?

IS SHE STILL DOWN THERE?

>> I BELIEVE SHE'S DOWN THERE.

TED: WE'RE RECORDING LATE THIS AFTERNOON.

"NEW YORK TIMES"-SIENNA COLLEGE POLL TRUMP UP BY 5.

"FOX NEWS POLL," TRUMP UP BY 3.

LOT OF THE POLLS HEADED THE OTHER WAY AROUND WITH HARRIS LEADING A MONTH OR SO AGO.

WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE?

>> COULD BE THIS IS THE DIP WE EXPECTED.

HER INITIAL ANNOUNCEMENT GOT PEOPLE EXCITED AND THERE WAS A CHANGE AT THE TOP AND STIRRED UP DISINTERESTED VOTERS, BUT NOW THE EXCITEMENT HAS MADE IT NOT NEWS ANYMORE AND POTENTIALLY THAT THIS IS THE AFTERMATH OF THAT.

THIS IS A HISTORICALLY RED STATE AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS SINCE BIDEN LOST BY THE SMALL MARGIN.

TED: THE "NEW YORK TIMES" SIENNA POLL SHOWS LATINOS MOVING AWAY FROM HARRIS?

>> HENCE THE BORDER VISIT.

ONE, SHE'S SHOWING HER FACE IN ARIZONA.

TWO SHOWING HER FACE AT SOUTHERN BORDER, WHICH I DON'T THINK SHE'S DONE SINCE SHE ANNOUNCED SHE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND THREE, COURTING THE LATINO VOTE.

THE CRUCIAL DEMOGRAPHIC.

>> THESE ARE QUOTE, UNQUOTE LIKELY VOTERS, WHICH DETERMINED BY WHETHER YOU VOTE IN THE PAST OR SAID YOU'RE A LIKELY VOTER.

THE BIG WILD CARD IS THE STUFF ON THE BALLOT, PARTICULARLY THE ABORTION ISSUE, BOTH IN TERMS OF THIS RACE AND CERTAINLY THE SENATE RACE, WHERE IF FOLKS, TURNING OUT TO SUPPORT PROP 139, THE RIGHT TO ABORTION, AND ALL THE POLLS SUGGEST THAT IS WAY UP, WHO ELSE DO THEY VOTE FOR ONCE THEY'RE THERE.

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENTIAL AND SENATE RACES ARE BEFORE THEY GET TO THE BALLOT MEASURES.

DO THEY SAY I'M FOR ABORTION RIGHTS BUT VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP, NO MATTER THE FACT HE WAS THE ONE WHO APPOINTED THE JUSTICES WHO OVERTURNED ROE V. WADE?

YOU NOTICE HOW TRUMP IS BACKING AWAY SAYING EVERYTHING IS FINE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT ABORTION, WE RETURNED IT TO THE STATE.

THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LOT BETTER.

TED: IMMIGRATION AND THE ECONOMY, NOT ABORTION, THE TWO BIG ISSUES IN THE POLLS THAT PEOPLE RESPONDED TO.

>> YEAH, AND I THINK WE'VE SEEN NATIONALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL POLLS, YOU'VE SEEN KAMALA HARRIS MAKE INROADS ON THE ECONOMY, RIGHT?

I THINK FOR A LONG TIME, TRUMP HAS BEEN VIEWED AS THE CANDIDATE FAVORED AMONG VOTERS ON THE ECONOMY, BY A SIZABLE MARGIN.

YOU'VE SEEN IN THE NATIONAL POLLS YOU'VE SEEN KAMALA HARRIS, SOME OF THEM GET EVEN, GET ON 50-50 AS TO WHO IS BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY, BUT NARROWING THE GAP, AND FOR DEMOCRATS THAT IS THE KEY IS TO WIN ON THE ECONOMY, OR TO AT LEAST BECOME COMPETITIVE ON ECONOMIC ISSUES AND FOCUSED ON THAT A LOT THIS WEEK.

WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE POLLS ABOUT -- THAT ARE FOCUSED ON LATINOS IN PARTICULAR IN ARIZONA AND BATTLEGROUND STATES AND FOR ONES UNDECIDED BETWEEN HARRIS AND TRUMP, ECONOMICS ARE THE DRIVER.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES.

AS OPPOSED TO THE ONES WHO SUPPORT TRUMP WHO SAY IMMIGRATION AND CRIME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT HARRIS WHO SAY DEMOCRACY AND ABORTION RIGHTS AND EDUCATION ARE MORE IMPORTANT.

I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THEM TAYLOR THEIR ARGUMENTS BROADLY AND THEY WILL DO THE SAME THING IN BATTLEGROUND STATES AND COMMUNITIES THEY NEED TO TURN OUT IN THEIR FAVOR.

TED: LATINO VOTERS, 10% SAID THEY WERE STILL UNDECIDED IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES"-SIENNA COLLEGE POLL.

IT SUGGESTS THERE IS MOVEMENT EITHER DIRECTION OUT THERE.

>> YEAH, OF COURSE IT'S POLLING, YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL ELECTION DAY.

>> AND TO THAT POINT, EARLY BALLOTS GO OUT THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER.

I'M REALLY HARD PRESSED TO BELIEVE THAT 10% OF ANY GROUP, AFTER MONTHS, YEARS OF ALL THIS GOING ON, REALLY SAYS, I STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR.

THOSE ARE PEOPLE NOT ANSWERING THE POLLSTERS' QUESTIONS.

>> UNDECIDED ON ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

HOW'S THAT?

AS FAR AS THE SENATE RACE IS CONCERNED, ALL RIGHT, HOWIE, STICK WITH YOU.

WE'VE GOT THE "FOX NEWS POLL" WHICH IS AN EYEBROW RAISER.

GALLEGO UP 14 POINTS OVER LAKE.

CNN-SUFFOLK UNIVERSITY HAS GALLEGO UP BY 6, BUT FOX NEWS, 14 POINTS?

WHAT?

>> I'M NEVER SURE, GIVEN FOX'S CREDIBILITY ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES, NEVER SURE WHETHER THEY'RE DOING THAT TO SHOCK PEOPLE AND GET THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS OUT OR WHATEVER.

THE MOST REALISTIC FIGURE IS FIVE TO SEVEN POINTS, BASED ON THE POLLS WE'VE SEEN.

I KNOW THAT KARI PUT OUT ANOTHER STATEMENT TODAY.

THERE'S A PATH TO VICTORY WITHIN THE 2% MARGIN OF ERROR.

YOU HAVE RASMUSSEN TILTED TO THE RIGHT.

SHE HAS HER OWN INTERNAL POLLING.

MAY COME DOWN TO THAT.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW -- SHE'S NEVER LED IN THIS RACE AND REUBEN HAS THREE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY AS SHE DOES.

GOD HELP US TURN ON A COMMERCIAL STATION, NOT YET, FOLKS, TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ADS OUT THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A PATH TO VICTORY FOR HER.

TED: AND IT DOES SHOW, THE POLL AFTER POLL SHOWS, TRUMP'S NUMBERS BETTER THAN LAKE'S NUMBERS IN ARIZONA.

>> THAT'S NOT A NEW PHENOMENA.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN FOR SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS, SHE IS CONSISTENTLY TRAILING DONALD TRUMP, NOT BY A LITTLE BIT BUT A LOT, AND IN PARTICULAR AMONG REPUBLICANS.

SOME OF THE POLLS HAVE SHOWN HER 10, 15, ALMOST 20% FAVORABILITY BEHIND TRUMP OR VOTER, WHO VOTERS SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PICK.

THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR TRUMP AND NOT SUPPORT HER, AND IT SPEAKS TO A PROBLEM SHE HAS WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN RUNNING IN A CONTESTED RACE IN A BATTLEGROUND STATE, THAT IS A REALLY BAD PROBLEM TO HAVE.

YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN THE PARTY TO BE THAT TURNED OFF BY YOU THEY SUPPORT THE DEMOCRAT OR SKIP THE RACE ALTOGETHER, WHICH FRANKLY IS WHAT WE SAW IN THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE.

YOU WANT TO POINT A BIG REASON SHE LOST TO KATIE HOBBS, THERE ARE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS AND OTHERWISE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS WHO SAID I DON'T LIKE EITHER OF THE PEOPLE, I'M GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT TICKET.

TED: THE LAST THING ON "FOX NEWS POLL," 23% SAY THEY'LL GO WITH GALLEGO.

>> JIM WAS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SUPPORT TRUMP MORE AND WANT TO VOTE FOR HIM, AND NOT LAKE.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR IT.

SOME OF IT BEING GALLEGO BEING A STRONG CANDIDATE BUT IT'S LAKE OFFENDING PEOPLE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WITH HER STATEMENTS.

TALKED MANY TIMES ABOUT HER TELLING McCAIN TO GET OUT AND FLIP-FLOP ON ABORTION FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR.

>> AND YOU EVEN HAD RICK ROMLEY THIS PAST WEEK SAY LOOK, HAVE YOU FOLKS INSULTING THE MILITARY IN TERMS OF TRUMP AND IN TERMS OF LAKE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS.

I HATE THAT TERM BECAUSE LORD KNOWS WHERE THE PARTY IS ANYMORE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE WHO RAISE THE MONEY SAYING NO, I DON'T THINK SO, PARTICULARLY WITH LAKE AS CAMRYN POINTED OUT, SAID TWO YEARS AGO, IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME, YOU'RE MY ENEMY.

TED: DOES SHE EVER SAY TO McCAIN SUPPORTERS COME ON BACK AS OPPOSED TO GO AWAY?

>> I THINK THERE WAS A BRIEF MOMENT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHERE ONE OF HER MANY PIVOTS AND TRIED TO PUT ON A NICE FACE.

SHE WAS TRYING TO MAKE UP WITH MEGHAN McCAIN PUBLICLY AND IT FELL FLAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE VIEWED IT AS GENUINE AND EVERYONE SAW IT FOR WHAT IT WAS, TRYING TO PANDER TO VOTERS.

AND NONE OF IT EVER LASTED LONG, RIGHT?

MAYBE 72 HOURS WE SAW WHATEVER THE NEW VERSION OF KARI LAKE WAS AND IT WAS RIGHT BACK TO THE OLD ONE.

TED: CAMRYN, REAL QUICK, PINAL COUNTY SUPERVISOR KEVIN CAVANAUGH, SUING HIS OWN COUNTY BECAUSE HE LOST THE PRIMARY?

>> HE DOESN'T THINK HE LOST THE PRIMARY.

THE US B6 STOLE IT FROM HIM.

SUPERVISOR CAVANAUGH HAD ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY AND OTHER STAFF, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY BATTLES SO THIS IS HIS LAST HURRAH POTENTIALLY, BUT HE HAS BEEN A STAUNCH CRITIC OF ELECTION INTEGRITY.

TED: IT'S BEEN A LOT TO CRITICIZE IN PINAL COUNTY AS FAR AS ELECTION PROCESS.

>> SURE, AND THEY SCREWED UP THINGS.

THE FACT WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH THE RECOUNT, WE FORGOT ALL THE PEOPLE.

THE BALLOTS WERE NOT COUNTED BUT THIS IS PART OF A LARGER THING.

LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO IN COCHISE COUNTY AND MOHAVE COUNTY, SUPERVISORS SAID WE DON'T TRUST THE MACHINES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE USB STICKS, SOMEONE MANAGED TO GET INTO THE TALLYING EQUIPMENT, STICK SOMETHING IN THE USB PORT AND ADDED 12,000 VOTES.

WHAT'S LOST IN ALL OF THIS IS EVERY ELECTION HAS A SYSTEM WHERE THEY TAKE A RANDOM SAMPLE OF VOTES FROM A RANDOM SAMPLE OF PRESINCTS, RUN THEM THROUGH THE MACHINE AND HAND COUNT THEM.

IF IT DOESN'T COME OUT WITHIN A VERY CERTAIN TINY MARGIN OF ERROR, THEY LOOK AT IT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE BALLOTS ARE THERE.

WE VOTE PAPER BALLOTS IN THE STATE FOR A REASON.

TED: OR SUE THE COUNTY FOR $65,000 AND UPS IT TO A MILLION DOLLARS IF IT IS NOT SETTLED BY THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.

>> OR THAT.

THE POINT ABOUT PAPER BALLOTS IS SO IMPORTANT.

ALL THE TALKS WE'VE HAD ABOUT ELECTION INTEGRITY AND MACHINES, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE VOTE ELECTRONICALLY AND IT TALLIES IT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IT IS DOING WHAT IT SAYS.

ARIZONA HAS PAPER BALLOTS.

99% OF OUR BALLOTS ARE CAST ON PAPER, WHICH IS A RECORD.

WHICH IS WHY WE DID THE DOG AND PONY SHOW BECAUSE WE HAD PAPER BALLOTS TO DO IT ON.

THIS WASN'T PEOPLE LOOKING AT COMPUTER SCREENS AND NUMBERS ON A SPREADSHEET.

TED: 35% OF THE VOTES WERE TRANSFERRED IN THE PRIMARY.

35%.

>> AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE SHOWED UP THERE.

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THE THEORY THAT CAME UP AFTER 2020, THAT THE BATCH OF BALLOTS WITH RICE PAPER FROM KOREA WAS BEING FLOWN INTO ARIZONA WHERE THEY WERE FAKING VOTES.

THERE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE OVAL SAYING THAT IS TOO PERFECT TO HAVE BEEN DONE BY SOMEBODY.

EVERYBODY HAS A THEORY ON THIS.

THE BALLOT TRACKING, EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO -- WOULDN'T MATTER IF THE ANGEL WOULD HAVE COME DOWN AND SAID THE ELECTION RESULT WAS CLEAR.

THEY'D SAY, NOPE YOU'RE WRONG.

TED: MOVE ON REAL QUICKLY FOR THE LAST SEGMENT.

MS. WADSACK?

FORMER LAWMAKER.

>> I GUESS SHE'S STILL THE LAWMAKER.

TED: YEAH, BUT SHE LOST IN HER PRIMARY.

HER CRIMINAL SPEEDING TRIAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IT WAS 71 IN A 31 OR -- >> 35.

IT WASN'T THAT BAD.

TED: YEAH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TRIAL?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, SHE SAYS SHE DIDN'T DO IT, BUT THIS IS STILL NOT RESOLVED BECAUSE THE JUDGE IN THE CASE RECUSED HERSELF AND DIDN'T SAY WHY, SO THAT GOT US SCRATCHING OUR HEADS LIKE IS IT AN ISSUE WITH, YOU KNOW, A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, DID SOMETHING HAPPEN BETWEEN THE JUDGE AND SENATOR WADSACK AND WHO'S GOING TO TAKE OVER?

WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE SETTLED?

NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T CARE ABOUT A RANDOM PERSON'S SPEEDING TICKET, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE PERSON.

>> THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF THE RADAR.

NOW I'VE GOTTEN RADAR TICKETS AND NOBODY BROUGHT INTO COURT A PIECE OF PAPER SHOWING THE RADAR.

THE COP SAYS I CLOCKED YOU ON THE RADAR, GO TO COURT.

YOU TAKE THE COP'S WORD OR THE DRIVER'S WORD.

GUESS WHO THE COURT TAKES.

THIS ISN'T LIKE DRUNK DRIVING WHERE THERE IS ACTUAL PRINTOUT.

THE IDEA THERE IS NO ACTUAL PAPER SHOWING THE RADAR UNIT.

IF THE GUY IS FOLLOWING HER AND HAS A CALIBRATED SPEEDOMETER AND CAN SEE WHAT THE SPEED IS.

IF HE HAS A SPEED GUN, THERE IS NO PAPER SPITOUT.

THE IDEA HE WAS OUT TO GET HER.

I'M SORRY, EVEN IF IT WAS 45 IN A 50 OR 55 IN A 45.

HE'S OUT TO GET HER.

TED: THE ENTIRE TUCSON GUBERNATORIAL -- SHOULDN'T SAY GUBERNATORIAL, BUT GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM IS OUT TO GET HER.

>> I GUESS.

THAT'S WHAT THE ARGUMENT HAS BEEN FROM THE BEGINNING.

I THINK REALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY DIDN'T GIVE HER A TICKET.

THEY DIDN'T CITE HER AND PRESSED THE CRIMINAL SPEEDING CHARGES AGAINST HER WHEN IT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND RECOGNIZE THERE'S A CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION THAT PREVENTS LAWMAKERS FROM THESE THINGS AND THEY CAME BACK AT HER AND I SUSPECT SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE CLEAR, AND DIDN'T HAPPEN IN MARCH, SO I'M GOOD, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, GUESS WHAT?

AND IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION.

SO BACK TO THE IDEA OF EVIDENCE, SHE'S DRIVING A TESLA.

THEY HAVE LOTS OF DATA THAT THEY COLLECT.

I WOULD WAGER THERE IS POSSIBLY EVIDENCE, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY KEEP THEM FOR BUT PERHAPS HOW FAST SHE WAS GOING AT 10:30 AT NIGHT ON THAT EVENING IN TUCSON.

TED: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT ON A DIFFERENT ROUNDTABLE.

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