>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, IT'S THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE FIGHT OVER EXTENDING MARICOPA COUNTY TRANSPORTATION TAXs THAT'S NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON.

IT'S FRIDAY AND THAT MEANS IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF THE JOURNALIST'S ROUNDTABLE AND JOINING US IS CAMRYN SANCHEZ AND LAURIE ROBERTS AND ROY STERN OF THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT PROP 400.

WHAT IS PROP 400.

>> IT'S A TAX THAT BEGAN IN THE 1980'S AND THEY WANT TO RENEW THE TAX, MAYORS WANT TO RENEW IT TO FUND FREEWAYS AND ROADS.

>> Ted: THEY HAVE TO RENEW IT OR ELSE IT GOES AWAY WITHOUT THE LEGISLATURE AND WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?

>> MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, THE LEGISLATURE GOT MOD, MAD BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PLAN AND WAS SPENDING TOO MUCH ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND GOT THE LAW CHANGED SUCH THAT MARICOPA COUNTY IS THE ONLY COUNTY THAT CAN'T GO TO ITS VOTERS WHEN IT WANTS TO AND WAS GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE TO GET PERMISSION TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE, CAMRYN AND FINE, HERE IS WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE WANT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIGHT RAIN.

>> THE MARICOPA COUNTY OF GOVERNMENTS COMPRISED OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAME UP WITH THEIR PROP 400 PLAN TO THE LEGISLATURE AND NO, AND THEY PUT UP THEIR OWN IDEA WHICH WAS A FIGHT AND THE FIRST?

>>: FEW ITERATIONS DIDN'T MAKE IT AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES TO WORK WITH AND STILL IS BECAUSE OF THE VERSION THEY PUT UP WHICH REALLY CUTS LIGHT RAIL AND TRANSPORTATION DOWN FROM WHAT MAG ASKED FOR AND LIKE, PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT IS GOING TO BE VETOED ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNOR, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND WORK ON IT AGAIN.

>> Ted: RAY, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND WORK ON IT OR I'M HEARING THERE IS AN INITIATIVE OR TWO OR THREE INVOLVING THIS?

>> SOME PEOPLE ARE HOPING THEY COME BACK AND WHEN THEY COME BACK ON JULY 31st, THEY WILL ADDRESS THIS AND IF IT'S NOT ADDRESSED, THEN THERE'S TALK ABOUT PUTTING IT UP FOR A STATEWIDE BALLOT INITIATIVE AND THAT'S A TOUGH ROAD.

>> AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATURE IS CONCERNED, DID IT HEAR TALK ABOUT TWO SEPARATE BILLS?

ONE FOR THE TAX AND THE OTHER SPECIFICALLY FOR LIGHT RAIL?

>> THAT WAS THE REPUBLICAN'S IDEA TO BASICALLY BIFURCATE.

>> ONE BILL, TWO BALLOTS.

>> ONE BILL AND THAT WOULD BE TWO BALLOTS, BALLOT MEASURES THAT MARICOPA COUNTY WOULD VOTE ON.

>> MARICOPA COUNTY GOT THE ASSOCIATION OF GOTS SPENT TWO YEARS AND GOT BUY-IN FROM ALL 32 CITIES AND GOVERNMENTS AND THE PLAN THEY CAME UP WITH OFFERED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE FOR TRANSIT, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE FOR LIGHT RAIL AND ROADS AND INCLUDED THE EXTENSION AND MORE NEW LIGHT RAIL LINES AND THAT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS HATED.

THE MAG PEOPLE SAID, O, OK, WE'LL HAVE MONEY TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM WE HAVE ALREADY AND STILL, NOPE, THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH EITHER.

YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE MAG PLAN WHICH IS DEAD BECAUSE THE LAWYER LEGISLATURE WON'T ALLOW IT AND THE GOVERNOR WON'T GO ALONG WITH IT.

CLEARLY SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE OR THE BALLOT.

IF YOU GO TO THE BALLOT AND YOU'RE MAG, YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN CALLING FOR MONEY FOR LIGHT RAIL AND THE VERY THING THAT THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T COMPROMISE, THEY VERY WELL MAY GET.

>> Ted: YOU MAY WELL GO FOR THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.

>> I THINK THEY WILL BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY SOMETHING HAPPENED.

WE CAN'T HAVE GROWTH IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN.

YOU CAN SAY WELL, IT'S ON THE 2024 BALLOT, BUT THE POLITICS OF NEXT YEAR, THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN AND IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BY JULY, THEY WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER GOING TO THE BALLOT.

>> THE OTHER COMPLICATING FACTOR WITH AN INITIATIVE, TOO, VOTERS APPROVED THIS NEW LAW THAT WOULD MEAN THAT VOTERS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT AT 60% OR MORE IN ORDER TO PASS IT BECAUSE IT'S A TAX AND SO THAT'S AN EXTRA HURDLE THAT THEY HAVE TO GET PASSED.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT WE WOULD HAVE THIS PLAN BY NOW BECAUSE THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN PROP 400 THAT PASSED LAST YEAR AND DOUG DUCEY VETOED IT.

>> Ted: THE BUSINESS, THIS IS BIG STUFF AS FAR AS BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS ARE CONCERNED.

>> MULTIBILLIONS OF DOLLARS COMING IN.

>> Ted: WHEN WILL THEY PUT FINGERS DOWN AND PRESSING THUMBS?

>> I THINK WE'RE THERE.

IT WOULD BE TO HANDLE IT IN THE LEGISLATURE IN HISTORY, THE START OF '84 AND RENEWED IN 2004.

SO NOW WE'RE ON THE NEXT TIME IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED AND A TIME CRUNCH.

THE WHOLE INITIATIVE WITH WHAT VOTERS THINK AND GOING AGAINST PAST PRECEDENT AND A LEGAL CONCERN ABOUT ALSO THE CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING AN INITIATIVE FOR A STATEWIDE ISSUE THAT'S A COUNTY ISSUE.

I HOPE THEY CAN FIGURE IT OUT AT THE LEGISLATURE I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE PEOPLE CAN COMPROMISE ON.

>> Ted: IS THIS A POSSIBLE SPECIAL SESSION DOWN THE ROAD AND THE NEXT TIME THEY SHOW UP AND COULD WE SEE A SPECIAL SESSION?

>> THERE'S NO PURPOSE TO A SPECIAL SESSION AS WELL AS THE RIGHT FAR SESSION AS WELL AS ADAMANTLY AGAINST LIGHT RAIL, IF THEY WON'T COMPROMISE AND WON'T MOVE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE?

>> Ted: WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IN A SECOND, BUT DO YOU THINK SOMETHING WILL GET DONE?

>> THAT'S A TOUGH PREDICTION.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BARGAINING CHIPS WILL BE BESIDES PRESENTERRING PEOPLE LIKE SENATE PRESIDENT WARREN PETERSON AND THE FREEDOM CAUCUS THIS IS A NECESSITY.

>> Ted: HE WAS QUOTED AS SAYING IF ONLY THE GOVERNOR WAS REASONABLE, THIS WOULD BE A DONE DEAL.

DIDN'T >> HE'S NOT A FREEDOM PARTNER AND IF LIGHT RAIL COMES TO THE CAPITOL AND MAKES A LOOP, IT WILL BASTARDIZE THE STREETS AND WHOA!

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT SENATOR STEVE KAISER AND WE'LL STICK WITH YOU AND WHY DOESN'T HE WANT TO BE IN THE SENATE ANYMORE?

>> A SENATOR WHO ANNOUNCED -- WELL, HE'S RESIGNED AS OF THIS WEEK, THE END OF THE WEEK ON FRIDAY.

AND HE SAYS THAT IT'S BECAUSE HE WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY, BASICALLY, AND PUTTING HEART AND SOUL AND THEN SOME INTO HIS TIME TIME AT THE CAPITOL AND WORKING PUBLIC POLICY AND NOT AS A LAWMAKER AND THE AND HIS BILL WAS STRESSFUL AND THE CHAMPION FOR HOUSING AND NOT JUST THIS YEAR AND THE PAST TWO YEARS AND THE BILLS HE'S BEEN WORKING ON, THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT.

>> Ted: HE PUT HIS HEART AND SOUL IN THOSE BILLS.

>> WHEN ANYBODY SUDDENLY UP AND THE RESIGNS ABRUPTLY AND SAYS IT'S TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY, WE ALL KNOW IT'S NOT TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY.

SENATOR KAISER IS ONE OF THE FEW, WHAT I WOULD CALL TRADITIONAL REPUBLICANS LEFT IN THE LEGISLATURE.

HE WORKED FOR TWO YEARS ON A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE AND COULDN'T EVEN GET A COMPROMISE.

WHEN HE WENT TO FINALLY WATER IT DOWN AND WORKED WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TOWNS AND OTHER REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO GET A BILL TO PASS AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE PASSED BUT FOR, AGAIN, THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND FAR RIGHT GROUP THAT CONTROL, I SUSPECT HE HAD IT.

IF YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE AND TRY TO ADVOCATE OUTSIDE OF THE LEGISLATURE FOR MORE REPUBLICANS WITH CENTER RIGHT POLICIES.

IN LOSING HIM, HE COMES FROM A SWING DISTRICT.

AND REPUBLICANS ONLY HAVE A ONE-VOTE MAJORITY IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE THE SENATE.

SO LOSING HIM COULD WELL CHANGE THE MAKEUP OF THE LEGISLATURE DUE TO WHAT SHIVERT SAID SHE'LL RUN.

>> Ted: WE HAVE A DEMOCRAT RUNNING.

>> SHE SAID SHE'LL READY TO TAKE HIS PLACE, ESSENTIALLY.

>> Ted: IS HE LOOKING FOR -- BECAUSE THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, I WANT TO GET MORE REPUBLICANS IN THERE, BUT NOT ALL KINDS OF REPUBLICANS.

>> WELL, RIGHT.

HE CLEARLY SAID HE WANTS CENTER-RIGHT POLICIES, BUT DON'T CALL HIM A MODERATE.

HE IS, OF COURSE, ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF THE LETTER TO MIKE PENCE TWO YEARS AGO THAT SAID HIM AND OTHERS FROM THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE WANT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION, ESSENTIALLY.

BUT YEAH, I THINK HE WANTS TO GET STUFF DONE AND THE FAR RIGHT, IF YOU CAN CALL HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAD TROUBLE.

>> Ted: WE'LL GET TO THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, I PROMISE.

SUCCESSORS, LIKELY SUCCESSORS.

>> BULLOCK SAYS SHE'S INTERESTED.

AND BEFORE HE GET TO THE NEXT ELECTION, THE PC'S AND THE DISTRICT HAVE TO MEET, PUT UP THREE NAMES AND WE'VE DONE THIS PROCESS QUITE A LOT AND THEY'LL PUT UP THREE REPUBLICANS, MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PICKED SOMEONE FOR THE REST OF HIS TERM, SO WHOEVER THAT IS, PRESUMABLY WILL BE RUNNING IN 2024 TO KEEP IT.

BULLOCK LOST LAST YEAR TO FI FINCHEM.

>> Ted: WHAT IS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS AND WHY ARE THEY SO INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING?

>> WELL, IT'S A SEMI SECRETIVE GROUP.

YOU JUST KNOW SOME IN IT AND IT'S THE NAMES AND HEADED BY JAKE HOFFMAN, THE FORMER FAKE ELECTOR AND I WON'T CALL HIM A TURNING POINT GUY AND HE WAS NOT A PART OF HIM AND VERY FAR RIGHT LEGISLATOR AND A GROUP WHO COMPROMISE AND I'M JUST GUESSING, MAYBE HALF OR A THIRD OF THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS AND SEEM TO RUN THINGS.

IN PART, BECAUSE MAYBE SENATE PRESIDENT PETERSEN IS WITH THEM AND IN PART BECAUSE HOUSE SPEAKER BEN TOMA, ALLOWS IT.

THEY COME UP WITH A RULE CALLED THE IDENTIFICATION MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY, WHICH MEANS NOTHING CAN COME TO THE FLOOR EVEN IF THE LEGISLATURE APPROVES IT.

UNLESS THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY APPROVES IT, IN OTHER WORDS THE ARIZONA FREEDOM CAUCUS, IT CANNOT GO TO THE FLOOR AND BLOCKED SENATOR KAISER'S BILL AND I BELIEVE THEY AND SOME OF THEIR ALLIES BLOCKED THE PROP 400 THING.

THEY HAVE OUTSIZED POWER FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY DO.

THEY ALSO CONTROL OR AT LEAST SENATOR HOFFMAN DOES, CONTROLS THE APPOINTMENTS OF THE GOVERNOR.

WE'VE HAD FIVE APPROVED OF, WHAT 20?

>> THREE OF TWO DOZEN.

>> Ted: SO, BASICALLY, OUTSIZED INFLUENCE AT THE LEGISLATURE?

>> VERY MUCH SO.

AND THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S A ONE-VOTE MAJORITY IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND REPUBLICANS CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY A LARGE BLOCK OF PEOPLE.

THE FREEDOM CAUCUS HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CULTURE WARD BILLS AND THEY HAVE PUT UP THE ANTIDRAG SHOW BILLS AND ANTI-CRITICAL RACE THEORY BILLS.

>> Ted: HOW INFLUENTIAL?

>> VERY INFLUENTIAL.

I DON'T KNOW THE FREEDOM CAUCUS IS THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND THE I THINK IT I THINK A COUPLE OF OTHERS WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING KAISER'S HOUSING BILLS.

IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AND IT'S A VERY VOCAL GROUP OF PEOPLE.

THE MAJORITY AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RUN THINGS.

THE MOST INTERESTING EXAMPLE IT FOR ME WAS THE SCHOOL DEAF AND BLIND.

THE SCHOOL OF THE DEAF AND BLIND WAS STOPPED BY THE FREEDOM CAUCUS EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE SENATE WANTED THAT BILL TO GO FORWARD AND SO IT WAS A MINORITY WHO KILLED IT AND IT DID COME TO THE FLOOR.

THAT WAS INTERESTING TO WATCH BECAUSE I THINK EVEN IN CAUCUS, SOME THE REPUBLICANS IS THIS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THEY WENT WITH IT.

IT'S A PRECEDENT OF LETTING A SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE RUN IT.

>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE MAJORITY OF THE CAUCUS, BUT THEY HAVE AN OUTSIZED INFLUENCE BECAUSE SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS TELL ME THEY'RE AFRAID TO GO AGAINST THEM AND YOU SEE SOME OF THEM SUDDENLY TAKING MORE CONSERVATIVE POSITIONS THAN THEY WOULD HAVE IN PREVIOUS YEARS BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF BEING PRIMARIED IN NEXT YEAR'S ELECTION.

>> Ted: THE DISTRICT COMMITTEES ARE EXPELLING ANYONE WHO DID ANYTHING.

>> THIS WEEK, I THINK IT WAS DISTRICT 23, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT THAT COMES FROM YUMA AND THREADS UP TO THE WEST VALLEY, THEY CENSURED 24 REPUBLICANS, INCLUDING THE 18 WHO VOTED FOR LIZ HARRIS' EXPULSION AND THEY ALL FOR MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISORS WERE NOT NAMING HER AS A REPLACEMENT.

ONE OF THE PEOPLE THREE ACTUALLY CENSURED WAS THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVE, MICHELLE PENA, WHO IS A REPUBLICAN, WHO REPRESENTS A HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT.

I BECAUSE OF HER THAT THEY HAVE A ONE-VOTE MAJORITY AND SO NOW THEY SAID SHE SHOULD NOT ONLY RESIGN AND SHOULD WITHDRAW AND IF SHE RUNS AGAIN, THEY WON'T SUPPORT HER.

OK, WELL, JUST HAND OVER CONTROL OF THE HOUSE TO THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE WE'RE MAD AT OUR OWN PERSON WHO GOT A REPUBLICAN WHO GOT ELECTED IN A DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT.

YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTING HER IF YOU'RE THEM.

>> Ted: RAY, CAN IT BE ARGUED THIS IS THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY?

WE'REIF THE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICT COMMITTEES, THE PRECINCT AND CHAIRWOMAN, ISN'T THIS A REPUBLICAN PARTY RIGHT NOW?

>> IT IS THE MORE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, I THINK.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT HOW RUSTY BOWERS, A FAR RIGHT PERSON 20 YEARS AGAIN IS A RINO TO THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, SOMETHING HAS CHANGED IN THE TRUMP ERA.

YEAH, THEY DO CARRY OUTSIDE INFLUENCES ESPECIALLY ELECTION TIME.

>> THAT'S THE POINT IS, IF YOU'RE IN POLITICS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU SOMEHOW COMPROMISE AND REACH OUT BEYOND YOUR SMALL GROUP AND GET WIDER SUPPORT AND LIKE THEY'RE TURNING OVER MOST OF THE STATEWIDE OFFICES, AND NOW THEY SEEM LIKE THEY'RE INTENT ON TURNING OVER CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE, TOO.

BITE OFF YOUR NOSE.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND EATING THEIR OWN.

>> THINKING OF IT AS A REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER NOT IN THE FREEDOM CAUCUS, DO I WANT TO OFFEND AND GO OFF ON TWITTER FOR JAKE HOFFMAN WHO RUNS THE GOVERNOR COMMITTEE.

WHAT IF I NEED TO PUT A BILL TO THE COMMITTEE AND MAYBE I WOULDN'T BE SO LOUD?

>> Ted: THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND LEADERSHIP AT THE LEGISLATURE.

>> NOT JUST ABOUT THE OPTICS TO, LIKE, YELL BACK, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET ANYTHING THROUGH BECAUSE WHAT DOES THAT ACHIEVE, A GRIDLOCK IN THE PARTY?

>> Ted: YEAH, YEAH.

YOU HAVE A DEFACTO LEADERSHIP THERE.

ONE LAST POINT ON THIS.

IF THIS PURIFICATION PROCESS IS GOING ON, HOW LONG BEFORE THE MODERATES, SEVEN CENTRISTS CATCH ON AND HOW LONG BEFORE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITIES AND VOTERS CATCH ONTO ALL OF THIS?

>> NEXT YEAR IS COMING UP AND THE THERE'S I THINK THE DANGER OF THAT.

THAT, BASICALLY, THEY COULD PUT UP VERY FAR RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE PRIMARIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE UN-PALITIBLE TO THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS AND ALLOW DEMOCRATS TO GET IN.

SO WHAT LAURIE IS TALKING ABOUT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR AND PREDICTING A DEMOCRATIC TAKEOVER IN ARIZONA IS NOT A GOOD BET.

>> Ted: DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND.

>> THERE'S FIVE SWING DISTRICTS AND I SEE PICKUP OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DEMOCRATS AND THEY WERE TO INCOMPETENT TO RUN ENOUGH CANDIDATES TO SNAG THEM ALL AND I THINK IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

YOU HAVE TO GET ONE TO TIE UP A CHAMBER.

>> IT'S SO TRUE AND COMMENTS ABOUT PENA FROM YUMA, IT WAS A FLUKE AND IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED, THEN THE HOUSE WOULD BE TIED UP.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS GOING ON.

WE HAD A CENSURE AT THE LEGISLATURE WITHOUT THE USUAL AMOUNT OF VOTES AND YOU TELL ME.

>> SO THIS IS THE NEXT CHAPTER OF BIBLE GATE.

[ Laughter ] >> STUPID PUN.

[ Laughter ] >> SO SHE HID THE BIBLES IN THE MEMBER'S LOUNGE AND GOT CAUGHT AND AWKWARD AND THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE AND THEY SAID SHE ENGAGED IN DISORDERLY BEHAVIOR AND THIS WEEK, THERE WAS A MOTION TO EXPEL, WHICH FAILED.

IT WAS 27-31 AND A MOTION TO CENSURE WHICH PASSED AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE 60 MEMBERS AND THE MAJORITY IS 31 AND TWO PEOPLE WEREN'T THERE AND I THINK IT WAS HERNANDEZ OR TRAVEV WHO WEREN'TRS WHOWEREN'T THERE AND COOK VOTED AGAINST THE CENSURE MOTION.

>> Ted: YES, AND AGAIN, SHE BASICALLY HID THEM BECAUSE AS KIND OF A PROTEST AND CALLED IT A PLAYFUL PROTEST AND APOLOGIZED LATER.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE MOVE TO EXPEL?

>> WELL, WHAT SHE DID WAS DISRESPECTFUL AND FRANKLY, DUMB.

IF IT'S A PROTEST, NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT.

HOW MUCH OF A PROTEST IS IT?

I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GOING QUITE FAR TO TRY TO EXPEL HER AND ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES.

EVEN FOUR REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST EXPULSION.

THIS WAS PAYBACK FOR EXPELLING LIZ HARRIS AND I SUSPECT THEY FELT THE NEED TO TRY BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE COMMITTEE PEOPLE, THE GRASS ROOT'S WORKERS ARE BUSY CENSURING EVERYONE ON THE HARRIS THING AND THEY WANTED TO LOOK TOUGH AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS, TOO.

BUT EXPULSION IS A BIT FAR FOR A DISRESPECTFUL PRANK, FOR WHICH THEY APOLOGIZED.

>> Ted: WHAT BAY PAYBACK IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED?

>> I DON'T KNOW REPUBLICANS COULD BE EXPECTED TO DO ANYTHING LESS?

HAMILTON FILED THE COMPLAINT AGAINST HARRIS AND SOME MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND SHE'S UNDER SCRUTINY.

ALSO INTERESTING IS THAT THE ETHIC'S COMMITTEE HAS FIVE MEMBERS, AND YET IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION SHE BROKE THE RULES AND COMMITTED THIS BEHAVIOR AND THAT GAVE REPUBLICANS LICENSE TO DEFINITELY DO SOMETHING.

>> Ted: MAKE IT PUBLIC.

CAMRYN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE AND I CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHEN THEY'RE THERE AND NOT THERE.

WHEN ARE THEY COMING BACK AND HOW MUCH ARE THEY GETTING PAID FOR DOING NOTHING?

>> MUCH TO MY CHAGRIN, THE 31st OF JULY.

MOST OF COMING BACK TO WORK, BUT NOT EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE TWIDDLING THEIR THUMBS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHY ARE WE DOING THIS FEELING, I THINK, APART FROM PROP 400, WHICH WE'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS DONE AND THE THE HOUSING THING ISN'T HAPPENING.

>> Ted: IS THERE ANY AGENDA TO LOOK AT OR PERUSE?

>> NOT YET.

>> Ted: FOR THE 31st?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE COLLECTING PAYMENTS.

I WROTE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I DID A REQUEST AND HAD THESE RECORDS FOR SUBSISTENCE PAY AND WE'RE TALKING A FAIR CHUNK OF CHANGE A WEEK AND IF YOU'RE IN MARICOPA COUNTY, YOU'RE MAKING $10 A DAY AND COME ON, HE SAID, I'M NOT KEEPING SUCK SERIOUS SUCCESSION FOR $10 A DAY.

>> BUT WENDY ROGERS IS GETTING $10 A DAY AND COULD GET ANOTHER HOUSE.

>> Ted: AND NOT GETTING A LOT CUN.

DONE.

>> THE REASON THEY'RE RECESSING INSTEAD OF ADJOURNING, THEY WANT TO PRESERVE THE ABILITY TO COUNTER KATIE HOBBS IF SHE DOES SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT NOMINATIONS?

>> THE NOMINATIONS ARE TED IF THEY DON'T CONFIRM -- THEY CAN SERVE FOR A YEAR BUT IF SHE COMES UP WITH SOMETHING THEY DON'T LIKE, THEY WANT TO PRESERVE TO COME IN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CALL THEMSELVES IN IF THEY ADJOURN FOR THE YEAR.

IF THEY RECESS, IT'S THE CALL OF THE GAVEL.

>> WHAT ELSE COULD THEY DO?

>> WHO KNOWS?

>> NOTHING.

>> PETERSEN SAYS THERE'S POLICY ISSUES THAT COULD BE DECIDED AND MAYBE -- THEY DIDN'T GIVE AN EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK WE CAN ASSUME THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT PROP 400 AND THEN THERE ARE A FEW OTHER THINGS AND COME BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> Ted: HAVE YOU HEARD THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T SPEND TIME LIKE YOU DO, BUT I HEAR THIS, THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A SIGN E DI.

>> OCTOBER WAS RUMORED AND BEN TOMA DOES NOT WANT TO GO PASSED JULY 31st AND THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED THAT YET EITHER AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THE FACE TO BE THE DESIRE TO GO TO THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT THIS YEAR, WHO KNOWS.

IT'S UNUSUAL.

>> Ted: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING?

>> I HEARD AUGUST MOST RECENTLY AND I'M TRYING TO THINK WHEN THE NEW LAWS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT.

>> RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE HALLOWEEN.

>> IT'S 90 DAYS AND IF IT'S IN AUGUST, THEN THREE MONTHS.

>> I FEEL BAD FORWARD STAFF BECAUSE STAFF HAS TO WORK ON THE BILLS AND PREPPING FOR THE NEXT SESSION AND I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED.

>> Ted: THAT SEEMS TO BE THE THEME OF TONIGHT'S ROUNDTABLE.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M TED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

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