♪ >> COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON," THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES WHICH INCLUDE VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE J.D.

VANCE'S VISIT TO PHOENIX.

THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON," I'M RICK DEBRUHL IN FOR TED SIMONS.

IT IS FRIDAY AND TIME FOR THE JOURNALISTS' ROUNDTABLE.

JOINING US TONIGHT JEREMY DUDA OF AXIOS PHOENIX, CAMRYN SANCHEZ OF KJZZ AND MARY JO PITZL OF AZCENTRAL AND "ARIZONA REPUBLIC."COM.

>>> IT GETS REAL WHEN PEOPLE START TO VOTE AND IN NORTH CAROLINA THEY'RE SENDING OUT THE VERY FIRST BALLOTS TO OVERSEAS AND MILITARY VOTERS.

HERE IN ARIZONA, A WEEK AND TWO DAYS FROM TODAY, EARLY VOTING OFFICIALLY BEGINS.

I'M GOING TO USE THIS AS ELECTION RESET.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT BUT START OFF WITH TALKING ABOUT THE FACT HOW DID WE GET TO BE SO POPULAR?

NO ONE CAME TO PHOENIX AND CAMPAIGNED HERE, RIGHT?

>> NO, BUT ARIZONA IS BECOMING A PURPLE STATE.

MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION FOR, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR, FIVE CAMPAIGN CYCLES, AND AS EVERYBODY WILL REMEMBER FROM 2020, WE WERE PIVOTAL IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE WHERE JOE BIDEN, IF HE HAD NOT WON BY 10,457 VOTES, THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.

>> J.D.

VANCE WAS HERE THE LAST COUPLE DAYS.

TIM WALZ IS GOING TO BE TUESDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE DEBATE.

DOES ANY OF THAT MOVE THE NEEDLE HERE, JEREMY?

>> DEPENDS WHAT THE FOLKS SAY, THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

SAW J.D.

VANCE TRYING TO BLUNT THE EFFECT OF THE McCAIN FAMILY COMING OUT IN FAVOR OF KAMALA HARRIS, AND INVOKING JOHN McCAIN'S NAME AND SAYING HE WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED KAMALA HARRIS, WHICH PEOPLE WHO ARE AROUND DURING McCAIN'S DAY THAT'S UP FOR DEBATE TO THEM.

YOU CAN SHOOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT.

IT'S HARD TO SEE, THE REALITY MOVING THE NEEDLE THAT MUCH UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE NEWS IN A BAD WAY.

EVERYONE IS TRYING.

YOU WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE FOCUSED ON THE MESSAGE, REMIND PEOPLE ABOUT THE ELECTION, WALZ, VANCE, YOU HAVE SEEN TRUMP AND HARRIS RECENTLY.

PROBABLY MORE OF THE SAME.

A LITTLE OVER A MONTH TO GO BEFORE EARLY VOTING BEGINS.

>> MIGHT GET RESIDENCY STATUS.

DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT DID J.D.

VANCE SAY?

DID HE HELP HIMSELF WITH HIS CAUSE?

>> IT IS NICE TO HAVE THE SWING STATE CHARISMA BECAUSE IT IS FLATTERING, MAKES IT FEEL LIKE WE'RE IMPORTANT, THAT PEOPLE WANT OUR VOTE.

THAT'S KIND OF FUN FOR A POLITICAL REPORTER AND VANCE WHEN HE WAS HERE, HE FOCUSED ON SUPPORTING TRUMP, OF COURSE, BASHING HARRIS A LITTLE BIT AND TALKING ABOUT THE McCAINS WHICH I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO WHEN RESPONDING TO MEDIA QUESTIONS AND TOUTING HIMSELF AND TRUMP FOR HAVING PRESS CONVERSATIONS.

>> WE HAVE TIM WALZ, MARY JO, COMING ON TUESDAY, WITH CAMPAIGN EVENTS BEFORE THE DEBATE ON TUESDAY NIGHT.

WHAT'S HIS JOB?

WHAT DO YOU SEE HE HAS TO ACCOMPLISH HERE?

>> KEEP THE ENTHUSIASM UP.

OF COURSE, PROMOTE THE TOP OF THE TICKET, HARRIS AND HER AGENDA, WHICH HE'S GOING TO STAND BEHIND.

ESPECIALLY GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND HIS PERSONALITY AND RESONATING WITH DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, HE REVS UP THE CROWD AND WANTS TO KEEP IT UP AT THE HIGH RPM.

>> MAKE SURE THE MOMENTUM KEEPS GOING.

>> JEREMY, YOU MENTIONED JIMMY McCAIN SAID NOT ONLY HE'S GOING TO VOTE FOR HARRIS BUT REGISTER AS A DEMOCRAT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED BUT IN PARTICULAR THE ARLINGTON CEMETERY INCIDENT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MEGHAN McCAIN SAID BOTH CANDIDATES ARE GARBAGE, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR EITHER ONE.

DO WE REALLY CARE WHAT THE McCAINS SAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME?

IS IT A NATIONAL STORY OR NOT?

>> THE McCAIN FAMILY HAS SWAY STILL.

JOHN McCAIN IS HIGHLY REGARDED IN ARIZONA.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM CINDY McCAIN, IT WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO FIND PEOPLE WHO DON'T THINK IT HELPED MOVE THE NEEDLE WITH THE SWING VOTERS.

JIMMY McCAIN, A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO JIMMY McCAIN IS.

THEY KNOW WHO CINDY McCAIN AND MEGHAN McCAIN IS, JIMMY McCAIN IS A LOT LESS WELL KNOWN.

HE IS JOHN McCAIN'S SON, IN THE SERVICE FOR A LONG TIME.

THE FACT IT'S OVER THE ARLINGTON MESS, WHICH LOOKS TO CONTINUE TO GET TRUMP BAD PRESS, NPR IDENTIFIED THE STAFFERS INVOLVED.

THAT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE McCAIN NAME BUT KEEP THE INCIDENT IN THE NEWS AND KEEP THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN ON ITS HEELS RESPONDING TO IT.

>> I THINK SOME OF THE VALUE OF IT, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE, IS IT DOES SAY, LOOK, THESE ARE REPUBLICANS, JIMMY RECENTLY DEPARTED.

>> PART OF A REPUBLICAN FAMILY.

>> ARE GIVING PEOPLE PERMISSION.

HEY, WE'RE FINE VOTING FOR HARRIS.

WE HAVE ISSUES WITH TRUMP.

AND MIGHT MAKE A COUPLE PEOPLE PAUSE AND THINK, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE MEMBERS THAT STAY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, TO SAY THAT YOU CAN STILL BE A REPUBLICAN, EVEN IF YOU VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT THIS TIME AROUND.

IT SENDS A MESSAGE ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.

>> THAT'S THE BIG NATIONAL STUFF, THE PRESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE MORE INTRIGUING LOCAL RACES BECAUSE OF A UNIQUE PROBLEM THIS CANDIDATE IS FACING.

HIS NAME IS MICHAEL WAY, RUNNING FOR LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT IN THE EAST VALLEY.

EXPLAIN HIS PROBLEM AND WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK?

>> NORTH CAROLINA IS GOING TO COME UP AGAIN.

THIS GUY IS RUNNING IN THE EAST VALLEY, A CONSERVATIVE DISTRICT.

ONE OF TWO REPUBLICANS WHO MADE IT FOR THE PRIMARY.

FOR THE HOUSE, YOU GET TO PICK TWO PEOPLE TO REPRESENT.

EACH HOUSE HAS TWO MEMBERS.

THIS ISN'T A COMPETITIVE DISTRICT.

DEMOCRATS SHOULDN'T HAVE A SHOT THERE.

SHOULD BE TWO REPUBLICANS BASED ON VOTER REGISTRATION, BUT THE GUY REGISTERED TO VOTE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND REGISTERED RECENTLY AND HE'S SAYING HE'S BEEN AN ARIZONAN FOR A LONG TIME AND CAN REPRESENT ARIZONA, WHICH HAS BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO COURT.

HE'S CHALLENGED FOR HIS RESIDENCY AND WHETHER OR NOT HE'S AN ELIGIBLE CANDIDATE.

>> THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU MUST BE A RESIDENT FOR THREE YEARS, IF YOU RUN FOR LEGISLATURE, YOU MUST LIVE IN THE COUNTY FOR ONE YEAR.

>> AND CONSECUTIVE.

>> IT'S GOT TO BE CONSECUTIVE AND THE MOST RECENT THREE YEARS, AND RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT RESIDENCY AND TO ME, RECORDS SHOW HE IS REGISTERED IN BOTH STATES.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

>> JEREMY, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES IN PLAY HERE.

ONE, IS HE ELIGIBLE TO BE ON THE BALLOT?

IS HE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE HERE IN ARIZONA?

THE SECOND ONE, AND PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANT IS, IF HE'S RULED INELIGIBLE, WHAT'S THE RESULT?

WHO TAKES OVER THAT SEAT?

>> THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ABOUT.

THE CHALLENGE TO HIS CANDIDACY IN COURT IS COMING FROM REPUBLICANS, NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

>> THERE'S A BIG QUESTION HOW IT'S BEING FUNDED.

>> THAT THERE IS.

THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO HAVE HIM DEEMED INELIGIBLE, THEY'RE ASKING THE JUDGE, HEY, RULE THIS GUY AS INELIGIBLE, BUT IF HE WINS, COUNT HIS VOTES AND TREATED AS A BASICALLY A VACATED OFFICE, OFFICE MEMBER LEAVES, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THEM BY LAW BY THE SAME PARTY.

THEY ARE REPLACING MICHAEL WAY, THE WINNER OF THE ELECTION WITH A DIFFERENT REPUBLICAN.

NOW WHAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE'S OFFICE AND DIFFERENT VOTES BELIEVE HE'S NOT A CANDIDATE ANYMORE, HIS NAME IS ON THE BALLOT.

IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES AND THE WINNER -- IF HE WINS ONE OF THE TWO SEATS, REPUBLICANS HAVE A 2-1 ADVANTAGE, THEN THE WINNER WOULD BE THE NEXT HIGHEST VOTE-GETTER.

THREE PEOPLE ON THE BALLOT FOR TWO SEATS, THREE REPUBLICANS AND ONE DEMOCRAT.

NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T BOTHER TO LEARN THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE'S NAME, BUT WE HAVE TO BECAUSE HE MAY BE INELIGIBLE HERE.

>> THE JUDGE HAD SIGNALLED THAT IN THIS LAWSUIT THAT WAS BROUGHT AS JEREMY SAID, BY A FELLOW REPUBLICAN, AGAINST A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE SIGNALED HE SHOULD HAVE A DETERMINATION OUT TODAY.

>> WE'RE ALL CHECKING OUR PHONES WATCHING, EVERY DEVICE WE'VE GOT.

>> RIGHT.

WHAT'S INTERESTING IS IF IT GOES TO THE POINT, IF THE JUDGE ACCEPTS -- FIRST OF ALL, NO MATTER WHICH WAY THE JUDGE RULES, IT'S GOING TO BE APPEALED, AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WITH THE LOWER COURT RULING.

>> THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT.

HE'S ON.

>> HE'S ON.

IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER HIS VOTES COUNT AND IF OTHER PEOPLE CAN WRITE IN.

IF HE WOULD BE DEEMED INELIGIBLE, THIS ISSUE OF HAVING HIM BE RECOGNIZED AS THE WINNING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, THEREFORE, BEING ABLE TO BE A REPLACEMENT TO BE APPOINTED OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I THINK IS FUNNY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, THIS LAST TWO YEARS, MORE THAN 10% OF THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE APPOINTED BY BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS.

THIS COULD BE THE FIRST APPOINTMENT OF THE 2025 CYCLE HAPPENING IN LATE 24.

IT'S NUTS.

WHO'S PICKING OUR LAWMAKERS?

BOARDS OF SUPERVISORS OR VOTERS?

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT IT'S THE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY FILED THE SUIT.

ONE PARTICULAR REPUBLICAN, WE'RE NOT SURE HOW IT'S FUNDED.

HAVE THE DEMOCRATS BEEN QUIET ABOUT THIS?

ARE THEY TAKING A POSITION IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS IS GOING FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE OR SITTING BACK AND GOING LET'S HAVE FUN.

>> LIKE WHEN A CROCODILE IS WATCHING A PERSON DANGLING FROM A TREE BRANCH WITH THEIR JAWS OPEN AND HOPING THE PERSON FALLS IN LIKE A CARTOON.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT AM CANS TO MIND.

IT'S COMPLICATED MATTER AND I'M SURE MARY JO MENTIONED WRITE-IN CANDIDATES, YOU COULD WRITE IN A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE BASED ON THE UNCERTAINTY OF MICHAEL WAY.

ARE HIS VOTES GOING TO THE DEMOCRAT, SOMEONE ELSE, BE APPOINTED OR A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.

THAT MIGHT BE A SMART THING FOR REPUBLICANS TO DO, FIELD SOMEBODY TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT A DEMOCRAT BECAUSE IT'S A DIVIDED HOUSE AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT SEAT AND SHOULDN'T BE ONE THEY HAVE TO DEFEND.

>> THE POTENTIAL RISK IS THEY SPLIT THE VOTE AND THE DEMOCRAT GETS ELECTED.

>> THAT COULD HAVE BROADER IMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF THE COMPOSITION OF THE NEXT LEGISLATURE.

RIGHT NOW THE REPUBLICANS HAVE A ONE SEAT MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE.

COULD THIS BE A PICKUP FOR THE DEMOCRATS, BUT THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF SEATS TO DEFEND IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.

COULD GIVE MORE OF AN EDGE.

>> GOING BACK TO THE POINT, TECHNICALLY TWO MONTHS AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL VOTING DATE, THE NOVEMBER 5 ELECTION, BUT ONCE AGAIN, A MONTH AND TWO DAYS AWAY.

SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ELECTION?

LAWSUITS INVOLVING PURGING VOTERS, ISSUES REGARDING REGISTRATION, IF YOU HAD TO PICK SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING, WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THE ELECTION CYCLE BESIDE EVERYTHING?

>> I WOULD SAY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOCUS WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO REGISTER TO VOTE?

THE WHOLE DEBATE OVER PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP AND THE U.S. SUPREME COURT RULING COMING IN ON THIS, WHEREAS LAST CYCLE THERE WAS INTEREST IN EARLY VOTING.

WE CAN'T EARLY VOTE BECAUSE VOTE BY MAIL, THAT'S BAD.

THE THEME THIS YEAR IS LET'S CHALLENGE WHO CAN ACTUALLY VOTE AND LOOK AT THE REGISTER, WHY WE HAVE LAWSUITS GOING ON.

>> PRIMARILY RELATING TO THOSE WHO ARE U.S. CITIZENS.

>> YEAH.

THEN THEY'RE SAYING SHOW US THE PROOF YOU'RE A U.S. CITIZEN, IGNORING THE FACT THERE'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT SAYS YOU CAN ATTEST THAT YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN WITHOUT SHOWING A PASSPORT OR BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

>> SOMEBODY COULD VOTE IN A NATIONAL ELECTION BUT NOT IN ARIZONA.

>> WHAT'S THE BIG NATIONAL ELECTION?

>> A BIG ARE GOING ON.

THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION WE SHOULD PURGE VOTERS FROM EXISTING ROLLS.

>> THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE FEDERAL ONLY VOTERS, FOLKS WHO CANNOT SHOW PROOF OF DOCUMENTED CITIZENSHIP.

WE'RE THE ONLY STATE THAT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO SHOW THIS TO REGISTER TO VOTE.

BECAUSE OF A QUIRK IN FEDERAL LAW, COURTS SAID YOU CAN'T REQUIRE PEOPLE TO SHOW THAT IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS, SO YOU HAVE THE SUBSET OF VOTERS WHO CAN ONLY CAST BALLOTS FOR ARIZONA SENATE AND HOUSE RACES.

WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT SHOWS MOST OF THEM ARE COLLEGE STUDENTS, NATIVE AMERICANS, NEWLY RECENTLY NATURALIZED CITIZENS, NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE NONCITIZENS REGISTERING TO VOTE OR CASTING BALLOTS BUT A COUPLE OF GROUPS ARE SUING, THEY ALREADY SUED MARICOPA COUNTY AND ADDED THE OTHER 14 COUNTIES SAYING WE WANT YOU TO TAKE THE 41,000 VOTERS, CHECK ALL THE CITIZENSHIP STATUS OF ALL OF THEM.

SEND THE LISTS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

IF THE LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE COUNTIES TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS.

THEY'RE REQUIRED TO ASK FOR PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP BUT ONCE THEY DON'T, THAT'S WHERE THE ROLE ENDS IN TERMS OF DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY.

THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SEND SOMETHING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

THE LAW PASSED IN 2022 THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO SEND THE LISTS TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT BY OCTOBER 31, 2022, THAT DIDN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL DECEMBER 31, 2022, SO NO ONE'S DONE IT.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE REQUIREMENTS.

IT SEEMS LIKE POSSIBLY THE BIGGER REASON IS TO SOW DOUBT IN THE INTEGRITY OF THE ELECTIONS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY CASTING BALLOTS AND THAT'S WHY KAMALA HARRIS WON, SIMILAR TO OTHER DISPUTES AND BASELESS ACCUSATIONS AFTER 2020 AND 2022.

>> WE HEAR THAT A LOT FROM CANDIDATES ESPECIALLY DONALD TRUMP WHO SAYS MORE BLATANTLY THAT THE HARRIS AND BIDEN ADMINISTRATION BRINGS PEOPLE IN TO MAKE SURE THEY VOTE ILLEGALLY TO HELP DEMOCRATS WIN, AND THEORIES LIKE THAT GET A LOT OF TRACTION, AND THIS ONE HAS PLENTY OF TRACTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA ESPECIALLY.

ELON MUSK SAID THEY ARE REFUSING TO TAKE ILLEGALS OFF THE VOTER ROLLS, REFERRING TO THE FEDERAL ONLY VOTERS.

PEOPLE EITHER DON'T UNDERSTAND OR DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT FEDERAL ONLY VOTERS ARE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A PERVASIVE PROBLEM OF INTENTIONALLY LETTING ILLEGAL VOTERS VOTE.

>> I ASKED THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE IF THEY COULD GET ME A LIST OF ALL THE ILLEGAL VOTING PROSECUTIONS THAT THEY'VE DONE, AND I GOT A LIST THAT GOES BACK TO 2010.

THAT STANDS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS, DIFFERENT PARTIES HOLDING THE AG'S OFFICE, THERE WEREN'T ANY IN THERE ON PEOPLE WHO WERE NONCITIZENS VOTING.

A LOT OF CASES OF PEOPLE WHO DOUBLE VOTE.

THEY VOTE HERE, VOTE IN COLORADO, AND SOMETIMES -- >> NORTH CAROLINA?

>> FUNNY HOW THAT POPS UP.

LET'S MOVE ON AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT, WE'VE LAID THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE FACT, THERE IS AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER BUT STILL GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE CONTINUING ON AFTER THAT, AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ARIZONA OPEN PRIMARY INITIATIVE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON IT, AND NOW THERE IS QUESTION WHEN THEY VOTE ON IT WHETHER SOMETHING HAPPENS AFTER THE FACT.

>> SORT OF LIKE MICHAEL WAY IN A WAY.

>> SO EXPLAIN IT.

>> THE SUPREME COURT STILL HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THAT CITIZEN INITIATIVE TO CREATE OPEN PRIMARIES HAS ENOUGH SIGNATURES.

WHAT HAPPENED IS THE DEADLINE FOR PRINTING THE BALLOT CAME AND THE COURTS SAID WE'LL LET IT GO ON THE BALLOT, BUT WHEN WE'RE DONE FIGHTING OVER THIS, GET A FINAL LEGAL DECISION, IF IT'S PROVEN THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH VALID SIGNATURES, WE WILL DIRECT THE SECRETARY OF STATE TO DISREGARD THE VOTES, WHICH IS A VERY INTERESTING POSITION.

THE CAMPAIGN, MAKE ELECTIONS FAIR, HAS PUSHED BACK HARD AGAINST THIS.

THEY CITED CASE AFTER CASE WITH HOW THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED, CASE AFTER CASE WHERE THE SUPREME COURT HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THE BALLOT PRINTING DEADLINE, IF THINGS AREN'T RESOLVED, PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

>> IS IT GOING TO BE HARD FOR A COURT TO COME AND SAY, LET'S SAY IT SHOULD WIN, THE COURT WOULD SAY, I KNOW YOU ALL VOTED FOR IT AND IT PASSED BUT WE'RE GOING TO CANCEL IT OUT?

>> IT WOULD BE UNPRECEDENTED AS FAR AS I KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY THE COURTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY CUT OFF THAT EVEN WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES OR VALIDITY OF SIGNATURES IN THE MAKE ELECTIONS FAIR CAMPAIGN IS CASE AFTER CASE THAT WE'VE SEEN DECADES PAST THAT THE COURTS HAVE SAID THE TIME HAS PASSED TO HASH OUT THE ISSUES, IT'S GOING TO GET ON BALLOT AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

LET THE VOTERS DECIDE.

THEY HAVE THIS THING THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY CONFUSING TO VOTERS, ESPECIALLY ON THE TWO PAGE BALLOT WITH 13 BALLOT MEASURES ON IT?

>> THIS IS A REALLY LONG BALLOT.

HOW MANY INITIATIVES AND REFERENDUMS DO WE HAVE?

IS TWO PAGE -- HOW UNUSUAL IS THAT?

>> IT'S UNUSUAL AND KIND OF FUN.

FOR MARICOPA COUNTY, THE BALLOTS ARE TWO PAGES, THAT'S FRONT AND BACK, AND THAT'S LONGER THAN IT'S BEEN SINCE 2006, I BELIEVE.

SO IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED BUT NEW FOR US IN RECENT HISTORY, AND A BIG REASON FOR THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF MEASURES THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON SUCH AS THINGS THAT LAWMAKERS HAVE REFERRED TO THE BALLOT AND CITIZEN INITIATIVES LIKE THE ABORTION MEASURE WITH OPEN PRIMARIES MEASURE WHERE PEOPLE GATHER SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE BALLOT.

PEOPLE HAVE TO DO RESEARCH BEFORE THIS ELECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ASKED A LOT OF STUFF.

LINES ARE LONGER, COUNTING A LITTLE LONGER.

>> I THINK THERE'S A CONCERN THAT SINCE IT'S TWO SEPARATE PIECES OF PAPER, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO REMEMBER TO MARK BOTH OF THEM, PUT THEM -- THOSE THAT VOTE BY MAIL AND PUT THEM IN THE ENVELOPE TOGETHER.

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU FIND THE SECOND PAGE IN YOUR MAIL PILE OR KITCHEN TABLE OFF MAILED OFF THE FIRST PAGE?

THEY CAN BE MATCHED UP, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF TIME.

IF YOU SIGNED IT ON ELECTION DAY, MAYBE RUN IT DOWN TO HEADQUARTERS AND SEE IF IT'S GOING TO GET COUNTED.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU AND YOUR WIFE GET YOUR BALLOTS AND GET THE PAGES MIXED UP.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO COUNT THOSE IF THAT HAPPENS, I'M NOT SURE.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO 2006, EARLY VOTING WAS NOT QUITE AS PROLIFIC AS IT WAS THEN.

THAT WAS THE PERMANENT EARLY VOTER LIST.

WE DID NOT SEE EARLY VOTING NEARLY AS MUCH VOLUME AS WE HAVE TODAY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE CONFUSING.

YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT ELECTION DAY VOTING.

THE BALLOT IN THE MAIL AT HOME, HAVE YOU ALL THE TIME YOU WANT TO PORE OVER THE BALLOT MEASURES.

ON ELECTION DAY, YOU WAIT IN LINE, YOU GET INTO THE BOOTH, YOU FILL THIS OUT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BOTHER TO GO THROUGH ALL 13.

IF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND BALLOT MEASURES THEY LEAVE IT BLANK OR VOTE NO OUT OF HABIT.

IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING, THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE ON ELECTION DAY ARE OVERWHELMINGLY REPUBLICANS.

THEY GOING TO LEAVE THEM BLANK INSTEAD OF YES OR NO, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE OUTCOME HERE?

>> YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TIME AND VOTE AT HOME, THE BAD NEWS IS MAKE SURE YOU COLLATE PROPERLY AND MAIL THEM PROPERLY.

>> MAY HAVE TO TAKE A DAY OFF OF WORK.

>> APPRECIATE OUR ELECTION RESET.

WE'RE IN THE INITIAL SPRINT FOR THE ELECTION, I LOOK FORWARD OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT MONTH.

CAMRYN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JEREMY, MARY JO.

TED SIMONS WILL BE BACK ON MONDAY.

I'M RICK DEBRUHL.

STAY SAFE.

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