>> Ted: COMING UP NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S A JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE WEEK'S TOP STORIES INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR'S PLANS FOR THE STATE LAND TRUST FOR EDUCATION FUNDING.

THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS HOWIE FISCHER OF CAPITAL MEDIA SERVICES, LAURIE ROBERTS OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC AND AZCENTRAL.COM AND CAMRYN SANCHEZ.

PANEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND HOW HOWIE, STATE LAND TRUST UP FOR RENEWAL BUT THE GOVERNOR WASN'T CRAZY ABOUT THIS AND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> DEPENDS ON WHO IS IN CHARGE AND WHO IS COMING UP WITH THE PLAN.

THE YEAH IS WE HAVE A PERMIT LAND TRUST.

WE WERE GIVEN TEN MILLION ACRES OF STATE LAND AND 9.2 MILLION ACRES THAT REMAIN.

THAT IS SOLD OFF FOR THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND LEASED OUT FOR GRAZING AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE CORPUS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED AND SCHOOLS GET THE INTEREST OFF OF THAT.

ACCORDING TO TO THE CONSTITUTION, IT'S 2.5% OF THE CORPUS, THE BODY OF IT, FIGURING IT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.

WHAT WE DID NEARLY A DECADE AGO, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL, WE CAN TAKE 6 POINTES6.9%OFF OF THIS AND DUCEY SAID LOOK, WE'RE FUNDING SCHOOLS AND WITH THE MONEY ALREADY DUE THEM AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE OBJECTION THE DEMOCRATS HAD.

PROP 123 EXPIRES IN 2025 AND EVERYONE HAS A PLAN TO CONTINUE IT AND WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO AND THE REPUBLICANS IN PARTICULAR AND THE GOVERNOR SAY WE CAN USE A LOT FOR TEACHER SALARIES AND IT'S FREE MONEY.

AGAIN, IT'S COMING FROM THE MONEY DEDICATED TO SCHOOLS.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE 6.9%, THE CURRENT RATE BUMPED UP A LOT FROM 2.5 AND THE GOVERNOR COMES OUT AND SAYS, HOW ABOUT 8.9%?

>> IF THE IMITATION IS IN THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY, DOUG DUCEY SHOULD BE PLUSHING.

BLUSHING.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING THAT TO GROW AS A CONSTITUTION AND INSTEAD YOU'RE SYPHONING OFF THE MONEY.

IT PASSED BARELY AND WITH A LOT OF HELP FROM DOUG DUCEY AT THE TIME.

NOW YOU HAVE THE REPUBLICANS WHO WANT TO CONTINUE IT ON AND THE DEMOCRATS WHO SAY, NO, WE WANT MORE OUT OF THAT.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CHANCE AT ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WILL SEND WHATEVER THE BALLOT ISSUE WILL BE STRAIGHT TO THE BALLOT AND IT BIPASSES GOVERNOR.

>> Ted: LET'S KEEP IT ALL FOR TEACHERS, CORRECT?

>> WHICH IS SOMETHING SAID HOBBS WANTED TO DO AND CAME OUT WITH HER PLAN WHICH IS, OF COURSE, TO TAKE OUT MORE MONEY AND THE REPUBLICAN TREASURER SAID THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA.

WE SHOULD BE BRINGING IT DOWN TO 4% OR 5%.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR 8.9%.

AND YES, SO HOWIE AND I ASKED HOBBS ABOUT THAT AND SHE SAID SHE HAS DIFFERENT DATA AND HASN'T PROVIDED IT.

MAYBE TO YOU SHE HAS.

>> THAT'S THE THING AND HERE IS THE PROBLEM.

IT'S THE OLD LIES AND STATISTICS.

I CAN FIND YOU AN ACCOUNTANT THAT CAN PROVE WE TAKE 2% OUT, 5% OR 22% AND THERE'S STILL A WAY OF MAKING IT WORK.

IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH YOU WANT LEFT IN THE TRUST AT THE END OF IT.

AND SO, THE ISSUE BECOMES, WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE THE ECONOMIC SITUATION FOR THE DECADE GOING FORWARD?

AND THE TREASURER SAID, WE THINK 5.54% WILL BE THE RATE OF RETURN FOR THE KIND OF PORTFOLIO WE HAVE.

60% STOCKS AND 40% BONDS.

THAT IS WHAT'S FAIR.

CAN YOU TAKE OUT MORE?

SURE.

WHAT'S IN THE TRUST AT THE END OF IT?

>> Ted: 5.5% AND SHE SAID 8.9% WENT YOU'RE ONLY GETTING FIVE AND A HALF IN WOULD BE DANGEROUS AND WOULD BREAK THE BANK.

HOW FAR DOES THAT GO?

>> WELL, I MEAN, I CAN BARELY BALANCE MY CHECKBOOK, SO I MAY NOT BE THE PERSON TO ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT THE TRUST OVER TIME GROWS BECAUSE OF HOPEFULLY WISE INVESTMENTS.

YOU'RE SAYING, WE'LL INHIBIT THE FUTURE TRUST BUT DIGGING INTO THAT PRINCIPAL OR EVEN DIGGING INTO THE ADDITIONAL GROWTH, THE MONEY THAT YOU GET AS A RESULT.

YOU'RE CHEATING FUTURE GENERATIONS BECAUSE ALL OF THESE DISPERSEMENTS ARE BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE TRUST.

AND SO, IF THE TRUST INSTEAD OF BEING, SAY, WELL, LET'S SAY INSTEAD OF BEING 15 MILLION IN TEN YEARS, IT'S ONLY TEN MILLION AND YOU'VE CHEATED PEOPLE OUT OF THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE FIVE MILLION.

>> THERE'S ANOTHER PIECE OF IT WHICH COMES DOWN TO THE LIES AND STATISTICS.

YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE'RE SITTING AROUND THIS TABLE DISCUSSING PROP 123, STATE TREASURER JEFF DEWITT SAID THE WORLD WILL END IF YOU TAKE OUT 6.9%.

GIANT LIZARDS WILL EMERGE FROM THE EARTH AND HORRIBLE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AND THEY DIDN'T.

THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SKEPTICISM IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

THERE WOULD BE MORE THERE AND NOT THE MONEY TO SUPPLEMENT THE K12 EDUCATION.

>> Ted: THERE AND NOT HERE AND DEWITT IS OBVIOUSLY A BIG WHEEL NOW IN REPUBLICAN PARTY POLITICS HERE IN ARIZONA.

THE GOVERNOR MAY OR NAY MAY NOT BE SO TRAFFIC.

ENTHUSIASTIC.

WHEN THIS IS OUT, WHO WILL CHAMPION THAT?

>> THAT'S A QUESTION QUESTION.

THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN TERMS OF SIGHING SIGH SIGNING A BILL, BUT IF THE DEMOCRATS LOBBY AGAINST IT, AND NOT SAYING THEY WILL, BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARDER TO PASS.

YOU WANT EVERYBODY MAKING A GROUP EFFORT BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING VOTERS TO APPROVE SPENDING ON SOMETHING.

>> WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME IS THAT THE EDUCATORS FINALLY CAME ALONG AND SAID WE NEED THE MONEY AND LAWSUITS TO SETTLE AND OTHER ISSUE, AND EVEN IF ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS SAY NO, WE DON'T WANT THIS NUMBER, I THINK AT SOME POINT, THE ARIZONA EDUCATION SAYS IF IT'S THIS OR NOTHING, ARE WE BETTER OFF?

>> Ted: THE ENABLING ACT WAS A BIG DEAL AND THIS IS WHAT, QUICKLY PLEASE AND IS IT STILL SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED?

>> WHEN WE GOT THAT TEN MILLION ACRES AND ENABLED ARIZONA TO BE A STATE, WE WERE TOLD, HERE IS HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE OUT OF YOUR TRUST.

DUCEY SAID, WE DON'T NEED TO AMEND THAT AND IT WENT TO FEDERAL COURT AND YES, THEY DO.

CONGRESS AMENDED THE ACT TO ALLOW 6.9.

IT APPEARS THAT EVEN IF WE'LL CONTINUE TO TAKE 6.9% OUT, WE GO BACK TO CONGRESS.

SIX OPINIONS ON WHAT THAT MEANS.

>> Ted: I DON'T THINK WE'LL LOSE STATEHOOD BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.

LET'S MOVE ON.

THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY, WHAT IS IT AND WHY IS IT IN THE CROSS-HAIRS?

>> IT'S THE STATE'S LEADING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT REPLACED THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE OH, WHAT WAS IT, TEN YEARS AGO.

THE LEGISLATURE CHANGED AND THE GOVERNOR CHANGED THE WAY WE DO THIS TO, I THINK, MAYBE GET AROUND RULES AND THINGS.

SO AN AUDIT CAME OUT AS A PART OF THE ONCE IN TEN YEARS SUNSET REVIEW.

THE AGENCY EXPIRES AT THE END OF JUNE UNLESS THE LEGISLATURE COMES BACK AND GIVES IT NEW LIFE.

WELL THE LEGISLATURE IS RELYING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.

ONE ARE THE REPUBLICANS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND THEY'RE GUNNIN' FOR THIS THING AND DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THE HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY ARE PARSED OUT BY THIS PUBLIC, PRIVATE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WHO BASICALLY ARE NOT THEM TO LURE COMPANIES HERE.

SOME DON'T LIKE THE IDEAS WE'RE GIVING INCENTIVES AT ALL AND OTHERS ARE POINTING TO THE RECENT ATTORNEY GENERALS THAT SAID THEY'VE BEEN WHINING AND DINING CEOS AT THE SUPER BOWL TO THE TUNE OF $2.4 MILLION SINCE 2018.

SHE SAYSSO THIS COMES THIS FREEDOM CAUCUS, THE ARIZONA FREEDOM CAUCUS AND THEY WOULD DEARLY LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH THIS AGENCY.

>> Ted: IT LOOKS LIKE A REPUBLICAN ON REPUBLICAN FIGHT BECAUSE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS SAYING, WHAT ARE YOU DOING AND WHAT ARE YOU THINKING HERE?

AND YET, REPUBLICANS AT THE LEGISLATURE, FREEDOM CAUCUS, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT FAIR.

>> IT BLUE UP BLEW UP AND ONE THING AFTER THE OTHER.

IT WAS HOBBS IN HER STATE OF THE STATE SAYING WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ARIZONA COMMERCE AUTHORITY AND JAKE HOFFMAN WHO DOESN'T REALLY LIKE HER FILES A BILL TO DISSOLVE IT.

THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY RALLIES AND SAYS IT DOES SERVE A PURPOSE AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT AROUND.

THAT'S THE OLD SCHOOL TYPE OF REPUBLICANS AND THE NEW SCHOOL REPUBLICANNED, THE HOFFMAN REPUBLICANS DON'T FEEL THAT WAY.

THEY DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS AGENCY AROUND.

THE SUNSET REVIEW, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE NOW AND IT'S FACING HURDLES AND HOFFMAN'S COMMITTEE, THEY VOLTED TO REVISE AND CONSOLIDATE AND I'M NOT SURE ANYONE KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS.

>> HERE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, IT'S ONE THING TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THEY WERE WHINING AND DINING CORPORATE CEOS AND SCHMOOZING, BUT THE GIFT CLAUSE THE CONSTITUTION SAYS, THERE'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE, BUT THE STATE HAS TO GET BACK SOMETHING IN RETURN AND WHAT YOU ARE GETTING IS A KISS AND A PROMISE AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN A PROMISE FROM THESE FOLKS.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID THERE.

THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS, WHAT SOME OF THE FREEDOM CAUCUS MEMBERS ARE UPSET ABOUT IS THE FACT WE HAVE CERTAIN INCENTIVES.

THOSE INCENTIVES, THIS ISN'T DONE BY THE COMMERCE AUTHORITY.

THEY WERE APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE.

YOU COME HERE AND YOU HIRE FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE AND PAY A MINIMUM OF 50,000 A YEAR WITH HEALTH BENEFITS AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A TAX BREAK.

IT'S SOLAR INCENTIVES PUSHED BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

SO SOMEBODY HAS TO ADMINISTER THAT.

YOU ABOLISH THE COMMERCE AUTHORITY, YOU'VE ABOLISHED INCENTIVES AND THE QUESTION BECOMES, DO WE NEED INCENTIVES?

THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WOULD SAY PEOPLE WILL COME HERE BECAUSE IT'S SUNNY AND WE HAVE A WORKFORCE.

>> THAT'S WHAT SENATE WARREN PETERSEN SAYS, THAT IT'S NOT FAIR TO OFFER INCENTIVES TO COMPETE WITH OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.

HE SAYS IF YOU'RE OFFERING INCENTIVES, YOU NEED TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FEED.

>> BUT MANY ARE AVAILABLE.

IF YOU'RE EXPANDING THE WORKFORCE BY X NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU CAN GET THEM.

THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.

IT'S FINE TO SAY, IF WE'RE ALL PURE AND VIRGINS, THIS IS GREAT.

TAKE A LOOK -- YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY SO MANY MOVIES ABOUT ARIZONA FILMED IN NEW MEXICO?

NEW MEXICO GIVES TAX CREDITS AND WHY SOME COMPANIES COME TO TEXAS, THEY GIVE CERTAIN INCENTIVES.

>> HERE IS THE REAL POLITICAL QUESTION.

YOU HAVE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THAT HAD GREAT SWAY AT THE LEGISLATURE AND THEY DON'T WITH THIS NEW BRAND OF REPUBLICANS.

ARE THEY WILLING TO DO SOMETHING?

THEY KIND OF IMPLY OR INSINUATE YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU DON'T DO THIS.

WE'LL BE WATCHING IN NOVEMBER, BUT WILL THEY PUT THEIR OWN HATS BEHIND ELECTING A DIFFERENT SORT OF REPUBLICAN OR, PERHAPS, A DEMOCRAT IF THESE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO DEVASTATE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND OUR FUTURE AS THE CHAMBER AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY CLAIMS WILL HAPPEN.

>> Ted: CAMRYN, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

IS THIS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING OR ARE BATTLE LINES BEING DRAWN?

>> I THINK IT'S STILL GOING UP AND WE HAVEN'T HIT THE APEX OF THIS FIGHT.

I DON'T THINK THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WOULD SUPPORT JAY HOFFMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, SO IT'S LIKE MAKING AN ENEMY OUT OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU.

>> BUT IT COMES BACK TO LAURIE'S POINT, HE'S FROM A REPUBLICAN DISTRICT IN QUEEN WEEK.

YOU CAN SUPPORT ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS YOU WANT, BUT THEY WON'T GET ELECTED.

IF WE EVER GO TO RANK CHOICE VOTING IN OPEN PRIMARIES, BUT THAT WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER 2024 ASSUMING IT MEAN PASSES.

THERE ARE FOLKS ON BOTH EXTREMES WHO COULD BE DEFEATED.

>> Ted: THE STEPHEN RICHER SUIT AGAIN KARI LAKE, TEMPORARY STAY ON THIS ONE AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SUIT.

LET'S REMIND FOLKS WHAT THE SUIT IS ABOUT AND WHY THIS IS POT NOT MOVING FORWARD.

AND WHY KARI LAKE DOESN'T WANT IT TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> CONSTANT STREAM OF KARI LAKE AND THIS ONE IS WITH THE MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER, AND HE IS THE REPUBLICAN AND USING MY TERM FROM EARLY, HE'S AN OLD SCHOOL REPUBLICAN AND NOT A LAKE KIND OF REPUBLICAN.

THEY DON'T GET ALONG AND IN MARICOPA COUNTY ELECTION'S STUFF AND SHE THINKS THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM HER.

HE THINKS SHE DEFAMED HIM.

NOW THERE'S A TEMPORARY STAY ON THE COURT PROCEEDINGS WHICH THE LAKE CAMP TAKES AS A VICTORY AND NOT CLEAR -- IT'S NOT LIKE SHE WON THE CASE.

>> WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE, WE'RE TALKING DEFAMATION AND KARI LAKE MADE SOME STATEMENTS.

NOW THERE'S A LOT OF STATES COMING OUT DURING CAMPAIGNS AND CONSIDER POLITICAL HYPERBOLE.

IF YOU CONSIDER SOMEONE OF INJECTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INTO THE SYSTEM ILLEGALLY OR PURPOSELY MISPROGRAMMING THE BALLOT PRINTERS SO THEY PRINTED THE WRONG SIZE BALLOT SO YOU WOULD CREATE LINE SO THE VOTERS WOULD GO AWAY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC FACTS.

WHAT THE TRIAL JUDGE SAYS WHEN HE REFUSED TO THROW OUT HER CASE, WHEN HE SAID, YOU CAN DEFEND IT, THESE ARE FACTS AND JURORS CAN DECIDE AND PROVE YOUR CASE HERE.

COURT OF APPEALS, HE WENT TO THE COURT OF APPEALS AND NO, WE HAVE THIS SPECIAL LAW THAT SAYS I'M PROTECTED AGAINST GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SUING PEOPLE FOR SLANDER AND COURT OF APPEALS SAID GO AWAY.

AS YOU POINT OUT, THE SUPREME COURT WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AND I WOULD SURPRISED THE SUPREME COURT SAYS WE'LL DISMISS THE CASE.

>> Ted: YOU HAD WRITTEN ABOUT THIS, THAT IF YOU'RE KARI LAKE AND YOU SAY THE ELECTION, I WAS ROBBED, IT WAS RIGGED, THIS GUY DID IT AND HERE IS HOW HE DID IT, DON'T YOU WANT YOUR DAY IN COURT?

>> I WOULD THINK SHE WOULD WANT HER DAY IN COURT.

THE JUDGE HAS SAID THESE ARE PROVEABLE OR DISPROVABLE CLAIMS SHE'S MADE.

HER ATTORNEYS WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS ALL JUST HIGH HYPERBOLE AND HER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO HAVE HYPERBOLE AND YOU HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCUSE SOMEONE OF INSPECTION CRIMES BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN BE ACCUSED.

WE SAW IT WITH RUDY GIULIANI AND HE HAS TO PAY 140 MILLION OR SOMETHING FOR ACCUSING THE GEORGIA ELECTED OFFICIALS OF STEALING THE ELECTION.

WELL, A JUDGE AND JURY SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

THIS IS A DEAF FA DEAF DEFAMATION CASE AND THERE'S A DIFFERENT MAURICE CURIESA DIFFERENCE.

>> BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ACTION.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT HURTS SOMEONE ELSE, YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S FALSE, YOU'RE IN TROUBLE.

>> Ted: IS THERE ANY IMPACT ON THE SENATE RACE DOWN THE LINE FROM THIS PARTICULAR CASE?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

THERE'S SO MANY KARI LAKE LAWSUITS, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHICH ONE WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SENATE RACE.

WILL WE TALK ABOUT THE VP?

>> Ted: YES, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THETAKETHAT RIGHT NOW.

>> NOT UNLESS SHE CAN JUGGLE WITH THE VP CAMPAIGN.

>> YOU CAN HOLD ALL THOSE OFFICES AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION ATTENTION.

>> I THINK DONALD TRUMP SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES, SHE'LL BE GREAT IN THE SENATE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE SHE'S OFF THE VP LIST.

SHE'S BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR SENATE FOR AWHILE NOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> BASICALLY, SHE FAILED HER AUDITION AND SHE HAS BEEN RUNNING AROUND THE COUNTRY, STOMPING FOR DONALD TRUMP AND FLOGGING THROUGH BLIZZARD LIKE CONDITIONS IN IOWA AND OTHER PLACES WHEN SHE COULD HAVE BEEN AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE WORK ON HER SENATE CAMPAIGN BECAUSE SHE HAS A LOT OF GROUND TO MAKE UP WITH MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS, REPUBLICAN-LEANING INDEPENDENTS TO VOTE FOR HER.

BUT NO, SHE'S, I DON'T KNOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT SHE'S VICE PRESSURE TIMBER AND HE IN A NICE WAY SORT OF LET HER DOWN.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL OF THIS FOR ME.

NOW GET OUT.

>> WE'VE ALL COVERED PRESIDENTIAL RACES, WHAT DOES IT BRING TO THE TICKET?

>> SHE IS A DONALD TRUMP IN HEELS, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.

IF SHE DOESN'T BRING ANYTHING TO THE TICKET AND CATERING TO THAT SAME CROWD, HE NEEDS SOMEBODY ELSE.

NOW, WHAT HE NEEDS?

I DON'T KNOW.

SOMEONE WITH FOR FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE, I DON'T KNOW.

KARI DOES NOT BRING ANYTHING, AS YOU POINTED OUT.

>> SHE'S PHOTOGENETIC AND MIGHT BE BETTER THAN HIM BUT MEETS HIS KEY OBJECTIVES WHICH IS LOYALTY TO HIM, FEEDS THE EGO AND LORD, THIS WEEK SHE SAID SOMETHING HOW WEE HAVE A THOUSANDS YEARS OF DARKNESS IF SHE'S NOT ELECTED.

WHO WOULDN'T LOVE SOMEBODY SAYING THAT ABOUT YOU.

THE THIRD THING IS -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THIRD THING.

OH, AND SCREAMING ABOUT STOLEN ELECTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE HIS JAM.

SO SHE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES.

THE BOX SHE DOESN'T CHECK IS BRINGING HIM ANYTHING.

I DON'T THINK SHE COULD EVEN DELIVER ARIZONA FOR HIM AND WE'RE A SWING STATE.

>> Ted: SAME QUESTION, IMPACT ON THE SENATE RACE.

THE FACT THAT SHE WAS PALLING AROUND WITH DONALD TRUMP AND THE SENATE RACE AND NOT THE PRIMARY, NECESSARILY.

BUT THE GENERAL.

>> IT PRIMARIES, I THINK HER PALLING AROUND WITH DONALD TRUMP IS A GOOD THING.

SHE HAS THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT, THAT'S CLEAR.

SHE'S DONE ALL OF THIS WORK ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SHE CAN TOUT THAT EVEN THOUGH SHE WASN'T HOLDING POLITICAL OFFICE WHILE SHE DID IT.

IN THE GENERAL, I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF DISSATISFACTION WITH TRUMP IN ARIZONA AND A LOT OF DISSATISFACTION WITH BUYEN.

THE TONE DEFENDS ON THAT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL.

>> Ted: SHE IS THE DEFACTO GOVERNOR, BUT DOES DONALD TRUMP SEE THAT AS NOT NECESSARILY BEING SADDLED WITH A LOSER?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT.

HE HAS LOSERS ALL AROUND HIM.

HE HIMSELF WAS A LOSER.

I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN BRING HIM ADDITIONAL VOTES.

SHE PREACHES TO THE CHOIR AND DOES REALLY, REALLY WELL WITH THE MAGA CROWD BUT HE HAS THAT, SO WHAT DOES SHE BRING THEM.

>> Ted: HOWIE, THE NO-LABEL'S LAWSUIT, CANDIDATES FOR OFFICE, CLEAR THIS UP FOR US.

>> NO LABELS WAS FORMED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WITH THE GOAL OF SAYING IF THE TWO PARTIES NOMINATE RADICALS FROM BOTH OF THEIR EXTREMES, WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE BALLOT IN ENOUGH STATES TO PUT FORTH SOMEONE ELSE.

THEY HAVEN'T SAID WHO AND A LOT OF SPECULATION.

IN ORDER TO BE ON THE BALLOT, THEY HAD TO REGISTER IN ARIZONA AS A POLITICAL PARTY.

AS FAR AS A ADRIAN FONTES, THEY SUBMIT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNATURES AND I'M RUNNING ON THE LABOR'S PARTY OR LD17.

THEY SAY NO, NO, WE GET TO DECIDE WHAT OFFICES WE WANT TO OFFER FOLKS FOR.

FONTES SAYS THAT'S NOT THE WAY TITLE 16, THE ELECTION CODE WORKS.

A FEDERAL JUDGE CONCLUDED THEY HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT OF ASSOCIATION AND THEY CAN DECIDE.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO END UP GOING UP ON APPEAL BECAUSE IF, IN FACT, YOU HAVE SIGNED PAPERWORK SAYING I WANT TO BE A REGISTERED PARTY AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING SOMETHING SOMEBODY ON THE BALLOT WITH THE GENERAL ELECTION, YOU CAN'T SAY, I WANT IT BOTH WAYS.

>> Ted: AND FONTES SAID THE COURT IS DEAD WRONG AND COULD DERAIL THE ENTIRE NOMINATION PROCESS.

>> WELL, CERTAINLY IT COULD BECAUSE IF, SAY THE REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO RUN ANYBODY FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, I CAN THEY CAN SAY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DIS-ENFRANCHISE NOW MANY REPUBLICANS ARE ON THE STATE.

THE INTERESTING THING HERE IS THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THIS ON KYRSTEN SINEMA.

SHE'S AN INDEPENDENT, AS YOU KNOW, AND INDEPENDENTS IN THIS STATE BECAUSE THE INDEPENDENTS WANTED TO MAKE IT HARDER TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY COMPETE AGAINST REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.

INDEPENDENTS HAVE TO GET A LOT MORE SIGNATURES.

WITH HER RACE, SHE WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT 45,000 SIGNATURES BY APRIL 8th IN ORDER TO RUNS A AN INDEPENDENT.

BUT IF SHE COULD RUNS A A NO.

NO-LABEL'S PERSON, IT WOULD TAKE LONGER TO MAKE A HAM SANDWICH THAN THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES.

SHE'S RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND THIS IS REALLY HER ONLY VIABLE WAY IN.

>> Ted: I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT, THE IDEA OF COLLECTING ENOUGH SIGNATURES.

>> THAT'S THE THING AND WITH THE FACT THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO HARD TO GET A PARTY QUALIFIED FOR THE BALLOT.

THEY SAY IF YOU'RE NOT CERTAIN PARTIES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCESS TO CERTAIN DOCUMENTS.

IT'S A GOOD OLE BOY'S CLUB OR GIRL'S CLUB.

>> WHEN THE ELECTION COMES UP THAT THE IDEA IS TO ELIMINATE OR PARTISAN PRIMARIES.

HAVE ONE PRIMARY FOR ALL OF THE CANDIDATES MUCH LIKE WE DO IN CITY RACES AND THEN SHE WOULD BE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WITH THE OTHERS.

>> Ted: THAT WOULD CHANGE SO MUCH.

BEFORE WE GO, HOWIE, YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE TAMALE BILL BUT WE'LL LET CAMRYN TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I AM.

IS THIS THING COMING BACK AGAIN.

[LAUGHTER] >> YES, IT IS, THE FAMOUS TAMALE BILL WHICH WAS PASSED WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND VETOED BY THE GOVERNOR.

THE BILL ALLOWS WHAT IS ALREADY KIND OF A COMMON PRACTICE, PEOPLE COOKING IN HOME KITCHENS AND SELLING THEIR GOODS AND MAKES IT MORE ILLEGAL.

HOBBS SAID, NO, THIS IS TOO DANGEROUS AND PEOPLE COULD HAVE RATS IN THEIR KITCHENS AND SUCH.

THE BILL IS CULTURING COMING BACK AND HOBBS IS CHANGING HER TUNE.

THERE ARE A FEW LITTLE CHANGES, BUT SHE SEEMS LIKE SHE'S GOING TO SUPPORT IT.

>> THERE'S ENOUGH THERE AND COSMETIC.

WHAT IS THE SIZE OF A HOME KITCHEN AND THINGS LIKE THAT?

LETTING THE HOME DEPARTMENT REGISTER PEOPLE AND NOT LETTING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT INSPECTING KITCHENS AND ALL OF THE STUFF THEY HAD BEFORE THAT THE GOVERNOR COULDN'T PUT HOME RUN FINGER ON.

THERE WAS AN IDEA THAT PEOPLE WOULD DIE.

I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH PRESSURE ON HER IF SHE VETOES THIS, THIS TIME THE DEMOCRATS WHO AGREED NOT TO OVERRIDE THE VETO MAY DO THE FIRST OVERRIDE SINCE 1981.

>> THIS WAS THE BILL THAT LAST YEAR SORT OF SYMBOLIZED HER WHOLE FIRST YEAR OF NOT BEING READY FOR PRIME TIME AND NOT HAVING THE STAFF THAT WAS READY BECAUSE THAT BILL WENT THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND DEMOCRATS WERE AN ENTHUSIASTIC YES AND THE GOVERNOR VETOES IT WITHOUT HAVING REALLY COMMUNICATED TO ANYONE WHAT HER PROBLEM WAS DURING THE SESSION SO THAT EITHER THEY COULD AFFIX THE BILL OR HAVE KEPT THE LEGISLATURE FROM GETTING, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT, EGG ALL OVER YOUR FACE.

>> TAMALE ALL OVER.

[LAUGHTER] >> THE DEMOCRATS WERE HAVING TO VOTE NO ON WHAT THEY WERE AN ENTHUSIASTIC YES FOR AND THEY LOOKED LIKE FOOLS AND SHE LOOKED LIKE A FOOL.

THIS YEAR, HOWEVER, SHE HAS A DIFFERENT STAFF, A MORE POLITICALLY SAVVY CHIEF OF HALF.

STAFF.

>> Ted: DOES IT PASS AND DOES SHE SIGN.

>> YES.

>> YES, YES.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: MAYBE SHE DOESN'T SIGN BUT LETS IT SIT THERE.

>> BUT I'LL LOOK LIKE A FOOL.

>> Ted: PANEL, THANK YOU.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.